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#1 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 11:55 AM

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 9, 2003; Page A01


MUNICH, Feb. 8 -- NATO allies traded blunt words over Iraq today, with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld saying that opposition to war was undermining the alliance, and French and German officials criticizing the U.S. approach as risky.

Rumsfeld told a largely European audience at a conference on international security that "diplomacy has been exhausted, almost." "A large number of nations have already said they will be with us in a coalition of the willing, and more are stepping up each day. . . . Clearly, momentum is building," he said.

Rumsfeld also warned that the United Nations is on "a path of ridicule" and that NATO could be in danger of heading the same way. He said France and Germany face diplomatic isolation with their opposition to an attack on Iraq.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, whose speech immediately followed Rumsfeld's, seemed taken aback by the relentlessness of the U.S. defense secretary's criticism. On the question of attacking Iraq, Fischer asked several times: "Why now? . . . Are we in a situation where we should resort to violence now?"

At one point Fischer faced the U.S. delegation to the conference and, switching from German to English, pointedly said, "Excuse me, I am not convinced."

Fischer also warned the United States against biting off more than it can chew in Afghanistan and the Middle East. "You're going to have to occupy Iraq for years and years," he said. "Are Americans ready for this?" If the U.S. public balks at the costs of a long-term military presence in Iraq, he said, then the U.S. military might withdraw from Iraq prematurely, further destabilizing the Middle East.

The French defense minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, joined the counterattack, raising her eyebrows at the "combative tone" of Rumsfeld's comments. "Ad hoc coalitions" are a precarious approach that can't replace the alliance, she cautioned.

The day exposed extraordinary tension between the United States and two of its main European allies, and also among European officials themselves. While all sides condemned the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein, they clashed repeatedly on how to deal with him.

A few blocks from the conference site, thousands of German antiwar demonstrators gathered despite a heavy snowstorm in support of their government's position. With hundreds of police officers nearby, the protesters rallied in a square in downtown Munich under signs such as "Remember Vietnam," "Christian Bombs for Muslim Oil" and "Rummy Go Home."

Another banner said, "Welcome to Cuba," an allusion to Rumsfeld's remark at a congressional hearing last week that the only nations determined not to help the U.S. attack Iraq are Cuba, Germany and Libya.

The rhetoric inside the conference was almost as heated. At one point, Portuguese Defense Minister Paulo Portas reminded Fischer of the failures of European pacifism, beginning with its inability to counter the rise of Nazism in the 1930s. Fischer responded brusquely, "You don't need to talk to me about that" and noted that he had supported the use of force in the Serbian province of Kosovo and in Afghanistan.

But the biggest divide was between the United States and the Europeans. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said that "Iraq is the test" of both the U.N. and NATO. He charged that the alliance is failing the test because of the "flawed calculations" and "vacuous posturing" of Germany and France.

McCain and Rumsfeld both said that recent French and German foot-dragging over even discussing the possible deployment of NATO assets, such as Patriot anti-missile batteries, to Turkey also threatened to damage the alliance.

But it was Rumsfeld's vintage performance, which focused almost entirely on Iraq and the consequences of positions being taken by various nations on how to deal with it, that set the tone for the day.

Rumsfeld emphasized that war with Iraq is "the last choice" but essentially argued that it is the only choice left. Diplomacy and economic sanctions have been "tried extensively" and failed to lead to Iraq's disarmament, he said.

Asked if he thought Germany and France were simply trying to check the unrestrained exercise of power by the United States, Rumsfeld responded that if that were so, "the likely effect would be that Germany and France would isolate themselves."

Rumsfeld also slammed the United Nations for recently making Libya the chair of a human rights commission and giving a similar position on a disarmament panel to Iraq. "That these acts of irresponsibility could happen now, at this moment of history, is breathtaking," he said. Rumsfeld called on the United Nations to move "from a path of ridicule to a path of responsibility."

If the United Nations doesn't change course, it runs the danger of repeating the failure of its predecessor, the League of Nations, Rumsfeld warned. "When the League failed to act after the invasion of Abyssinia [by Italy in 1935], it was discredited as an instrument of peace and security."

NATO Secretary General George Robertson sought to tone down the rhetoric, saying that strains in the alliance come and go. But he also conceded that it is part of his job to minimize cross-Atlantic tensions. "As secretary general of NATO, I am paid to be an optimist," he said.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) also sought to calm tempers but said: "It seems to me that the current division we have over policy toward Iraq is the most substantial challenge the alliance has faced since the end of the Cold War."

Meanwhile, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported that Germany and France are working on a disarmament plan for Iraq that would include the deployment of U.N. soldiers throughout the country, reconnaissance flights and a tripling of the number of weapons inspectors, news services reported. A German government spokesman confirmed that the two countries were collaborating on a plan but would not provide any details.

