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#1 OverSword

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:21 PM

EYE ON THE GULF
Saddam's bodyguard flees
with 'smoking gun'
Details underground chemical, biological weapons, Scud assembly

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Posted: February 3, 2003
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:38 PM

Anecdotal evidence from a disgruntled former employee just isn't going to do it for me.

If the information was any good, they'd send the inspectors to the site, instead of talking about it in the press.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:40 PM

Excellent article Sword. Comes from a reputable news source. You can bet the US and UN will confirm this to be for real.

Colin Powell will show more positive proof Wednesday but I don't care how much he shows, the Democrats and other Anti-Americans will say it's not enough proof... i.e. O.J. Simpson trial.....

Democrats are scared to death that the war will be a success.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:48 PM

Good job Sword.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:51 PM

Yeah it wont take much, what a few chemical sniffer machines and an IQ above 90 to bust that jerks ***.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:58 PM

I already posted it the source of this article is Israel and thus zero credibility


http://engforum.prav...p3?threadid=871

Saddam's bodyguard warns of secret arsenal

02feb03

SADDAM Hussein's senior bodyguard has fled with details of Iraq's secret arsenal.

His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush's claim there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war.
Abu Hamdi Mahmoud has provided Israeli intelligence with a list of sites that the inspectors have not visited.

They include:

AN underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad;

A SCUD assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea;

TWO underground bunkers in Iraq's Western Desert. These contain biological weapons.

William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam's arsenal, said Mahmoud's information is "the smoking gun".

"Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam," Tierney said.

Tierney, who has high-level contacts in Washington that go to the White House, said the information we publish today on Mahmoud's revelations "checks out, absolutely checks out".

Mahmoud was a mem ber of the elite unit that protects Saddam.

It is called the Murasiq Qun
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:59 PM

What is surprising is this guy going to Israel and not like Iran or Turkey of all places.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:02 PM

WELL CHORNY IF THEY FOLLOW HIS LEADS AND HE IS CORRECT THEN HE HAS CREDIBILITY.

IF NOT THEN HE DOESN'T. THE PROOF IS IN THE TASTING, NOT IN YOUR COMMENTS.

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:14 PM

A smoking gun and Powell's blind eye
By B Raman

As part of the countdown to the expected invasion of Iraq, General Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, is expected to present before the UN Security Council on February 5 the evidence which the US claims to have on Iraq's clandestine procurement of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), its links with Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network, and the dangers of these terrorist elements getting WMD from the Saddam Hussein regime.

In his statement, one can expect references to the alleged involvement of NEC Engineering, a New Delhi-based company, in the clandestine supply to Iraq of dual-purpose materials that could be used for the production of chemical weapons and rocket fuel. This matter has been under investigation by the intelligence and investigative agencies of the government of India for over a year now, but some details were first leaked by the British government in its White Paper of last September on Iraq's clandestine WMD program. Subsequently, as Anglo-American pressure on the UN to act against Baghdad was stepped up, sections of the US media, some acting on their own and some apparently at the prodding of the administration, have turned the focus on the alleged use of this company by the Iraqi regime.

Officials of the company, as well as the Iraqi government, have strongly denied these allegations. Despite this, these transactions continue to be projected as part of the evidence against Saddam Hussein. On January 26, a day before the presentation by chief UN arms inspector Hans Blix of the inspectors' report before the Security Council, some sections of the Indian media and CNN came out with details of the investigation made by Indian agencies against the company. CNN's special feature on the subject sought to project the results of the investigation as one of the "smoking guns" which needed to be considered by Blix.

