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#41 Nemesis

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 11:10 AM

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 01:35 PM

For St.Russia!

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Donetsk never stay on the knees

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 11:31 PM

hey all :::::::::::

 

lets look at the puki uki ::::::::::::

 

 

Ukraine uses aviation, airborne troops against civilians in Slavyansk

02.05.2014 | Source: Pravda.Ru
 

 

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The Ukrainian army started a full-scale punitive military operation in the town of Slavyansk, the Donetsk region. The Kiev authorities used helicopters and airborne troops against civilians.

Units of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, the National Guards and Armed Forces are taking part in the special operation in Slavyansk.

"The Ukrainian authorities used helicopters and airborne troops against civilians. Armoured  vehicles cover the offensive of airborne troops. Combat helicopters of Ukrainian Air Force are hovering in the sky above Slavyansk. The town is completely blocked," a representative of the People's Militia of Slavyansk said from a checkpoint in the town center.

Acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov stated that the local militiamen respond to the troops, using automatic fire and heavy weapons, including grenade launchers and MANPADS. A pilot has been killed; several people have been wounded. According to the minister, Ukrainian law enforcers managed to capture nine checkpoints in Slavyansk; the town has been surrounded.

Representatives of Slavyansk defenders said that they downed three Ukrainian helicopters during the battles.

Kiev officials say that railway communication near the town of Slavyansk will be blocked in the next hour. At about 11:30 a.m., the punitive operation against the civil population of the town has been suspended. Most likely, the Ukrainian army took a break to regroup their forces.

Self-defense forces managed to shoot down three helicopters. According to them, one pilot was killed, another one was taken captive.

The head of the Security Bureau of Ukraine, Valentyn Nalyvaychenko, commands the punitive operation in Slavyansk. As reported from the General Staff, Minister of Internal Affairs Avakov was dismissed due to the failure of the first stage.

In addition to military and intelligence agencies, Right Sector fighters participate in the assault against civilians. They are tasked to regain control of the town in the next day at any cost.

The local population build barricades and say they are ready to stand up as a human shield against armored vehicles.

In one of the districts of Slavyansk, they blocked a bridge over the river. Many residents took to the streets to defend the town.


Should peacemakers be deployed in Ukraine?
 
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is it the question to send UN style peace keeers ???
yes certainly peace is peace.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:56 AM

Hi All, Great to see the forum up and running again! I’ve been writing on PRAVDA while the forum has been “off-air” my latest article is “The Secessionist Conundrum”.

Anyway, I’ve just watched a YouTube clip of Ukrainian troops  in Mariupol and for the life of me I cannot see how the West can turn Nelson’s eye to the crimes against humanity that are being committed by the Ukrainian forces – under command of the illegal Junta -  the West was quick to condemn the use of force against people in the Maidan [who were throwing Molotov cocktails and shooting at Police] yet they can remain silent over people who are obviously no threat at all, being shot my Ukrainian forces.  One such incident was clearly shown on this YouTube clip – a man was standing on the road, arms up in surrender mode and NOT obstructing the APV, yet he was shot  - why?

 

The use of force by an Army against it’s population is a crime against humanity – how much longer can Russia remain on the side-lines?


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 05:03 PM

Hi All, Great to see the forum up and running again! I’ve been writing on PRAVDA while the forum has been “off-air” my latest article is “The Secessionist Conundrum”.

Anyway, I’ve just watched a YouTube clip of Ukrainian troops  in Mariupol and for the life of me I cannot see how the West can turn Nelson’s eye to the crimes against humanity that are being committed by the Ukrainian forces – under command of the illegal Junta -  the West was quick to condemn the use of force against people in the Maidan [who were throwing Molotov cocktails and shooting at Police] yet they can remain silent over people who are obviously no threat at all, being shot my Ukrainian forces.  One such incident was clearly shown on this YouTube clip – a man was standing on the road, arms up in surrender mode and NOT obstructing the APV, yet he was shot  - why?

 

The use of force by an Army against it’s population is a crime against humanity – how much longer can Russia remain on the side-lines?

 

Hi All, Great to see the forum up and running again! I’ve been writing on PRAVDA while the forum has been “off-air” my latest article is “The Secessionist Conundrum”.

Anyway, I’ve just watched a YouTube clip of Ukrainian troops  in Mariupol and for the life of me I cannot see how the West can turn Nelson’s eye to the crimes against humanity that are being committed by the Ukrainian forces – under command of the illegal Junta -  the West was quick to condemn the use of force against people in the Maidan [who were throwing Molotov cocktails and shooting at Police] yet they can remain silent over people who are obviously no threat at all, being shot my Ukrainian forces.  One such incident was clearly shown on this YouTube clip – a man was standing on the road, arms up in surrender mode and NOT obstructing the APV, yet he was shot  - why?

 

The use of force by an Army against it’s population is a crime against humanity – how much longer can Russia remain on the side-lines?

Good to see you back on here,still no sign of some others of the old crowd like Digilinus and shablon,i am sure the Russian Military will already have a plan of action in place if they have to intervene,what it would take for that intervention I don't know.


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 02:15 AM

Attack on defenceless Mariupol was a revenge for the heavy losses near Slavyansk.

 

Today on night 11.06 ukro-nazi started to shell Slavyansk by artillery.

 

Received new lead from the front .

May 10 at the southern outskrrit of Slavyansk near Troitsky village two excavators dug several hundred wells to a depth up to 3 meters for burial mercenaries and nazi national-gurad fighters .

The losses of SBU ( special battalions "Azov " and "Dnepr ") and mercenaries from PMC. On 10 of May there are 300 people dead and wounded.

Most of the fighters lost are from the special battalion " Azov " during the retreat after an unsuccessful attack on Slavyansk, some of the bodies still lay in the fields and forests. The rest of deads are SBU and mercenaries.


The total loss in the Donbass punitive for 2-9 May 2014 :

- About 240 killed and wounded , among them:

- About 130 extremists are from the "Right Sector ", mainly employed in the national guard ; i.e. ukro-nazi;

- About 20 soldiers are from the 95-th airmobile brigade Zhitomir ;

- About 10 are polcemen ;

- About 60 SBU officers ("Alpha" unit from Sumy is completely destroyed , Kiev , Poltava , Ternopil , Ivano- Frankivsk "Alpha" have suffered a heavy losses);

- 20 CIA (13 killed, 7 wounded );

- 10 mercenaries : Polish PMC "ASBS Othago": lost 3 people , American PMC "Greystone": lost 7 persons (mostly Croats and a few Bosniaks) ;

- Seven military helicopters ("Mi- 24" and "Mi-8");

- 1 Hammer ;

- 1 BTR ;

- 1 BMP ;

People's Army captured nine armored vehicles .


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 03:43 AM

Attack on defenceless Mariupol was a revenge for the heavy losses near Slavyansk.
 
Today on night 11.06 ukro-nazi started to shell Slavyansk by artillery.
 
Received new lead from the front .

May 10 at the southern outskrrit of Slavyansk near Troitsky village two excavators dug several hundred wells to a depth up to 3 meters for burial mercenaries and nazi national-gurad fighters .

