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#1 pilot

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:16 PM

The USA has no need or desire to control the oil in Iraq, because
controlling the oil is far more difficult and expensive to do than simply
buying it, as needed. There is plenty of oil available for sale in the
world, now and in the future. There is no upcoming shortage of oil such
that any country somehow needs to seize a big supply for itself. The USA
is a Capitalistic country, and it believes that free-market supply and
demand is the best way to assure the supply of anything. Why would the USA
want to go to all the trouble and danger of invading and governing Iraq
simply to obtain something that is readily available elsewhere, with no
trouble? It would cost far more money to invade and control Irag to get
the oil than simply to buy oil as needed in a free and open market. So it
makes no sense at all to claim that the USA intends to invade Iraq to get
the oil.
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#2 puzzledude

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:37 PM

lol pilot,
are u serious?
do u realy believe oil is not a factor here?
granted its not the only factor,
but 95% of the world including the pro war camp all know oil is a factor.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:40 PM

99.9 % of the articles available discount your thesis ,so guess who is wrong?
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#4 JezMan

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:43 PM

Don't you, people in heartland , believe in OIL???

LOL
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:51 PM

"There is plenty of oil available for sale in the
world, now and in the future"

**************************

Can you say "Hubble Peak", Mr Oil Geologist....?

No, thought not
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#6 Gandu

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:00 PM

What we need to do is grease the pockets of some rich farts.
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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:04 PM

There is more to "oil" than the "oil". There is big money getting it to the surface to make it usable. Big money for companies like Schlumberger, Halliburton, to name a couple.

Big money in oil rigs. America generally has the upperhand in these markets. However, in Iraq, Russia is starting to get a bigger slice of the pie. That may be the reason for the big rush to war.
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#8 uglybastard

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:05 PM

The US gets 10-15% of its oil from the mid east.

The US is a huge oil producer in its own right.

We get most of our imports from Canada and Mexico. That's right, a huge amount of US oil comes from our immediate neighbors.

We get a bunch from smaller countries too, like Venezuela, Columbia, and Zaire.

My guess is that US importers don't want to repeat the OPEC thing back in the 70's.

Europe and Japan get most of their oil from the Mid East.

I suppose, though, that if prices go up in Europe and Japan, they'll eventually go up in the US.
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#9 pilot

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:15 PM

Gandu

<<<What we need to do is grease the pockets of some rich farts>>>

oil consumers (me and you)need steady supplies of oil, and oil producers rely on steady demand. If demand changed suddenly it would have a major impact on the profitability of oil producers and the economies of many countries around the world.

Oil production is a long-term affair: the oil industry works 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, excluding maintenance or bad weather and other disruptions. Oil facilities require many millions of dollars of investment, and the investors try to earn a reasonable return on their capital.

A downturn in oil demand could force oil production to slow down or stop. This could physically damage the oil fields, reducing the amount of oil that can be recovered in future. The oil installations could also be damaged. Some facilities, such as those operating in the oceans, are very difficult and expensive to shut down.

When production slows down, oil producers might be forced to lay off staff. Downstream operators, such as gasoline retailers, refiners and transport companies, could also be forced to shed staff.

If oil producers receive lower incomes they must spend less money and import fewer goods from oil consumers. If investors are unsure about the risks and the likely returns from petroleum investments they may not make those investments. If we do not invest enough money, or do it far enough in advance, then the world could face a shortage of oil supplies and a downward spiral in the global economy.
However, if oil producers continue to receive reasonable prices and stable demand, they will maintain their production and invest far enough in advance to meet the growth of demand.

Thus the security of oil supplies relies upon the security of oil demand. Oil producers - and oil consumers - need to work together to ensure that the security of oil supply and demand are preserved.

Gandu, here's another point to ponder: The last thing in the world that the West Texas and off shores oil producers want is to have the opec sell oil at a cheap price.

You can learn about this if you go to OPEC's web pages. You'll find it interesting.

I also know Anti-Americans want to spin this in a certain way. That's your choice.
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#10 puzzledude

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 10:21 PM

http://www.guardian....,869867,00.html
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 02:40 AM

MOSCOW. Feb 3 (Interfax) - An estimated 37% of Russians polled by the Agency for Regional Political Research believe the U.S. and its allies want to attack Iraq so Washington can gain control over the region's oil resources.

The poll totaling 1,600 respondents was conducted in January.
Over one-fourth of respondents believe the U.S. is planning to attack Iraq because it wants to rule the world. Seventeen percent of Russians surveyed believe the reason is that Iraq supports international terrorism.

Only 7% of respondents see the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's regime as a possible reason for launching military actions. Two percent gave other reasons and 8% were undecided.

The poll shows that the majority of Russians (58%) oppose the use of military force to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Twenty percent favor the idea, and 17% are undecided.


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#12 LifeisGood

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 05:00 AM

Never say Never.:)
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#13 Mae

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:37 AM

Originally posted by pilot
The USA has no need or desire to control the oil in Iraq, because
controlling the oil is far more difficult and expensive to do than simply
buying it, as needed. There is plenty of oil available for sale in the
world, now and in the future. There is no upcoming shortage of oil such
that any country somehow needs to seize a big supply for itself. The USA
is a Capitalistic country, and it believes that free-market supply and
demand is the best way to assure the supply of anything. Why would the USA
want to go to all the trouble and danger of invading and governing Iraq
simply to obtain something that is readily available elsewhere, with no
trouble? It would cost far more money to invade and control Irag to get
the oil than simply to buy oil as needed in a free and open market. So it
makes no sense at all to claim that the USA intends to invade Iraq to get
the oil.




Hahahaha!
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#14 puzzledude

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:46 AM

So then lets call Iraq a "stepping stone" to cornering the oil market.
Regarding the worlds oil supply,
whatever percentage of contol the U.S. gains by stealing Iraqi oil,
doesnt change the fact that they are stealing Iraqi oil.
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#15 Tokyoman

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:47 PM

Of course it`s not about oil. The US military is in the Middle East because of the strategic importance of sand.
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#16 pilot

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 09:36 PM

Tokyoman


You may call yourself Tokyoman, but you can't be Japanese.

Japanese are intelligent people.
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#17 puzzledude

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Posted 05 February 2003 - 05:35 PM

so Pilot, you're calling Tokyoman unintelligent for not buying your opinion.
from reading through these posts,

those who think "its not about oil"

pilot
Diogenes.


& those who think "it is"..

me
JezMan
stakhanov's cat
EJToner
Khalida
CaptainAmerica
azov
Mae
Tokyoman.

but maybe we're all just not intelligent enough to understand, ehehehe
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#18 puzzledude

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Posted 05 February 2003 - 05:38 PM

by the way is this the first time the above group have ever all agreed on anything? :-)
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#19 pilot

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Posted 05 February 2003 - 05:52 PM

diogenes

<<<It's all about controlling the oil market.>>>

Wow! thats a relief to find out about that and makes me one happy dude not to be concerned about any WMD.

I didn't know that we were stealing his oil either.

Oh well, live and learn
;)
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#20 grob

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 10:33 AM

Wise words from a retard.. :rolleyes:

ITS ABOUT OIL!
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