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#1 julie

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Posted 26 March 2003 - 01:26 PM

Warning!!
The pictures at the following link are VERY graphic. View at your own risk!!


George Walker Bush will burn in hell for his crimes against humanity!!!

http://alarabnews.co...rb/shohadaa.htm
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 02:19 PM

More than enough to please any psyco pathic killer.







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http://chapelhill.in...003/03/3370.php

http://www.aljazeera...3/3/3-22-26.htm

http://alarabnews.co...rb/shohadaa.htm
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 03:03 PM

These photos brought tears to my eyes..

I have asked my father in heaven to forgive me for having contributed to this evil murdering of children by casting my vote for that monster who now occupies the highest office in the world..
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 03:05 PM

There must be many thinking like you julie.
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 03:26 PM

there are a lot of JULIES in my country, at least it seems like it...maybe one tenth of one percent of everyone within our boarders...perhaps a quarter of a million JULIES..and probably a quarter of those have been camped out in my home town for most of this year...it cost the city/county of san francisco $5mega to kick the asses of ten percent of those (and getting their numbers...WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE)
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 05:37 PM

since you seem to be so adept at finding picture of Iraqi's can you do me a favor and also find pictures of the following:

1) Pictures of the lifeless and dismembered bodies of all the Kurds in Northern Iraq murdered by Saddam's forces

2) Pictures of Iraqi Cabinet members that Saddam had executed when he seized control of the government years ago (over 100 were executed minutes after he read their names at a formal gathering - escorted from the building and shot in the head)

3) Pictures of Americans jumping to their deaths out of the World Trade Center twin towers after terrorists who were known to have trained at terrorist camps in Iraq killed nearly 3,000 innocent american citizens. I especially enjoy the pictures of their bodies and brains splattered all over the pavement 96 floors below the floor they jumped from :)

4) Pictures of Kuwaiti citizens being executed when Iraq invaded Kuwait in search of riches. There are many great pictures of innocent civilians either: hung from the gallows, being shot in the head, being tortured and dipped in acid baths to die slowly.

5) Oh and how about some pictures of the women who were repeatedly raped, tortured then murdered by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait - I really want to see those!!!!

I just love looking at your pics and thought my little mission for you would help you to remember some facts you're evidently dismissing.

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Posted 27 March 2003 - 12:21 AM

No Jeff. You can't get away with that.

If the barbarous treatment of Kuwaitis, the execution of Iraqis, the horrific deaths of WTC employees..if all those things justify even one of those photos - then the same logic also justifies Palestinian suicide bombings; justifies Al Quaeda hitting the WTC; justifies every atrocity in any name since time began. The moment you start to justify atrocities with atrocities, you are no different from the terrorists I presume you condemn.

I agree with Julie totally. Someone should hold these pictures up to Bush and ask 'what makes you any better than Saddam Hussein?' After all, what do you think will happen to all those Ba'ath leaders? Tea and biscuits? Or the electric chair? Why is that better than Saddam executing the regime before him?

Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator. So was William the Conqueror. We owe the stability which allows us to sit and point the moral finger so easily, to a succession of men and women who make Saddam Hussein look like Mother Theresa. Say them slowly to yourself...Richard III, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Cromwell. And America also owes its stability to the wiping out of indigenous tribes which otherwise would be bombing white settlements. Without the brutal monarchism carried out by these people, we would still be a nation of factions, whose only resort would be terrorism. As soon as Saddam is gone, the atrocities will continue. Shia against Tikrit. Kurd against Turk. And the co-belligerent nations will simply have done what they always have - fuel the fire.

The ONLY way to establish any peace in the Middle East is to make it rich. Rich men have too much to lose to step out strapped to explosives.

We need to get off our high horses and realise that unstable countries can only survive under brutal dictatorship. If we want to get rid of Saddam then we need to trade, help, give, encourage, invite, suggest. Only when these countries have all the things we have will they be in any position to support a true democracy.