In his indictment of the Saddam government on the question of complicity with al-Qaeda and the International Islamic Front (IIF), Powell is expected to focus on the activities from Iraqi soil of an allegedly pro-Baghdad Kurdish organization called Ansar al Islam (AAI) led by Najm al-Din Faraj Ahmad, also known as Mullah Krekar, who lives in Oslo, Norway. For over a year now, the AAI has been projected by Pentagon officials and pro-US Kurdish leaders such as those of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan as a Kurdish Taliban, a member of the IIF, and the West Asian equivalent of the Jemmah Islamiya of Southeast Asia. Western, particularly US, media have been replete with stories of the AAI's links with Saddam on the one hand and bin Laden on the other, the alleged training of its cadres in al-Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan before September 11, its alleged links with some experts of al-Qaeda on chemical warfare, a laboratory for the production of chemical weapons allegedly run by it in the area under its control in northern Iraq, its alleged links with the Algerians recently arrested in the UK on suspicion of trying to produce ricin, a lethal chemical extracted from castor beans, etc.

It would seem that most of this so-called evidence has been coming from the pro-US Kurdish leaders. Even some US analysts have said that while Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon as a whole have been projecting this evidence as clinching, the CIA's counter-terrorism experts are not that convinced, but have been going along with the administration.

Until last spring, even the US State Department's counter terrorism division did not seem to have believed seriously the Pentagon's allegations of Saddam's links with al-Qaeda. In its annual report for 2001 on the Patterns of Global Terrorism presented to Congress in April last, it referred to the sanctuaries in Iraqi territory allegedly enjoyed by the anti-Tehran Mujahideen-e-Khaq, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Palestine Liberation Front, and the Abu Nidal Organization, as well as Baghdad's contacts with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. But there was not even an allegation that any of these organizations had links with al-Qaeda. The only reference to bin Laden was in a comment that Iraq was the only Arab country which did not condemn the September 11 attacks and that an article in a newspaper run by one of Saddam's sons expressed sympathy for bin Laden.

As Eli J Lake, United Press International's State Department correspondent, pointed out in a dispatch dated January 28, the Pentagon accuses the AAI of links with al-Qaeda, but has not so far considered it necessary to seek the extradition and interrogation of its leader, who lives openly in Oslo. The dispatch said, "Najm al-Din Faraj Ahmad, also known as Mullah Krekar, is - according to officials of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in northern Iraq and administration hawks - a terrorist with ties to al-Qaeda; a man who has acquired chemical weapons; and who has received funding from Iraq and logistical support from elements in the Iranian intelligence service. Krekar himself denied these allegations this month at a news conference in Norway. But while hawks - especially in the Pentagon - believe Krekar is a 'smoking gun' linking Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the CIA is skeptical about his alleged ties to Baghdad. One US official sympathetic to that view told United Press International Tuesday, 'There is no evidence that Saddam and his regime are directly financing and arming Ansar al Islam'."

If you believe the hawks, Krekar meets the criteria of what Bush described in his State of the Union address last week as the gravest threat posed by rogue regimes. "These regimes could use such weapons for blackmail, terror and mass murder. They could also give or sell those weapons to their terrorist allies, who would use them without the least hesitation," he said. And yet, the State Department does not appear disturbed that Krekar - under house arrest in Norway - is able to hold news conferences and communicate with members of his group in northern Iraq.

In an interview with Al Hayat, an Arab language daily published from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, Mullah Krekar alleged that in 2000 he had rejected a request from the CIA to collaborate with it against Saddam and that since then it had launched a campaign projecting him and his organization as having links with al-Qaeda.

Powell announced on January 30 the designation of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ) of Pakistan as a foreign terrorist organization under a 1996 US law. This organization came into existence in 1996 as the militant wing of the Sunni extremist Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), which itself has been active since the days of the late Pakistani military ruler, Zia ul-Haq in the 1980s. The SSP and its LEJ were being used by the CIA, the Iraqi intelligence and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) for operations directed against the Iranian regime. They killed a large number of Shi'ites, Iranian diplomats and military officers in Pakistan during the 1990s. They assisted the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, became a member of bin Laden's IIF after its formation in 1998 and were used by bin Laden for carrying out a massacre of the Shi'ites (Hazaras) of Afghanistan. The SSP's leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, who is now a member of Pakistan's newly-elected National Assembly, is considered by many as the mentor of many of the Pakistan-based pan-Islamic jihadi organizations.

