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#1 aLibertarian

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 09:55 PM

simple question.
c'mon, all you anti-american, anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, anti-semitic disinformation spreaders, you gotta have at least one country that is better than the United States.

please give me the name of the country, and why you think it is better than the United States of America. i'll be the first to admit there is room for improvement here, but we are at least a couple steps ahead of everyone else.

c'mon, bring it on.

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#2 Source

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Posted 12 March 2003 - 10:06 PM

anywhere i am is better than anywhere you are.
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Posted 13 March 2003 - 12:49 AM

Without any reservation CANADA
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#4 GORDILL

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 04:13 AM

Breathes There A Man

"Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned,
As home his footsteps he hath turned
From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored , and unsung"
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#5 mataj

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 08:52 AM

My.
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#6 Agnostic

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 01:27 PM

Khalida took my breath away.
America is a great country which has the misfortune of having a moron heading it, albeit temporarily. We hope there is a regime change in America soon and the Democrats come back.
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#7 Tokyoman

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 02:08 PM

Australia is pretty good. Good economy, strong democracy, plenty of space, small population, excellent education, welfare and health care system, friendly people, relatively low crime rate, good climate, generally liked around the world. It has it`s problems of course, but Australians think of it as the Lucky Country.

PM Howard probably isn`t the best leader though form a diplomatic stand point.
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#8 aLibertarian

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 05:23 PM

lol, thanks for the replies all.

chornyvolk says Canada, but gives no reasons. i'm not saying their country isn't great and all, but try and go see the doctor, or get an MRI. in America, if i want an MRI i can have it done this afternoon, whereas in Canada, with their ultra-socialist healthcare system, you have to wait at least a month, if your lucky.

Thanks for the poem Gordill, was beautiful. who wrote it, might i ask?

mataj says Slovenia, but also gives no reasons. honestly, i'll have to plea ignorance, don't know much, but would love to hear about Slovenia and what its like there.

khalida, you have made sweeping generalizations about the minds of my countrymen. i ask you how you know the thoughts and feelings of others, that is a neat trick. you also said if americans were more humble and had more interest in the world, we would know which things the other nations of the world do better than us.

IM ASKING YOU, Khalida. for the sake of argument lets say i don't know these things. Tell me one or two things other nations of the world do better than the United States of America.

you state 'many countries does better with many issues'. TELL ME ONE, specifics please.

and i, obviously, must not be one of these Americans you keep speaking of, 'cause i sure as hell know whats going on in the world, and am even now trying to broaden my awareness, as well as yours.

yo, Agnostic, while i dislike the Rebulicans, the Democrats are by far much more dangerous. i equate the Democrats with the Socialists/Communists and the Republicans with the Taliban. Since Democratic policies always equate to higher taxes, that makes them more dangerous than the silly Christians Republicans, who want us all to go to Church and not do drugs, have wild sex, or anything else the prudes disagree with.

Taxation is the basis for all power of every Government that has ever existed. Bigger taxes = bigger government = government has more resources to control your life.

your agnostic so your obviously an open minded dude, i am an atheist myself. you need to do a little more research into your political orientation, maybe look into libertarianism, sure beats the heck outta anything else out there.

nice tits azov. if yours really look anything like that we need to get together for a little conversation. wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what i mean, know what i mean. ;)

as for Australia, i never met an Aussie i didn't like. got no real problem with them, except of course the whole socialist bandwagon they are jumping on. oh yeah, and the fact that you can't own a GUN in Australia, which is about the stupidest friggin thing i have ever heard of. Australia also has the good fortune of not having to spend very much on their military budget, since the United States military keeps the world safe, thus leaving more money for them to spend on domestic things. of course, this is the case with all the democratic (i hate that word) countries of the world.


thanks again for ya'lls time, but TokyoMan is the only one who gave me any specific reasons.

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#9 Tokyoman

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:09 PM

"And the fact that you can't own a GUN in Australia, which is about the stupidest friggin thing i have ever heard of."

That is indeed stupid because it is untrue. You can own a gun in Australia.

The argument about the cost of the US military is a bit weak when you calculate it as a percentage of total US GDP. It is true that Australia is reliant on the US for defence at an international level, though debatable on a regional level. Like I said Australia is not perfect, but compared to a lot of problems experienced by the States and Europe, it`s close.
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#10 GORDILL

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:27 PM

I learned the poem many years ago in High School English class. It has remained with me since then.

It illustrates the point that the greatest nation on earth for any person is their native land. The place they were born and grew up.

Mine is America. And I love my country. Visiting Canada, Manitoba in particular, returning to the border I could see our flag, Old Glory, flying from the American Customs station, and felt a surge of pride. It was saying "Welcome Home Yank!"

I would guess the same is true of any person returning to their home land.
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Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:33 PM

Been around a bit & can vouch for Australia being right up there with the best as far of lifestyle & standard of living go.
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#12 Tokyoman

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:50 PM

Good post Khalida. I spent a bit of time in Aalborg and Copenhagen and I must say Denmark is a damn fine country too.
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Posted 13 March 2003 - 06:56 PM

Australia is interesting, but the down side is they are in the path of the expanding bloody borders of Islam.

Denmark is cool too but who can immigrate there?
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#14 puzzledude

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 07:09 PM

New internationalist listed Denmark as the worlds number 1 in donating foreign aid, per % GDP.

