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#1 aLibertarian

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 05:21 PM

hello all,

Kofi Annan, the secretary general of the United Nations, is one of the most dangerous men in the world, arguably more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.

Kofi announced a couple of days ago that if the United States proceeds with an invasion of Iraq without United Nations approval then the United States would be in violation of international law. Not only is this a dangerous lie, but it is one of the most revealing statements he could have made regarding the prevailing ideology in the UN.

Ole Kofi seems to think he is president of the world. The United States is a soveriegn nation, bound by the United States Constitution and empowered by the consent of the governed. As dark as this sounds, this is what the next big war will be over. The United States of America vs. the United Tyrants, err i mean Nations.

I am an atheist and a libertarian, and as a citizen of the United States of America, i excercise my right to criticize the U.S. government on a daily basis. The problems with this country can be tied to both the Democratic and Republican Parties.
The Democrats, or Socialists, are constantly attempting to impose economic slavery on the citizens of this country via a progressive(communist) tax system, and the Republicans are constantly trying to impose moral slavery on my countrymen by passing laws compelling us to all behave like good little Christians. Both of these parties are anti-American, if you understand the principles upon which this nation is founded (which few do).

That being said, the United States is, without comparison, the best nation on the planet. Our country was founded on libertarian (pro freedom, pro individual) principles. These principles are the best hope for everyone on earth, for a world of freedom and prosperity. Every one of us who cherishes freedom has a responsibility to encourage freedom, to empower the individual, and to oppose all who try and take away our freedoms.

No where on earth is a man as free as when he is in America, but that does not mean we don't have problems to deal with. Those problems pail in comparison to the problems citizens of other nations of the world face. The power hungry leaders of the world, like Hussein, Chirac, Annan, and the leaders of every theocracy and communist nation in the world care absolutely nothing for the individuals of their own nations, much less that of the rest of the world. To them people are just a resource. Even in our country George Bush, and every other politician could be labeled the same way. The difference is, here in America, our leaders are supposed to be bound by principles based on the love of indivual freedom. We have a rule of law which, although weakened by communist, socialist, and religous influences over the years, is still the best system out there, and the only beacon of hope for oppressed peoples around the world.

If Kofi Annan, and the rest of those two-bit dictators represented at the United Nation, had their way, the United States would cede its status as a sovereign nation and become a 'state' of the United Nations. The United Nations is not a governing body, it is a forum for consultation. Any chance the U.N. had of establishing itself as any kind of governing body went out the window with its cowardly, if not sinister, handling of Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destrution. Only two wars in history have been sanctioned by the United Nations security council, the Korean War, and the first Gulf War, and last time i checked both wars are still ongoing and both Korea and Iraq are bigger threats now than when we initially were justified in going to war. And no other member nation except the United States has ever even asked for approval from the United Nations. By letting the backwards, primitive nations of the world, who keep their populaces ignorant, impoverished, and desperate in order to maintain absolute power, have a say in the affairs of the United States and other freedom loving countries, we do a great disservice to not only our freedom, but the freedom of generations to come throughout the world.

The member nations of the United Nations will never have authority over the United States of America. While the United States has problems, these can still be fixed by educating people about individual freedom, limited government, low taxes, and the duty of all freeman to own a gun to protect these freedoms from foreign and domestic aggressors. The United Nations, however, is corrupt beyond repair. Its time has passed, like that of the League of Nations. I hope that the Security Council does vote, and that the French, Russian, and Chinese governments all cast their Vetos. We will also get to see where the rotating countries like Germany stand. Then when the Security Council Vetoes the new resolution, the United States of America will defy the will of those corrupt bastards and invade Iraq. There is even talk that we will suspend our membership to the United Nations. I for one will be throwing a party and buying the drinks for everyone i encounter for a week, if that happens.

Then once we get inside Iraq, and discover all the collaboration the French, Russian, Chinese, German, and North Korean governments have had with Saddam Hussein in helping him acquire and produce the weapons of mass distruction that these governments are now denying exist, we should permanently remove ourselves from the United Nations.

