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#1 shaktiman

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:09 PM

Vitaly Churkin's Autopsy and Mysterious Death Update

 

Let's not overreact or get too upset or many of our Pravda Forum members may suffer "heart attacks" similar to our friend UN Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin.

 

Now if old Shaktiman believed for a minute that people are murdered by poisoning I would say look to who brings the nicest flowers to the funeral.

 

There are plenty of candidates in the article below, if you don't believe that every "heart attack" is a heart attack.

 

 

Russian Ambassador To UN Vitaly Churkin Has "Died Suddenly" In New York; Putin "Deeply Upset"

 

http://www.zerohedge...s-work-new-york

 

"Update: according to Reuters, Vladimir Putin was deeply upset to learn of the death of Vitaly Churkin, Russian news agencies cited Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying on Monday.

 

"The head of state highly valued Churkin's professionalism and diplomatic talent," Peskov said.

 

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Vitaly Churkin, who served as Russia's permanent representative to the United Nations since 2006, "died suddenly" in New York, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced. Churkin died one day before his 65th birthday. Russia's deputy U.N. ambassador, Vladimir Safronkov, told AP that Churkin became ill and was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, where he died Monday.

 

Churkin was at the Russian embassy on East 67th Street when he became sick with a “cardiac condition” around 9:30 am, sources told the New York Post. A Russian Embassy spokesperson told CBS News that they believe Churkin died of a heart attack but they do not yet have official word on the cause of death."

 

It's fair to say that Vitaly is dead. That is the fact. After that, we are conjecturing and anything less than a meticulous forensic examination with the highest caliber experts will fall on deaf ears.

 

I've learned a tad of Russian from fellow members on the Forum but the Pravda article below that was written in Russian was translated via Google with a bit of grammatical correction by yours truly.

 

Смерть Чуркина: мнение судебно-медицинского эксперtа

 

Death of Churkin: The Opinion of a Forensic Expert

 

http://www.pravda.ru...5444-tumanov-0/

 

"The Associated Press reported, citing the press-secretary of the Chief Medical Examiner of New York that American experts were unable to determine the cause of death of Russia's ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin.

 

 

Therefore additional examination is required - in particular toxicological analyses. It will take at least another couple of weeks to find out the cause of the death of the Russian diplomat. The fact of an ongoing toxicological analysis may mean that we are talking about poisoning.

 

According to the Russian economist, journalist and political analyst Mikhail Delyagin, this looks mysterious, since a diagnosis of a heart attack, as far as can be evaluated after a death does not pose a difficult problem.

 

In the mass media there is a another view gaining popularity  that Vitaly Churkin could have been murdered. This suggests that the perpetrators should be sought in the US intelligence services.

 

'Vitaly Churkin, was killed by US special forces, the Russian diplomat was poisoned ...'. Questions and varied views become more important when considering a human death.

 

'Pravda.Ru' asked for comment from the medical examiner, PhD Eduardo Tumanov: ' Why is there still no definitive diagnosis based on the results of the American forensic examination? '

 

' American forensic experts in this type of case can not hurry with the wording of a final diagnosis while waiting for results to be ready with methods of further examination: histology, forensic toxicology and others. Forensic histological examination (wiring, fixing, shading, coloring material) takes about a week, because there are certain dates for the material, due to the technological features of the manufacture of histological preparations. In addition, judicial toxicology study also takes time which are toxicological studies in judicial medical research - a standard procedure. For example, we always take blood to determine the blood alcohol levels as well as urine sampling. Americans have always carried out further research on drugs other than alcohol. This is an established algorithm of forensic investigation.

 

Most likely, the US forensic experts are very cautious. Given the nature of relations between Russia and the United States, they want to carry out a study in full - and then report something specifically summarized. This is understandable in such a situation, experts in any country perestrahuyutsya (rearrange) ten times before something is officially declared. And until then, all the studies use the standard wording: 'The cause of death has not been established'. '

 

Assigned to toxicological examination. What does this mean?

