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#21 YUGO

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Posted 17 April 2003 - 07:39 AM

Oh dear, It seems to be all about OIL, the basic fuel of any successfull FW country.

The USA expects to have another 200 million consumers in 70yrs, considering the annual resource usage the average American consumes, other countries trying to massively develop will be thwarted....my guess is that after the US has secured the ME on behalf of itself and Israel{Zionist's in particular}...it will engage in war with either India or China...and eventually both, as these massive economies threaten the US's resources.

India and China's pop expected to be 4 Billion in 25-30yrs....so here come the Zingers!!!.

Don't forget, Globalization is IMPOSSIBLE, but installing democracies{US puppets is LIKELY}.

Why would Palestine be upset at the US for giving Israel $100 Billion a yr....who can understand these freakin Arabs!

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Posted 17 April 2003 - 08:55 AM

George W. Bush is intent on making the world a territory of the USA and its Big Oil interests. The thought that he stands for peace or prosperity is a lie. His interest is in war, for all dictators need a compliant military to further their diabolic goals. The wrongful invasion of Iraq to rid it of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" was only a pretext to take over Iraqi oil fields. The mercaneries that he and Blair sent into combat only rifled in on those least able to defend themselves, which is why 732 women, 211 children, and 389 old people were killed by USA propelled missles shot into cars, trucks, and vans, as well as dropped on homes, schools, and hospitals.

Until George is stopped there will be no peace.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 08:57 AM

Originally posted by YUGO
Oh dear, It seems to be all about OIL, the basic fuel of any successfull FW country.

The USA expects to have another 200 million consumers in 70yrs, considering the annual resource usage the average American consumes, other countries trying to massively develop will be thwarted....my guess is that after the US has secured the ME on behalf of itself and Israel{Zionist's in particular}...it will engage in war with either India or China...and eventually both, as these massive economies threaten the US's resources.

India and China's pop expected to be 4 Billion in 25-30yrs....so here come the Zingers!!!.

Don't forget, Globalization is IMPOSSIBLE, but installing democracies{US puppets is LIKELY}.

Why would Palestine be upset at the US for giving Israel $100 Billion a yr....who can understand these freakin Arabs!

BTW, excellent links PACIFIC:)



George W Bush believes his hand-outs to Israel will ensure him of the Jewish vote in 2004. He may be right, sadly.

While I support all people--and have a Jewish wife--I am 100% opposed to the Israeli state. It is merely a frontispiece for the most evil empire in history: George W. Bush's USA.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 08:59 AM

Originally posted by vietnambob
Not that things aren't always subject to change but if so,...

according to how things have worked in the past I would already know its leaders name by heart and hundreds of evil things he had done and I barely know who he is and that he hates Israel....and us.

Not enough propaganda yet for a military move IMO.

Looks like it is next for economic warfare though.



Sagely put. I support you. I do not support George W. Bush, his war, nor his troops, for they are on the move for and toward world dominance. The Arabs are foolish if they think this evil man and his rogue regime will stop with Iraq. Syria is next. Then Iran. Then Saudi Arabia. The propaganda is building.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 09:40 AM

The day after September 11th 2001 My buddy and I were talking, Both ex-US Military with access to good intel. We predicted then 3 countries that had the resources and could execute/support that day.
Yep Afganistan, Syria, and Iraq. There is no doubt that all three are guilty of conspiring to murder Americans around the world. You say no? Then You do not know what I know. Sure I dont expect you to trust me. Don't!...... just go down and read my last line.

About oil? So if Russia trained and provided homes to all these terrorists would this then be about vodka? That is yes a resource of the area but no reason to go to war over and That is NOT why we are at war.

Yes Syria needs to open up or get their *** kicked. This is not new intel.

Nothing anyone can say to convince you folks that the US does not have a world domination goal. We can't keep all you lakees on welfare! So we'll all just have to wait and see.

