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#1 Mandrake

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 11:57 AM

Alexander Motyl
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So which is it? Is Ukraine a hotbed of fascism, as the Kremlin and its supporters insist? Or is it a tolerant democracy, as Kiev and its supporters insist?

The issue is important to sort out since members of the new Greek government, including Prime Minister Tsipsas, have suggested in the recent past that the new government in Kiev has neo-fascist links that harken to memories of World War II. And that has been the view often promoted by the Kremlin from the outset of the conflict.

Although there are often two sides to a story, in this case, there really isn't. The Kremlin is dead wrong, and even though Ukraine isn't quite the consolidated democracy that its government says it is, the country is certainly far more democratic now than it was just over a year ago. And, despite some zigzags, it is becoming more democratic with every day.

Let's start with a brief discussion of what fascism is and then ask whether any of Ukraine's present or past government fits the bill.

WHAT IS FASCISM?

Fascism is often used as an epithet, especially by the left, but it actually is a perfectly respectable academic term that refers to a particular type of political system. Everyone can agree that fascist states are authoritarian -- that is, they lack the fundamental attributes of democracy. Unlike democracies, fascist systems lack meaningful parliaments, judiciaries, parties, political contestation and elections. In fascist systems, as in all authoritarian systems, parliaments are rubber-stamp institutions, judiciaries do what the leader tells them, opposition parties are marginal and electoral outcomes are preordained.

Like all authoritarian states, fascist states are highly centralized and hierarchical, they give pride of place within the power structure to soldiers and policemen, usually secret policemen, and they always have a supreme leader. Indeed, there can be no fascist state without a supreme leader. Like authoritarian states, fascist states limit freedom of the press, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly; and espouse some form of ethnocentrism glorifying their nation and their state and their fabulous past, present and future.

But fascist states are not just run-of-the-mill authoritarian states. The latter typically connotes images of dour old men ruling a sullen population. Fascist states exude youth and vigor, and they always implicate the population in its own repression. Fascist leaders strut. They want to appear youthful, manly and active: they are machos, par excellence. They also appeal to those qualities in the population, usually co-opting the young into their movements or parties. No less important, fascist states are popular: they incorporate the population into the system of rule, promising it a grand and glorious future in exchange for its enthusiasm and support.

Not surprisingly, fascist states tend to sound and act aggressively. The soldiers and policemen that run fascist states have a natural proclivity to toughness and weaponry. The ethnocentrism appeals to national and state glory, and cult of vigor sees enemies everywhere. The machismo-based cult-like status of leaders encourages them to pound their chests with abandon. And the population's implication in its own repression leads it to balance its self-humiliation with attempts to humiliate others.

Seen in this light, Franco's Spain, Pinochet's Chile and the Greece of the colonels were really just your average authoritarian states. So, too, is today's China. In contrast, Mussolini's Italy was clearly fascist, as was Hitler's Germany and Atatürk's Turkey. What of today's Ukraine?

I trust the question answers itself. Ukraine has a tri-partite government structure characterized by an independent presidency and parliament and a semi-independent (though corrupt) judiciary, a vigorous multi-party system, fair and free elections -- most recently, of both president and the parliament -- a free (if sometimes irresponsible) press and protection of human, civil and minority rights. Of special importance is the fact that Ukraine's government is run by civilians only and that its president -- Petro Poroshenko -- has none of the strongman features that a fascist supreme leader promotes via a machismo-based cult of personality. Last but not least, Ukraine has not pursued any of the repressive policies associated with fascism. Oppositions, minorities and marginal groups thrive, civil society is strong, and, if anything, Ukrainians accuse the government of being too weak -- and certainly not too strong.

Ukraine is far from a consolidated democracy. Its democratic institutions are young and weak; its commitment to democratic practices has not yet stood the test of time. Police, judges and politicians are often corrupt, and bad policies are frequently adopted. These faults make Ukraine a flawed democracy, possibly a very flawed democracy, but they do not come anywhere near to making it a fascist state.

IS UKRAINE RULED BY FASCISTS?

Supporters of the Ukraine-is-fascist argument might say that Ukraine is not fascist, but its rulers are fascists who want to establish a fascist system of rule. Alas, this claim is absurd.

