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[Albion]

The British legal industry and the law of that land are two completely different systems. But one obscures the other. And it will continue to do so until people realise the difference.

That is, the British legal industry works according to 'English Common Law'. And it has done so for almost 1,000 years. This system of 'English Common Law' is different, very different, from the actual law of this land. But most people don't know this. The actual law of the land in Britain is the Common Law. But it was the rival (hidden) system called 'English Common Law' which was used by the colonial British in the USA, even before their own independence. ('English Common Law'). And which, today, believe it or not, STILL operates in all the States of the USA !!!

Let's just take one example. The USA Social Security System.

THE UK MONARCHY AND THE USA SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM

In a remarkable article written by S.K. Ames entitled 'Queen Elizabeth Controls and has Amended US Social Security' we find that -

In S.I. 1997 No. 1778 the 'Social Security Order (United States of America)' which was made on 22nd July 1997 came in to force on 1st September of that same year of 1997. And it was signed at the Court of Buckingham Palace, London, on 22nd July 1997.

Now, therefore, Her Majesty, in pursuance of Section 1791 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is please by and with advice of Her Privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered as follows -

"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America)
Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."

Giving a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice
stating in court that he takes his orders from England? !!!

This order goes on to redefine words in the USA Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law.

Now comes the proof that the British feudal monarchy still pulls the strings in the USA -

Go back to the late 18th century. Remember that the 18th century King George was at the time the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and (also) of the United States of America." For proof of this See: Treaty of Peace (1738) '8 U.S. Statutes at Large'. So the British monarchy (the King) was at the time the agent for the Pope and was, in charge of the USA 'plantation.'

What people do not know is the so called Founding Fathers of the USA and King George were actually working hand in hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them, and to bind them to a debt that could never be paid. Furthermore, you need to understand that the entity known as the 'United States' is really a Corporation. Not a country. In fact it existed before the American Revolutionary War. See Republic v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43.28 U.S.C. 3002 (15). King George was not just the King of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. ' Statutes at Large 80'.

On January 22, 1783 the newly formed USA Congress ratified a contract for repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already received dating from February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. So the UNITED STATES Inc. owed the British King money which was due on 1st January 1, 1788 from King George which came via France.

Incredible fact number 1 ! Thus the British King George actually funded BOTH sides of the USA Revolutionary War !!!! But there was more work that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation were declared to be in force from 1st March 1781. They state in Article 12, 'All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed,and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

So, even after losing the Revolutionary War, (even though it was
nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King) the British monarchy and their legal system were not finished yet.

The loans granted to the USA via France for their war against British rule were soon coming due. So a meeting was convened in Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under the existing Articles of Confederation. Representatives of only five States come to that meeting, but there was a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation

On February 21, 1787 the Congress of the USA gave approval of the meeting to take place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise their Articles of confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt of their new nation. (Little did the people know that the so called Founding Fathers were going to reorganize the United States - because it was Bankrupt).

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates finally met to approve the Constitution. These States had now become Constitutors. (Constitutor: In the civil law, means one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt). See Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed.

So these States were now about to become liable for this debt owed to the British King. But the actual people of America were not liable because they were not party to the Constitution. It was never put to them for a vote.

On August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled. 'An Act making provision for the payment of the Debt of the United States'. (Whose text can be found at '1 U.S. Statutes at Large' on pages 138-178). This Act for all intents and purposes abolished the States and it created in their place Districts. If you don't believe that look it up. That Act set up Federal Districts - Pennsylvania, for example, got two. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of this huge debt. The next step was
for these states to reorganize their governments - which most of them did in 1790. This had to be done because the States needed to legally (though not lawfully) bind the people to repayment of the debt. As said, the original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote. So the state governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to people for a vote thereby binding the people to these debts owed to Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso facto citizens of the United States. (A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with a 'subject').

In legal dictionaries a corporation is in reality the same as a person and vice versa. words, a Person. So, for example -

"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272
"Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.

So there are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this planet is really a corporation. A corporation is of course an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labour, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

Before we go any further let us examine a few things in the USA Constitution. Article 6 section 1 keeps the loans from the King valid. It states that all debts contracted and all Engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution as under the Confederation.

Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article 1 Section 8 Clause 2 which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. This money was badly needed so the United States (Which actually went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could still borrow and because the existing States were a party to the Constitution so they would also be liable for it.

The next underhanded move was creation of The United States Bank in 1791. (This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares issued of which no less than 18,000 were held by elites in England !!!). So the Bank loaned the United States money in exchange for Securities of the United States.

Now the creditors of the United States (which included the British King wanted paid the Interest on these loans already given to the United States). So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing the people - on alcohol. The people resisted that so George Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax -which they did. This has since become known in history as the 'Whisky Rebellion'. It was the Militia's duty to collect those taxes.

How did the United States collect taxes from the people if they were not a party to the Constitution ? Well, that's a great question. The people were forced into being liable for them. The United States belongs, in fact to the 'Floundering Fathers' and their posterity. So America remains, in actual fact, still today, little more than a plantation or a colony.

How many times have you seen someone in a court in America try to use the Constitution and being told by the Judge he cannot ? This is explained because the people are not a party to it. If you don't believe that fact read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs the Mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah - 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states (and I quote) " But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."

Now back to the Militia. Article 1 Section 8 clause (15) states that it is the militia's job to execute the laws of the Union. Now read Clause (16) Which states that Congress has the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States.... the Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is there to collect substance.

As you can plainly see all the Constitution did was set up a Military Government to guard the King of Britain's commerce and to make the people of America liable to them.

Again, if one goes to 8 U.S. 'Statutes at Large' pages 116-132 you will find "The Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation. This Treaty was signed on November 19th, 1794 - twelve years after the War of Independence. Article 2 of this Treaty states that the King's Troops were still occupying the United States. Being the nice King he was , he decided the troops would finally return to England by June 1st, 1796. These troops were still on American soil because, quite frankly the King wanted them here.

And here is the key to where this started:

Many people tend to blame 'the Jews' for our problems. And yet, perversely, Jewish Law has been used to govern the entire commercial world, as found in Jewish Law by MENACHEM ELON, DEPUTY PRESIDENT SUPREME COURT OF ISRAEL, to wit:

"Everything in the Babylonian Talmud is binding on all Israel. Every town and country must follow all customs, give effect to the decrees, and carry out the enactment's of the Talmudic sages, because the entire Jewish people accepted everything contained in Talmud. The sages who adopted the enactment's and decrees, instituted the practices, rendered the decisions, and derived the laws, constituted all or most of the Sages of Israel. It is they who received the tradition of the fundamentals of the entire Torah in unbroken succession going back to Moses, our teacher."

That system was used by non-Jews. So today we are living under what the Bible calls Mammon. As written in the subject Index, Mammon is defined as ("Civil law and procedure").

Now turn to the "The Shetars Effect on English Law" -- A Law of the Jews Becomes the Law of the Land, found in "The George Town Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200." We find the amazing statement that the Jewish people are now 'owned' by non-Jews. Elites. In fact. It is clearly stated in the 'Law Review' that the Jews are the property of the Norman and Anglo-Saxon Kings.

And who were the Norman and Anglo Kings ? They were the papally approved invaders of England in 1066. Who attacked the Common Law of that nation.

The 'Law Review' article also also explains that the Talmud is the law of the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land - which is today globally known as the Uniform Commercial Code. Or 'UCC'. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish shetar is a lien on all property (realty) and today it's called the mortgage! The treatise also explains the Jews are owned by Great Britain and that certain Jews are placed in charge of the Banking system. (To protect the elites, that is).

So, regardless of what the Jewish people say about it the system that has been imposed on the world through a perverse legal system BY THE NON-JEWS is the Babylonian Talmud. And where did all of that come from ? Well, it was brought into England in 1066 with the Norman Conquest and has been enforced by the Pope, Kings and the Christian churches ever since. Through the modern legal industry. It is of course total and relentless mind control - people are taught to believe in things that do not exist.

(As for the Common Law in England before 1066, well, that would of course tend to be bypassed by the corporate feudalist system just described). Its clone would from 1066 onwards be called 'English Common Law'.

Again -

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520

You also have to understand that the monarchy of Britain,(Article 6 Section 1) the United States and its States are the actual parties to the Constitution, not the people.