The losses of SBU ( special battalions "Azov " and "Dnepr ") and mercenaries from PMC. On 10 of May there are 300 people dead and wounded.

Most of the fighters lost are from the special battalion " Azov " during the retreat after an unsuccessful attack on Slavyansk, some of the bodies still lay in the fields and forests. The rest of deads are SBU and mercenaries.


The total loss in the Donbass punitive for 2-9 May 2014 :

- About 240 killed and wounded , among them:

- About 130 extremists are from the "Right Sector ", mainly employed in the national guard ; i.e. ukro-nazi;

- About 20 soldiers are from the 95-th airmobile brigade Zhitomir ;

- About 10 are polcemen ;

- About 60 SBU officers ("Alpha" unit from Sumy is completely destroyed , Kiev , Poltava , Ternopil , Ivano- Frankivsk "Alpha" have suffered a heavy losses);

- 20 CIA (13 killed, 7 wounded );

- 10 mercenaries : Polish PMC "ASBS Othago": lost 3 people , American PMC "Greystone": lost 7 persons (mostly Croats and a few Bosniaks) ;

- Seven military helicopters ("Mi- 24" and "Mi-8");

- 1 Hammer ;

- 1 BTR ;

- 1 BMP ;

People's Army captured nine armored vehicles .




The resistance is doing a great job.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:43 PM

Violence in Ukraine continues without a stop
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Unknown armed individuals seized a petroleum base in the Luhansk region of Ukraine, the press service of the regional Directorate of the Ministry for Internal Affairs said.

The attack took place on Sunday, May 11, in the afternoon. "Unidentified armed camouflaged men - about 15 people - seized the petroleum base in the town of Rovenky of the Luhansk region," officials said.

Circumstances of the accident are being established.

Meanwhile, the town of Krasnoarmeisk, the Donetsk region of Ukraine, declared mourning days on Monday and Tuesday to mourn the victims of violent clashes, local media reported.

On Sunday, armed military battalion "Dnepr" of the National Guards of Ukraine entered the town. Two people were killed in the clashes.

"To honor the memory of Kranoarmeisk residents, who were tragically killed, the days of May 12 and 13 of 2014 were declared the days of mourning," said the press service of the town council of Krasnoarmeisk.

 

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i must say that the people of donbas need help. it is not enuf to have big parades and celebrate victory day from the great patriotic war; we have a current patriotic war;

THE PEOPLE OF DONBAS NEED HELP.

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:25 PM

here is a good article which may get lost on another thread ---

 

About 400 elite mercenaries from the notorious US private security firm Academi (formerly Blackwater) are taking part in the Ukrainian military operation against anti-government protesters in southeastern regions of the country, German media reports.

The Bild am Sonntag newspaper, citing a source in intelligence circles, wrote Sunday that Academi employees are involved in the Kiev military crackdown on pro-autonomy activists in near the town of Slavyansk, in the Donetsk region.

On April 29, German Intelligence Service (BND) informed Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government about the mercenaries’ participation in the operation, the paper said, RIA Novosti reported. It is not clear who commands the private military contractors and pays for their services, however.

In March, media reports appeared suggesting that the coup-imposed government in Kiev could have employed up to 300 mercenaries.That was before the new government launched a military operation against anti-Maidan activists, or “terrorists” as Kiev put it, in southeast Ukraine.

At the time, the Russian Foreign Ministry said then that reports claiming Kiev was planning to involve “involve staff from foreign military companies to ‘ensure the rule of law,’” could suggest that it wanted “to suppress civil protests and dissatisfaction.”

In particular, Greystone Limited, which is currently registered in Barbados and is a part of Academi Corporation, is a candidate for such a gendarme role. It is a similar and probably an affiliated structure of the Blackwater private army, whose staff have been accused of cruel and systematic violations of human rights in various trouble spots on many occasions.

Among the candidates for the role of gendarme is the Barbados-registered company Greystone Limited, which is integrated with the Academi corporation,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “It is an analogue, and, probably and affiliated body of the Blackwater private army, whose employees have repeatedly been accused of committing grievous and systematic human rights abuses in different troubled regions.”

Allegations increased further after unverified videos appeared on YouTube of unidentified armed men in the streets of Donetsk, the capital of the country’s industrial and coalmining region. In those videos, onlookers can be heard shouting “Mercenaries!”“Blackwater!,” and “Who are you going to shoot at?

 

(FILES) A picture taken on July 5, 2005 shows contractors of the US private security firm Blackwater securing the site of a roadside bomb attack near the Iranian embassy in central Baghdad. (AFP Photo / Ahmad Al-Rubaye)

Academi denied its involvement in Ukraine, claiming on its website that “rumors” were posted by “some irresponsible bloggers and online reporters.”

Such unfounded statements combined with the lack of factual reporting to support them and the lack of context about the company, are nothing more than sensationalistic efforts to create hysteria and headlines in times of genuine crisis,” the US firm stated.

The American security company Blackwater gained worldwide notoriety for the substantial role it played in the Iraq war as a contractor for the US government. In recent years it has changed its name twice – in 2009 it was renamed Xe Services and in 2011 it got its current name, Academi.

The firm became infamous for the alleged September 16, 2007 killing of 17 Iraqi civilians in Baghdad. The attack, which saw 20 others wounded, was allegedly without justification and in violation of deadly-force rules that pertained to American security contractors in Iraq at the time. Between 2005 and September 2007, Blackwater security guards were involved in at least 195 shooting incidents in Iraq and fired first in 163 of those cases, a Congressional report said at the time.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:27 PM

here is a reply to the previous post which should not be lost on another thread ;;;;;;;;;;;;;

 

Posted Today, 06:24 PM

Mandrake, on 11 May 2014 - 9:54 PM, said:snapback.png

That would be funny if true. Unfortunately the "mercenaries" are probably just Ukrainian kids in the National Guard defending their country against their fathers.

Ukraine can't afford to pay Academi and we don't care enough about Ukraine to foot the bill. Maybe an oligarch has hired them if they are there?

BTW, there are former Spetsnaz in Academi as well. Mercenaries like money and use their skills for pay and have no allegiance.

 

@ mandrake :::::::::::

 

the blackwaters may be almost anyone. first it takes a certain lack of intelligence, then a certain inability to lead a normal life, and last it takes some military experience, some training.

these are the white guys who were afraid to go to lybia because of "too many blacks there" and the white guys who may have joined a white army in africa if the africans still allowed it.

these are from all of the little mini nations of eastern europe, especialy if their grand parents were some kind of nazis.

and many of them may be from south america if their grand parents were some kind of nazis.

and then any guys whose grand parents ever wanted to be nazis.

 

these are a bunch of nazis hired to be the future white alqueda.

THE FUTURE WHITE ALQUEDA

READ THAT AGAIN.

 

vlad


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:20 AM

ted Today, 07:43 PM

12 May 2014, 13:25

Radicals, army, heavy weapons used in Ukraine to disrupt referendums - FM Lavrov

 

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Radicals, army, heavy weapons were used in Ukraine to disrupt referendums, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. "The turnout was high despite attempts to disrupt the vote, including attempts to do so using ultra-radical militants, the army and heavy weapons against civilians. There were casualties," Sergei Lavrov said, commenting on Sunday’s referendums in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions after talks with his Ugandan counterpart Sam Kutesa.