I will continue the fight here to make the United States of America a model for freedom for which the citizens of the rest of the world can use as inspiration to overthrow these machivellian dictators.

Its time for you to decide whether you are going to be one of the mindless sheeple of the world, to be manipulated and used as a resource by the powerful, or whether or not you have what it takes to be a FREEMAN.

thanks for letting me rant folks,

aLibertarian

p.s.
start listening to neil boortz or checking out his website, if you wish to learn more about libertarian philosophy and the world in general. that is if the particular country you live in will even let you get to his site. ;)

www.boortz.com

the darn Democrats in America are actually trying to get him off the radio here too! :rolleyes:
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#2 pearson

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 05:39 PM

I agree with most of your post, though some of the conclusions are not what I can agree to, yet...who knows.

I agree with you about most of the Libertarian philosphy (your atheism, too). Insofar as the US is concerned, a vote for a libertaran candidate is a sure vote for a Democrat. The system is set up for two parties, and Im not sure we can endure Democrat control for too long. And yes, Ive heard the argument that things have to get worse before they can get better, but I cannot agree that this is the way to go about it. I agree that other countries can certainly learn from Libertarian ideals (not to mention some of our own citizens).

BTW, I have enjoyed Boortz; he is a good man.

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#3 aLibertarian

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 05:59 PM

hey Brian, thanks for the response.

if you like boortz, you would probably love P.J. O'Rourke. He was one of the founders of National Lampoons, and was an editor/writer for Rolling Stones for years. He is one of the best satirical writers i have ever read. i mean this guy is so friggin funny you wouldn't believe it. He criticizes the Democrats and the Republicans with a skill i can only hope to attain someday. He has written numerous books.
One is entitle "Parliment of Whores", about the Dems. and Repubs. On the back of the book is a quote in which he says

"Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"

so true,

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#4 schlauchi

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 06:09 PM

a libertarian,

first of all welcome to the Forum. Have a nice and prosper Stay here.

I cannot agree with most of your statements. When I read it i feel like reading an article from a Writer of the White House.

Maybe this will be a good new job for you.

The USA has signed the foundation Charta of the United NAtions and therefore Kofi Annan has the damn Right to say the Thruth.

If the USA want to battle Irak without a Legitimation of the UN the War will be Criminal. This is a Fact.


Sure, the USA is a independent NAtion, but why does this Land of the Free doesn?t take other Democratic Countries for serious.

And the best Country on Earth. Maybe for a mediablindes couch Potatoe.

You have the highest Crime Level on Earth, the highest consum of Drugs, the most evidenced conspiracies on Earth, etc.

Must i say more.

Once the USA was a Country to be proud of. But this is long gone.

Maybe one Day every democratic Country can be proud of being a friend of the USA once again, but today the USA is the Enemy to anyone.

Not the Americanos, the Establsihment and the Government with their Boys behind. That is the Enemy, not you.


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#5 pearson

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 07:01 PM

Saddam Hussein is a big criminal. We have the right to go after criminals; we are not going after Iraq.

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#6 aLibertarian

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 07:17 PM

hello schlauchi, thanks for the welcome

technically the United States is still at war with Iraq. Saddam Hussein signed a cease fire to stop the first Gulf War. in the deal that Saddam Hussein himself signed, he had 15 days to turn over all weapons of mass destruction. According to international law, the United States was free to go back to war against Iraq whenever it wanted to, after those 15 days when Saddam refused to disarm. the United States has been trying to include the rest of the world in this process, more to be nice and give these nations a chance to participate in something legitimate. the United States is a soveriegn nation and requires no permission to act militarily from anyone, especially the United Nations. You should do some reading into the League of Nations, the predescessor of the UN, and the failure that experiment was.

as far as your statements about crime rates, here is a link to United Nation statistics on crime

http://www.uncjin.or...S/trc000927.pdf

clearly showing the United States does NOT have the highest crime rate, as a matter of fact, even Germany's crime rate is higher than the U.S.

as for consumption of drugs, im all about that, drug use should not be crime. maybe you should do more drugs, do a little research, and stop listening to that anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-Freedom Schroeder of yours.