Leading to -

"The primary control and custody of infants is with the government"
Tillman V. Roberts. 108 So. 62

" Marriage is a civil contract to which there are three parties- the husband,
the wife and the state." Van Koten v. Van Koten. 154 N.E. 146.

"The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called "ownership" is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to
the necessities of the State. ((Senate Document No. 43 73rd Congress 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra) So you own no Property because you are a slave. Really you are worse off than a slave because you are also a debtor.

"The right of traffic or the transmission of property, as an absolute inalienable right, is one which has never existed since governments were instituted, and never can exist under government." Wynehamer v. The People. 13 N.Y. Rep.378, 481

And so the British feudal monarchy to this day collects taxes from the American people. In alliance with the Vatican. Because the IRS is not an Agency of the United States Government.

Again, all American taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims - meaning taxpayers are considered a business and are said to be involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K. The form that is supposed to be used is form 8288, FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB's-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the
Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902 - which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by foreign persons, of U.S. Form #8288, #8288a. These codes have since been changed to read as follows: IMF 300-309, Barred Assessment, CP 55 generated valid for MFT-30, which is the code for the 1040 form. IMF 310-399 reads the same as IMF 300-309, BMF 390-399 reads U.S.-U.K. Tax Treaty Claims.

Isn't it INCREDIBLE that a 1040 Form in the USA is a payment of a tax to the U.K. ? Everybody in the USA is always looking to 26 U.S.C. for the law that makes one liable for payment the so called Income Tax but, it is not in there because it is NOT a Tax. It is in fact a debt collection through a private contract called the Constitution of the United States Article Six, Section One and various agreements. Is a cow paying an income tax when the machine gets connected to it's udders ? The answer is no. I have never known a cow that owns property or has been compensated for its labor. You own nothing that your labor has ever produced. You don't even own your labour or yourself. Your labour is measured in current credit money. You are allowed to retain a small portion of your labour so you can have food, clothing shelter and most of all breed more slaves.

You see we are cows, the IRS in the USA is the company who milks the cows and the United States Inc. is the veterinarian who takes care of the herd and the elite monarchy of Great Britain and its feudal oligarchs are the Owners of the farm in fee simple. The farm is held in allodium by the Pope.

Now to Rome.

"Convinced that the principles of religion contribute most powerfully to keep nations in the state of passive obedience which they owe to their princes, the high contracting parties declare it to be their intention to
sustain in their respective states, those measures which the clergy may adopt with the aim of ameliorating their interests, so intimately connected with the preservation of the authority of the princes; and the contracting powers join in offering their thanks to the Pope for what he has already done for
them, and solicit his constant cooperation in their views of submitting the nations." Article (3) Treaty of Varona (1822)

If the Sovereign Pontiff should nevertheless, insist on his law being observed he must be obeyed. Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844. Pontifical laws moreover become obligatory without being accepted or confirmed by secular rulers. Syllabus, prop. 28, 29, 44. Hence the jus nationale,(Federal Law) or the exceptional ecclesiastical laws prevalent in the United States, may be abolished at any time by the Sovereign Pontiff. 'Elements of Ecclesiastical Law.' Vol. I 53-54.

And, to conclude, the papacy claims to be the ultimate owner of everything in the entire world ! See Treaty of 1213, Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1492 etc.

A papacy which, in fact, approved the Norman Invasion of England in 1066 and which, of course, set up the feudal system. By trashing the Common Law there. The rival system 'English Common Law' which, to this day, survives in the form most obvious at the corporate oligarchy known as the Westminster Parliament. Together with its legal accomplices of the Law Society and all the usual unaccountable, elitist, controllers of modern society.

The New World Order is the control of entire nations by the Vatican through a bogus system of law. That law imposed on the world through UCC and through English Common Law/Talmud law. Stolen by evil men and blamed on the Jewish people as a whole. The Vatican being the controller of the entire Roman Catholic dominated New World Order. Using, as usual, monarchies, fraternities and other self-interested groups including lawyers, politicians etc.

In short, the human race, with the New World Order, faces economic slavery. Through corrupt regimes, politicians, and dynasties of feudal elites. The agents, in fact, of the Vatican 'New World Order'.

