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#61 RRBum

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Posted 03 April 2003 - 03:23 AM

Hi, Oracle, you're a good person. You're right. And you're right about it being worst for the Jews too in the end. But, unfortunately, it probably won't be the Foxmans and the Riches and the Pearls and Wolfowitzes and Sharons, it will be the poor schlubs who are left behind to get it in the necks.

The Jews who got shoved into the German WORK CAMPS - Auschwitz and the like, were not the Bernard Baruchs and the big time war mongers, they were the poor schlubs who never hurt a soul.

There are people who read this international forum and they can see what is happening here. People have told me that I have changed their whole way of thinking right here on this forum (well the old Pravda forum actually) and that is gratifying.

Yes, it's so very wrong, and we couldn't live with ourselves if we didn't do something.


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#62 Oracle

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Posted 03 April 2003 - 03:27 AM

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Posted 03 April 2003 - 05:27 AM

I've had a lot of experience dealing with the **** of the earth.

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You get these unexpected little bouts of puritanism here. In between the non-stop filth and vulgarity from the kosher krowd, they censor words like S C U M !


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#64 Charlie Vike

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Posted 03 April 2003 - 03:08 PM

Sure fellas.

Al Qaeda admits it, but they're "lying" cuz "The Jews" were *really* behind it all.
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Posted 03 April 2003 - 07:12 PM

Who warned all the Jews at the WTC on 911, xxxx, "Al Quieda"?

Who sent in all the Mossad spies and Mossad film crews, xxxx, Al Quieda?

Who staffs almost all of Dubya's speechwriters and "advisors", xxxx, "Al Quieda"?

Who owns the US media and promotes their war against Islam round the clock, xxxx, Al Quieda?


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#66 Charlie Vike

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Posted 03 April 2003 - 07:28 PM

Give it up, Bummer.

Al Qaeda admitted they did it. All of the ranting, raving and fabricated spewings in the world (to which you make a huge contribution) won't render "the Jews" responsible for it.

Go back to that lame "werewolfwanking" forum of yours. I think Bushtapo misses you.
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Posted 03 April 2003 - 07:54 PM

"...won't render "the Jews" responsible for it...."


They are responsible whether they did it or not.

By the way, the thread starter says Bush knew, not that he or the 'Jews' did it. There is very good evidence that the mossad knew, and Germany and even a FBI agent spilled the beans and said information was spiked by superiors.

The reason the Jews are responsibe is because if angry muslims did it, it was because of the behavior of the Jews towards the Palestinians in Palestine/Israel. Very bad you know. The entire world outside the USA is outraged. Ariel Sharon is a super nazi sadistic butcher. And Palestinians are murdered without provocation and without consequence. Bush called the evil Sharon a man of peace and would not see Arafat, the Muslims saw that he was happy with the status quo. They weren't.

The Jews in Israel are behaving like nazis, only way worse. This is central to all these problems.
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Posted 03 April 2003 - 07:58 PM

Bush knew! And no one even tries to refute the evidence.

Gore Vidal says the Bush junta was behind the 911 attacks!

On whatreallyhappened.com you can see the damning video film of Dubya talking to the schoolkids about their lambs, and smiling broadly, and struggling to stay awake (they probably tripled his drug dosage that morning)- all this while NYC was being destroyed and another jet was streaking towards Washington!


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Posted 03 April 2003 - 08:03 PM

"...is it supposed to excuse the existence of Nazis? ..."


What do you mean? The Nazis that were heroically fighting the Jewish Bolsheviks and expelling the Jews from Germany in the 1930s or who you lable nazis today?
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Posted 03 April 2003 - 08:07 PM

And Sharon?
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Posted 04 April 2003 - 04:32 PM

THe Bush regime's complicity in the 911 attacks:

http://whatreallyhap...om/govknow.html


Bush knew!
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Posted 04 April 2003 - 04:37 PM

Bummer, Pravda even thinks you're a lying sack of Posted Image


See my earlier post and link---you're dead in the water.