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Posted 17 April 2003 - 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Quiet Man
The day after September 11th 2001 My buddy and I were talking, Both ex-US Military with access to good intel. We predicted then 3 countries that had the resources and could execute/support that day.
Yep Afganistan, Syria, and Iraq. There is no doubt that all three are guilty of conspiring to murder Americans around the world. You say no? Then You do not know what I know. Sure I dont expect you to trust me. Don't!...... just go down and read my last line.

About oil? So if Russia trained and provided homes to all these terrorists would this then be about vodka? That is yes a resource of the area but no reason to go to war over and That is NOT why we are at war.

Yes Syria needs to open up or get their *** kicked. This is not new intel.

Nothing anyone can say to convince you folks that the US does not have a world domination goal. We can't keep all you lakees on welfare! So we'll all just have to wait and see.

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Quietman argues that he and his ex military buddy have intel. Interesting. I am retired military, too. And I worked directly with the intelligence arm of the DOD.

Al-Quida--the official original boogeyman hated by W Bush--was known since the Clinton days--and the GOP controlled Congress and the Pentagon refused to do anything about it save a short and abortive sortie in Afghanistan. Both the CIA and FBI had intelligence reports that the WTC would be hit and that there were other trained "martyrs" willing to die for Islam who would strike the Sears Building in Chicago, and other landmarks and large urban areas. The CIA, FBI, and Pentagon rejected such intelligence--too busy ferreting out and dismissing homosexual linquists for fear they would be propositioned and wouldn't know how to say no to the sexual offers that were never issued or given.

Syria stands for the Arabia of its era and clime. It is buttressed by a rightful hate of the State of Israel that was forced upon the Middle East by a breast-beating western culture that felt shamed that they didn't stop one of their own--Adolf Hitler--from wrongfully taking over 6,000,000 Jewish lives--while saying nothng about the 3 million Russians and 500,000 homosexuals who were butchered along with thousands of Gypsies and numerous dissenters.

The contemporary state of Israel has no justifiable or legal claims to its lands--the majority of which were stolen from Egypt and the Palestinians--the rightful owners of this territory--but then that has been the habit of the Israelis (who include many non-Jews) since the legendary days of the ancient Habiru who attacked and destroyed the civilization of the Canaanites (later known as Philistines and in truth were Palestinians) because of their arrogance in believing their agricultural god (yahweh) was superior to fertile mother god of the Palestinians (Asherah).

The USA is in an imperialistic drive--as it has been since the 19th century when it barbarically pushed the Indians out of their rightful home in their drive to control the new continent from coast to coast. It will attack Syria for its wealth and to make that free nation a subject of USA Big Business. This is wrong and the USA of George W. Bush must be stopped as George W Bush does not speak for all true Americans--he speaks for damn few.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Larani
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The duplicit and devious Secretary of State Collin Powell has finally admitted that the USA was directly involved in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Chili. Under the vile and repulsive rule of Reagan the USA brought down other legitimate governments: in Nicaurgua and elsewhere in the name of Christianity and Capitalism. Only a fool would trust the USA today under Bush II for this putrifying son of the former Bush has already committed himself to world war that he euphemistically styles liberation--yes--liberation of the rest of the world's natural resources to feed his cronies gluttoneous appetites for profit. Why else do you think that the corrupt Congress of the USA is going after oil in Alaska's wilderness

I am sorry Doc but the use of your English clearly proves only one thing to me your agenga. Words like "duplicit and devious"
"vile and repulsive" Are you that upset that Reagan made a major push to end the Cold War, of course we both Kow it's not over don't we.

As for Alaska, that's easy The US is trying to rely less on outside sources for Oil since the actions of the US against Terrorist has for some reason caused many Governments to become anti-us seems there are many out there on the internet who are spreading many rumors and hate full words towards the US economic system especially by making it a Bush issue. Understand this Bush is a servant to the majority of the US government the whole government is a servant of the US governement. and if these servants do not protect the us citizens safety and well being then they wouldn't be doing their jobs in which case I and many many others will no vote for him or anny party he respresents.

