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Posted 13 April 2003 - 02:55 AM

Indrid,

Well I'm just telling you what I know. Me, Adrian and VA all tell each other what we do here in moderation. So call me naive, but I do trust these guys.

Atossa used to call stuff like this "pravda psyops"

...maybe it is :P
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#442 Adrian

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Posted 13 April 2003 - 06:27 AM

Jezman, thanks for info (about the poll)

Indrid, have you asked Duma if he maybe do the same as you do, clean up, if no replies? I'm NOT saying that Duma did it himself, but just that I am open for the option.
I've thougth more about the case, and....I deleted approx 30 postings of littercritter 2-3 weeks ago, that was pure spamming. He wrote "Test" or "Testing again" etc all over the board, so I erased them, and informed Littercritter about it of course. I remember that I removed few comments to the "test" posts, because it looked foolish when someone suddenly replyed to non-existing posts, and I informed the posters whos posts I removed. It was ONLY "Why are you testing" replies, that I removed though.
You know, it would be much more easy to discuss what happend, if we know what posts have been erased, and if you just ask the "victim" if he/she did it him/her self, or...if the postings were in the 4 days gap between the restored backup, and the mother of all pravda breakdowns.
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#443 Indrid Cole

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Posted 13 April 2003 - 06:36 AM

Adrian:
I actually do very, very little communicating with
anyone here behind the scenes. The extent of
most of PMs are usually to the effect of people
asking me if I'm "REALLY" a socialist--believe it
or not---as if that were some big skandal. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I am hoping that I've made enough
noise about the disappearing posts issue that it will
be inconvenient for the perpetrator, if there is one,
to continue to work un-notice. Like most Russians,
I don't do a thing with no purpose; if someone
sees me saying something; there is a reason.


Probably, for a while at least, I'm guessing the issue
of vanishing posts will mysteriously be resolved.
:)
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Posted 13 April 2003 - 02:43 PM

I just removed ashotinthedark's thread about me. I really hate removing threads that concern me but I have to draw the line when they are just spam and of an insulting sexual nature.
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#445 SmallMind

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Posted 13 April 2003 - 07:38 PM

Threads in this forum are much harder to disappear, which means they do go away due to system problems. It was well known about the old forum because they used btrive or one of those old database formats. Here it seems sql is much more stable but to see thread of similar topics dealing with a particular issue disappear from many different authors have to be deliberate.

Well it kinds of is suspicious when people also reply to a moniker which has never interacted before but get replies dealing with previous topics.

mind you all these are suspicions but when you have dealt with criminals for a while, you tend to shoot the 10 year old first for looking the wrong way and let god sort it out.
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Posted 13 April 2003 - 08:11 PM

>>I have to draw the line when they are just spam and of an insulting sexual nature.

Why? sometimes a rep has its advantages.
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 05:20 PM

I did not (I REPEAT), did not add any line to the poll.

When you originally bitched about the poll (which up to that point wasn't touched by me), I THEN EDITED THE DAMN LINE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE indicating it was an "Add-on Line" instead of what it stated (thinking that since you were accusing me of altering the poll by adding a line, that I would have fun with it with you). I stated as such to you, and indicated that I would delete the offending line if you requested it of me. Damn me for even getting involved with your poll after you originally complained, since you just can't seem to LET IT GO.

If I was editing /altering POLLS behind the scenes with any purpose (adding lines to polls), you wouldn't have known about it because I wouldn't have said a damn thing if I was performing subterfuge (and certainly wouldn't be doing it while posting in other threads at the same time leading people to suspect something). We are not idiots and you would lead others to believe that we are.

You can be sure that I will not touch a damn thing of yours again, even at your request (because I don't believe that there was any original altering and that you made this up just to see if you could cause issues with moderators, especially after your original complaints about Adrain and RRBum's banning). You can also be sure that if anyone complains about you or anything you post, that I will take it seriously since you seem to have this habit of over inflating what was essentially a non issue (to include your RRBum crusade after he was banned) and have the tendancy to not explain the entire issue (since you were very selective regarding what of my posts you shared with everyone here and not posting anything else regarding my explainations).

Am I upset? Absolutely, because you continue to waste my time on an issue already explained (and twisting it into your own fantasy of "moderators on the prowl"). AND, I have every right to be upset.
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 05:34 PM

I wasn't logged into Pravda all weekend, and the Admin's can check my log-in to confirm this (I was ill and didn't have the energy to deal with this).