Ukraine's roadmap prepared by OSCE not unveiled due to positions held by Washington, Kiev - FM Lavrov

The roadmap for Ukraine, which was prepared by the OSCE chairman, has not been unveiled due to positions held by Washington and Kiev, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Monday.

"We are convinced that this must be done as soon as possible. It’s a pity that some people in Washington and Kiev are against including [Ukrainian] regions in a dialogue. That’s why, despite our readiness, the roadmap prepared by the OSCE chairman, has not been unveiled," he said.

This is further proof of Kiev’s failure to "realize the need to engage in dialogue with its own people," Lavrov said.

Lavrov said he had heard Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia and White House spokesman Jay Carney saying that it was necessary to continue negotiations on Ukraine in the quadripartite format including the United States, the European Union, Russia and Kiev.

The OSCE proposals on Ukraine envisage the launch of a national dialogue along with investigations into crimes, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

"I am not sure it can be done in the near future, but we believe it is extremely necessary to call for a national dialogue on the basis of the proposals elaborated by the OSCE chairman," Lavrov said after meeting with his Ugandan counterpart Sam Kutesa in Moscow on Monday.

"This needs to be done simultaneously with investigations into the crimes that have been committed. It is also envisioned by the 'roadmap,' which is promoted by the Swiss chairmanship," the minister said.

"No new meetings on Ukraine have been planned as of yet but we would like the efforts to continue, without slowing down, and shortly materialize into a certain process, because another meeting in the quadripartite format is not quite promising," Lavrov said at a press conference in Moscow on Monday, according to Interfax.

Efforts to settle the Ukrainian crisis will go nowhere without the participation of opponents of the Kiev authorities in the dialogue, Lavrov added, TASS reports.

Russia calls for Ukrainian settlement principles agreed upon in Geneva to be realised in practical actions, Lavrov said.

"All key players agreed that main principles of settlement (in Ukraine) were agreed upon at Geneva talks on April 17 and now it is needed not to recur past events, but translate these principles in practical actions that conflicting parties should take," the Russian top diplomat said.

US Secretary of State John Kerry and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier are calling for direct dialogue between the Kiev regime and its opponents.

"Nothing will work without involving the opponents of the regime in a direct dialogue on solutions to the crisis, and the people I have talked to, including US Secretary of State John Kerry and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who call for the use of the Geneva principles in a direct dialogue between the Ukrainian parties," Lavrov said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has described as "an utter lie" the statement on the Donetsk People's Republic, which Facebook postings said he allegedly made.

"What you have quoted as part of my statement is a direct, utter and brazen lie," the Russian foreign minister said at a press conference in Moscow on Monday.

"I know that lies and half-truths - which are even worse than lies - are being actively used during the Ukrainian crisis by both the Ukrainian figures who have seized power in Kiev, and by their Western patrons. But they have never gone down to such a crude lie is this one before," Lavrov said.

"It looks like the mere silencing of facts is no longer sufficient for them - the truth finally makes its way into the open after all," he said.

"Much credit for this must be given to Russian journalists' intensive activity in very uneasy conditions, sometimes at a risk to their lives," Lavrov said.

Journalists read out at a press conference a statement, attributed to Lavrov, which describes the Donetsk People's Republic as "a terrorist organization that does not represent the interests of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine."

The fake statement also says that, "Russia will never recognize the Donetsk People's Republic's independence."

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:25 AM

Posted Today, 08:21 PM

Moscow not in rush to respond Donetsk People's Republic’s plea of accession

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Russia is taking its time before reacting to Donetsk People's Republic’s plea to consider its accession into Russia while calling for dialogue between Kiev and the eastern regions.

The Russian president’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov has told Kommersant newspaper Russia does not yet have a response to the plea.

Earlier on Monday the Kremlin’s press service issued a statement, saying: “Moscow respects the will of the people in Donetsk and Lugansk and hopes that the practical realization of the outcome of the referendums will be carried out in a civilized manner.”

It stressed the necessity of a “dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk.”

On Monday, Donetsk People's Republic proclaimed itself a sovereign state and asked Moscow to consider its accession into Russia, the Republic’s council said.

Earlier in the day, the results of referendums were announced in Donetsk and Lugansk Regions, showing the majority of voters support self-rule, amid an intensified military operation by Kiev which resulted in several deaths.

Experts on the issue have weighed in with their view on Russia’s response.

International legal expert Alexander Mercouris told RT that Moscow’s reaction was consistent with its previous policy on Ukraine.

“Moscow is following what has been its consistent policy right from the start, right from the moment when the coup took place in Kiev in February, which has been pressing for negotiations between Kiev and the actual true democratic representatives of the eastern regions in order to achieve constitutional change,” Mercouris told RT. “I do not think Moscow’s position has changed. But I think Moscow’s position may change in the future.”

International relations expert and senior lecturer at Moscow State University Mark Sleboda also told to RT that he does not view Moscow’s reaction as contradicting its previous stance.

“Moscow’s reaction to the referendum – they of course recommended that it be postponed, and they had a somewhat tepid reaction to it. But at the same time they did not completely disown it either,” Sleboda said.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 04:11 AM

Hi All, Great to see the forum up and running again! I’ve been writing on PRAVDA while the forum has been “off-air” my latest article is “The Secessionist Conundrum”.

Anyway, I’ve just watched a YouTube clip of Ukrainian troops  in Mariupol and for the life of me I cannot see how the West can turn Nelson’s eye to the crimes against humanity that are being committed by the Ukrainian forces – under command of the illegal Junta -  the West was quick to condemn the use of force against people in the Maidan [who were throwing Molotov cocktails and shooting at Police] yet they can remain silent over people who are obviously no threat at all, being shot my Ukrainian forces.  One such incident was clearly shown on this YouTube clip – a man was standing on the road, arms up in surrender mode and NOT obstructing the APV, yet he was shot  - why?

 

The use of force by an Army against it’s population is a crime against humanity – how much longer can Russia remain on the side-lines?

 

 

Kysusha, hello! I only found out today that the forum is back - I look forward to some interesting reading.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 11:21 AM

Hi  SuperJew and Wirehead and Mandrake - yeah good to be back among old friends - even if some of us have opposing views. 

 

I've been writing on PRAVDA.ru since the forum went down so most of my "interesting" comments are on that at the moment - the latest article is http://english.pravd...st_Conundrum-0/  I've done a trilogy on the Ukraine crisis 

 

http://english.pravd...aine_fireman-0/

 

http://english.pravd...114-riot_gas-0/

 

 http://english.pravd...ukraine_edge-0/

 

You might find them of interest. 

 

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:30 PM

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a very good and informative article;;

 

Ukraine: Odessa and Mariupol massacres expose true face of fascist Kiev regime
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Another tragedy with many human casualties occurred on May 9 in Mariupol, a major city on the Sea of ​​Azov, Ukraine. Killing civilians in Ukraine has become commonplace, but pro-Maidan media outlets report cynical lies about it. Yuri Nosovsky, a Pravda.Ru correspondent in Ukraine, decided to separate truth from fabrications.