And before you express disgust, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I am a realist. Violence has never put a stop to violence, and if our leaders had even one functioning synapse between them, they would realise that they, and we who stand by, are guaranteeing the atrocities of the future. Shame on us all.


Every man's death diminishes me. For I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee - John Donne
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 12:34 AM

How about find the pictures of the american troops killed by his troops who were givng up! How about find the pics of his troops using his people as human sheilds............. Sodamn is the nenmy here not the usa........ I pray to god to forgive you for the sins you post here!
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 12:37 AM

Toby,
Actually theres an old way of thinking that originated in the biblical lands of Israel and Mesopotmia that justifies this.

"An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you."
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 01:04 AM

Originally posted by toby
No Jeff. You can't get away with that.

If the barbarous treatment of Kuwaitis, the execution of Iraqis, the horrific deaths of WTC employees..if all those things justify even one of those photos - then the same logic also justifies Palestinian suicide bombings; justifies Al Quaeda hitting the WTC; justifies every atrocity in any name since time began. The moment you start to justify atrocities with atrocities, you are no different from the terrorists I presume you condemn.

I agree with Julie totally. Someone should hold these pictures up to Bush and ask 'what makes you any better than Saddam Hussein?' After all, what do you think will happen to all those Ba'ath leaders? Tea and biscuits? Or the electric chair? Why is that better than Saddam executing the regime before him?

Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator. So was William the Conqueror. We owe the stability which allows us to sit and point the moral finger so easily, to a succession of men and women who make Saddam Hussein look like Mother Theresa. Say them slowly to yourself...Richard III, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Cromwell. And America also owes its stability to the wiping out of indigenous tribes which otherwise would be bombing white settlements. Without the brutal monarchism carried out by these people, we would still be a nation of factions, whose only resort would be terrorism. As soon as Saddam is gone, the atrocities will continue. Shia against Tikrit. Kurd against Turk. And the co-belligerent nations will simply have done what they always have - fuel the fire.

The ONLY way to establish any peace in the Middle East is to make it rich. Rich men have too much to lose to step out strapped to explosives.

We need to get off our high horses and realise that unstable countries can only survive under brutal dictatorship. If we want to get rid of Saddam then we need to trade, help, give, encourage, invite, suggest. Only when these countries have all the things we have will they be in any position to support a true democracy.

And before you express disgust, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I am a realist. Violence has never put a stop to violence, and if our leaders had even one functioning synapse between them, they would realise that they, and we who stand by, are guaranteeing the atrocities of the future. Shame on us all.


Every man's death diminishes me. For I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee - John Donne



don't change the subject - post the pictures!
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 01:08 AM

oooh for all of you people who like Julies pictures you'll love these! This is Saddams idea of a good time.

http://212.179.112.1...aq-chemical.wmv
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 01:24 AM

If you wait some days, there will be much worst pictures.
There are some informations that 'allies' will use nuclear weapons...
If there is something to do with it, DO IT...
If anybody can stop them, DO IT...
Before it will be too late.
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 01:57 AM

Im sick of all this retarded anti-bush propaganda saying allied forces will use nuclear weapons. ITS FALSE! Get your head out of your ***! Quit spewing lies!
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 02:08 AM

James - if only the second part of your quote were true. But if history has taught anything it is that people will NEVER stop. Just think of the Irish marching to celebrate battles which took place 300 years ago. Or for that matter, Christians Jews and Muslims still squabbling over the true meaning of events which took place millenia ago.

The news is currently talking about the US post-conflict plan to establish a number of regional viceroys. VICEROYS? That's establishing democracy? Just like the viceroys did in India? Hmm..

This is a war of blatant self interest vs. blatant self interest. If Bush wanted to establish peace in the Middle East he would have started with the Holy Land.

America and England are going to be the target of so much hatred and agression for so many years to come. And all because of the ambitions of one small group of rich men.

