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#21 phoove

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 02:59 AM

> do you have any additions to what is piety?

Your list is fairly good, Obmar.

But in Christian thought, even the very best of our own "righteousness" is not even close to "good enough" by God's righteous and holy standards.

That's why God came to earth as a human being, to suffer the penalty that we deserve, thereby satisfying the demands of both justice and mercy.

God loves you, and longs to adopt you into his family. He died for you; all you have to do is acknowledge him and allow him the relationship of love that he desires with you.
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#22 obmar

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 03:08 AM

let alone die for the humans....

013.015
Whatever beings
there are in the heavens
and the earth
do prostrate themselves
to Allah/God (Acknowledging subjection),

- with good-will
or in spite of themselves:

so do their shadows
in the morning and evenings.
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#23 phoove

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 03:12 AM

The muslim God is "too good" to suffer or die for his creatures.

The Christian God washes the feet of his disciples, and then goes to the cross to save them from the penalty of their sins.
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#24 obmar

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 03:12 AM

013.016
Say:
"Who is the Lord
and Sustainer
of the heavens and the earth?"

Say:
"(It is) Allah./God"

Say:
"Do ye then take
(for worship) protectors
other than Him,

such as have no power
either for good
or for harm to themselves?"

Say:
"Are the blind
equal with those who see?

Or the depths of darkness
equal with light?"

Or do they assign
to Allah/God partners
who have created (anything)
as He has created,
so that the creation
seemed to them similar?

Say:
"Allah/God is the Creator of all things:

He is the One,
the Supreme and Irresistible."
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#25 phoove

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:32 AM

The muslim god is "too good" to enter into the human condition, to suffer and bleed and give himself on their behalf.

The Christian God is too good not to...
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#26 obmar

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 03:01 PM

and yet there should only be one Creator.

"Who is the Lord
and Sustainer
of the heavens and the earth?"
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 02:30 PM

>>>Breaking any law is the same as breaking every law<<<

There goes justice to the stable once again.

>>>He cannot merely look the other way at sin<<<

No he does not. Everyone of us will pay for our sins at the Final Day of Judgement where He will be the only Judge.

>>>The Christian God washes the feet of his disciples, and then goes to the cross to save them from the penalty of their sins<<<

That is not God by any definition of the word God. Christianity in its life long quest for absolving oneself from all sins have come up with the ideas that God needs Humans and not the other way round.

>>>That's why God came to earth as a human being<<<

I wonder why Jesus said the following and to whom???
"Eli, Eli, La ma sabukthani"
"Oh God, Oh God, Why have you forsaken me"
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#28 obmar

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 07:42 AM

http://www.bismikaal...ry/catholic.htm
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Posted 10 September 2004 - 04:29 AM

This is the path of your Lord, a straight path. We have detailed Our revelations for those who take heed and have prepared for them an abode of peace with their Lord. He will be their Protecting Friend as a reward for their good deeds.

-Qur'an, Al-An'am, Surah 6:127-28
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#30 obmar

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Posted 10 September 2004 - 04:37 AM

A Bedouin came to the Prophet and said,

"Tell me of such a deed
as will make me enter Paradise,
if I do it."

The Prophet (pbuh) said,
"Worship Allah,
and worship none along with Him,
offer the (five) prescribed compulsory prayers perfectly,
pay the compulsory Zakat,
and fast the month of Ramadan."

The Bedouin said, "By Him,
in Whose Hands my life is,
I will not do more than this."

When he (the Bedouin) left,the Prophet said,
"Whoever likes to see a man of Paradise,
then he may look at this man."
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#31 obmar

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 03:24 AM

God says thus to him that loves him, and serves him faithfully: "Go and consider the sands of the sea, O my servant, how many they are. Wherefore, if the sea should give you one single grain of sand, would it appear small to you? Assuredly, yes. As I, your creator, live, all that I have given in this world to all the princes and kings of the earth is less than a grain of sand that the sea would give you, in comparison of that which I will give you in my paradise."
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