So long as the SSP and the LEJ served US interests by creating trouble for Iran, Washington closed its eyes to their acts of terrorism, but after they started attacking US and other Western nationals and Pakistani Christians from the beginning of last year, the US suddenly woke up to its being a terrorist organization. After a wave of attacks on Shi'ites in Karachi in 2001, President General Pervez Musharraf himself banned the LEJ on August 14, 2001, and the SSP on January 15, 2002, but did not round up their leaders and cadres trained by al-Qaeda. However, since June 2002, under US pressure, he has been acting more strictly against them and has tried to neutralize them.

It will be interesting to see whether Powell will refer to the well-established links of the LEJ with the Saddam regime, and with the ISI on the one hand and with al-Qaeda on the other. If he does, how will he explain the pre-August 2001 use of the LEJ by the ISI for achieving Pakistan's strategic objectives in Afghanistan and India and the US's failure to act as vigorously against the Musharraf regime as it has been trying to act against the Saddam regime? How can he argue that it was all right for Pakistani military regimes to have created them and used them as long as they did not attack US nationals and interests, but it was an international crime for Iraq to have used them to serve its own interests?
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:15 PM

A smoking gun and Powell's blind eye
By B Raman

As part of the countdown to the expected invasion of Iraq, General Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, is expected to present before the UN Security Council on February 5 the evidence which the US claims to have on Iraq's clandestine procurement of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), its links with Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network, and the dangers of these terrorist elements getting WMD from the Saddam Hussein regime.

In his statement, one can expect references to the alleged involvement of NEC Engineering, a New Delhi-based company, in the clandestine supply to Iraq of dual-purpose materials that could be used for the production of chemical weapons and rocket fuel. This matter has been under investigation by the intelligence and investigative agencies of the government of India for over a year now, but some details were first leaked by the British government in its White Paper of last September on Iraq's clandestine WMD program. Subsequently, as Anglo-American pressure on the UN to act against Baghdad was stepped up, sections of the US media, some acting on their own and some apparently at the prodding of the administration, have turned the focus on the alleged use of this company by the Iraqi regime.

Officials of the company, as well as the Iraqi government, have strongly denied these allegations. Despite this, these transactions continue to be projected as part of the evidence against Saddam Hussein. On January 26, a day before the presentation by chief UN arms inspector Hans Blix of the inspectors' report before the Security Council, some sections of the Indian media and CNN came out with details of the investigation made by Indian agencies against the company. CNN's special feature on the subject sought to project the results of the investigation as one of the "smoking guns" which needed to be considered by Blix.

In his indictment of the Saddam government on the question of complicity with al-Qaeda and the International Islamic Front (IIF), Powell is expected to focus on the activities from Iraqi soil of an allegedly pro-Baghdad Kurdish organization called Ansar al Islam (AAI) led by Najm al-Din Faraj Ahmad, also known as Mullah Krekar, who lives in Oslo, Norway. For over a year now, the AAI has been projected by Pentagon officials and pro-US Kurdish leaders such as those of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan as a Kurdish Taliban, a member of the IIF, and the West Asian equivalent of the Jemmah Islamiya of Southeast Asia. Western, particularly US, media have been replete with stories of the AAI's links with Saddam on the one hand and bin Laden on the other, the alleged training of its cadres in al-Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan before September 11, its alleged links with some experts of al-Qaeda on chemical warfare, a laboratory for the production of chemical weapons allegedly run by it in the area under its control in northern Iraq, its alleged links with the Algerians recently arrested in the UK on suspicion of trying to produce ricin, a lethal chemical extracted from castor beans, etc.

It would seem that most of this so-called evidence has been coming from the pro-US Kurdish leaders. Even some US analysts have said that while Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon as a whole have been projecting this evidence as clinching, the CIA's counter-terrorism experts are not that convinced, but have been going along with the administration.