 

In the case of the death of such a high-ranking diplomat Vitaly Churkin - it always reverberates. Probably, the Americans flinched. There are probably decisions that Russia has not raised with them as to any misconduct in the incompleteness of the examination, preferring them to explore all the most widely possible views, including that they carry out the most complete forensic toxicological examination and not be limited to research on alcohol and drugs.

 

How quickly can the technician establish that death was a heart attack?

 

A heart attack - a clinical symptom, pain in the heart, which may be due to different reasons. If the heart attack was caused by starting any myocardial infarction, the medical examiner sees this immediately during the autopsy. But what we see in the first view of the naked eye, must be confirmed by further microscopic examinations using special staining methods of histological preparations and so on. Again, it takes some time.

 

There are many rumors because of the recent high number of deaths of Russian diplomats:

The murder of Ambassador Charles in Turkey, the sudden death Churkin and so on.

This can do nothing but incur even more suspicious speculation.

 

This is not a questioning of the medical examiner skill. Yet, I am sure that our experts will in any case carefully re-examine the results of our American colleagues. In my opinion, this is natural.

 

Can we always establish that poison been used?

 

 

Identifying which poison is a matter of technologies, but there are also other features of diagnosis. For example, one of the conditions for the detection of toxic substances is the presence of the special characteristics of the poison used in the course of examination utilizing a base toxicological library (toxicologists have a so-called library poisons for which they carry out the identification of toxic substances). So, the Americans - very good laboratories, excellent technical ability, but a some what worse with clinical diagnostic thinking.

 

We will see…"

 

Those Pravda Forum members with a Russian language background please feel free to critique.  Sometimes it is difficult and beyond language to convey both the idiom and the culture.

 

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Yes Vitaly - You made it.

 

Good Job!

 

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#2 shaktiman

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 05:34 PM

An interesting note from Samantha Powers.

 

I suppose she'll be one of those bringing a very fine bouquet.

 

Samantha Power
‏@SamanthaJPower

Devastated by passing of Russian UN Amb Vitaly Churkin.Diplomatic maestro &deeply caring man who did all he cld to bridge US-RUS differences

 

 

 

Noted that Vitaly Churkin was hated by the West and loved by those that valued honor.

 

Is Asterix the blocker related to Samantha Powers or the Higher Powers?

 

Regards.

 

I wonder if


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:24 PM

Autopsy Report Reveals Russia's UN Envoy Churkin Was Poisoned ...

 

http://abs.cbn-tv.co...n-was-poisoned/

 

"A preliminary autopsy report done by medical experts revealed that Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin had poison in his kidneys."

 

"The leaked report, which a LiveMonitor reporter saw, reads ' Legal examination determined the time of death, presumably on Monday morning, approximately 10 h after the ingested of the suspected meal."

 

"Microscopic findings were as follows: .............."

 

Getting very interesting.

 

More to come.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 11:52 PM

Bad translation?

 

i thought it was much better than just plain Googoo!

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 01:37 AM

So, let's not get our signals crossed and get to the name sake of this Forum - Truth.

 

The issue of killing Russian diplomats MUST be in the open if True.

 

Evidence or this is forthcoming.

 

Was the LiveMonitor reporter correct???

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 02:02 AM





What kind of funeral will he have... Christian, jew or atheist ??

While doing a search for the info... I found this blast from the past:



Why Vladimir Putin Will Keep Playing Jewish Card in Ukraine Crisis

March 11, 2014

" The Kremlin has issued more condemnations of anti-Semitism in the past week than in the preceding decade. The danger of anti-Semitism was on the lips of the Russian Ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, and President Vladimir Putin himself.