Poroshenko and his predecessor, Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, are obviously not fascists. None of the current cabinet members has anything resembling fascist credentials. The government that succeeded the corrupt Yanukovych dictatorship in late February 2014 consisted of 19 individuals: only two (Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh and Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych) were members of the right-wing Svoboda party and one, the Secretary of the National and Security Defense Council Andriy Parubiy, had right-wing ties until 2004.

In early 2014, Svoboda had 38 seats in Ukraine's parliament -- out of a total of 450. Svoboda's leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, had run for president in the 2010 elections that brought Yanukovych to power and received 1.43 percent of the vote. He ran again, in the presidential ballot of May 25, 2014, and received 1.16 percent. Dmytro Yarosh, head of the right-wing Right Sector, received a mere 0.70 percent in 2014. In the October 26, 2104, parliamentary elections, Svoboda and the Right Sector got, respectively, six seats and one seat.

Tyahnybok has made some anti-Semitic and anti-Russian statements in the past but his language and behavior changed significantly during, and as a result of, the Maidan Revolution that ousted Yanukovych. He has since attempted to position himself as a moderate nationalist.

Svoboda's approach to ethnic relations has been termed fascist but in point of fact it is strikingly similar to official policy in Estonia, Latvia and Israel. In effect, Svoboda aspires to create a "lite" version of what Israeli scholar Oren Yiftachel calls an "ethnocracy," a system of rule within which the titular nation holds a position of dominance over the other nations inhabiting the land, such as Estonians and Latvians vis-à-vis Russians or Jews vis-à-vis Palestinians. As the Baltic and Israeli examples show, ethnocracies can be democratic, but they're obviously not as democratic as liberal democracies and, with their penchant for hierarchy, can easily violate the civil rights of minorities.

Although Tyahnybok has gone on record praising Israel for the fact that all its parties are nationalist, Svoboda does not call for disenfranchising minorities in the manner of the Balts and Israelis. Instead, it supports a radical affirmative-action policy that would decisively promote Ukrainians and their language and culture within all spheres of the Ukrainian state and restrict citizenship to ethnic Ukrainians, everyone born in Ukraine and foreigners who speak Ukrainian. It goes without saying that Svoboda is anything but liberal (its representatives often deride Ukrainian liberals as "liberasts" -- a combination of liberal and pederasts) and that its ranks also include genuine anti-Semites, xenophobes and racists (the openly neo-Nazi ideologue, Yuri Mykhalchyshyn, comes to mind). But their relative presence in the party is probably no greater than that of Russian supremacists and Ukrainophobes in Yanukovych's Party of Regions and the Communist Party of Ukraine.

Svoboda's socio-economic program, which is a mishmash of socially conservative, capitalist and socialist elements and often reads like a Tea Party document, is pretty much irrelevant to its supporters. It is not surprising that the party has done next to nothing in the provincial councils it controls in western Ukraine. Svoboda has neither implemented xenophobic policies nor bothered with economic issues. What they have done is engage in the shrill, anti-establishment, populist rhetoric that got them elected in the first place. Their inactivity is probably due to their ingrained preference for street politics, their absence of economic knowledge and their paucity of intellectual skills. In the first and second respects, the nationalists resemble Ukraine's Communists. In the second and third, they resemble the Party of Regions.

The Right Sector, meanwhile, only emerged during the Maidan Revolution. Its members have indeed been among the foremost anti-Russian and anti-Yanukovych militants who then manned the barricades. Since then, they have actively participated in volunteer battalions in the fighting in eastern Ukraine. There are probably no more than a few hundred or a few thousand members, and their support within the population at large is under one percent. Interestingly, Yarosh, their leader, has criticized Svoboda for being anti-Semitic, while one of Right Sector's leading activists is a practicing conservative Jew.

In sum, the right-wing presence in Ukraine's post-Yanukovych government has been so slight as to be virtually invisible.

WHY PUTIN CALLS UKRAINE FASCIST

So why, then, do Putin and his supporters see fascism ablaze in Kyiv? There are several reasons for this bizarre charge.