Until last spring, even the US State Department's counter terrorism division did not seem to have believed seriously the Pentagon's allegations of Saddam's links with al-Qaeda. In its annual report for 2001 on the Patterns of Global Terrorism presented to Congress in April last, it referred to the sanctuaries in Iraqi territory allegedly enjoyed by the anti-Tehran Mujahideen-e-Khaq, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Palestine Liberation Front, and the Abu Nidal Organization, as well as Baghdad's contacts with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. But there was not even an allegation that any of these organizations had links with al-Qaeda. The only reference to bin Laden was in a comment that Iraq was the only Arab country which did not condemn the September 11 attacks and that an article in a newspaper run by one of Saddam's sons expressed sympathy for bin Laden.

As Eli J Lake, United Press International's State Department correspondent, pointed out in a dispatch dated January 28, the Pentagon accuses the AAI of links with al-Qaeda, but has not so far considered it necessary to seek the extradition and interrogation of its leader, who lives openly in Oslo. The dispatch said, "Najm al-Din Faraj Ahmad, also known as Mullah Krekar, is - according to officials of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in northern Iraq and administration hawks - a terrorist with ties to al-Qaeda; a man who has acquired chemical weapons; and who has received funding from Iraq and logistical support from elements in the Iranian intelligence service. Krekar himself denied these allegations this month at a news conference in Norway. But while hawks - especially in the Pentagon - believe Krekar is a 'smoking gun' linking Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the CIA is skeptical about his alleged ties to Baghdad. One US official sympathetic to that view told United Press International Tuesday, 'There is no evidence that Saddam and his regime are directly financing and arming Ansar al Islam'."

If you believe the hawks, Krekar meets the criteria of what Bush described in his State of the Union address last week as the gravest threat posed by rogue regimes. "These regimes could use such weapons for blackmail, terror and mass murder. They could also give or sell those weapons to their terrorist allies, who would use them without the least hesitation," he said. And yet, the State Department does not appear disturbed that Krekar - under house arrest in Norway - is able to hold news conferences and communicate with members of his group in northern Iraq.

In an interview with Al Hayat, an Arab language daily published from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, Mullah Krekar alleged that in 2000 he had rejected a request from the CIA to collaborate with it against Saddam and that since then it had launched a campaign projecting him and his organization as having links with al-Qaeda.

Powell announced on January 30 the designation of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ) of Pakistan as a foreign terrorist organization under a 1996 US law. This organization came into existence in 1996 as the militant wing of the Sunni extremist Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), which itself has been active since the days of the late Pakistani military ruler, Zia ul-Haq in the 1980s. The SSP and its LEJ were being used by the CIA, the Iraqi intelligence and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) for operations directed against the Iranian regime. They killed a large number of Shi'ites, Iranian diplomats and military officers in Pakistan during the 1990s. They assisted the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, became a member of bin Laden's IIF after its formation in 1998 and were used by bin Laden for carrying out a massacre of the Shi'ites (Hazaras) of Afghanistan. The SSP's leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, who is now a member of Pakistan's newly-elected National Assembly, is considered by many as the mentor of many of the Pakistan-based pan-Islamic jihadi organizations.

So long as the SSP and the LEJ served US interests by creating trouble for Iran, Washington closed its eyes to their acts of terrorism, but after they started attacking US and other Western nationals and Pakistani Christians from the beginning of last year, the US suddenly woke up to its being a terrorist organization. After a wave of attacks on Shi'ites in Karachi in 2001, President General Pervez Musharraf himself banned the LEJ on August 14, 2001, and the SSP on January 15, 2002, but did not round up their leaders and cadres trained by al-Qaeda. However, since June 2002, under US pressure, he has been acting more strictly against them and has tried to neutralize them.

It will be interesting to see whether Powell will refer to the well-established links of the LEJ with the Saddam regime, and with the ISI on the one hand and with al-Qaeda on the other. If he does, how will he explain the pre-August 2001 use of the LEJ by the ISI for achieving Pakistan's strategic objectives in Afghanistan and India and the US's failure to act as vigorously against the Musharraf regime as it has been trying to act against the Saddam regime? How can he argue that it was all right for Pakistani military regimes to have created them and used them as long as they did not attack US nationals and interests, but it was an international crime for Iraq to have used them to serve its own interests?
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:00 PM

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - A British lawmaker on Monday handed chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix what she believes is evidence of two sites where Iraq has hidden material used to make weapons of mass destruction.
Baroness Emma Nicholson, a member of Britain's House of Lords and the European Parliament, said she also gave Blix a form showing that Iraq as recently as last month was trying to order materials that could be used for banned weapons.