Words dear Doc are not enough actions is required. Now I am fully aware of all the secret services of all the governments of the world and I know that the US has done things that other governments have done as well, and it is the very fact that you only mention the US that your bias shows. I believe You hate Bush, You Hate Capitalism, You hate the American Way. Now which group do you work for Socialist Party, Communist Party I haven't figure that out yet, but your statements clearly show your not a capitalist or a supporter of democracy.



You are wrong on all points. I am not a communist (unless you consider the original definition as cited in Acts 2:24ff where the faithful shared all things in common), but definitely a socialist in the sense I believe in social security, public roads, public health, public libraries and other amenities for the social fabric.

I am a strong believer in democracy (citing the Greek: demos--of all the people) but not the electoral college or the republican (from res-publica: for a limited few over the many), and vote in every election (I never did like Gore). As a democrat (note the lower case d) I am opposed to all terrorism and camps that train terrorists therefore I must condemn the US military and its South Carolina camp that trains terrorists--and the US governmentS (note the plural) that trains terrorists to overthrow legitimate governments such as Chile.

Reagan was a disaster and the economy went to hell during his administration. It is far worse under Bush II.

As for oil, there are other regions--such as Wyoming, undeveloped fields in Texas, etc--that negate any necessity of going into the Alaska wilderness. That is merely a ploy to grab the land and wrest it from nature. No, America needs to end its dependence on oil and turn to alternative fuels. Not invade weaker countries to take over their oil field.

Hate Bush? I hate his misguiding democracy and his administration bent on world domination which even Condoleeza Rice admitted with Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfston. Remember that in the USA dissent is not only acceptable but what made the nation--from its dissent against King George III of Great Britain, to dissent against slavery, to dissent against women not having the right to vote, to dissent against the evil war in Vietnam, to dissent against rural areas remaining impoverished until the REA under Roosevelt.

You better rethink your history and try again. I would claim, uncharitably, that you are more unAmerican and than I. But that is unkind so I won't.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Larani
The Good Doctor Say's,

"Hate Bush? I hate his misguiding democracy and his administration bent on world domination which even Condoleeza Rice admitted with Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfston. Remember that in the USA dissent is not only acceptable but what made the nation--from its dissent against King George III of Great Britain, to dissent against slavery, to dissent against women not having the right to vote, to dissent against the evil war in Vietnam, to dissent against rural areas remaining impoverished until the REA under Roosevelt.

You better rethink your history and try again. I would claim, uncharitably, that you are more unAmerican and than I. But that is unkind so I won't."

Then Vote there is another presidential election coming up. and I am not saying there is anything wrong with speaking out, but you only attack US action in other countries like Chile, but the fact is every first world country in the world does this it's not a American problem it a Gobal Problem. All first world counrtries promote their causes why do you only target the US Doctor.

United States forces in Iraq are being shot at by AK-47's, and Silkworm missles and French missles sold in 3/2002 well after UN sanctions. So if you are an American I ask you who do you support which Governerment in the world do you think has the Better system Hmm.



It was a Patriot missile--one of ours--that brought down the Air Force jet. It is our weapons that fire into cars nearing check points that killed 7 women, 2 children, one old man. It is our missiles that blew up bridges, killing a family of fourteen, etc.

I support all people to chose their own individual form of government that they feel is right for them. While I spurned and scorned Saddam as a mad butcher--he was elected with the same precision as our antiquated and oligarchical Electoral College elected W Bush president--it was not the will of the majority. The same is true in UK where the Prime Minister is elected by Parliament--indirectly by the people.