PS. Of course we won't use nuclear weapons. We want to bleed the country slowly not quickly. But just remind me of the justification behind using depleted uranium?...
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 02:57 AM

Another response to Jeffj:

"1) Pictures of the lifeless and dismembered bodies of all the Kurds in Northern Iraq murdered by Saddam's forces"

Information provided by the CIA, but not widely published in order to take advantage of previously disseminated misinformation - the gas used on the Kurds was cyanide. Iraq never had cyanide. Iraq had mainly Mustard Gas. However, Iran used cyanide against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Therefore your above question is based on misinformation.

"2) Pictures of Iraqi Cabinet members that Saddam had executed when he seized control of the government years ago (over 100 were executed minutes after he read their names at a formal gathering - escorted from the building and shot in the head)"

In fact, the CIA (then headed by George W.H. Bush, Director of the CIA) provided Saddam with a list of approximately 500 names of people the US government wanted eliminated. Being a US puppet at the time, he followed the CIA orders and executed the people on the list as demanded by the US government.

"3) Pictures of Americans jumping to their deaths out of the World Trade Center twin towers after terrorists who were known to have trained at terrorist camps in Iraq killed nearly 3,000 innocent american citizens. I especially enjoy the pictures of their bodies and brains splattered all over the pavement 96 floors below the floor they jumped from"

Distraction. Secular Iraq still has no proven connection with fanatical-religious al-Qaida. For your information, Saddam and Osama are two separate people, and not multiple personalities of the same person.

"4) Pictures of Kuwaiti citizens being executed when Iraq invaded Kuwait in search of riches. There are many great pictures of innocent civilians either: hung from the gallows, being shot in the head, being tortured and dipped in acid baths to die slowly."

Oh really? Is that like the babies that were torn from the incubators in Kuwait? (A story which was later proven to be a complete fabrication, in order to help intensify and solidify american public opinion against Iraq). Aside from that, that was 12 years ago, and Iraq was driven out of Kuwait and defeated at the time. This war is not a legal continuation of 12 years ago. This war is illegal under international law, and a crime against humanity.

"5) Oh and how about some pictures of the women who were repeatedly raped, tortured then murdered by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait - I really want to see those!!!!"

Yeah. Me too. Betcha you can't prove that allegation either.

"I just love looking at your pics and thought my little mission for you would help you to remember some facts you're evidently dismissing."

You have been hit by George's Weapons of Mass Distraction. Still have your job? Health Insurance? War is a neat distraction from the REAL problems plaguing the american economy, isn't it?
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 03:13 AM

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory. It's amazing what people will let themselves believe when it supports their preconceived notions and petty hatred.
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 03:26 AM

Conspiracy theory? All government by its definition is conspiracy. No one can seriously doubt that American governments (as well as others, to be fair) have been involved in some phenomenonally shady numbers over the years.

The gassing thing is a fact, and the CIA thing is believable (remember that America trained Osama, and paid both sides to fight each other in the Iran / Iraq shindig, and trained up Cuban exiles to invade a foreign country). Just ask yourself, why was ANY government sanctioning the sale of chemical weapons to ANY Middle Eastern government subsequent to the Geneva Convention?

Given what we KNOW is true about US governments, why is there any reason they should suddenly have donned white hats in recent years? Anyone who thinks the shady stuff has stopped must have a lot of faith in mankind... or own stock in Halliburton Co.
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 03:52 AM

Check out this link for a little bit more objective article with a few more facts and a lot less rumor. Not that I'm saying your link is crap. (That sounds crass. I mean that is a good article but I think this one is simply more informative)

http://mondediplo.com/1998/03/04iraqkn

A little more background on the conflict that pretty much made Gulf War 1 inevitable:

http://www.fas.org/m...r/iran-iraq.htm
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 04:09 AM

Sorry, I dont have any pictures of 9/11 or pictures from the treatment Saddam gives his own people.
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Posted 27 March 2003 - 05:26 AM

JESUS JULIE- you voted for bush? That pretty well decimates any thought I could possibly have that you would post something intelligent and well researched. Damn I wish I had registered to vote.....then again, I guess it wouldn't have made any difference due to the "chads".
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