How the U.S. frees the Iraqi people
Posted 27 March 2003 - 11:30 PM
A story was reported in WWI about a Canadian soldier crucified by German troops on a barn door. This 'fact' was used by politicians to whip up anti-German feeling. But subsequent investigations proved that the story was entirely fictitious.
Of course, we wouldn't do that now. Not gun-toting white-hat-wearing George and Tonto Blair? Surely?
Well for all those of you out there who believe what your leaders are telling you - just take ONE of the 'facts' that they are quoting about how Iraqis welcomed troops and humanitarian aid...
"Inside Zubayr, however, the distribution initially began with good nature. Young men joked with each other, smiled and passed around bottles of water. Within 10 minutes, however, an undercurrent of resentment flowed to the surface. The war, the bombing, sanctions and their cumulative toll all boiled over.
Jalil Ali, 25, the young Iraqi in the brown shawl, asked if any of the humanitarian aid was being provided by Americans.
"Take it back," he yelled, pretending to push it away. "We want the Americans to go back home. We do not need them here. Go back home. I do not need this."
Around him, his friends giggled. Not far away, people rushed out of earthen buildings and raced down a dual carriageway. Ali, however, seemed to realise the irony only too well. "They bomb. And now they want to give water and food. How can they do both? How?" It was then that the gunfire erupted.... "
You can read the full text on this link
.. and hear the original reporter's phone call to his office here...
Oh, perhaps this journalist has some ulterior motive for lying. Probably had cheese-eating French grandparents or something right?
There IS propaganda on both sides of this argument, but the truth almost certainly lies somewhere in the middle, and the middle does not look good for anyone.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 01:55 AM
People always fail to do the cultural translation necessary before damning another country's regime. Maybe Saddam Hussein does order people's tongues cut out, but the Iraqis probably think its just as inhumane that in America people are kept on death row in cages for up to 20 years.
And although the Kurds may hate Saddam for gassing them, they aren't going to forget who sold him the chemical weapons either.
The current debate usually only ever focuses on the last 20 years or so. We forget that the entire Arab world was carved up back in the late 40's by a load of people who had no knowledge of the region. And go back further to the Victorians. And further to the Crusades. The history of the Middle East is one long litany of western aggression, and yet no Arab state has ever committed an overt act of agression against a western country, until certain terrorists finally had enough in the recent decades.
Why would any arab want to be ruled by the people who have systematically shat on him for the last 1000 years?
Posted 28 March 2003 - 02:33 AM
Ever hear of the Ottomans? Got all the way to Austria killing everything in their path. Perhaps we should dredge that up everytime we feel like justifying whatever.
If your looking for the perfect country with the perfect history there aren't any. And don't forget the Saddam's role model is Stalin. In case you haven't heard of him, Stalin killed millions of Russians -( but all for their own good).
Posted 28 March 2003 - 02:54 AM
I'm going to do some housework! And believe me, it takes a lot for me to consider that the preferred alternative!...<sigh>
Posted 28 March 2003 - 05:03 AM
Your Bushevik war parties invade a country that has not shot at you. You fools bomb their cities under the guise of bringing them freedom? You morons are just like the Nazis. Oh, why do the Iraqis hate us so...
You idiots have grasped your genitals more than history books. But, you aren't required to know anything living in the US Imperial Welfare State, are you?
Posted 28 March 2003 - 08:19 AM
oh...yes...those were the days...the good old days...if it hadn't been for that polish king...may he burn in hell for his crimes...we would have taken vienna ...oh yes we would!
but we weren't exactly killing EVERYTHING in our path...we also needed slaves, you know...
well...that's way back in the past...and the austrians were no less cruel to the muslims in the balkans when they got the opportunity for revenge...those were cruel days back then, no doubt about it...
but...I wonder...what is it that arabs have to do with the ottomans and their expansion into Europe?...those ottomans fighting in austria weren't arabs...but turks, tartars and european bosnians and albanians...plus some christian vlachs...first thing arabs did when they got the independence was to destroy all mosques built by the ottomans...except for one...
Posted 28 March 2003 - 10:34 AM
Whos OIL? The Iraqi's are saying that it is already theirs and they dont want someone from the outside coming to kill them to hand it back to them and charge them for it.
I would give weight to an Indian reporter more than any 10 american ones any day. Notice the town they are in????
Uprising is a mirage in Iraq's deserts V.k. Shashikumar
Umm Qasr, March 27: Southern Iraq is rising against the coalition forces and not against -as US forces would want the world to believe - Saddam Hussein's regime. In Umm Qasr, this correspondent was surrounded by hundreds of Iraqi men chanting songs praising Saddam. ''We will give our blood as sacrifice for you, Saddam,'' they sang.