First, as the above characterization of fascism's key features should have suggested, the country that possesses all of them is not Ukraine -- but Putin's Russia. Its democratic institutions are at best moribund, having been transformed into pliant tools of the Kremlin; civil society and the press have been severely circumscribed; representatives of the military and secret police dominate all ruling elites and suffuse them with their antidemocratic ethos; the Russian nation and state are unabashedly glorified; Putin is the undisputed leader, and his macho image exudes vigor, youth and manliness; a variety of rabidly pro-Putin youth groups act as the vanguard of the state; the population overwhelmingly supports Putin and has done so since he assumed the presidency; ethnocentrism, a mistrust of both internal and external foreigners and a corresponding glorification of Russia's past (including its criminal Stalinist period) and present are the official worldview; Russia has taken to asserting its "rightful" place in the sun by engaging in war against Georgia and Ukraine.

It makes a great deal of sense for Putin and his propaganda apparatus to accused Ukraine of the very crime that he has committed -- so as to deflect world attention from his own transformation of Russia into a repressive state.

Second, the Kremlin needs to insist that Ukraine's democrats are fascists because it insists that Yanukovych was a democratic leader. Yanukovych was corrupt and dictatorial. He was rapidly closing down Ukrainian civil society and transforming the parliament into a rump institution, but he was too incompetent and too comical to be able to project the he-man image that Putin had perfected. Since the Kremlin refuses to acknowledge the right of people to oust tyrants, it has to insist that Ukraine is ruled by a "junta" -- which is just shorthand for fascism. According to this logic, Americans had no right to rebel against King George, and the government led by Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton was nothing but a junta!

Finally, the Kremlin's insistence that democratic Ukraine is fascist goes back to old Soviet -- as well as tsarist Russian -- stereotypes of Ukrainians who insisted on their democratic and/or national rights as traitors, agents of imperialism, capitalist stooges and, of course, fascists. Ironically, continued use by Putin and his supporters of such terminology demonstrates just how deeply they are still ensnared in Stalinist political culture.

The bottom line is this: Putin has transformed Russia into a fascist state. Ukraine ousted Yanukovych in order to avoid becoming fully authoritarian. The war Putin unleashed against Ukraine is his way of telling Ukraine that fascism and democracy are incompatible.
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#2 mataj

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 01:08 PM

The definition of fascism is very simple: Merger of state and corporate power (Mussolini).

 

The most accurate way of recognizing the fascist states is to follow the money. The defining characteristic of fascist economy are private profits, and public losses (Gaetano Salvemini). IOW, it's socialism for the super rich, while everybody else has to compete on the market.

 

Huntas installed by the USA always were fascist. Had Kiev hunta been an exception, it would be the 1st such case in the known history.

 

Anyway, whether it's called fascist or not, ethnical cleansing of Donbas, shelling of civilians there- that's not acceptable, period, paragraph, end of story.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 01:09 PM

This is bullshit from beginning to end and you know it.  You should pile this junk in one thread, but by creating new threads you avoid the evidence that is posted there.  Now am I supposed to go fetch all the pictures of people murdered by the Kiev Nazi regime and all the Ukrainian Nazis?  You know this bastard is lying without a conscience whatsoever.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 01:19 PM

Nah, Kiev is really a showplace of freedom and demoncracy.  The monsters in Kiev are really good guys, right?

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 02:01 PM

This is what your democratic "ukraine" does to hospitals (3 reported killed)

 

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#6 Mario Milano

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 02:05 PM

Urrgghhh,,,,Nulands demorazy.....that F ucking Yats and Poroshenko  need to be swinging by their necks Jew bastards...what was wrong with Ukraine before the CIA installed those Jew scumbags in their orchestrated coup?

 

F ucking hell I hope Poroshenko doesn't get away with this shit and escape to Israel when his Ceaușescu time comes


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 04:47 PM

hey mandrake ::::::

 

i know motyl, he is an isolationist uki nationalist and because of that he becomes a fascist.

 

the truth here is simply this.

 

the ukrainian republic is not fascist; because the ukrainian repuiblic has been overrun and expelled from kiev by the galician fascist junta.

it is the galician fascist junta and all of their neo-nazi allies who are totaly fascist.