The issue of disappearing threads rests with either the user (who may be doing this to call attention to a non-issue), or with the Administrators who are performing maintenance to the forum. (Adrian and I are in agreement with this possible scenario).

The moderators have a much higher moral backbone about moderating here and will announce when they ban or delete threads (and why).

As for your comment for JezMan to contact the Editors and Admins of the forum regarding deletions/altering etc...... the moderator group WELCOMES such emails to the powers that be. And when the Powers that be look at the logs and see that their moderators are not guilty of foul play, it re-inforces their opinion of us as fair. As for DUMA's threads disappearing, let DUMA contact those who administer this forum. Your inference that we had something to do with it is not helping and is further dividing the membership on this forum.

You will notice that the moderators are sticking together regarding these issues. That respect was earned between all of us and is not empty talk and blind allegiance. That is something you will have to learn if you hope to become a moderator.
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#449 JezMan

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Posted 14 April 2003 - 10:24 PM

Not so final comment to vikingamerican.

Quote:'When you originally bitched about the poll ...'EndQuote.

WRONG, vikingamerican (as usual). I WASN'T BITCHING, I was reporting, rightly, misconduct that happened to my post!
You arrogant piece of lowly person, you are AGAIN twisting the facts????

Once more! I WASN'T BITCHING.
I was merely informing moderator (who happens to be suspiciously around my altered thread!) about a misconduct made by an authority! NOBODY FROM ORDINARY POSTERS CAN ALTER A POLL!!!

Once more (for the Polish) NO ORDINARY PAWN IS ABLE TO RE MAKE ITS OWN POLL!!

BTW, what were you doing in that thread of mine? I very seldom see you in my threads !? :D

Quote:'I THEN EDITED THE DAMN LINE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE indicating it was an "Add-on Line" instead of what it stated...'EndQuote.

Hmmm, here we go. I like you here to admit you DID ALTER MY POLL!!!
Thank you , vikingamerican for your honesty to publicly admit it....

Quote:'thinking that since you were accusing me of altering the poll by adding a line, that I would have fun with it with you'EndQuote.

HAVE A FUN WITH ME???, vikingamerican??? Since WHEN do WE have fun together!??? I regard you as the low-class poster here on this forum and have no intention to cross my swords with you at all!! I am trying to avoid you!! (with you following me around and demanding answers to your stupid questions!)

WRONG! vikingamerican, wrong again (as usual!) YOU wanted to 'humiliate' me, use your power trip, your only gain in your life - your MODERATING IRON FIST!!! You only hiding it now behind pretending 'fun'. You know you cannot touch me by your silly posts, so you have chosen cowards tactic - make me angry.
Well you ran into a trouble vikingamerican.

Secondly, I'd like to explain to everybody the situation and time you chose for your 'fun'.

The American War was in a stage where it made EVERYBODY nervous. I mean EVERYBODY was affected by the fact there is illegal war going on and lot of lawlessness is in the air.
There was a banning on Pravda Forum that affected MANY 'locals' and created a lot of mixed feelings.
Thirdly, my post has been altered.
AND YOU, vikingamerican, HAVE CHOSEN THIS TIME TO MAKE FUN OF ME AND ALTER MY POLL FOR A SECOND TIME???
If you're not stupid you are at lease tactless. No other human being of average intelligence would touch ANYBODY'S anything under above stated circumstances. And being a moderator yourself, you SHOULD KNOWN BETTER THAN AVERAGE PAWN.
You did wrong!

Quote:'If I was editing /altering POLLS behind the scenes with any purpose (adding lines to polls), you wouldn't have known...'EndQuote.

Thank you for letting everybody know that in case you alter anybody's post they will be NOT INFORMED BY YOU, on the contrary, because Quote:'We are not idiots and you would lead others to believe that we are.'EndQuote. and Quote:'I wouldn't have said a damn thing if I was performing subterfuge'EndQuote.

Those above quotes speak for themselves.