How did pro-Kiev publications comment the Odessa massacre in the House of Trade Unions? According to the "official version", a few dozen (according to other sources - more than a hundred) anti-Maidan activists burnt themselves alive, gassed themselves, and prior to that, they tortured themselves in the basement of the building. Ukrainian Nazis only tried to "save more lives."

The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov and other representatives of the Kiev authorities gave approximately the same interpretation of the tragic events that took place on Victory Day in Mariupol. They stated that despicable "terrorists" (as well as "separatists", Russian agents and other "bad guys") staged an attack on the Mariupol police who were heroically defending "constitutional order." During the attack, they burnt the building of the city police department.

The real events are as far from this "hoax" as the Kiev junta is far from legitimacy.  In the morning of May 9, Kiev-appointed new police chief of Mariupol, Valery Androschuk, demanded strong action should be taken to prevent Victory Day demonstrations in the city. He allowed the use of military weapons to shoot demonstrators. Indeed, for the Kiev junta and its appointees, any meeting with the use of St. George ribbons is equal to "terrorism" and "separatism."

However, the newly appointed police chief did not take account of what Kiev officials were saying.  According to Interior Minister Avakov and "Acting President" Turchinov, "power structures in the Donbass region of Ukraine require radical cleansing - as local law-enforcement officers support ideas of separatism." To put it in a nutshell, police officers and internal troops in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions did not want to fight against their own compatriots for pro-Western and fascist ideas.

Sabotaging criminal orders from the self-styled government, police officers would quit their job. However, in Mariupol, the local protest of law-enforcement bodies evolved to a new stage - armed confrontation. It was Colonel Androschuk, who started it by shooting his subordinate, who refused to execute orders to kill peaceful demonstrators. Afterwards, the protege of the Kiev junta barricaded himself in his office and called National Guards for help. In Mariupol, there was a whole unit of them, who recently received an "award" from Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoysky for their loyalty to the Kiev junta - 500 thousand hryvnia.

The mercenaries arrived promptly on several armored vehicles. They were not alone - the militants of the "territorial defense battalion" arrived as well - the brainchild of the above-mentioned Kolomoysky and the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Infamous Verkhovna Rada deputy and presidential candidate Oleg Lyashko arrived in Mariupol too. Lyashko brought a group of his personal thugs, from whom he promised to create a "separate battalion." or, simply put, a death squad.

After quick negotiations, the police officers staying in the building of the city police department refused to surrender to the Ukrainian troops. The latter opened fire on the building from all sorts of weapons - 30-mm APC guns, heavy machine guns and grenade launchers. Lyashko was yelling into a megaphone: "The Russian Ivan, surrender! Who surrenders, will die easy death. Whoever does not - will die hard."

The defenders did not surrender and preferred to die in battle. In retaliatory fire, they destroyed several men of the National Guards, killed deputy commander of the battalion, Lt. Col. Demidenko, and wounded another high ranking official. Fearing resistance, Lyashko dumped his subordinates and went home. Thousands of citizens began to approach the police building, demanding the punitive teams should leave.

The troops finally made a few shots in the already burning building and opened fire on the crowd of unarmed civilians. They left the scene leaving their barracks, two armored personnel carriers and other weapons.

Valery Androschuk escaped from the burning building too. However, he did not manage to run away too far. He was caught by the angered people. Reportedly, the people lynched him: his body was found hanging from an aspen tree near the local airport. However, it was later reported that he was alive and allegedly exchanged or redeemed. However, no confirmation in the form of photos or personal interview followed before the morning of May 13.

Unfortunately, the victims can not rise from the dead. The exact number of victims varies, and probably is unlikely to be made ​​public in the near future. In fact, the Donetsk police subordinate to Kiev, and the head of the Interior Ministry Avakov denies the fact that National Guards participated in the shootings in Mariupol.

According to preliminary data from the militia headquarters of the city, on May 9, the Ukrainian troops killed 46 police officers and 143 civilians.

Thus, the first peculiarity of the Mariupol tragedy was armed resistance of the police  to the Kiev-appointed chief. Another peculiarity was a move from Ukraine's wealthiest man, Rinat Akhmetov, who literally joined armed resistance in Donbass.    Following the massacre in Mariupol, the official website of one of his companies, giant metallurgical holding Metinvest, posted a harsh statement.

"We urge to abandon the practice of conducting  large-scale battles in peaceful cities of Donbass with the use of the Armed Forces, heavy equipment and weapons. We believe that the Ukrainian military and other armed men must leave the city immediately. The possibilities for peace talks are not exhausted. The authorities still can and must hear the voice of the residents of Donbass. The authorities must ensure peace in the cities, so that people can live and work, so that normal urban life is restored. People should not be afraid to go out to work or walk with children - they should live the way they are used to, for which they have the right. Further military operations on the territory of Donbass will only make most people lose their trust and respect for the authorities. Metinvest Group offers to recognize the fatal mistakes committed in Mariupol and other cities of Donbass, withdraw the troops, engage in a dialogue with citizens, take urgent political compromise solutions to relieve social tensions."

Perhaps, the main sensation of the statement is contained in this paragraph: "To maintain order in Mariupol, Metinvest Group in conjunction with the municipal police creates militias from employees of metallurgical plants. Starting tomorrow, these squads will start to patrol the city to defend civilians from looters and criminals operating in the city."

One should not be fooled with the words "employees of metallurgical plants." According to experts, Akhmetov's private army in Donbas counts from two to three thousand well-armed and trained fighters. Thus, Ukrainian experts believe, Akhmetov responded to his longtime rival Kolomoysky, who forms and maintains death squads in Dnepropetrovsk.

In any case, the tragic events in Mariupol, that followed the blood-chilling tragedy in Odessa once again showed the world the true face of the Nazi regime in Kiev that is ready to shoot and kill civilians for the triumph of fascist ideas.

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Popular Rebellion Deepens in Eastern and Southern Ukraine as NATO and the Kiev Government Step Up Attacks

2014.5.13.Annis.Main.JPGA civilian watches as Ukrainian troops advance on Kramatorsk, near the pro-Russian stronghold of Slovyansk, Ukraine, May 3, 2014. Ukraine's security forces pressed their assault on pro-Russian militants in eastern Ukraine, even as the rebels freed seven European military observers held for more than a week as suspected NATO spies. (Photo: Sergey Ponomarev / The New York Times)

A political crisis over the future of Ukraine has exploded in the past two months. It's being driven by the longstanding efforts of the big imperialist countries to assert economic and military domination over the republics of the former Soviet Union and to weaken and marginalize rival Russia.

Ukraine is the latest target in the imperialists' sights. But they are running into profound resistance from the Ukrainian people, particularly in the east of the country. For reasons of Ukraine's history, economic makeup, languages and culture, the people in the east have moved far beyond the comparatively tame program of the earlier "Maidan" protests in Kiev and western Ukraine. They are flatly rejecting the austerity policies on offer from Europe's leading capitalist countries. They reject the drastic disruptions to their lives that would result if Ukraine becomes a vassal state of Europe's capitalist economy, as the country's ruling class wishes. A working class and popular revolution is deepening in eastern Ukraine, sparking the biggest political and military showdown in Europe since Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

A similar intervention is aimed at China, but it proceeds cautiously in view of the huge investments of western capital there and the role of China's capitalist economy as a "workshop of the world."