 

anladinizmi.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 04:51 PM

Galician Junta prevents Russian refugees from leaving Donbass inorder to exterminate them.

04.02.2015
 

 

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OSCE experts noted in their investigation report that on January 27 residential quarters of the city of Luhansk were shelled from Smerch volley fire systems, Deutsche Welle reports.

According to the OSCE, traces of damage on buildings is comparable to the damage that is commonly caused with shrapnel elements of cluster munitions, the report published on the website of the organization on February, 3rd said.

Observers found a hole in the roof of one of the houses. The house, they said, was apparently struck with a cluster bomb. In addition, members of the OSCE mission found fragments of missiles that were also characteristic of cluster munitions.

The observers suggest that the attack was conducted with the use of "Smerch" 9M55K 300-mm caliber missiles. Noteworthy, a Smerch munition contains about half a million of strike elements.

Near one of the buildings, the observers examined a crater, the diameter of which was about four meters. The crater is three meters deep. According to the OSCE mission, the crater was formed as a result of the explosion of a "Smerch" missile. It is assumed that the shelling was conducted from the north-northwest.

 
 

Two people were killed in Luhansk on January 27 as a result of an artillery attack. Two others remain at hospitals with severe injuries.

Donetsk was shelled last night as well. Ukrainian security forces opened fire from various types of arms, including howitzers. Nothing has been reported about possible victims yet. The Ukrainian troops shelled the city and suburbs at least 25 times in 24 hours, the Rossiiskaya Gazeta reports.

 

Eduard Basurin, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry of the People's Republic of Donetsk, said that the National Guard opened fire on civilians deliberately, preventing them from leaving the combat zone."

UN concerned about humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine

The United Nations is concerned about the fact that Kiev prevents the delivery of humanitarian supplies and medicines to civilians in the Donbass, as well as the evacuation of civilians from the zone of the military conflict.

According to the report of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, there are problems with the delivery of humanitarian assistance to residents of the breakaway regions in the combat zone in the east of Ukraine.

In addition, the UN is concerned about the decision of the Kiev authorities to impose restrictions to access the zone of the military operation.

Earlier, the United Nations suggested the parties to the conflict in the Donbass should enter "humanitarian truce" to give residents an opportunity to leave the war zone.

Noteworthy, Ukrainian refugees can escape only to Russia, as Ukrainian checkpoints do not allow residents of Luhansk and Donetsk enter the territory of Ukraine.

Pravda.Ru


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 05:23 PM

here are some comments from the front page.

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    vladzo в 20:20 04 февраля
    to mr. cambell :::: my comments were clearly addressed to the pravda.ru administartion and translation department; NOT TO YOU. you are not an east european and you know nothing about all of this. HOWEVER, you could learn to understand if you are actually british. all of the ukrainians are actually russians; they are a part of greater russia. in the same way as all of the british are actually british. YES; as you do know, all of the irish and welsh and scots and english are actually british and it is best for all of them to be part of one greater economic unit. this is my second message with the same comments.
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    vladzo в 20:10 04 февраля
    hey -- where is my first reply to david cambell
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    vladzo в 19:37 04 февраля
    to administration and translation :::: you are constantly having problems with vocabulary and the english speech. here are a few much better titles for this article. -1- GALICIAN JUNTA PREVENTS DONBASS REFUGEES FROM ESCAPING INORDER TO EXTERMINATE THEM. -2- GALICIAN JUNTA STOPS DONBASS REFUGEES FROM ESCAPING. -3- GALICIAN JUNTA IS MAKING GENOCIDE IN DONBASS. -4- GALICIAN JUNTA IS KILLING DONBASS REFUGEES. your first problem is that you are supporting the galician junta by calling them "ukrainian". they are not the legal ukrainian government. your second problem is in trying to say too much in one headline type title. in conclusion you must learn to make shorter titles which do not help the enemy. please do not remove this posting. vladimr
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    David Campbell в 19:27 04 февраля
    the world has heard enough of your stupid propaganda it is actually quite amusing now  seeing how desperate putin has become, your days in ukraine and crimea are numbered, ussr is dead long ago, victory and freedom to ukraine, nato membership will follow freedom to georgia, chechneya and all other invaded territories.. 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:05 PM

Novorossiya has made a choice: it will never be the part of Ukraine

Posted By admin on 04.02.2015

 

Donbass will not be able to return to Ukraine, even if autonomy would be offered”, – says the Vice-speaker of the DPR Parliament Denis Pushilin.