I am proud to be an American as I can voice dissent--and study--and like you, read other papers. Only with Pravda can we have this spirited exchange, for I have been silenced by numerous US papers that write to me saying they will never print letters critical of the W Bush regime. Now that is democracy. Which do you think is more open--Pravda or the US papers?
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 11:33 AM

Sorry - Doctor. As someone with whose views I can identify, I hate to contradict you. The choice of Prime Minister is effectively made by his party in advance of an election. Whether he/ she is retained into a second term is again the province of the winning party, not the electorate.
Parliament does not elect him/her. And once in place the party whips can ensure agreement with whatever the Cabinet decides...in contentious matters where the public might appreciate a voice, the whip is usually especially heavy. All we can change at election time is the governing party. Thereafter democracy is a bit of a side-issue.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 11:31 PM

"George W. Bush is intent on making the world a territory of the USA and its Big Oil interests.
Until George is stopped there will be no peace."'

Certaintly we need to be rid of nuts like Dubbya, but until people come to terms with Capitalism's expansion dictates, we'll never have the opportunity for peace as the US acting as a Zionist puppet, or merely as the dominant political entity will continue on in expansion mode no matter who is in the Whitehouse.

10-15yrs of more record breaking temps, record breaking droughts+ increasing floods, salinity and Jellyfish empires will force people into realizing that we are reaching the endpoint of Capitalism.....it will become obvious that the basis of all wealth is the environment and that the basis of all health is a functioning biosphere.
Mysteriously SARS appears to have orginated in China, a country which is currently thrashing it's environment and releasing "superbugs" as a consequence of polluting and devastating numerous ecosystems.
SARS being just one more example of the danger of miss-managing ecosystems.


"While I support all people--and have a Jewish wife--I am 100% opposed to the Israeli state. It is merely a frontispiece for the most evil empire in history: George W. Bush's USA."

I support all people and don't believe that all Jews are Zionist's, but if you think silly Dubbya's bad, just wait until we get a real serious resource pinch.
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Posted 17 April 2003 - 11:44 PM

I was wondering exactly where you got your so-called "Intel" from? Being a veteran and ex-military intel type myself, I just have to know. Is your intel based on conversations you've had with some of your Arab hating buddies in the barracks? It's pretty obvious from your comments that you haven't worked any ops focused on the Middle East, if you've ever worked in the Intelligence community at all.
Do you honestly believe that our country was blindsided by the attacks of September 11th? Do you honestly believe that the NSA had email correspondence detailing these attacks but failed to produce a translation until three days after the attack? C'mon, is this how Intel was handled in any unit or agency you ever worked with? Have you ever, in your supposed intel career, witnessed an intercepted transmission, of any type, that was then left to sit for three days untranslated? We don't intercept communications to shelve them. That's not how it works, if you've worked in intel, you know this!
Remember Pearl Harbor. We let an attack happen once. What makes you think our government wouldn't let it happen again? Without 9/11 the door to war in the Middle East would have remained closed to this administration. Do a little digging of your own. Especially keep your eye on what Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle were up to in the 90's. They have been looking for a catalyst to ignite that region for the last 12 years. The evidence is out there...... use your intel skills to go get it!
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 05:30 AM

Among all the postulated hidden motives in the current conflict in Iraq, it's worth noting those of Canada's Prime Minister, Mr. Chretien. His son-in-law is the largest share-holder in TotalFinaElf, the French corporation with the virtual monopoly on Iraqi oil (until a couple of weeks ago, that is). And Russia, China and France were Iraq's largest weapons suppliers (82%, for those three). Notice a certain correlation with the countries who had "grave moral reservations" about attacking Iraq? Hmmmm...
Squawking about Jews just serves as a diversion. But, if you must pick on a Jew, choose one who did some real damage: Karl Marx.
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 09:54 AM

Originally posted by unbias
Sorry - Doctor. As someone with whose views I can identify, I hate to contradict you. The choice of Prime Minister is effectively made by his party in advance of an election. Whether he/ she is retained into a second term is again the province of the winning party, not the electorate.
Parliament does not elect him/her. And once in place the party whips can ensure agreement with whatever the Cabinet decides...in contentious matters where the public might appreciate a voice, the whip is usually especially heavy. All we can change at election time is the governing party. Thereafter democracy is a bit of a side-issue.