For all intents and purposes, the Kiev regime is surrendering the sovereignty of Ukraine. It has signed agreements for financial assistance from the IMF and other international financial institutions that demand cuts to public services and the salaries of public employees and that raise the prices of essential goods. Politically, the regime is increasingly captive to the far-right and fascist forces that rose to ascendance during the Maidan protest movement that ultimately overthrew an unpopular but elected government.

The stakes in this fight were described by Professor Aleksandr Buzgalin of Moscow University in an interview on The Real News Network on May 4 when he said that following the massacre of more than 40 protesters by fascists in the city of Odessa on May 2, "This is the beginning of civil war in Ukraine."

Pro-autonomy referendum votes in several regions on May 11 have strengthened the popular revolution's political hand. But the obstacles it faces are enormous. With time, class struggle in the east can inspire Ukrainians in other parts of the country to join a fight for an anti-austerity and pro-people political path, and a spillover effect will also grow in Russia. This article examines the situation facing the people of the Ukraine and the stakes for the rest of the world.

Military Campaign in the East

The Kyiv regime has been sending more soldiers, militia units and military hardware into the east, including tanks and helicopters. The focus of its attacks has been the city of Slavyansk and surrounding area. More than 20 resistance fighters have been killed in the city of 125,000 by snipers, assaults on rebel checkpoints and street fighting. Scores more have been injured. There are numerous reports of the army and militias shooting on unarmed civilians. Rightist militias are exacting revenge on citizens in the areas they seize.

But the regime is unable to retake the city. Four helicopters have been shot down by popular defense forces. And contradicting earlier news agency reports, two towns south of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Konstantinovka, remain in rebel hands.

Other cities in the east have also come under army and fascist militia attacks. Regime forces staged a provocation in the Black Sea port of Mariupol, south of Donetsk, during Victory Day ceremonies on May 9. They entered the city during the ceremonies in an attempt to seize the police headquarters building from local police. At least seven civilians were killed and the army and militias were driven out of the center of the city.

Victory Day is one of most important days of commemoration in Ukraine and Russia, marking the date of the final capitulation of Nazi Germany to the Soviet Union in 1945, ending World War II in Europe. The Kiev regime banned ceremonies this year in the areas under its control. That decision went unnoticed in international media, or if it was mentioned, Canada's public broadcasting station was probably typical when it reported that the measure was taken to protect public order from fanatical "pro-Russian separatists" (national radio news on May 8).


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"The reality is that Kiev's authority has vanished, probably forever."

Slavyansk is 100 km north of Donetsk-Ukraine's fifth largest city. Donetsk is the political center of the rebellion in eastern Ukraine. A people's republic was declared there on April 7, and popular forces have progressively strengthened their administration of the city.

The Donetsk declaration spurred further actions by local movements - occupations of more public buildings in more towns and cities and in some cases asserting control over policing and other local services. The city and region of Luhansk are exercising a similar "peoples power" autonomy. 

Many larger cities in the region, notably Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city, are presently living an uneasy truce within their borders. On April 30, Guardian journalist Luke Harding described the two most southern and eastern regions, Donetsk and Luhansk: "The reality is that Kiev's authority has vanished, probably forever."

A 37-year-old housewife, Irina, told Harding's colleague Harriet Salem in Slavyansk (northern Donetsk) on May 6, "It is impossible to turn back to Ukraine after the events in Slavyansk. We will not forgive the killing of our people."

In Mariupol on May 9, pensioner Nina Tuvayeva was watching the fighting and accompanying unruly behavior by some residents when she told The Guardian's Shaun Walker, "I'm against all of this, and I wanted a united Ukraine, a country that would be like Switzerland or Belgium, but they don't want that, so now our only hope is Russia. Ukraine is over."

But without outside intervention, prospects for the army and fascist offensive in the southeast, if not the rest of eastern Ukraine, are not strong.

Kiev's army in the east is bolstered by militias composed of members of rightist and fascist volunteers from the center and west of the country. That is fueling unrest all the more. A leading candidate in the presidential election scheduled to take place on May 25 wants more militias. Yulia Tymoshenko told Ukraine's ICTV television on May 4, "in the absence of a combat-capable army, in the absence of a combat-capable police service and the Security Service of Ukraine in the form in which we need them today, we need to rally people who are able to fight, we need to create a volunteer army." Tymoshenko has twice served as Ukraine prime minister.

But without outside intervention, prospects for the army and fascist offensive in the southeast, if not the rest of eastern Ukraine, are not strong. A defense commander in Slavyansk told The Guardian on May 5 that hundreds of men were signing up to join their ranks. "We can't even accept them all because we don't have enough weapons, for now," he said.

The leader of the Donetsk Peoples Republic, Denis Pushilin has announced that with the anticipated votes in Donetsk and Luhansk on May 11 in favour of autonomy, "All military troops on our territory after the official announcement of referendum results will be considered illegal and declared occupiers."

Massacre in Odessa

In Odessa, May 2 was a day of massacre at the hands of pro-Kiev fascists. A large crowd of rightists unleashed firebombs on the city's large trade union building in the city center. Protesters in favour of political autonomy had taken refuge at the building following earlier street fighting between pro-Ukraine and pro-autonomy crowds. An encampment in front of the building that was protesting the Kiev regime's austerity policies for weeks also came under attack.

Several hundred people escaped into the building from the rightist crowd numbering more than 1,000. Firebombs were then thrown into the building, and some rightists entered it to conduct a killing spree.

The left wing political group Borotba Union has published an eyewitness account on its website of the day's events, one of many such written and video reports. Extensive video footage and photos of the carnage are posted to the Ukraine Human Rights website.

Borotba Union member, Andrey Brazhevsky, was killed in the attack. He was one of several activists who escaped the fire by leaping from a window, only to be murdered by fascists outside waiting to pounce. Two female survivors of the attack who were inside the building told their stories to the Kiev Post.

Most of the rightists had come into the city from elsewhere in Ukraine on the occasion of a football match, spoiling for a fight.

Odessa is the third largest city in Ukraine, founded by Russian empress Catherine the Great more than 200 years ago. It is a multinational city with large populations of Russians, Jews, Georgians and Tatars. It is on the Black Sea and is Ukraine's main ocean port.

Ukraine Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk made a demonstrative visit to the city on May 4, supposedly to mourn the tragedy of two days earlier. But he used the visit to further the regime's propaganda war, blaming the massacre on Russia and "terrorists."

Al Jazeera reported from Odessa on May 4: "People walking around the building that was on fire on Friday are dazed and shocked by what happened," he said. "They reject the idea of Russian involvement and place the blame on the government in Kiev."

These appointments by Kiev of wealthy and corrupt capitalists as governors have further inflamed the situation throughout the east and south.

