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#1 Tatar

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:01 AM

Just a short background information to introduce myself.

My grandparents are Volga Tatars, they immigrated to China after Russian Revolution. My parents and I was born in China, we immigrated to Turkey in the mid 1950s, and I grew up there. Now I live in Northern California.
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#2 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:06 AM

The Volga Tatars are the westernmost of all Turkic nationalities living in the Soviet Union. Among them, there are two major groups
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#3 Prolefeed

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:06 AM

That sounds like an interesting family history Tatar.

welcome to the enlightened forum of time-wasting nationalpatrioanarchocommunistimperialists. :)
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:09 AM

See Kamil,

They knew what is you in reality- THE RUSSOPHOBIC, PRO-YANK, TURK
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#5 GORDILL

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:11 AM

Thank you Life!

I had heard the term "Tatar" but never remembered to look it up. I have learned something!

I wonder how it is pronounced? "Taa-tar" perhaps? Or maybe "Tah-tar"?

Anyway, welcome Tatar! Your views will be appreciated!
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#6 JezMan

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:17 AM

Hi Tatar !

Is Tatar-sauce the invention of your ancestors? :)
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#7 Tatar

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:20 AM

I should clarified my background more throughly for the knowledgeable people here. To be exact I'm Mishar Tatar, my grandparents were from the town of Penza in Russia.

To USC, my main sympathies lies with USA, and Turkey, but I'm not anti-Russian by any means.
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#8 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:40 AM

The Penza history goes back around 330 years. The first document concerning the city dates back to 1663. Sir Yury Kotransky was appointed to build a town-fortress for defending the south-east border of the Russian state.
The city of Penza bears its name in honor of the river on whose shores it was built. At present, the river Sura runs through the center of the city, and the river Penza flows into the Sura near the outskirts of Penza. Perhaps things looked different 300 year ago!

The meaning of the word 'penza' has been lost over the centuries. There is a number of mutually excluding hypotheses explaining the possible meaning of the word.

According to one of them, many many years ago one rich Mordovian man lived here. This man was the owner of the land on which the city was built. The name of the man was Pianza. In the course of time this name has been transformed into Pienza, and then - into Penza. The last version of the name has been assigned both to the river, and to the city.

Another hypothesis supposes that the word 'penza' means 'bird-cherry' in the ancient Mordovian language. This supposition has no solid historical foundation, but we like it. Really, the shores of this small river are covered with shrubs of bird-cherry.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:43 AM

Tatar


You may lie to your new yankee pals, NOT TO ME!
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#10 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:50 AM

For more than 100 years after its foundation Penza was growing without any plan. Wooden houses were built on any suitable free land. The first plan for building in the city was affirmed as late as 1785. According to the plan, poor people were to move to the outskirts of the city, whereas sites in the center of the town were to be occupied by rich people.
The first stone houses emerged in Penza during the last decade of the 18th century.

From 1801 to 1928 Penza was the administrative center of the Penza region. The region was restored in 1939.

Considerable growth of the city started in the second half of the 19th century. Serfdom had been abolished in Russia at that time.

Several railway lines were laid across the Penza region from 1874 to 1896. They had so much influence on the development of the city that a water pipe was put into operation there in 1898. Here are some pictures of Penza of that time:




However, Penza remained a provincial town with little industry until the Great October Socialist Revolution. At present, almost 80 years after this historical event, it is apparent that Penza has not been transformed into a capital even after the Revolution. Nevertheless, industry has become more advanced in Penza. A success has also been achieved as regards housing. There were 18.5 square meters of living space per person in 1994. The city has grown: 160,000 people lived in Penza in 1939, while 546,500 lived here in 1994.
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#11 Tatar

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:57 AM

Thank you for the welcome.
My parents immigrated to USA in 1967, I was 16 years old than, and decided to come with them :) . We lived in Turkey about 12 years.
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#12 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 03:07 AM

http://www.polonium....i/index06.shtml
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 03:51 AM

Tatar --I was going to tell you to 'get out while you still can,' but we need more people like you here, with your non-Anglo heritage and [so far] reasonable viewpoint. It helps to broaden our base. Don't mind the crazies, they're here for entertainment value only.

A moderator will be by with cakes and tea; if you want anything stronger, you're on your own.

babu--[...and I really like your sauce...]
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#14 Tatar

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 03:43 PM

Azov, you are right Tatar diaspora has spread throughout the world. For example, I have relatives in many European countries including Russia, in many states in America, Turkey and Australia.

JezMan, I don't know if Tatars invented Tartar sauce. I think it might have been named so because of it's sweet and mild properties ;)
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 07:01 PM

welome tatar,i see here that there are more freinds among us.
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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:04 PM

Hi Tatar - welcome aboard.

I'm reading a book right now that mentions the mighty Tatars fairly often. It's called RUSSKA by Edward Rutherford; sort of like a History of Russia in novel format.

See you around - how's the People's Socialist Republic of Kalifornia treating you?
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#17 Beethoven

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:07 PM

Originally posted by LifeisGood
The Volga Tatars are the westernmost of all Turkic nationalities living in the Soviet Union. Among them, there are two major groups v the Kazan Tatars and the Mishars; although each is characterized by linguistic and ethnogenetic particularities, their differences have not hindered the emergence and development of a common language and culture.

Welcome aboard




LifeisGood:

I think you need a haircut. I should say a completely new look, the red cap doesn't fit your personality.:D
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#18 gadfly

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:08 PM

Another of MirrorMan's malicious bumps.

Cowboy, you have to check the dates on anything bumped by MirrorMan; he's obsessed with old threads. ;)
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#19 KARACHI DADDY

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:09 PM

Cowboy,

You are about two years too late in your welcome. lol.

(Hint: Always check dates of initial posts in a thread).
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#20 MirrorMan

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Posted 10 April 2005 - 09:11 PM

Originally posted by KALESH DEDDI
Cowboy,

You are about two years too late in your welcome. lol.

(Hint: Always check dates of initial posts in a thread).


Better late than never.
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