Now we are coming to a very interesting part, vikingamerican - THREAT from you:
Quote:'You can also be sure that if anyone complains about you or anything you post, that I will take it seriously..EndQuote.
Have you learned this behaviour in the USA? Does this kind of powertrip and threatening make you feel big and strong? Do you come?
What is it , vikingamerican, that when I state misconduct and wrongdoing end-up as the accused instead as the victim?? Do you like to twist the fact to the point it suits only to you?? (the ones reading your posts know well the answer here ;))

You are lowly for me, vikingamerican, as I have proven YOUR wrongdoing, and I not only do not get apology, but I get to being threatened by you and accused that I have altered my own poll. How ridiculous, isn't it? Your fabrications are very similar to the ones used by your leaders and I am sure you are proud to follow their suit.

Quote:'Am I upset? Absolutely, because you continue to waste my time on an issue already explained.'EndQuote. YOU and only YOU have chosen the (your word) unthankful job of moderating. YOU have warned Adrian about the downfalls and YOU didn't know that moderating takes a bit of you? Strange.
I would think you do not wish to moderate much, you just wished for 'free trolling' badge to carry around and show to everybody who behave a little odd.
Go and sign for the 'blue power' you loser.

Quote:'and twisting it into your own fantasy of "moderators on the prowl'EndQuote
Wrong , vikingamerican, wrong AGAIN indeed. I do not twist things, and, please, watch carefully from which mouth it is coming from.

So far I got ZERO explanation, apology or/and commiserations for what I have encountered.

My poll have been altered. YOU happened to be around at that time. I was rebelling (you see, I can even help you here to downgrade myself with words I'd never use for my revolution ;)) against banning on this forum.
I have reported the altering to NEAREST moderator who happened to be on my thread at that time.

What I get? Fair?
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 11:29 PM

If I was to threaten you, I wouldn't do it here.

Instead, I chose to put you on notice that I would not believe anything you say or do based on your twisting of the facts concerning the 2 of us (from this point on).

If I was on a power trip, you would have been banned long ago.

I didn't admit to anything above that is new, I stated above what I had stated then. If you do a search of the entire evening, you'll notice I was very clear as to what was or was not done. You are just too high on your horse to see the "big picture".

I made you angry? Dude, you have no idea what angry means.

And I have treated you far better than you deserve.

And please remember Mr. High and Mighty one who looks down on me from a high perch...... you called for my banning directly and definitively. You are the one who calls others loser and stupid (amongst other comments). And you think yourself above it all?

You have some nerve to lecture anyone on their conduct in this forum. Physician, heal thyself.
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 11:31 PM

and you keep on making hay out of straw. It is what you are good at.:mad:

You failed to contribute anything in your post that indicated that I did as you state I did. I explained it in words and sentences even you should understand.

Apparently, English is not even your second language.
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 11:33 PM

VA,

Please clean out your mailbox! It's too full I can't send a PM :(
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Posted 14 April 2003 - 11:36 PM

:D
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Posted 15 April 2003 - 03:18 PM

VA and Plsek?
Get a room. sheesh.
*hides back under his rock*
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Posted 16 April 2003 - 02:03 AM

Adrian,

Good morning. Why I find ALL my threads ereased ?


Rgds


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Posted 16 April 2003 - 02:08 AM

Reven,

There was some technical problems a while back and the administrator restored the database. We lost about four days worth of threads I think. Many people lost their threads when this happened.
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Posted 16 April 2003 - 02:49 AM

by Reven and are still in the misc. Pravda Forums.

Can he be blind? You tell me!!!

Now, if he has a honest bone in his body, he will apologize here for stating an untruth about my deleting his threads in the following thread ---------------> http://engforum.prav...4200#post134200 . This is pure Trolling on his part, nothing more, nothing less.

Here is the Reven Rogues gallery of threads (which reside on MULTIPLE SITES):

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2102

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2302

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=6494

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2279

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=6665

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2098

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2099

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=3936

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=2101

And a couple of duplicate threads:

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=6668

http://engforum.prav...=&threadid=6667
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Posted 16 April 2003 - 03:38 AM

Good you pasted them in here. They only have been ereased from the search-program and it takes tremendous time to locate them.

Tks for pasting the url's = "progress"


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Posted 16 April 2003 - 03:50 AM

for stating I deleted your threads.:mad:

And the search program works fine. Consider the problem "user error".:rolleyes:
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Posted 16 April 2003 - 03:54 AM

Search on key-word "Reven" is working again.


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