The regime is particularly incensed at a popular action in Odessa on May 4 that saw a large crowd break into the main police station to free people who escaped the massacre on May 2, but were detained by police. Sympathetic police stood by as the liberation of the 67 prisoners occurred. On May 2, police were ill-prepared for the fascist assault or were ordered to do nothing. They came to the rescue of people in the building after the firebombings.

The Washington Post reports that the regime has fired the top command of the police in Odessa and brought a new, 'special' police unit into the city from Kiev. The unit is composed of volunteer "citizen activists," that is, a far-right cadre. According to the same Post report, the government has changed the command of police forces in other cities and is forming yet more "special" police units.

The regime has also appointed a new governor of Odessa, Igor Palitsya. He is an associate of the wealthy financier Igor Kolomoisky, who was earlier appointed governor of Dnipropetrovsk region in the east. These appointments by Kiev of wealthy and corrupt capitalists as governors have further inflamed the situation throughout the east and south.

Police have been sympathetic to the popular movement in the east and have refused to carry out repressive acts. The same problem has bedeviled the regime with its army - soldiers are refusing to shoot fellow citizens. It's why the regime is turning to rightists and fascist volunteers to form militias and "special" police units.

The NATO political/military alliance is just fine with the Kiev regime's turn to violence, including recruitment of rightists and fascists to its repressive forces.

The east of Ukraine is heavily industrialized. More and more coal miners and factory workers are entering the struggle on the side of autonomy. Two groups of industrial workers in and around the small city of Yenakievo recently pledged to join the movement in greater numbers, including demanding that their enterprises (owned by a pro-Kiev right winger) be nationalized.

The Associated Press' Peter Leonard wrote on May 8, "Support for the [autonomy] referendum is most pronounced among eastern Ukraine's proudly Russian-speaking working class. Rage against the central government that came to power after months of nationalist-tinged protests is blended with despair over Ukraine's dire economic straits and corruption."

NATO backing of Kiev regime

The NATO political/military alliance is just fine with the Kiev regime's turn to violence, including recruitment of rightists and fascists to its repressive forces.

The alliance is backing the regime politically and it is moving troops and military hardware into neighbouring countries in eastern Europe. A planned NATO exercise led by the US  army will be held in Ukraine in July.

The German daily Bild reports that "dozens" of advisors from the FBI and CIA have flooded into Ukraine.

President Obama has endorsed the violence of the regime, telling a press conference in Washington on May 2 during an official visit by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, "We're united in our support for Ukraine, including the very important IMF program approved this week to help Ukraine stabilize and reform (sic) its economy . . .

"The Ukrainian government has the right and responsibility to uphold law and order within its territory . . . "

Borotba Union has published a detailed look at the composition of the new government that came into power in Ukraine in late February. The fascists of the Right Sector groupings share direction of three ministries - education, anti-corruption and national security. The far-right Svoboda Party controls the ministries of defense, prosecutor general, agriculture and environment.

Svoboda's Oleksander Sych is one of three vice prime ministers. The website of Prosecutor General Oleh Makhnitskyi of Svoboda says that "stopping displays of separatism" is a priority of his ministry. The ministry has also been busily releasing rightist prisoners accused of violent acts in Kiev and other cities.

Robert Parry of Consortium News has similarly analyzed the rightist background and allegiances of regime figures.

Mainstream media in the NATO countries are playing a key support role, all but ignoring the rise of fascism in Ukraine and presenting the whole situation as a result of "Russian aggression" and fanatical, "pro-Russia separatists."

But visiting Kiev on May 6, British Foreign Secretary William Hague told the BBC, "The idea that some extremists have taken over here is far, far wide of the mark."

"They [Ukrainians] cannot be bullied out of having their elections [on May 25] by disorder that is deliberately fomented and coordinated from another country - in this case from Russia."

NATO countries are also stepping up a propaganda war. They have spent billions of dollars on "democracy promotion" intervention in Ukraine in the past several decades. The military alliance describes the political aspirations of eastern Ukraine as "chaos" and falsely accuses Russia of stoking the movement and aiming to weaken Ukraine, if not annex it.

Mainstream media in the NATO countries are playing a key support role, all but ignoring the rise of fascism in Ukraine and presenting the whole situation as a result of "Russian aggression" and fanatical, "pro-Russia separatists."

A welcome respite from NATO propaganda is provided by US academic Nicolai Petro. In a new article on May 8 titled "Six mistakes the West has made (and continues to make) in Ukraine," he writes, "If the West appears confused by Russian actions in Ukraine and unable to find an adequate response to the crisis, it is because from the outset, it has misread the situation, transforming an essentially domestic dispute into one that threatens the security architecture of Europe."

The aim of NATO military moves and its propaganda war is to increase pressure on the popular movements to back down. It is also aiming to pressure Russia not to support the rebellion. Russian support is vital. There are looming shortages in the east of funds as well as all sorts of supplies, including fuel and medicines. Kiev has tightened restrictions on passenger and freight transport by air and rail into the region.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been one of the most bellicose NATO voices. He used a visit to Ottawa on May 5-6 of NATO's supreme commander, US Gen. Philip Breedlove, to sound off once again, saying Russian President Vladimir Putin is mounting a "slow-motion" invasion of Ukraine.

Canada is doing its own "slow motion invasion" of Ukraine.

Breedlove was in Ottawa for two days during the annual gathering of the Conference of Defense Associations. At a press conference on May 6, he accused Russia of "agitating the situation in eastern Ukraine."

He says NATO is aiming for a "robust presence" throughout Eastern Europe that will last until at least the end of next year. When asked if NATO will establish a permanent troop presence in member countries in the east, he said, "I think this is something that we have to consider." He would not say in which countries he intends foreign troops to be based. 

Canada is doing its own "slow motion invasion" of Ukraine. It has sent six fighter aircraft and a large contingent of support personnel to Romania, a warship to the eastern Mediterranean and soldiers to Poland.

A thorny problem with which NATO and its fledgling regime in Kiev is wrestling is Ukraine's reliance on Russian gas for its energy supply. The New York Times describes one elaborate scheme that the alliance is working, which is to reroute Russian gas bought and delivered to western Europe back to Ukraine via an aging pipeline connecting Ukraine and Slovakia. But the Times describes a glitch in that plan - for reasons unknown, at least to the Times reporter, Slovakia is not keen to facilitate the scheme.

Among the many dangers from this conflict to people in neighbouring countries is this one: Ukraine has 15 nuclear reactors dating from the era of the Soviet Union. The largest nuclear reactor in Europe is on the Dnieper River, a little north of Crimea. There are four reactors at Chernobyl, in northern Ukraine, destroyed in the 1986 nuclear disaster that are still leaking radiation and still requiring critical, ongoing maintenance.

Fascist and rightist gangs are making it impossible for left-wing parties and movements to engage in open political activity in the center and west of the country, including campaigning in the May 25 election by candidates of the Communist Party and Socialist Party (full list of election candidates here). The left wing, Borotba Union group has been forced to close its public offices in Kiev and many of its members there have relocated to eastern Ukraine for their personal security. The group called for an international day of anti-fascist action in solidarity with Ukraine that was taken up in several countries in western and central Europe.