[sb11]

It would be good for the 2 most powerful royal families
(England and Netherlands) to divest themselves of the
BP and Shell stock. Both companies have been factors
in the Iraq and Afghan wars.

[Shepard]

Albion you just hate our 'freedoms' and 'democracy'... Lol

[Albion]

Shephard,

In my quest for 'freedoms' I am reminded of the fact that he who buys his freedom is a slave, but he who is freeborn is free indeed.

As for 'democracy' I compare it to a sailing ship without sails.

LOL !

Albion you just hate our 'freedoms' and 'democracy'... Lol

[Albion]

Yes indeed !

And, if we look at this objectively, we are now facing the most remarkable situation. The Common Law (derived from the Golden Rule) against the 'money', corporations and feudalist oligarchs of the Goliath New World Order.

A seemingly hopeless scenario.

But not hopeless at all !

It would be good for the 2 most powerful royal families
(England and Netherlands) to divest themselves of the
BP and Shell stock. Both companies have been factors
in the Iraq and Afghan wars.

[Albion]

The evidence that the UNELECTED monarchy controls the USA Social Security system has just been posted. Why not read it and stop living in ignorance of reality ?

The Common Law includes the Rights of the British electorate not to be ruled by a foreign power and not to be subject to its laws.

And, finally, governments do NOT grant our Rights. They are our own.

How much evidence do you want that the unelected dynasty of UK PLC is a feudal corporation ruled over by unelected elites, corporate courts, corporate police forces, corporate broadcasters, commentators and stooges of the feudal system ? With its own bogus legal system. The 'English Common Law'. A counterfeit of the Common Law which was trashed by the Romanised Norman Invasion of England in 1066. Aided and abetted ever since by the British legal industry and its fraternal 'Law Society'. Fleecing you out of your own national sovereignty (contrary to law) when IT joined the EU, your own lawful rights, ownership of your own car, your own Title Deeds, and even your own common sense !

Get real. The law of Britain is the Common Law. NOT the system of the ruling feudal elites. But why waste time on men who choose to remain ignorant ? You deserve slavery. That's what the British system will give you. Wave your flag while men everywhere marvel at your choice of remaining a subject of the feudal system. You choose ignorance, don't you ? And ignorance is what you have.

The "common law" is a system based upon generations of custom and usage, not evidence that the Queen controls things.

[mechanic]

democracy will come only after true independence from her majesty's anglo-irish mob that runs the colonies.
mr. obama as president is a small step in the right direction.
right now the mob is working very hard to undermine black politicians throughout the american colony.
the mob will fail.

[Albion]

Yankthis,

No, you have no idea. You never had an idea in your life. You can't even read the information posted on this thread, can you ?

The British monarchy FUNDED BOTH SIDES OF THE AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE.

The repayments were forced on the American people. With interest. And, in the meantime the English legal system was imposed on each of the States of the USA. The bogus system known as 'English Common Law'. And NOT the Common Law.

There is a difference. Right ?

Look, go to school.

Listen to the first 3 minutes of this and stop making a FOOL of yourself. You CAN do that, can't you ?



Get it yet ?

But don't bother. You are not the sharpest tool in the box, are you ?

Bye

The law of the US is also the common law, but that hardly means that the Queen somehow maintains control over the US.

I have no idea how you reached that rather crazy conclusion.

[Albion]

Yeh, and you have checked the historical facts, haven't you ?

Of course you haven't ! You haven't got the brain to check them have you ?

You can have pages of legal and historical evidence. Texts of entire actions. But you still can't see the facts, can you ?

I WILL seek help. From fools like you ! Who are badly needed by the corporate feudal elites of the New World Order. They badly need people like you. Men who are so ignorant they can't even read this thread. And who have never examined the facts of history. You are another dumbed down 'subject' of the feudal, unelected corporate dynasty. The corporate oligarchs just LOVE YOU. One is born every minute. It keeps their scam going. You might even get a pension from them.

Try this for size - the Common Law.

Got it yet ?

*L*

--and I suppose "the British Monarchy" funded both sides of teh American Civil War, too, and funded America in the War of 1812.

When something sounds too insane to be true, it probably is. Seek help.

[Shepard]

No. I'm a great big dummy because I don't believe that the Queen maintains control over America, and stuff.