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 09:21 PM

listen to it ! TURN ON SPEAKERS !

http://www.powow.com/shaiten/UN.htm

UN = who needs them..... USELESS bunch of hens.
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#8 pearson

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 12:58 AM

Saddam could have walked away. That would have satisfied the US.

Originally posted by azov
The real crime of the United Nations is that it dares tie the hands of the United States, preventing it from going out on a serial-killing rampage across the globe, beginning with Iraq.


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#9 GORDILL

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 04:07 AM

Name just one thing the U.N. has done in it's existance that was good for America/

Then measure the cost to America in money and lives.

Ditto for NAFTA. It was organized to protect Europe from the Soviet Union.

America should get out of both. Europe will honor both only so long as it is to their advantage to do so.
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#10 aLibertarian

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 08:10 PM

hey Gordill,

i must plead ignorance, in regards to your NAFTA statement. do you have any good links or leads as to where i can look for some solid info on the subject.

keep your fingers crossed, 'cause it looks like the United Nations is about to show itself to be 'irrelevant' and incompetent, and ole Bush, crazy bible thumping Christian that he is, may just have the balls to pull out of the UN.

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#11 schlauchi

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 08:47 PM

alibertarian,

thanks for the detailed info.

I prefer to equal the representative Statistics of the depending Countrys. So i have done it for Murder in 2001 USA vs Germany

Sources FBI Crime Record Statistic for 2001 and Bundeskriminalamt Kriminalstatistik 2001

Death Counts for Murder in 2001

USA Population 279.300.000

15.980

Germany Population 82.400.000

860


When you will level the count of the People to a factor of one you can see that the USA has a much higher Level of murder as Germany. the Reason can be found in the extrem restrictive civil weapon Law in Germany.

The Reason that Germany has a higher Ranking in the UN Statistic is that we have a mass of lower level crimes.

Thiefs, smugglers and traffic Crimes counts so high for Germany.

But in heavy Crimes unfortunally the USA is in first Place.

Sorry to say that but one major Reason is the liberal weapon Law in USA.

The Property of a illegal handgun causes in Germany a Penalty of up to five Years Prison without using it in a Crime or self defense.

Using a gun in a serious Crime such as bank robbery or hurting someone with a gun bring often ten Years Prison plus the Penalty for the depending Crime.
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#12 lolomarsei

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 03:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by schlauchi
[B]a libertarian,

first of all welcome to the Forum. Have a nice and prosper Stay here.

I cannot agree with most of your statements. When I read it i feel like reading an article from a Writer of the White House.

Maybe this will be a good new job for you.

The USA has signed the foundation Charta of the United NAtions and therefore Kofi Annan has the damn Right to say the Thruth.

If the USA want to battle Irak without a Legitimation of the UN the War will be Criminal. This is a Fact.


Sure, the USA is a independent NAtion, but why does this Land of the Free doesn
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#13 pearson

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Posted 16 March 2005 - 07:52 PM

Originally posted by schlauchi


But in heavy Crimes unfortunally the USA is in first Place.

Sorry to say that but one major Reason is the liberal weapon Law in USA.



The reason for the higher crime rate in the US is because of the black subculture in this country. They have a disproportionately higher crime rate than any other group, and most crimes are black against black.

If you were to subtract this group, our countries would be much alike re crime statistics.
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#14 lolomarsei

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 08:24 AM

no
not at all
your country is violent
no matter the race or religion

face it, solve it
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Posted 21 March 2005 - 02:34 AM

Originally posted by lolomarsei
no
not at all
your country is violent
no matter the race or religion

face it, solve it



That 30% of federal prisoners were foreign-born. They love the US so much, they want to "do business" here, I guess.
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#16 lolomarsei

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 09:21 AM

well, you're for immigration in usa, no?
it's part of your myth?
are the foreigners inmates here for offence, or coz they are illegal immigrants?
:-))
more:
foreigners are poor
poor go to jail
it's statistic
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Posted 21 March 2005 - 03:31 PM

Most people here are for immigration, but not illegal immigration. A high percentage of those are criminals.
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#18 lolomarsei

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 03:56 PM

like your grandparents?
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