Rumsfeld said he had not received official word about the proposal. "I heard about it from the press. No official word. I have no knowledge of it."
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:01 PM

"German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer has directly challenged the United States over the justifications for possible military action against Iraq.

More than 10,000 protesters took to the streets in Munich
"I am not convinced... I cannot go to the public and say these are the reasons because I don't believe in them," he told a European defence conference in Munich."

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/2740777.stm
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#3 Mae

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:06 PM

ANd I wouldn't say Rumsfeld has balls..
This is was I think of him,

http://www.something...lvinTheJerk.jpg
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:07 PM

Interesting that Rumsfeld uses the analogy of Italy and Ethiopia.

"Ethiopia (Abyssinia), which Italy had unsuccessfully tried to conquer in the 1890s, was in 1934 one of the few independent states in a European-dominated Africa. A border incident between Ethiopia and Italian Somaliland that December gave Benito Mussolini an excuse to intervene. Rejecting all arbitration offers, the Italians invaded Ethiopia on Oct. 3, 1935."
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#5 LifeisGood

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:11 PM

I must have hit a raw nerve.;)
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:14 PM

Donald-Mc Donald Rumsfeld better wake up and smell the aroma of African coffie and the world! Everybody hates stupid Americans specialy their blood sucking government!
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:20 PM

hit a raw nerve?


rumsfeld doesn't even make the radar in terms of simple human decency and has little to take seriously about him - the man who brought us that finest of concepts - "we now face unknown unknowns" - he's an embarrassment.
if you were perceptive enough you'd realise he gives not a single bowel movement about you and yours.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 12:27 PM

In Germany, when Rumsfeld speaks everyone listens. As vigorous said,

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Main thing is, he makes them think. This
may energize them. They seem to need
energy these days.
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Source: http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=1691
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#9 Gandu

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 01:23 PM

>Rumsfeld: This man has balls <

Damn shame he has no brains.
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#10 gonzo

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 01:49 PM

In Germany, when Rumsfeld speaks everyone listens. As vigorous said



Actually the old saying, "You want to keep your friends close but your enemies even closer"
Please Please !, Do not be flattered by the attention he gets.

He is a dangerous and very sour old man.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:10 PM

Mae I watched German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer ,he was practically yelling and was very mad at Rumsfeld


About balls they must be resting on Rumsfeld 's chin
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#12 baltoga

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:16 PM

Just a point of clarification, I said

In Germany, when Rumsfeld speaks everyone listens.

This was in reference to a German newscast that stated Rumsfeld is a TV bonanza. Whenever he speaks on a German telecast, the Germans tune in.


Vigorous responded as follow:

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Main thing is, he makes them think. This
may energize them. They seem to need
energy these days.
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#13 baltoga

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:21 PM

NATO without the US is a military midget.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:33 PM

Rumsfeld is a complete jerk, way cool. A hillbilly, there are thousands of his kind.

Did you know his origins are german? A decade ago he visited his relatives in northern germany, they had a word on TV last night, they think he is a sick man.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:41 PM

I wish, though, that you Euros would indeed call Washington's bluff and tell it to go to Hell. Withdraw from NATO, and build a common European Defense Pact to take care of your European affairs. We'll just how well "Fortress America" can go it alone.



Your wish is closer to reality then you think, It will happen. I would prefer though if the States were given the boot out of Nato, because of there aggressive and hostile attitudes and behaviours.
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 02:46 PM

Did you know his origins are german? A decade ago he visited his relatives in northern germany, they had a word on TV last night, they think he is a sick man.



He is an embarrasment for all of us with German orgin
He is only sick in the head .
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 03:13 PM

He is an embarrasment for all of us with some German orgin
He is not only sick in his head, he has no balls.. .
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 04:13 PM

He is an embarrasment for all of us with some German orgin
He is not only sick in his balls, he has no head.. .
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Posted 09 February 2003 - 04:35 PM

"I wish, though, that you Euros would indeed call Washington's bluff and tell it to go to Hell. Withdraw from NATO, and build a common European Defense Pact to take care of your European affairs. We'll just how well "Fortress America" can go it alone."

Azov: Boy, did you ever step into a bucket of shite! The amount of money that these socialist countries put into the defense establishments is miniscule compared to the U.S. I say go for it. They have my blessing.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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#20 Missouri Mule

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Posted 09 February 2003 - 04:44 PM

Azov: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I just can stop laughing about your suggestion that Europe go it alone. I'm about to bust a gut! Stop it. No more jokes today. You're killing me.
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