"This information has come from inside Iraq in the last few days and has not been given to anybody else before," she told reporters after a private meeting with Blix and eight other members of the European Parliament.

Ewen Buchanan, Blix's spokesman, said: "We did receive some information from her, and it will be evaluated. It was received in confidence and will not be disclosed."

Iraq's U.N. Ambassador Mohammed Al-Douri, when told of the possible evidence, said: "Certainly he (Blix) will instruct his people in Iraq to see whatever they might find in these sites. We have to wait a little bit."

Nicholson is a member of the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs committee, its investigator on Iraq, and a longtime advocate for human rights in Iraq.

She established a humanitarian aid foundation in 1991 - which now has a staff of 270, nearly all Iraqis - to help southern Iraq peoples forced to leave marshlands near the Iranian border in what she contends is a "genocide" committed by Saddam Hussein.

"The evidence I gave to Dr. Blix identified at least two places where weapons of mass destruction materials are stored as my informant told me, places that have not been identified before, and other associated material," Nicholson said.

She also said she gave Blix an order form, which she believes is valid, showing the Iraqi government was ordering "a form of tubing" from "the Far East" that could be used to make weapons of mass destruction.

Nicholson refused to give any further details. She said she gave the information only to Blix, who assured her he would protect her informants.

"I put one name in my documentation only, but I have others in reserve," she said. "And now that I have the confidence that (Blix) can protect these people - because they are at grave risk by giving in this information - I will be able to give him more information immediately."
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:41 PM

Thanks for your comments, I don't know the validity of this report but remain biased when it comes to Iraq, as I don't see that evidence is needed since they are in violation of the cease fire agreement that stopped the gulf war. For some this is not enough, and I can see why, but remain unsympathetic.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:45 PM

If Iraq is violating UN resolutions then Israel has broken many more and should be held accountable .The way I see it is the UN is done ,a worthless US run puppet organization that only sanctions who the US tells it to.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:55 PM

I said not one thing about UN resolutions.

I was listening to a conservative radio show this weekend when an expert on the mid-east examined, one by one the UN sanctions against isreal and then explained why, through technicalities, that they did not hold water and were unenforcable, this is why you don't hear politicians bitching about this, only malcontents on internet forums.
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Posted 19 April 2004 - 04:48 PM

do you remember the shit you used to want to believe?

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Posted 19 April 2004 - 05:04 PM

Originally posted by pilot
Excellent article Sword. Comes from a reputable news source. You can bet the US and UN will confirm this to be for real.

Colin Powell will show more positive proof Wednesday but I don't care how much he shows, the Democrats and other Anti-Americans will say it's not enough proof... i.e. O.J. Simpson trial.....

Democrats are scared to death that the war will be a success.




so, now that a year has passed, and no WMD found, what do you all have to say now????? LOL

or, would you prefer another 10 years so that every inch of Iraq can be dug up looking for those elusive WMD????:D :D :D
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Posted 19 April 2004 - 05:55 PM

Originally posted by mga
so, now that a year has passed, and no WMD found, what do you all have to say now????? LOL

or, would you prefer another 10 years so that every inch of Iraq can be dug up looking for those elusive WMD????:D :D :D



Any excuse will do. The people that support war and support Bush have no need for facts, none.

Its clear now that what the war was about is just what we said it was about before the war. America is sitting on 1/4 the worlds OIL and Isreal is doing anything they want and acquiring more land.

The Arabs and Moslems now know that what ben laden said was fact.
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Posted 19 April 2004 - 06:13 PM

Human is the biggest JewHater on pravda. He is a disgrace to humanity.
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Posted 19 April 2004 - 06:32 PM

this nonsense was posted February 3rd. It is now April 19th.



and
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Posted 19 April 2004 - 06:32 PM

Not just February 3rd,
February 3rd of last year!
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