You, on the other hand, are a brilliant historian for your ability to ignore or warp the entire historical record. Congratulations to you.

Heh. smart people.

I don't think he is a smart people, he has presented a very good argument and backs it with evidence.

[Shepard]

Umm, no he didn't.

He cited to a youtube video, and regurgitated some rambling, incoherent bullshit with NO supporting documentation or anything of the kind.

It's inherently nonsensical. It is amusing when poorly-educated tools like that believe utter crap and try to lecture me, their obvious superior, about their insane and illogical beliefs.

That is all.

What exactly you don't agree with him?

[Albion]

'Preposterous suggestion' ? And have you contacted the sources of this information ? Read the thread.

And, after you have done so, come back and post your results.

You were preposterous from the start. Your avatar is preposterous. You have supplied NO FACTS at all. You have received many. That is the record. Now, go away, study the sources, and come back to us.

This conversation is over until you do so.

Here are further links to the same information -

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm

http://goldismoney.i...read.php?t=2141

http://tweetmeme.com...social-security

http://usa-the-repub...enue/index.html

http://www.fourwinds...hp?q=1255100392

http://www.theforbid...te_delusion.htm

http://www.theantech...sOfTreason.html


Come back and show us some more of your ignorance.

Read the thread.

It's a preposterous suggestion. This has got to be the only forum in the world in which such a facially invalid and absurd notion would find an audience.

You should be embarrassed.

[Albion]

GAME, SET AND MATCH


Here is a source of the text of the document made at Buckingham Palace. In 1997. Number 1778. Scroll down.

Notice also in the preamble to this document - and I quote -

''It should be noted that the right to reproduce the text of Statutory Instruments does not extend to the Queen's Printer imprints which should be removed from any copies of the Statutory Instrument which are issued or made available to the public. This includes reproduction of the Statutory Instrument on the Internet and on intranet sites. The Royal Arms may be reproduced only where they are an integral part of the original document.''


Oh, that's OK, let's hide the British Royal Coat of Arms from this Order to the USA, right ? LOL !!! Don't want it to become public knowledge that the UK monarchy is ordering the USA.

http://www.theantech...rument1997.html

And the reply from Yankthis is ??????????????????????

No argument !!

It's hilarious

[Albion]

The dumbo is back again !

Look, sit down. You are in the business of disinformation, aren't you ?

Here is some INFORMATION. You DO know the diffrerence, don't you ?

Here are 10 facts for you -

1. You said there is no proof this document exists. But it exists. Right ? So you were wrong.

2. This document is NOT a treaty. It's an Order.

3. Read the Document. It is The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997.

4. An Order is an Order, isn't it, Mr Smartie ? You do know the difference between an Order and a Treaty don't you ?

5. Within the text we read the confirmation of that fact. And I quote -

Now, therefore, Her Majesty, in pursuance of section 179(1)(a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act 1992 and of all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered, as follows:

This document, this ORDER, comes from Buckingham Palace Court and it is an Order, as already said. It comes from London and not from Washington.

It is definitely not a Treaty. It is an ORDER. Isn't it ? The order is coming from the UK Monarchy. And the Royal Seal is removed not to publicise this fact, as already shown in the preamble.

Furthermore, the various websites given already prove by reference to legislation that the USA (a corporation) borrowed vast amounts of money during the War of Independence. Money which came, in fact, from the British monarchy via France. Isn't that true ? And this money (with its interest) was repayable to the lender at rates of interest by the corporation (the USA). It was imposed on the people of the 'USA' and that is the true context of this 'Order'. And the USA was bankrupt at the time. And, even today, Social Security in the USA is a big deal. It costs lots of money. And so this Social Security Order is an instruction to the 'USA' on that subject.

Thank You

[Albion]

Let's start at the beginning. You first told us this document wasn't genuine, didn't you ? Isn't that what you said ? Right here on this thread. Mr Smartie ?

And now you see it's genuine.

Let's start there.

You do admit this document was made between the USA and the British Monarchy in London in 1997, don't you ?

Let's start there. And it's an Order, isn't it ?