In a telephone interview from Ukraine, left-wing writer and editor Dmitry Kolesnik said the situation in Kiev is very dangerous for left and working-class activists. On May Day, anarchists tried to hold a traditional rally but had to change locations several times due to threats of violence by fascists. In the end, the rally could only take place on the outskirts of the city.

Kolesnik is an editor of the left-wing website Liva ("The Left").

Prospects

On May 7, Russia offered several conciliatory gestures towards the NATO countries, including pulling back troops from near the Ukraine border and urging the movement in eastern Ukraine to postpone plans to hold autonomy referendums on May 11 in the regions under their direct control.

The Russian move helped lift some pressure off the rebel movement. NATO exposed itself when it immediately responded in saying "not enough." But the Russian counsel did not deter the holding of the referendum. Denis Pushilin said the planned referendums would proceed. "Civil war has already begun. The referendum can put a stop to it and start a political process."

Russian socialist and writer Boris Kagarlitsky has penned a series of piercing articles on events in Ukraine that help to anticipate what lies ahead.

In a lengthy essay on May 1, titled "The Logic of a Revolt," Kagarlitsky examines the background to the political conflict:

He concluded:

Discontent had long been building up in the south-east, and the final drop that caused the cup to spill over was the dramatic worsening of the economic crisis that followed the change of government in Kiev. After signing their agreement with the International Monetary Fund, the authorities decreed steep rises in the charges for gas and medicines. A social explosion became inevitable. In the west of the country and in the capital, growing indignation was restrained for a time through the use of nationalist rhetoric and anti-Russian propaganda. But when applied to the inhabitants of the east, this method had the reverse effect. Trying to douse the fire in the west, the authorities poured oil on the flames in the east.

Of the respective roles and interests of Russia and the Kiev regime, Kagarlitsky wrote in mid April, in an essay titled 'From The Maidan to the revolution?':

The Geneva agreement [between Russia and the US /Europe on April 17, intended to "deescalate" the conflict] will not be implemented. How can anyone force people to carry out such an agreement when these people have just begun to feel their strength? When tanks turn tail and run from them? When they are able to bring army columns to a halt simply with catcalls and obscenities? The people will not surrender their positions just because important gentlemen in Geneva, without asking anyone actually on the spot, have taken it on themselves to decide the fate of others.

On May 3, he wrote in "The Fate of Donetsk is Being Decided in Kharkov" that the movement in the east needs to develop a radical social program and keep up its forward political motion to have a hope of victory. He counsels against faith in Russia's solidarity:

Official Moscow has let it be understood, in no uncertain terms, that it makes no claim to Ukraine's rebellious provinces. This is not a diplomatic move and not a concession to the West; more correctly, it is a step dictated, among other causes, by a desire to avoid any escalation of a conflict that has far exceeded the bounds of anything the Kremlin finds convenient or manageable. Unlike Crimea, where everything was controlled and where, after two or three demonstrations, the transfer of power was carried out by the local elite, in Donetsk and Luhansk, we are witnessing the elemental force of a popular movement, which it is simply impossible to manage from outside . . . 

The new Ukrainian authorities in turn are faced with an extremely unpleasant dilemma. The disturbances in the south-east can only be crushed with the help of the far-right Right Sector organisation . . . 

Here we find the real challenge before the Ukrainian revolution: The future of Kiev and of the country as a whole depends on whether the masses of ordinary citizens, the everyday folk who shortly before were alien to the passions and problems of the Maidan, are able to move into political action.

If the masses rise up, neither the Right Sector nor the political adventurers who rode to power on the preceding wave of street protests will stand a chance. This will mark the beginning of a new, democratic politics - not only in Ukraine, but in Russia as well.

The insurgents are convinced that all they need to do is to hold out for a certain time, and Russia will then come to their aid; if this does not take the form of direct military intervention, some other mechanism will be found . . . Unfortunately, every passing day since the beginning of the revolt has shown how illusory these hopes are . . . 

A broadening of the social base of the uprising will depend on its program, on the goals and slogans that it advances. Against the background of an inexorably worsening economic situation, only demands aimed at satisfying the urgent needs of the masses can serve to mobilise the huge numbers of people who now sympathise with the rebel republic, but who are not ready to stand beneath its banner . . . 

In conditions of revolutionary crisis, moderation ceases to be a pragmatic virtue . . .  If the revolt shifts to a more radical course, the authorities in Moscow will be forced to beat their breasts and voice their approval. In the same way, they were obliged in the case of Latin America to come to terms with Hugo Chavez, even though the social measures being implemented in Venezuela caused them no particular delight.

Kagarlitsky says the popular revolt does not need a full-blown, anti-capitalist revolution in one swoop to make progress:

The situation in Kiev is very dangerous for left and working class activists.

It is perfectly possible to put forward an anti-oligarchic social program today, and such a program does not even have to be exclusively left-wing or socialist. It is enough to call for nationalisation of the property of those Ukrainian oligarchs who have openly associated themselves with the Kiev regime, and to demand that these assets be directed toward the solving of social problems, toward investment in health care, education and the development of infrastructure.

The aforementioned article by Nicolai Petro proposes political measures that would ease political tensions and armed clashes.

 Conservative writer Anatol Lieven writes similarly in the New York Review of Books on May 6:

"What all this reveals is something that should have been blindingly obvious ever since Ukraine became independent in 1991 and that is deeply rooted in Ukrainian history: Ukraine contains different identities, and cannot be ruled unilaterally by one of them alone, or pulled in a single geopolitical direction, without risking the breakup of the country itself . . . 

". . . events in the east and in Odessa make clear that a Ukrainian state that defines itself purely in pro-Western and anti-Russian terms is also out of the question, because a great many Ukrainians will not tolerate this . . ."

Deepening class and social struggle in the east, and throughout Ukraine over time, however, will limit the effectiveness of political agreements that do not simultaneously address the burning social needs of the population. Ukraine's standard of living is considerably lower than that of Russia and other neighbouring countries.

"The western media says the whole story here is Russian aggression, but the reality is that the Ukraine government is on a path of civil war."

Dmitry Kolesnik says the military crackdown by the regime will continue, and he voices similar views to Kagarlitsky in saying the rebels cannot afford to rest on part gains. "The rebels need to act on a radical and progressive program - nationalization of key industries, expand social programs and democratic participation by citizens, and so on. It will be difficult to hold onto the regions they control. But the successes they achieve will influence people in Russia and Ukraine and win greater support."

He says video news coverage of events is very important so the world can see what the Ukraine government is doing. "The western media says the whole story here is Russian aggression, but the reality is that the Ukraine government is on a path of civil war."