Not Russian anti-Semitism, of course. It was Ukrainian "Neo-Nazism, fascism and anti-Semitism" that raised the Kremlin's indignation. President Putin even cited the destruction of Orthodox churches and synagogues as a reason for the continued presence of Russian troops in Crimea... "

more at link

http://forward.com/o...-jewish-card-i/

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#7 shaktiman

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:13 AM

I have no idea of Vitaly Churkin's religious belief system

I suppose he kept that to himself mostly

I am concerned more so that a pattern of murdering Russian diplomats surreptitiously is unfolding

There are recently though some VERY pro Jewish and anti both Putin and Trump fake news articles in the US media

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:18 AM


I am concerned more so that a pattern of murdering Russian diplomats surreptitiously is unfolding



Maybe Putin is finally cleaning house.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:28 AM

' Why is there still no definitive diagnosis based on the results of the American forensic examination? '

 

Probably because American "experts" believe in magic bullets and pancake collapses.


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 11:46 AM

' Why is there still no definitive diagnosis based on the results of the American forensic examination? '

 

Probably because American "experts" believe in magic bullets and pancake collapses.

 

 

original Pravda (in Russian) article says a fully detailed autopsy conclusion takes time.

 

The LiveMonitor (UK?) claims that poison was found in Churkin's kidneys and if one reads the details in the LiveMonitor's "protected" article that I posted above their are a few  other results that can arguably collaborate the poisoning.

 

One would argue either way that the "biliary stasis", "necrosis of all layers of colon mucosa and submucosa",  "lung congestion" support the poisoning and what was found in the kidneys, and I am not an expert but more data is better in any case.

 

You are right that "magic bullet theories" are used as cover-ups.

 

I agree with the original article and USC that tell us to bide our time and get ALL the data.

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 01:16 PM

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 02:00 PM

Crvena Zvezda fans have remembered a friend and defender of Serbs - Vitaly Churkin.

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

Crvena Zvezda fans have remembered a friend and defender of Serbs - Vitaly Churkin.

 

 

Having listened to Vitaly over the years I must add, and defender of Truth.

 

Thanks for the video of the funeral as well.

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 03:52 PM

Vitaly Churkin is in a good company

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 03:57 PM

Vitaly Churkin is in a good company

 

 

They all did their duty and what was right for freedom and principle, thus their rewards are not dissolved but obtained in what is honorable - that too is Heaven.

 

You and I are still here USC and we will persevere!

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:34 PM

 

They all did their duty and what was right for freedom and principle,

 

One of the best song: SOLDIER

 


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:05 PM



This is interesting... but their English is difficult to follow.
Their suggestion that the current series of political deaths might
be a repeat of political deaths prior to the dissolution of the USSR
is very interesting.


February 23rd, 2017


Thriller "the Kremlin's funeral-2" or what will a series of deaths of Russian diplomats

" After the murder of the Russian Ambassador in Turkey Andrey Karlov was followed by several deaths of high-ranking officials of the Russian Federation. And if you add to that the mysterious death of Pro-Russian separatists - the founders of the "new Russia" near Moscow, right under the noses of Putin, all options for their accidental origin just become frivolous.

When the whole the world is focused on relations between the new US President Donald trump and the leadership of Russia, happened the sudden death of Russia's permanent representative to the UN Vitaly Churkin.

On recent years, Churkin was talking head of the Kremlin in the UN and face Russia was counting in crucial issues, and which covered and justified the aggressive actions of his Kremlin bosses in Ukraine Georgia, Syria and other countries.

For the last three months Churkin became the sixth Russian diplomat, suddenly deceased, and it gives a good reason many people to assume that all these death might not be accidental, especially given the aggressive and warlike policy of the Russian authorities.