You are absolutely correct, colleague. I apologize for I was over-simplifying the issue in hopes that my reply would not be overly-complex. I should have stated it as succinctly and cogently as you. The Prime Minister is selected by the party that wins the election. Thanks.
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 09:56 AM

Originally posted by YUGO
"George W. Bush is intent on making the world a territory of the USA and its Big Oil interests.
Until George is stopped there will be no peace."'

Certaintly we need to be rid of nuts like Dubbya, but until people come to terms with Capitalism's expansion dictates, we'll never have the opportunity for peace as the US acting as a Zionist puppet, or merely as the dominant political entity will continue on in expansion mode no matter who is in the Whitehouse.

10-15yrs of more record breaking temps, record breaking droughts+ increasing floods, salinity and Jellyfish empires will force people into realizing that we are reaching the endpoint of Capitalism.....it will become obvious that the basis of all wealth is the environment and that the basis of all health is a functioning biosphere.
Mysteriously SARS appears to have orginated in China, a country which is currently thrashing it's environment and releasing "superbugs" as a consequence of polluting and devastating numerous ecosystems.
SARS being just one more example of the danger of miss-managing ecosystems.


"While I support all people--and have a Jewish wife--I am 100% opposed to the Israeli state. It is merely a frontispiece for the most evil empire in history: George W. Bush's USA."

I support all people and don't believe that all Jews are Zionist's, but if you think silly Dubbya's bad, just wait until we get a real serious resource pinch.



Yugo, you are 100% correct. The "real serious resource pinch" is clsoer than most realize. It is time now to work toward alternative energy sources. We must have a glass of beer together. They make some great Australian and New Zealand beers, as well as German. Take your pick.
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Larani
The Good Doctor Say's,

"Hate Bush? I hate his misguiding democracy and his administration bent on world domination which even Condoleeza Rice admitted with Deputy Secretary of Defense Wolfston. Remember that in the USA dissent is not only acceptable but what made the nation--from its dissent against King George III of Great Britain, to dissent against slavery, to dissent against women not having the right to vote, to dissent against the evil war in Vietnam, to dissent against rural areas remaining impoverished until the REA under Roosevelt.

You better rethink your history and try again. I would claim, uncharitably, that you are more unAmerican and than I. But that is unkind so I won't."

Then Vote there is another presidential election coming up. and I am not saying there is anything wrong with speaking out, but you only attack US action in other countries like Chile, but the fact is every first world country in the world does this it's not a American problem it a Gobal Problem. All first world counrtries promote their causes why do you only target the US Doctor.

United States forces in Iraq are being shot at by AK-47's, and Silkworm missles and French missles sold in 3/2002 well after UN sanctions. So if you are an American I ask you who do you support which Governerment in the world do you think has the Better system Hmm.



I do not support the USA or UK troops in Iraq. Both armies are shooting missiles and bullets at civilians--from outside the bank in Saddam's hometown, to car caravans crossing the bridges. NPR (National Public Radio) has an excellent eyewitness account to this butchery.

I dispise Saddam as much as I dispise Bush and Blair. 3 Wrongs are unforgiveable. I side with the people of Iraq over the armies of the allies--and nationalism has nothing to do with it. Thanks for the civility of this last letter you wrote.
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 01:10 PM

" It is time now to work toward alternative energy sources."

Well Sir, it's my contention that because of our global population, because of the necessity of advanced countries needing to increase pop's to cater for the dictates of capitalism...that an alternate energy INDUSTRIAL economy merely delays the inevitable, that of political, societal and ecological breakdown.

In my view, we will attempt to convert to alt energy, but will breakdown eventually as over-pop and over consumption takes it's toll.


"We must have a glass of beer together. They make some great Australian and New Zealand beers, as well as German. Take your pick."