I also believe Denmark is among the top in immigration per capita.
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#15 aLibertarian

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 07:14 PM

tokyoman,

you are indeed right, some people can possess certain firearms. but is few people and few types of guns who qualify. almost all long guns (shotugns and rifles) have been banned, no citizen of australia is allowed to possess a gun for self-defense, hand guns have to have really long barrles on them, so they can't be concealed, and all semi-automatic guns have been banned. if you do manage to qualify for something other than a single shot pea shooter, you have to go through mountains of beaurcracy and red-tape, and even when that is done, you either have to permanently disable the gun or join a shooting club and attend regularly or they take your gun away. citizens are not allowed to buy and sale guns, the transaction must be handled by a gun club.

so the ban on guns in Australia is not total, yet, but is dangerously close.

check out these links,

http://www.law.gov.au/handguns

http://www.afp.gov.a...unLicencing.xml

if you dont own a gun, you are a fool. besides being fun, and useful for killing bad guys, unless you as a citizen are willing and able to pick up a gun, you are not really free. the ultimate check and balance on goverment tyranny is an armed citizenry. about 20 times last century, the same sort of legislation was passed in countries throughout Europe, Germany, Czech, etc. and in each one of those countries within a couple of years of collecting all the guns from the citizens, those damn fools were rounded up and marched off to concentration camps, by soldiers with guns. millions of jews were executed at the hands of a few, cause the few had guns. this is one of the painful truths about the world we live in.

now excuse me while i go grab my cowboy hat, a joint, a bottle of whiskey and my .357 magnum and go outside and fire off a couple of rounds. :)

yeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww,
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#16 aLibertarian

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 07:40 PM

good point, GORDILL.

Khalida,
please link to these statistics you speak of. we all need to get in good habit of verifying these kinds of things.
I am all about abortion rights for women. as far as im concerned, until the mother pops that baby out of her body, it is still here body, and she should be able to do with it whatever she wants.
as for 'free abortion' there is no such thing. any time the government gives something away for free, they had to overtax another citizen to pay for the cost.

and here is a link to United Nations statistics on crime, clearly showing the Canucks have always had a higher crime rate than us Yanks. almost twice as high. only a few countries, like Denmark, actually have a higher crime rate than Canada.

ill have to find a link for you but im pretty sure there was less gun violence per captica in the Ole Wild West in America, when everyone was drinking whiskey and carrying a gun,
than in most countries today.

sorry if i sound defensive folks, not trying to offend just converse. im just really passionate and really outnumbered. :)

hey puzzledude, Denmark doesn't have to buy stealth bombers or trident submarines. when you calculate such numbers, i think its only fair to add the United States military budget to our foreign aid total, which makes us the top contributor. after all, denmark and all other democratic nations, wouldn't even be a free nation or have any extra money to give away if not for the U.S. military. they would, at least, have to spend more money on defense if we didn't have their backs. as far as immigration, the are the top when it comes to Muslim immigrants, which buy the way, has really boosted your crime statistics up a bit. word on the street in denmark is that as soon as they import enough Muslims, they are going to use the electoral process(vote) to institute Islamic law in Denmark. They will probably have the numbers within 5 years. say bye, bye to religious freedom, alcohol and seeing girls skin in denmark.

c'mon Khalida, i never claimed to have profound wisdom. i am merely in search of it, thus this healthy conversation.
:D

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#17 aLibertarian

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Posted 13 March 2003 - 08:30 PM

lol, you should be a politician Khalida!

you have an innate ability to talk a whole lot without saying anything.

i challenged you to prove the statements that you made because they are not true.

sorry, i forgot to incluce this link in my last post

http://www.uncjin.or...S/trc000927.pdf

read that, which states that not only does Canada have a higer crime rate than the U.S. but that Denmark has one of the highest crime rates in the world.

i like to deal in facts Khalida, which you obviously are not concerned with. however, if you are as sexy as your picture, i just might forgive you. ;)

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#18 God-n-Country

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Posted 14 March 2003 - 03:22 AM

From: "LET'S BE PERSONAL" Broadcast June 5, 1973 CFRB, Toronto, Ontario


Topic: "The Americans"
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped. The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes. Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke. This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over, has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

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This was true in 1971, and it is true today.
Americans want to help everyboy.
No we aren't perfect or the best at everything.
But we do have the most important things.
We want to share.
We want all other countries to allow people to enjoy the same rights we do, the same standard of living.
You don't want trouble when you have too much to lose.
So what should we do.
We are damned if we help, damned if we don't.
Every argument has 2 sides.
And like aLibertarian says, facts are king.
Fact, America has delivered to the world more wealth, health, and knowledge than anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

I personally think America should start offering statehood to any country that wants it.
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Posted 14 March 2003 - 04:09 AM

No other country has the balls to do what is
expected of ours! We fight their wars, support
their military and feed their children. Then
those same children spit in our face! Others
will always despise those who are the haves.
The havenots wouldn't have it any other way!:cool:
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Posted 14 March 2003 - 04:15 AM

Originally posted by aLibertarian

now excuse me while i go grab my cowboy hat, a joint, a bottle of whiskey and my .357 magnum and go outside and fire off a couple of rounds. :)



aLibertarian, I think the US is a fine country and I'm not moving out any time soon. Even though I don't have any guns except my Constitutionally protected muzzle-loading rifle. And a little .22.

As to others, I think England and Canada are fine. Mexico is actually pretty good if you can steer clear of the drug lords and cops. I haven't been anywhere else and will not presume to judge. My wife likes Denmark, Sweden, Norway, France.

As to leaders I would trade Bush for Blair any day. Blair may be a warmonger but he's at least articulate. Chirac is just as big a baby as Bush.

EU countries have a better social safety net but generally slower growth than US. You pick your poison. "Better" depends on what you're looking for.

As Gordill says we tend to prefer the land where we were born and raised.
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