Oracle, you pay far too much attention to the mere title of this thread, and not enough to the substance of what the Bummer is trying to claim.
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Posted 04 April 2003 - 05:28 PM

911 - made in Tel Aviv and Wash. DC.

Gore Vidal: The bush junta was behind the 911 attacks.


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Posted 04 May 2003 - 07:40 AM

Why do people keep pitching all these wacky conspiracy theories, when the real reasons behind the war are documented and out in the open? It seems that people just refuse to believe the most obvious truths until they hear it from the lips of their favourite oracle.

Sadam was leading a rebellion against the U.S. dollar. That rebellion was gathering a mighty head of steam. Many nations, including Russia by the way, had announced they were ready to follow Sadam's lead and dump the greenback in favour of the upstart euro. Sadam started it all, and he had to be stopped or demand for the dollar would have dropped like a stone, and the U.S. economy would have imploded in on itself, that implosion fuelled by 3 trillion dollars in circulation with no one wanting them. Other nations with large reserves of U.S. currency would have suffered too.

Hey, I'm not making this up. This isn't some nutcase fantasy in which Zionists ride in black helicopters to fire weapons of mass destruction from a grassy knoll at satanic abortion quacks creating a fake moon landing on a Hollywood film set. No, this stuff is all documented and proven. It's not even a theory let alone a conspiracy. It's just proven fact. Don't take my word for it. Use your favourite search engine. It isn't hard to find when you know what you're lookng for. Of course, if you're a Bush or Blair fan, you have to ready to have your bubble popped. Yes, the politicians lied like sidewalks. What a surprise!
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:14 AM

The Final Secret Of 911 May 03, 2003 Source: Justin Raimondo, Antiwar.com

How did 19 hijackers manage to decimate the Pentagon, destroy the World Trade Center, and plunge us into a war without end? That is the question we still don't have an answer to, two years after the worst terrorist attack in American history, and, if the Bush administration has anything to say about it - and they do - we won't have an answer any time soon. An 800-page report written by congressional investigators is being withheld from the American public, as Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball report in the current Newsweek, "including provocative, if unheeded warnings, given President Bush and his top advisers during the summer of 2001."

9/11 has been the rationale for a policy of perpetual war, the radical abridgement of our constitutionally-guaranteed liberties, and the barking chorus of television screamers who shout down all dissent as "treason." Yet Americans have no right to know how or why it happened. During ten months of probing by a joint House-Senate investigation headed by former prosecutor and Pentagon inspector general Eleanor Hill, staff members reviewed classified documents made available by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies. They also interviewed field agents, spooks, and senior government officials. The Senate and House intelligence committees approved the report, but the White House insisted that it be "scrubbed" before being released - that is, cleansed of any hint that the attack might have been prevented.

As if to underscore the profound guilt at the core of their adamant obstructionism, administration officials are insisting that portions of the report detailing what is already widely known be "reclassified." The infamous "Phoenix memo" written by an FBI investigator warning of Al Qaeda-linked operatives enrolling in flight schools is now an official "secret," although it has been published and cited in media all over the world. In explaining this Orwellian maneuver, an administration spokesman summed up the neo-imperialist theory of "democratic" governance to a tee:

"Just because something had been inadvertently released, doesn't make it unclassified."

A few weeks ago, a federal goon squad invaded an Indian restaurant just off of Times Square, held everyone at gunpoint, and burst into the kitchen like Reno's Raiders at Waco. One of the restaurant's customers, Jason Halperin, an American citizen - like everyone in the place - was on his way to see a play with a friend. They had stopped for a quick bite to eat - but, as it turned out, they would miss curtain time. "You have no right to hold us," his friend said. The response of the goons, as reported by Halperin, was that they were being held under the authority granted by the "Patriot Act." When Halperin demanded to see a lawyer, the masks really came off:

"As I continued to press for legal counsel, a female officer who had been busy typing on her laptop in the front of the restaurant, walked over and put her finger in my face. 'We are at war, we are at war and this is for your safety,' she exclaimed. As she walked away from the table, she continued to repeat it to herself: 'We are at war, we are at war. How can they not understand this.'"