The fact that Iraqi civilians have taken up arms to fight coalition forces was enough of an indication that the coalition forces have, perhaps, miscalculated that Iraqis would welcome them as a liberating force. The reality is that the Iraqis see the coalition forces as an occupying force. ''Amriki, Britaania, go back,'' slogans pierced through the stillness of desert air. Hundreds of Iraqi men converged around us, danced and shouted, ''No, No Bush, Saddam good good.''
US planners are not being able to wish away the reality of farmers shooting down Apache helicopters and the prospect of large-scale civilian participation in Iraqi resistance. The grim situation has manifested in the decision of the coalition forces to redesignate the one-million strong Basra as a legitimate military target.
The Kuwaiti Red Crescent Society delegates who accompanied the first-aid consignment to southern Iraq were shocked by the vitriolic reception they received. Even as the Iraqis fought for food aid, they unleashed abuses at Kuwaitis, Americans and British. Hani Al Jassef, spokesperson for Red Crescent Society, Kuwait, tried hard to play down the scene. ''I am not talking about Saddam. I am talking about my people... Maybe they are singing songs in praise of Saddam right now, but I didn't hear them. All I can tell you is that we brought aid,'' he said.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 02:22 PM
1,000 Iraqis Killed near Najaf -- Al Jazeera TV
US troops have killed 1,000 Iraqis in the past 72 hours in the Najaf region in central Iraq, AlJazeera TV quoted an American officer as saying on Wednesday.
The US 3rd Infantry Division fought a fierce battle with Iraqiforces on Wednesday for the control of a bridge over the Euphratesriver close to the city of Najaf.
According to another report of Abu Dhabi TV, Iraqi Madina Division, which is affiliated with Iraq's Republican Guards, haslaunched counter-attacks on the US 3rd Infantry Division, giving noother details.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 02:54 PM
Posted 28 March 2003 - 05:30 PM
Have you ever read the Federalist Papers? Your illegal invasion of Iraq is not supported by any of The Founders' documents. It is an illegal and criminal incursion and an undeclared war. No Bushevik can defend that point. I am not a liberal, as you have called me. You don't even know your own laws concerning the aspects of meddling in others' affairs. Desiring LIMITED GOVERNMENT is not being a liberal. You are not a conservative as you would like to believe. Your Bushevist view is more than liberal- it is imperialistic. Get your dictionary out oh misty one.
Bushevism may now be equated to Nazism. I would love to see some Bushevik try to show how the two are different. National socialism versus Social Nationalism...
You people are condoning murder. Mental midget petty tyrants in the suburbs condone bombing others half-way around the world. Morons.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 06:08 PM
The reported news is the same way. (there are even imbedded journalist from other nations complaining that there reports are being rewritten to the Iraqi slant)
You DO NOT live in Iraq, but they represent it - go figure. I wonder when you have your family brutally murdered for there opinions or raped, tortured etc.etc. if you would actually have the guts to stand up for what you believe
No, No, Saddam is not a bad guy. GET REAL!!
Saddam is a very brutal and sadistic dictator that should not running free let alone a country.
If every Saddam leg lapping fool on this thread would spend HALF the amount of energy finding the dirt on Saddam as they do on the US. The light would be blinding! But it seems that suppressing ones people for your own brutal pleasure makes more sense.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 06:20 PM
" What the americans fail to tell you is that 1/2 the people they kill are civilians. Over 500 dead and injured in that area alone. Half of them were killed in their sleep when the americans went in with heavy armour and cleared a path of hundreds of houses that was next to the road."
Well, Well SmallMind!!
If you have death squads knocking on your door and forcing the men out to battle while holding your family hostage is right, then maybe we are killing civilians. Civilians are going to be part of war, always has been and always will. Unfortunately Saddam places his military assets in the populace to protect them.. But you already know this. Or are you really smallminded? Iraq would love to show every death that America has caused and yet we see few, and some of those are even suspect. Your information is suspect and so are your thoughts.
Saddam was given many years to stop this and now is depending on fools like you to sway public opinion. Well you had your chance and listening to your Saddam Leg-Lapping drivel only make our resolve even stronger.
Posted 28 March 2003 - 07:00 PM
Why just Iraq? You are forgetting about all of the other despots around the world. It is however, none of your business to install and depose governments around the world. You are violating your own charter not to mention int'l law. Try the NASCAR chat board.
Your time is going to come, and when it does, we'll all feel a whole lot better.
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