 

“After Kiev began to use American methods of warfare, after the West in fact already started to provide the Kyiv authorities with lethal weapons, it is unreal to talk about it,” he said in an interview.

 

Denis Pushilin does not exclude the possibility and necessity of introducing the peace-making continent on the basis of the OSCE and the Russian Federation to the Donbass in order to prevent engagements and skirmishes. But it would be possible to discuss only after the ceasefire.

 

“After all that have happened in the region, it is impossible to talk about any common political space with Ukraine,”  – continued Pushilin.

 

“And any comparisons with Russia and Chechnya do not suit here: the Ukrainian authorities at the Donbass provide power struggle against the civilian population, they do organize a real genocide. Indeed, during the Chechen operation Russia haven’t stopped the payment of pensions and the funding of local authority budgets.”

 

After Putin had offered the assistance to the Ukrainian men of military age in getting asylum in Russia, the similar offer was made by Igor Plotnitzkiy.

 

He assured that the country is willing to accept peaceful citizens of Ukraine who want to come to LPR.

 

“We are not fighting with people, there (in Ukraine) are a lot of our relatives, friends. And we will accept those who come here voluntarily ” – assured Plotnitzkiy.

 

“I’ll say even more: we will not call them up for military service . They can live, restore the economy, provide help. We already have people for fighting,” – said the LPR head.

 

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:32 PM

This is bullshit from beginning to end and you know it. You should pile this junk in one thread, but by creating new threads you avoid the evidence that is posted there. Now am I supposed to go fetch all the pictures of people murdered by the Kiev Nazi regime and all the Ukrainian Nazis? You know this bastard is lying without a conscience whatsoever.



It's difficult to identity the players without Putin's program ;)

So... help me out here.

Is the Kiev government "Nazi" or "jew" ??

The utter confusion is interesting... especially when it involves Ukraine,
the cradle of Holy Rus... and a key region in the human drama played out
involving bolsheviks, Stalin, Hitler, WW2. It is not mere coincidence that
here at the end of the age... another human drama again plays out.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:42 PM

It's difficult to identity the players without Putin's program ;)

So... help me out here.

Is the Kiev government "Nazi" or "jew" ??

The utter confusion is interesting... especially when it involves Ukraine,
the cradle of Holy Rus... and a key region in the human drama played out
involving bolsheviks, Stalin, Hitler, WW2. It is not mere coincidence that
here at the end of the age... another human drama again plays out.


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They are both zionist jew and Nazi, Atossa.  Perhaps you haven't read the book, "Hidden History of Zionism" by Ralph Schoenman.

 

Get this:

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:47 PM

The history of Zionism - largely suppressed - is sordid.

Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands.

When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies - at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.

Simon Petilura was a Ukrainian fascist who personally directed pogroms which killed 28,000 Jews in 897 separate pogroms. Jabotinsky negotiated an alliance with Petilura, proposing a Jewish police force to accompany Petilura’s forces in their counter-revolutionary fight against the Red Army and the Bolshevik Revolution - a process involving the murder of peasant, worker and intellectual supporters of the revolution.

 

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Consequently, the Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David. In May 1935, Reinhardt Heydrich, the chief of the S.S. Security Service, wrote an article in which he separated Jews into "two categories." The Jews he favored were the Zionists: "Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them."[82] In 1937, the Labor "socialist" Zionist militia, the Haganah (founded by Jabotinsky) sent an agent (Feivel Polkes) to Berlin offering to spy for the S.S. Security Service in exchange for the release of Jewish wealth for Zionist colonization. Adolf Eichmann was invited to Palestine as the guest of the Haganah.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:53 PM


WHAT IS FASCISM?