We are at war, but what was the provenance of the catalytic attack that launched it? How is it that the mightiest nation on earth, a country that spends tens of billions per year on intelligence-gathering, was taken so completely by surprise? In the period leading up to the attack, after all, numerous commissions had issued well-publicized reports warning of the terrorist threat - even naming Osama Bin Laden as the potential perpetrator. Even if we accept the official line that they attacked us because we're so wonderful, we have McDonald's and free elections and MTV, the nagging question remains: how did they manage to pull it off? The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, charged with coming up with the definitive report on 9/11, is having trouble getting the documents it needs. What does the Bush administration have to hide?

There has been "a cover-up," charges Senator Bob Graham, Florida Democrat. Sure, he's a presidential wannabe, but even before his somewhat quixotic bid for the White House was announced, Graham - chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee - was hinting at the dark secrets of 9/11. In an interview with Gwen Ifill of PBS about the content of this secret report, Graham said:

"Going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States. I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots."

This isn't some wacko who stands on a street corner handing out crudely printed pamphlets, but a U.S. Senator who is in a position to know - so why isn't attention being paid? It isn't the National Inquirer or the Weekly World News but the respected German weekly Die Zeit that reports the story of how Israel's Mossad intelligence agency was tracking the 9/11 hijackers around the clock in the weeks and days prior to the attacks:

"Everything indicates that the terrorists were constantly observed by the Israelis."
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:14 AM

Two years ago this September, Fox News investigative reporter Carl Cameron told his audience:

"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'"

That's what they're telling us today when skeptics of the official story wonder how it could have happened: "Sorry, but that's classified information." The people of Iraq rifle through the files of the infamous Mukhabarat, yet we are denied access to vital government documents relating to the most important event of our times. Who is freer? In a curious inversion of the historical process, it looks like we're exporting "democracy" to Iraq - and importing totalitarianism to our own shores.

Senator Graham avers that foreign intelligence agencies are implicated not only in the financing but also in the execution of the hijackers' plans. Add to this the Isikoff-Hosenball revelations that our presidential helmsman was asleep at the wheel, and the political implications of the growing scandal are explosive. As Newsweek reports:

"One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike 'in the coming weeks,' the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: 'The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.'"

This sounds very much like the warning the Israelis claim to have issued in the summer of 2001, when an Israeli delegation of intelligence officials traveled to Washington. However, U.S. officials maintain that their warning was non-specific, except that the target was supposed to have been overseas. As to whether the Israelis, or the Americans, are covering up, is an open question. The answer is quite possibly both.

In any event, the President and other senior officials received that report, according to Newsweek, but since the list of recipients has been classified as "Top Secret," the Bushies are off the hook - for now. Another classified report given to Condoleezza Rice predicted attacks by Al Qaeda utilizing hijacked airliners, but it apparently only gathered dust on her desk.

Incompetence? If so, it's of the criminal variety. Complicity? Please don't tell me that "Bush knew" - that is the onanistic fantasy of the tinfoil hat brigade. But somebody knew, apart from Mohammed Atta & Co., or should have known. There is no question that the terrorists, in pulling off the 9/11 attacks, had access to some of this nation's most important secrets. New York Times columnist Bill Safire reported that, as the WTC went down in flames, the terrorists made it clear they had penetrated the inner defenses of White House security:

"A threatening message received by the Secret Service was relayed to the agents with the president that 'Air Force One is next.' According to the high official, American code words were used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible."

Safire swears this was told to him by Karl Rove, who said the President was going to go back to Washington until the Secret Service "informed him that the threat contained language that was evidence that the terrorists had knowledge of his procedures and whereabouts." As Safire put it:

"That knowledge of code words and presidential whereabouts and possession of secret procedures indicates that the terrorists may have a mole in the White House - that, or informants in the Secret Service, F.B.I., F.A.A. or C.I.A."