19 Dec 2016, the Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrey Karlov at the opening of the photo exhibition "Russia the eyes of a traveler: from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka", was shot Turkish police Mevlut by the MERT Altıntaş. And despite the condolences official Ankara, and rapid elimination of killer photos from his funeral gives doubt: he was buried with military honors, and in the eyes of many Turkish citizens Russia - the aggressor and Altıntaş - hero. Being at body Charles, mevlüt MERT Altıntaş said: "You shoot defenseless people. In the name of Allah!", "We are dying in Aleppo, you die here!" "Don't forget about Aleppo! Dont forget about Syria! Only death will stop me. All who participated in the oppression, would pay for it one for others." Is to note that Charles, unlike many of its offensive compatriots particularly sharp and provocative statements did not. That is, he actually "answered" for Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov and other organizers, performers, and "the Vindicator" the aggressive policy of the Kremlin. And the fact that he was shot as a representative Russia, forced many Russians visiting Turkey to think about its security.

On the next day after the murder of Charles, on December 20 in Moscow, was found dead with gunshot wound to the head the head of the Department of Latin American Department of the foreign Ministry of Russia Peter Polshikova.

Soon, 26 December 2016 followed by the mysterious death of "the Keeper of secrets The Kremlin": in Moscow, suddenly died 61-the summer head of "Rosneft" Oleg Brevancin several years ago, headed the Secretariat of the then Deputy Prime Minister and oil magnate and family friend of Putin, Igor Sechin. Because the autopsy held in the FSB, the story of the heart attack allegedly caused the lethal the outcome may be in doubt. Notably, Sechin in "Rosneft" Erevancin headed the Department, which responsible for secret documents. In the same day in Ust-Kamenogorsk died from a heart attack the traveler Russian Consulate Roman Skrylnikov.

9 Jan 2017 year 55-year-old Russian diplomat Andrei Malanin, which served as the Russian Consul in Greece, was found dead in his apartment in Athens.

On January 26 New Delhi Ambassador of Russia in India, Alexander died Kadakin.

Of course, some of the deaths of the Russian diplomats could happen in the natural reasons. However, in light of the political events of the last three years so dense "Diplomated" looks very suspicious. And if you add to that the mysterious death Pro-Russian separatists - the founders of the "new Russia" (Zilina and Bolotov) at Moscow,right under the noses of Putin, the variants of the random origin of this string deaths fall off. Because too much of a coincidence.

In the 80-ies in Moscow in a relatively short period of time (from 1982 to 1985) died pretty a large number of politicians, security officials and diplomats. Brezhnev And Tsvigun, Andropov, Ustinov, Chernenko, and several less well-known Is official entities. the phenomenon of historians and journalists called "Kremlin funerals". After it in the USSR came a big change.

Now, how we see this "Thriller" got its "sequel" - the turn 2016 and 2017 we see a series of deaths of Russian dignitaries. It is possible that when "the Kremlin's funeral-2" will be completed in The Russian Federation also will come great changes.
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http://24-my.info/th...sian-diplomats/


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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:46 PM

The above post trying to link the Kremlin to the deaths of its own diplomats is absurd.

 

Unconnected dots and conjectures have no bearing on the recent Russian Federation diplomats' murders and untimely deaths.

 

There is no trash barrel logic to all this.

 

Each of the recent Russian diplomats killed or dying mysteriously must first be seen on a case by case basis with facts and not hyperbole.

 

Only then can any real connections be made.

 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:09 PM


The above post trying to link the Kremlin to the deaths of its own diplomats is absurd.

Unconnected dots and conjectures have no bearing on the recent Russian Federation diplomats' murders and untimely deaths.

There is no trash barrel logic to all this.

Each of the recent Russian diplomats killed or dying mysteriously must first be seen on a case by case basis with facts and not hyperbole.

Only then can any real connections be made.

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" Unconnected dots and conjectures have no bearing on the recent Russian Federation diplomats' murders and untimely deaths."


Yeah right, that never happens on Pravda forum.

As for the rest of your post... methinks thou dost protest too much.

Btw... why did you ignore my similar post earlier [see above] that basically says the same thing?

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Edited by Atossa, 24 February 2017 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:13 PM

One of the best song:  SOLDIER

 

 

 

I understand the meaning. "солдат" (Soldier).

 

I will add: Without suffering one does not comprehend duty.

 

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