In fact the preamble says (for the second time) that no publicity about its origin should be publicly displayed. I quote -

It should be noted that the right to reproduce the text of Statutory Instruments does not extend to the Queen's Printer imprints which should be removed from any copies of the Statutory Instrument which are issued or made available to the public. This includes reproduction of the Statutory Instrument on the Internet and on intranet sites. The Royal Arms may be reproduced only where they are an integral part of the original document.

Don't you just love accountable, open government ?

Good Christ.

Some folks are too damned stupid to simply admit when they ****ed up.

It's not an "order" to the US, dumbass--it's an order to carry out the agreement to her own government, which had adopted it.

[Albion]

Yankthis,

OK, let's see which of us pulls out of the conversation first.

Here are some facts. Correct them if you can. I will underline the parts for your special attention. Here is your second chance to learn the facts of history.

You need to understand that the entity known as the 'United States' is really a Corporation. Not a country. In fact that corporation existed before the American Revolutionary War. See for proof Republic v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43.28 U.S.C. 3002 (15). King George was not just the King of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. ' Statutes at Large 80'. Didn't know that, right ?

On January 22, 1783 the newly formed USA Congress ratified a contract for repayment of 21 loans that the 'UNITED STATES' had already received dating from February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. So the 'UNITED STATES' Inc. owed the British King money which was due on 1st January 1, 1788 from King George which came via France.

Incredible fact number 1 ! Thus, believe it or not, the British King George and the feudal elites had actually funded BOTH sides of the USA Revolutionary War !!!! Don't worry about the British soldiers sacrificed in this nonsense. But there was more work that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation were declared to be in force of the new nation from 1st March 1781. They state in Article 12, and I quote, 'All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed,and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

So, even after losing the Revolutionary War, (even though it was nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King), the British monarchy and their legal system were not finished yet.

The loans granted to the 'USA' via France for their war against British rule were soon coming due. So a meeting was convened in Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the newly 'independent' country under the existing Articles of Confederation. Representatives of only 5 States come to that meeting, but there was a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation

On February 21, 1787 the Congress of the USA gave approval of the meeting to take place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise their Articles of confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt of their new founded nation. (Little did the people know the so called Founding Fathers were going to reorganize the United States - because it was Bankrupt).

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates finally met to approve the Constitution. These States had now become Constitutors. (Note - Constitutor: In the civil law, means one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt). See Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Got that, yes ?

So these States were now about to become liable for the debt owed to the British King and the elites of the British aristocracy. But the actual people of America were not liable for the debt because they were not party to the Constitution. It was never put to them for a vote.

On August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled. 'An Act making provision for the payment of the Debt of the United States'. (Whose text can be found at '1 U.S. Statutes at Large' on pages 138-178). This Act for all intents and purposes abolished the States and created in their place Districts. If you don't believe that fact look it up. That Act set up Federal Districts - Pennsylvania, for example, got two districts. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of this huge debt. The next step was for these states to reorganize their state governments - which most of them did in 1790. This had to be done because the States needed to legally (though not lawfully) bind the people themselves to repayment of the above war debt. As said, the original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote. So the new state governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to people for a vote - thereby binding the people to these war debts owed to the aristocrats of Britain. The people now became citizens of the State where they resided and also ipso facto citizens of the United States. (A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with a 'subject').

In legal dictionaries a corporation is in reality the same as a person, and vice versa. words, a Person. So, for example -

"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272
"Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.

So there are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this planet is really a corporation. A corporation is of course an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labour, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

Before we go any further examine a few things in the USA Constitution. Article 6 section 1 is interesting - it keeps the loans from the King valid. It states that all debts contracted and all Engagements entered into, even before the adoption of this Constitution shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution as under the Confederation.

Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article 1 Section 8 Clause 2 which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. This money was badly needed so the United States (Which actually went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could still borrow and because the existing States were a party to the Constitution so they would also be liable for it.

The next underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank in 1791. (This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares issued of which no less than 18,000 were held by elites in England !!!). So the Bank loaned the United States money in exchange for Securities of the United States. Who owns those shares today ?

Now the creditors of the United States (which included the British King as said - and his stooges) wanted paid the Interest on these loans already given to the United States). So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing the people - on alcohol. The people resisted this as being contrary to the law so George Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax -which they did. This has since become known in history as the 'Whisky Rebellion'. It was the Militia's duty to collect those taxes.