The deeper we get into what is already known, the more it seems like some formulaic thriller, with agents and double-agents operating in a clandestine world parallel to our own where the rules are repealed and everyone is a potential enemy. How can we possibly get through this dizzying maze of deliberate disinformation and tantalizing leaks without access to the intelligence gathered by our own officials, who supposedly serve at our behest? The answer is, we can't - so we'll just have to take the government's word for it, and accept the Official Story.

The lies - that is the worst aspect of the cursed age we are living in. The same government that lied us into war is now trying to stop us from getting at the truth about 9/11. Desperately, furiously, intransigently, they are fighting congressional investigators every step of the way before giving up even material that is already entered into the public record. That's how frightened they are. No doubt, they have good reason for their fear.

But just what are they afraid of? What is the final secret of 9/11? Will we really hate our rulers that much when we find out how they messed up? If so, then no wonder the Bushies are pulling out all the stops in covering up their tracks.


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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:16 AM

Its actually 17 Trillion of debt and another 50 trillion of derivaties.
When it goes watch out for the titanic landing on top of you.

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DO you (oh my good people of Pravda.com) know that the US Debt has now grown to the point that it is impossible for the national economy, even working at maximum capacity and
efficiency, to pay off the interest, much less the principal, with real production. ?????

do ya???????????

*The total value of U. S. debt*,
including $3. 5t. in Treasury securities, $2. 2t. in Federal agency securities,
$1. 2t. in tax exempt municipal bonds, $4. 4t. in mortgages, $2. 4t. in corporate
bonds, $. 8t. additional bank loans, $1t. in consumer credit, $. 6t. open market
paper and $1t. in S&L and finance company loans to business, is *17. 1 trillion*
dollars.

This total does not include mob loans, loan shark loans, money owed to bookies, friends and family, unfunded Social Security obligations or FDIC bank deposit insurance obligations, which (minus current time tax receipts) add another couple of trillion to bring the total debt to an estimated $19 trillion.

This amount compares to the total value of U. S. *real estate*, which stands at *$12. 9 trillion*, and the total value of U. S. *equities*, which stands at *$6. 1 trillion*, for a total value of private assets of *$19 trillion*. To put the value of this debt in perspective, to pay it off tomorrow would require the sale, _at today's high prices_, of the entire private land mass of the fifty
United States and all publicly owned U. S. companies in existence. The problem with even contemplating that fanciful solution is that the debtors don't own much in the way of those assets. We can say that in essence, the country's debtors have borrowed, and for the most part consumed, the entire investment value of the United States of America."

t- stands for trillion

When the shit hits the fan, it ain't gonna be a pretty sight.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 08:28 PM

When I quote such figures I tend to use the most conservative numbers available, because I think they are damning enough. But there's nothing wrong with looking at the numbers the way you present them either. Your figures are doubtless a better accounting of the true state of the U.S. economy, and it shows in crystal clear terms why Sadam was marked for death; why an entire regiment of U.S. Marines went to Iraq with Sadam's murder as their openly stated mission.

Can you imagine, with all that debt, what would have happened if the U.S. dollar suddenly dropped in value by half or maybe more? That's why Sadam had to be stopped. All the lies about weapons of mass destruction etc. were just the usual capitalist's trick of trying to make themselves appear magnanimous when in fact they are concerned with nothing but their own personal benefit.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 08:47 PM

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Posted 04 May 2003 - 08:51 PM

CONFESSING FRAUD
FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH
By: Ed Henry
How long are you going to take this crap? It seems like ages that I've been harping on the rip-off, scam, double taxation, crimes of our federal government and how $2.7 trillion of the national debt is absolutely fraudulent.Now, we're hearing it right from the bandits themselves in offhanded and somewhat obtuse remarks like this:In the latest issue of Forbes Magazine, owner, publisher, and ex-presidential candidate Steve Forbes wrote an article titled "Fact and Comment" (page 27), in which he said; "Our national debt today is a little more than one-third of GDP" (Gross Domestic Product).

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