Yet to weigh in on the events in Ukraine are the working class and progressive movements in Europe, North America and the rest of the world. They have a decisive role to play in acting in solidarity with the social revolution in Ukraine and stopping those who would drown it in blood. It is vital that they act. Revolutionaries in Ukraine and Russia are appealing for solidarity and it is vital that progressives around the world join their appeals for:


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:28 PM

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Vladimr Budney in a few seconds

hello friends :::

recently
i read an article about the possibility of new laws and procedures
regarding national alliances. such new laws and procedures should help
to bring us peace.

sounds very
good. it seems that such laws should have already existed. if ukraine
is a nation which originates by becoming free from a previous national
alliance, then the free ukraine should continue this freedom to all of
those who are ukrainian. that is to say; if ukraine may be free from an
absolutist monarchial russia, if ukraine may be free from a
constitutionalist monarchial russia, if ukraine may be free from a
democratic and capitalist republic of russia, if ukraine may be free
from a capitalist and social-welfare state of russia, if ukraine may be
free from a socialist federation of russia, if ukraine may be free from
whatever it may want; then all of the inclusive communities of ukraine
may be free from whatever they may want. if kiev may be free from
moscow; then kharkiv may be free from kiev, donetsk may be free from
kiev, lugansk may be free from kiev, odessa may be free from kiev, and
crimea may be free from kiev. if kiev does not want to be part of a
geo-economic greater russian federation; then why must donetsk be forced
to be with kiev. what if donetsk wants to be part of a geo-economic
greater russian federation ?is it not best to be part of the oil-rich
russian federation? vladimr.
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spktruth200 an hour ago

Today the people of eastern Ukraine proved "democracy works". The neo Nazis neo cons in Kiev no they lost, and the neo cons running our Congress/and State Dept, are just days away from understanding their lies and deceptions didn't work either...Thanks to alternative media, the people of this country no longer believes the lies told to us by corporate media...Victoria Nuland should be investigated...for her role in disrupting Ukraine, and letting these neo Nazis take over...lets investigate that instead if dumb Benghazi.

 
 
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Poechewe 2 hours ago

The picture of Exxon's president with President Putin is about all I need to know about the games being played. The man love these two exhibited are like a couple of old long lost right wingers in the oil industry who have found one another.

The "genius" Putin has gambled on the success of his oil and gas empire and has done little to improve the economy of Russia. In the meantime, Europe is turning towards alternative energy and away from dependence on oil and natural gas, the very thing Putin gambled Russia's fate on.

The foreign policy of Russia throughout history has been that of a nibbler. This is Putin to a T. But it's not about land. It's about guaranteed customers for a dying gas and oil empire.

 
 
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    Thorvington Finglethorpe 2 hours ago

    So, if I may: A faction arms itself, takes to the streets, and sets up a "competing government." What would your response be? ESPECIALLY given the fact that the terrorists in the streets align themselves politically with the regime that was just deposed for stealing billions from Ukraine's coffers to line his own pockets AND for MURDERING several hundred protesters with police commando squads.

    It's all fine and well to see "Eastern ukraine deserves to choose its own fate" but it is entirely different to say "And they should do so, immediately, through violence and shady connections to aggressive fascist neighbors rather than politically" is where it seems like you've crossed a line.

    Your narrative is collapsing, though: The sham referendum (where neither of the options on the ballot were "maintain the status quo") drew a minority of citizens to the polls. The vote wasn't legitimate in any sense of the word, and Russia's fingerprints are all over this entire operation--from the heavily armed "citizens defense brigades" (a euphemism for Russian special forces after a quick shave and uniform change) to the sham/rigged elections it screams Vladimir Putin.

     
     
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      dixi3150 Thorvington Finglethorpe an hour ago

      Why do you bother to comment? You have obviously been so indoctrinated by the Western propaganda, you cannot see a snake until it bites you. Keep your fascist comments for the Western press, it will surely be appreciated. On this site we like to hear the truth.

       

       

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      Thorvington Finglethorpe dixi3150 an hour ago

      We know why you bother to comment: You're a paid shill for the fascist pig, Putin and his criminal cabal. Is the pay good? Do you get a percentage of what they loot out of Ukraine, or just a straight-salary?

       

       

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      Saint Jimmy Thorvington Finglethorpe 2 hours ago

      Well, NO, democratic FAN BOY. What IS collapsing is the reputation of the US world wide, as well as the stupid a$$ Obama and criminal neoconservative attempt to steal a country. Your propaganda doesn't cut it anywhere any longer. We ALL know what stupid a$$ criminals, thieves and murderers make up BOTH parties, the DOD, and big banks. Take your lying a$$ elsewhere.

       

       

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        Thorvington Finglethorpe Saint Jimmy an hour ago

        You do know that those two things aren't mutually exclusive, right? That the US' declining reputation in no way justifies the armed invasion of Ukraine by an aggressive neighbor who then attempts to legitimize the invasion with sham referenda.

        As to your attempts to devalue my (totally legitimate, totally true) arguments with name-calling: You lose! I'm neither an American nor pro-American empire.

        Try again, Russian-shill.

         
         
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        Saint Jimmy Thorvington Finglethorpe an hour ago

        Russia did not invade Crimea, you fuckin' idiot. You are obviously a TROLL and apologist for murderous democrats, republicans, and big bankers. **** YOU. Rot in hell, PIG. You are an imperialist pig.

         
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          Thorvington Finglethorpe Saint Jimmy an hour ago

          We should just ignore the armed special forces in the streets of Crimea--it is just a coincidence that entire units of Spetsnaz "chose to travel to Crimea" at the exact same time--and bring their military-issue automatic weapons--and "Chose to take up arms for Crimea."

          Absolutely ludicrous. Only someone with the mentality of a child would believe there was no invasion.

           
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          Saint Jimmy Thorvington Finglethorpe 42 minutes ago

          No sense in arguing with a PAID TROLL. What are you? DOD? Little party fan boy? Obama Groupie?

          How pathetic.

           

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#59 Kysusha

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:40 AM

Attack on defenceless Mariupol was a revenge for the heavy losses near Slavyansk.

 

Today on night 11.06 ukro-nazi started to shell Slavyansk by artillery.

 

Received new lead from the front .

May 10 at the southern outskrrit of Slavyansk near Troitsky village two excavators dug several hundred wells to a depth up to 3 meters for burial mercenaries and nazi national-gurad fighters .

The losses of SBU ( special battalions "Azov " and "Dnepr ") and mercenaries from PMC. On 10 of May there are 300 people dead and wounded.

Most of the fighters lost are from the special battalion " Azov " during the retreat after an unsuccessful attack on Slavyansk, some of the bodies still lay in the fields and forests. The rest of deads are SBU and mercenaries.


The total loss in the Donbass punitive for 2-9 May 2014 :

- About 240 killed and wounded , among them:

- About 130 extremists are from the "Right Sector ", mainly employed in the national guard ; i.e. ukro-nazi;

- About 20 soldiers are from the 95-th airmobile brigade Zhitomir ;

- About 10 are polcemen ;

- About 60 SBU officers ("Alpha" unit from Sumy is completely destroyed , Kiev , Poltava , Ternopil , Ivano- Frankivsk "Alpha" have suffered a heavy losses);

- 20 CIA (13 killed, 7 wounded );

- 10 mercenaries : Polish PMC "ASBS Othago": lost 3 people , American PMC "Greystone": lost 7 persons (mostly Croats and a few Bosniaks) ;

- Seven military helicopters ("Mi- 24" and "Mi-8");

- 1 Hammer ;

- 1 BTR ;

- 1 BMP ;

People's Army captured nine armored vehicles .

 

 

Anyone got a reference/source or link for this information??


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 06:14 PM

On-line a lot of info:

 

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/


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