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#1 OverSword

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 04:39 PM

Monday, 3 February, 2003, 19:06 GMT
Evidence against Iraq 'unmistakable'


US troops in Kuwait are being joined by UK forces

Tony Blair has told MPs "we are entering the final phase of a 12-year history of the disarmament of Iraq".
The UK prime minister said that a second UN resolution should be passed unless Iraq cooperates fully with the weapons inspectors.

"I continue to believe the UN is the right way to proceed," he said.

He and US President George Bush had agreed on this "provided, as ever, that seeking such a resolution is a way of resolving the issue not delaying or avoiding dealing with it at all".


But the prime minister warned that there was no way the US and Britain would back down over Iraq disarming.

"Show weakness now and no one will ever believe us when we try to show strength in the future," he said.

Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith told MPs: "If the international community backs away from dealing with Saddam Hussein now, this will be seen as a green light for every rogue state and terrorist group around the world."

Saddam confident

But the prime minister knows that he has a battle on his hands not just to convince the British public of his case for war but in order to win over many of his own backbenchers.

Within hours of Mr Blair's statement a group of actors from the National Theatre including Ralph Fiennes and Corin Redgrave mounted a demonstration against war with Iraq on the south bank of the River Thames.

In the Commons there was particular concern at the thought of military action without a fresh UN resolution.


Tony Blair insists George Bush is willing to go through the UN
Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy warned that government still had to make a "credible case" for war.

A US dossier claiming to expose Iraq's deliberate weapons concealment has bolstered Mr Blair's suggestion that he can win over sceptics.

And Downing Street has published its own report detailing ways, the government claims, that Iraq has been deliberately obstructing the weapons inspectors.

Among its main points are:


The Iraqi regime is trying to hide documents and materials in places where they are unlikely to be found, such as private homes of low-level officials, universities, hospitals and even mosques.

Iraqi intelligence officials outnumber the inspectors by 200:1 and spy on them around the clock.

They also bug the rooms where the inspectors interview Iraqi scientists. The interviewees realise this and therefore do not give away any information for fear of reprisals.

Spies posing as guards, drivers and escorts tip off the authorities about where the inspectors are heading to, so reducing the element of surprise in the inspections.

If the inspectors do change course, a special team organises a car crash to delay them.
However, Saddam Hussein is said to be optimistic about avoiding war, according to former Labour cabinet minister Tony Benn who travelled to Iraq to interview the president.

Meanwhile, front-line British soldiers have started to arrive in Kuwait bringing their number to more than 1,000 with the build-up continuing later this week.

United Nations?

Following the talks with Mr Blair, the US president warned that he would not tolerate delay on acting against Iraq.

The UK prime minister's strategy has been to maintain that the US president is willing to work through the UN.

But support for action is by no means guaranteed.

Among the European nations concern has been voiced about military action against Iraq most notably by France and Germany.

Mr Blair has briefed French President Jacques Chirac on his talks with Mr Bush, in advance of Tuesday's Anglo-French summit in Le Touquet.

Clock ticking

France's support is vital as it has a veto in the UN security council and could break a resolution against Iraq.

Chief UN weapons and nuclear inspectors Hans Blix and Mohamed El Baradei are to return to Baghdad for talks.

Meanwhile the British troops arriving in Kuwait, alongside the growing US military presence in the region, have included combat soldiers from 3 Commando Brigade of the Royal Marines.

Military officials are not saying how many of them have arrived so far, but they are saying that a further 200 or so will fly in on Monday and a full commando unit of several hundred will be in place within the next few days.

The government will also announce the deployment of RAF personnel to the Gulf later in the week.

It is believed another 60 aircraft will join the 21 already in the region.


http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/2719359.stm



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#2 Missouri Mule

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 06:46 PM

Even if a mushroom cloud materialized over Paris or Berlin, the Saddam lovers would still want to talk about the "root causes" or how we provoked him and he had no choice.

Only a certifiable idiot would believe Saddam.
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:05 PM

Only a certifiable idiot would believe Saddam.



That, sir, we can agree upon.

Many say the same about Bush backers. I'm inclined to believe Bush over Sadamm. However, I am still skeptical.
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#4 Missouri Mule

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:07 PM

Name one Bush lie.
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:24 PM

Truthfully, I wouldn't know the difference between a Bush lie and a Bush truth. Perception is reality. All I know about the man, just like you, is what the media would have us believe. I recognize that.

Until you find yourself, on several occassions, having a beer with the guy, or go fishing or something like that, you can never tell what the real deal is. And that is not directed at Bush. It goes for any celebrity.
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:41 PM

I've heard that the folks in the HC feel pretty free to jeer the speaker, as well as each other. Not quite as cool as the fistfights among parliamentarians in Moscow, but admirable nonetheless. I, for one, say we can learn something from our brethern abroad. :rolleyes:

<pictures Kay Bailey Hutchison and Hillary Clinton calling each other "bitch" and "whore", then ripping each other's clothes off. Promptly goes blind>
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:42 PM

They're a little more animated and vocal than their U.S. counterparts, that's for sure.
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#8 Missouri Mule

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:51 PM

CA: See your problem is that you hang out with the wrong people. Where I live and the people I associate with, well they are decent, hard working and God fearing people. Do I hear an Amen? But where you live up there in Yankeeland, you hang out with all of those potheads and wise guys who are always putting down our wonderful president. Now if you would come down here and get religion and right with our mighty lord and savior you would straightaway get those evil and unchristian like thoughts out of your pickled brain. Repent before it is too late.
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 07:53 PM

....are conveniently gathered here: http://www.csmonitor...ailyUpdate.html
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#10 OverSword

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:08 PM

Good link vig.
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:11 PM

Now if you would come down here and get religion and right with our mighty lord and savior you would straightaway get those evil and unchristian like thoughts out of your pickled brain. Repent before it is too late.



I know you're right brother. I know you're right!

Hahahaha!!!! You da man B-dog!

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:12 PM

The best on the net for day to day updates. A bookmark for
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#13 Tokyoman

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:12 PM

I hope to God the evidence is more substantial then aerial photos of a truck convoy and disjointed telephone messages.
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#14 OverSword

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 08:15 PM

It damn well better be, but either way, the war will happen, and after that is over they better have a mountain of evidence.
However, I think if you sign a cease fire agreement, and fail to live up to it, the cease fire is off, and it is, to coin a phrase, "Go time"
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Posted 17 July 2004 - 12:45 AM

Originally posted by ImperalistSwine
Even if a mushroom cloud materialized over Paris or Berlin, the Saddam lovers would still want to talk about the "root causes" or how we provoked him and he had no choice.

Only a certifiable idiot would believe Saddam.


Only idiots believe in their own lies.
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