How did the United States collect taxes from the people if they were not a party to the Constitution ? Well, that's a great question. The people were FORCED into being liable for them. The United States belongs, in fact to the 'Floundering Fathers' and their posterity. So America remains, in actual fact, still today, little more than a plantation or a colony. Because the interest continued.

How many times have you seen someone in a court in America try to use the Constitution and being told by the Judge he cannot ? This is explained because the people are NOT a party to it. If you don't believe that read for example Padelford, Fay & Co. vs the Mayor and Alderman of the City of Savannah - 14 Georgia 438, 520 which clearly states (and I quote) " But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it." How clear is that ?

Now back to the Militia. Article 1 Section 8 clause (15) states that it is the militia's job to execute the laws of the Union. Now read Clause (16) Which states that Congress has the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States.... the Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is there to collect substance.

As you can plainly see all the Constitution did was set up a Military Government to guard the King of Britain's commerce and to make the people of America liable to them. And what happened to the 18,000 shares owned in the USA by the elite British ?

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Which of the underlined sections is untrue ? Clock starts ticking now.

Thank You

[Albion]

Yankthis doesn't like the views of others who contradict him. Let's see who is still standing after a fair conversation. Doesn't look good for Yankthis, does it ? He can't produce a single evidence. All he does is make silly posts.

And speaking of US social security system. How about this ?

Er, get the point ? Who is controlling who ? Dirty little feudal elites of the New World unelected Order. Now controlling the Social Security systems.

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Umm, no he didn't.

He cited to a youtube video, and regurgitated some rambling, incoherent bullshit with NO supporting documentation or anything of the kind.

It's inherently nonsensical. It is amusing when poorly-educated tools like that believe utter crap and try to lecture me, their obvious superior, about their insane and illogical beliefs.

That is all.

[Shepard]

Good job Albion... Keep on posting this info...

[kaksteen]

Yackthis is product of abortion so you must excuse his knowledge of Gringo?anglo history.His knowledge of US history is limited to one book he read in 6th grade. Actually he is no different then 85% of other Gringows. Lets call it ignorance. Most Gringos are known to ignore the truth .
One of the simplest ways to find out who runs Gringostan is to seat in southern states courts and observe that south still fallows 100% old anglosvine common laws. Some of those courts are like big circus and if you observe closely you will find that there is no difference between southern states laws and old anglofagian common laws. Yes more then 1/2 of Gringostan has its owners in anglofagia.


Do you know what was queen doing in Virginia before anglo economy turned upside down??

[Albion]

It's not the people who are making the problems. It's being made by the hierarchies of the churches, the governments and the monarchies. It's the hierarchical system itself which corrupts nations. Layers of beaurocracy. Cardinals, popes, bishops, corporations, unaccountable elites, fraternities and hidden government. All uniting to impose a union on the people controlled by themselves. Using the monarchy, the 'English Common Law' legal system and of course, all loyal to Rome. That system of law is a hybrid.

The rulers of the British Empire scammed the American people at the time of their independence by keeping 'English Common Law' in use in America after they left. That 'English Common Law' was and still is the legal system of the British Empire. It's NOT the Common Law. And 'English Common Law' corrupts everywhere. Including Britain. In fact it corrupted Britain first. Stealing the Common Law away in 1066. The 'English Common Law' is a mixture of Roman Civil Law, Admiralty Law, and many other things. Which created in England after 1066 the feudal system of barons, taxation and payments to the pope in Rome. People have to know the difference between the real Common Law and the so-called 'English Common Law'. Because nobody is telling them. Not the legal industry, anyway. The Common Law is based on the Golden Rule. The 'English Common Law' is based on elites, on dynasties, on the people being controlled by government, instead of vice-versa.

Please listen to this for the first 4 minutes. The 'English Common Law' still today operating in the USA. Still to this day !!!! The law of empires, of the elites. Operating in the states.

The USA as we know it and its continued use of this 'English Common Law' instead of the Common Law is an inside job. And the great people of America are now realising it. The Common Law has always been their friend. The hybrid system of 'English Common Law' is destroying them, from within. Exactly the same is happening in Britain. So the legal industry claims to be helping the people when, in fact, it is serving its feudal master.