LOL....oddly enough I'm unable to stomach beer, but occassionally indulge in vodka and orange.
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 01:45 PM

Can anyone reading this tell me whether it is true that one of the US conditions for ending sanctions on Iraq is that Iraq sells oil to Israel? And if so, what happened to the self-determination Iraq was promised?
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Posted 18 April 2003 - 03:02 PM

Originally posted by DonSilver
for the US, israel is nothing more than the lesser of two evils in the middle east. americans probably like the french better than the israelis at any given time.



I'm an American woman living in Seattle and I just want to add my two cents here.

It is a huge mistake for our neighbors to generalize anything about Americans. Over the last 40 years, we have been so beaten down by our own government when we tried to make social and political change that the majority of Americans cannot even be heard.

We are a nation of refugees, if anything, disenfranchised from the power of the people that was the heart and soul of our government ideal. Effectively, we are prisoners of our government.

Huge groups of Americans with nothing in common except an intense opposition to the Bush administration and its immoral acts can protest all day long, for weeks and months, and even though we ARE the majority, and the majority rules a democracy, we are ignored.

We can pass laws, but the next legislative session or lawsuit will overturn those laws.

If any one generalization can apply, Americans are helpless. America is NOT George W. Bush and his pals. America is not what you see on the news, or what politicians say in sound bites.

Originally posted by DonSilver
the average american redneck wants to see syria, iran, saudi arabia, etc. get their asses kicked just because they are viewed as one big family of US-hating muslims.



This is a crock of shit.

Originally posted by DonSilver
the average tobacco-spitting, gun-toting american cowboy wannabe doesn't need some jew to get him fired up about arabs.



Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by DonSilver
i guess the jew-conspiracy theory goes that the jews are really behind all the arab terrorist attacks, so as to get the US to kick the arabs asses on their behalf.



For at least the next 30 years or so, until my generation passes away and the brainwashed masses who do not use their brains become the majority, stupid conspiracy theories and hateful prejudices will never prevail.

We are not, in the main, concerned about anything except surviving in this difficult world. And believe it or not, it has become almost impossible to be happy in America, where no one believes in the government anymore and no one has any power to do anything about it.

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 07:28 AM

"I was wondering exactly where you got your so-called "Intel" from? Being a veteran and ex-military intel type myself, I just have to know."

Ole Quiteman has no intention of answering you as you've exposed him as a braggart.
He's quitely maturing as we speak...LOL.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 11:51 AM

Originally posted by YUGO
" It is time now to work toward alternative energy sources."

Well Sir, it's my contention that because of our global population, because of the necessity of advanced countries needing to increase pop's to cater for the dictates of capitalism...that an alternate energy INDUSTRIAL economy merely delays the inevitable, that of political, societal and ecological breakdown.

In my view, we will attempt to convert to alt energy, but will breakdown eventually as over-pop and over consumption takes it's toll.


"We must have a glass of beer together. They make some great Australian and New Zealand beers, as well as German. Take your pick."

LOL....oddly enough I'm unable to stomach beer, but occassionally indulge in vodka and orange.



My good colleague, Yugo--Vodka and orange is ideal! Let us indulge. But first, a response.

The world's population is too great. War, pestilience, famine, and plague was the means of ridding it in the mind of Reverend Thomas Malthus centuries ago, but I have a far more simple solution.

It would make sense to tax the family of each child born into its circle. Taxes are a deterent. But if that is too extreme, let us legalize abortion on demand, and let us make homosexuality legal as homosexuality is nature's most perfect form of birth control (true homosexuality--not bisexuality). This should upset the hate mongers and those who feel that a fetus is a person even though fetal tissue without all nerves joined is but tissue.

War is a waste of natural resources as well as people. It is an unacceptable choice. Execution is a waste of minds. Famine and plague are unacceptable, so let's tax, or legalize sex.

Still want the screwdriver drink? I hope so.
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