Fascism is often used as an epithet, especially by the left, but it actually is a perfectly respectable academic term that refers to a particular type of political system. Everyone can agree that fascist states are authoritarian -- that is, they lack the fundamental attributes of democracy. Unlike democracies, fascist systems lack meaningful parliaments, judiciaries, parties, political contestation and elections. In fascist systems, as in all authoritarian systems, parliaments are rubber-stamp institutions, judiciaries do what the leader tells them, opposition parties are marginal and electoral outcomes are preordained.

Like all authoritarian states, fascist states are highly centralized and hierarchical, they give pride of place within the power structure to soldiers and policemen, usually secret policemen, and they always have a supreme leader. Indeed, there can be no fascist state without a supreme leader. Like authoritarian states, fascist states limit freedom of the press, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly; and espouse some form of ethnocentrism glorifying their nation and their state and their fabulous past, present and future.



Doesn't this definition of "fascism" also describe an absolute monarchy ?

By this definition, autocratic Russian Tsars were "fascists" as were kings
of Christian Europe who ruled by "divine right." This definition would also
describe God's absolute sovereignty and the King of kings, Jesus Christ.

The USA on the other hand was created on a secular democratic anti-monarchy
foundation. It truly was a new kind of beast, the "New Order of the Ages"
[official US motto], arising from a New World that for millennia was believed
to be only sea [Rev 13.] So, it was no wonder that the US government was very
anti-monarchy... supporting revolutionaries who destroyed the Third Rome...
and proclaiming WW1 was an anti-monarchist war to make the world safe for
democracy. WW2 was a continuation of WW1. Here again democrats and bolsheviks
teamed up to destroy their enemy. Today is Feb 4, the 70th anniversary of
the "Big Three", Stalin, FDR and Churchill, infamous meeting in Tsar Nicholas'
former palace in Yalta, Crimea to plan out their democratic/bolshevik future
of Europe and the planet.


Here is my related topic on this subject.

" The rabbit hole of the USA's long planned march to Armageddon "

http://engforum.prav...-to-armageddon/

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:56 PM

This is how a democratic western style government treats people who oppose them:

 

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:57 PM

Here is a Donbass separatist/terrorist

 

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 08:59 PM



They are both jew and Nazi, Atossa. Perhaps you haven't read the book, "Hidden History of Zionism" by Ralph Schoenman.

Get this:



More "Hitler was a jew" propaganda ?

Nothing could be further from the truth.
But it does not surprise me that is the
current jew/nwo propaganda. Notice, the
author of that book is a leftist jew.

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:20 PM

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I have a question... so I might as well ask it here.

Pravda seems to personify the current position of leftist atheist jews
[ie, bolsheviks] as opposed to what might be described as right-wing jews
who seem to be lumped together under the term, "Zionists." This is why it
now seems popular to attack "Zionists"... but not all "jews." Interestingly,
Hitler discussed this very thing in Mein Kampf, this supposed jew dichotomy.
Hitler said this apparent split in the jews is a calculated jew LIE !

Okay... here is my question.

Is this the real Pravda.ru [same leftist jew bolshevism as the old Pravda]
or is this just more psy-ops ??

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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:45 PM

It breaks my heart to see either Jews or communists or fascists take the upper hand in my ancestral land. There are very few lands on planet Earth which are so enriched by natural wealth and wonders of nature as is UKRAINE and RUSSIA, itself. I watched young member of Ukrainian Parliament speak out about the US interference in Ukraine,describing how US Embassy itself held seminars to teach idiots how to destroy Ukraine and Russia. About quarter of the Parliament tried to interrupt his speach, what a shame.


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Posted 04 February 2015 - 09:49 PM

It breaks my heart to see either Jews or communists or fascists
take the upper hand in my ancestral land.




Didn't you previously tell me you're an asianatic tatar ??
Are you one of those Putin needs to kick out of Crimea ??

Putin recently said the Crimea, the cradle of Holy Rus,
is analogous to Jerusalem. If Putin was sincere, he will
remove all jews, muslims, tatars. Only Aryan Holy Rus...
the Christ-bearing people... can live in New Jerusalem.

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Edited by Atossa, 04 February 2015 - 10:01 PM.

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