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#61 Saddam

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Posted 20 April 2003 - 07:59 AM

The Fraud of Zionism
by Wilbur Sensor
Most people have been trained to think of Zionism in positive terms. This is understandable. Decades of propaganda have misrepresented Zionism as a progressive, modern force bringing civilization to an arid, uninhabited wasteland. Such an image is an illusion. This essay will uncover the true history of Zionism. It will reveal the facts and make clear the real nature of the movement.

A MOVEMENT WHICH ASSUMES THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF JEW AND GENTILE
Zionism is an apartheid philosophy. Its founder, Theodore Herzl, was dismayed by the mass anti-semitism in France aroused by the Dreyfuss affair. He became convinced that the separation of the Jews from the Gentiles by ingathering all Jews in a separate Jewish nation was the only solution to the age old "Jewish problem". Herzl spelled out his program in his book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State):

"The Jewish question exists. It would be foolish to deny it... The Jewish problem exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers. Where it does not exist, it is introduced by Jews who move in... I believe I can understand anti-semitism, which is in many ways a complicated movement. I look on this movement from the standpoint of a Jew - but without hatred or fear. I believe I recognize in anti-semitism what is crude humor, ordinary economic envy, inherited prejudice, religious intolerance - but also what is deemed to be self defense."

"Anti-semitism grows daily, hourly, among the peoples, and must continue to grow since its causes continue to exist, and cannot be alienated."

"The causa remota is the loss, in the Middle Ages, of the ability to assimilate; the cause proxima is our overproduction of middling intelligences, that can neither be drained off, nor rise higher-hence, no healthy draining off, and no healthy rising to a higher level. Downward, we are being proletarianized into revolutionaries; we are the subalterns of every revolutionary party, while at the same time our terrible financial might grows upward."

"Will it not be said that I am putting weapons into the hands of the anti-semites? Why? Because I acknowledge the truth? Because I do not assert that there are none but excellent people among us?"

"It is a national question; to resolve it we must, above all, first make it into a world political question... We are a people, a people..."
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 05:37 PM

Herzl demands:

"We be given sovereignty over a part of the earth's surface sufficient for the rightful requirements of our people; we shall take care of everything else ourselves."

"No one is strong enough, or rich enough, to move a people from one dwelling place to another. Only an idea can do that. The idea of a state may well have such force."

"No economic disruptions, no crises, nor persecutions will follow after the departing Jews, but rather a period of prosperity will begin for the lands left behind. An internal migration of Christian citizens into the positions surrendered by the Jews takes place. The outlook is gradual, without any jolt, and its very beginning is the end of anti-semitism."

"The Jews leave as respected friends. If individual Jews then return, civilized countries will receive and treat them just as they would treat the citizens of any other foreign country."

"This emigration is no flight, but an orderly withdrawal, under the observation of public opinion. The movement is not only to be organized by completely legal means, it can, in any case, be accomplished only with the friendly collaboration of the participating government, which derives substantial benefit therefrom."

As these paragraphs make clear, to be a Zionist one must believe there is a Jewish problem. No Zionist since Herzl has ever repudiated this basic philosophical premise:

"If we do not admit the rightfulness of anti-semitism, we deny the rightfulness of our own nationalism. If our people is deserving and willing to live its own national life, then it is an alien body that insists on its own distinctive identity, reducing the domain of their life. It is right, therefore, that they should fight against us for their national integrity.... Instead of establishing societies for defense against the anti-semites who want to reduce our rights, we should establish societies for defense against our friends who desire to defend our rights."
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 05:51 PM

Hi The French !!!!. Happy Easter to you and everybody who's been reading my post.



A MOVEMENT WHICH NEVER TOOK ANY CONGNIZANCE OF THE POPULATION OF THE LAND IT COVETED

The Zionists have long maintained the myth, especially in the United States, that Palestine was uninhabited before the arrival of the Zionists. This deception is easily refuted. The British Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, writing on October 26, 1917:

"Now what is the capacity as regards population of Palestine within any reasonable period of time?...What is to become of the people of this country, assuming the Turk to be expelled, and the inhabitants not to have been exterminated by the war? There are over a half a million of these, Syrian Arabs- a mixed community with Arab, Hebrew, Canaaite, Greek, Egyptian, and possibly Crusaders' blood. They own the soil, which belongs either to individual landowners or to village communities. They profess the Mohammedan faith. They will not be content either to be expropriated for Jewish immigrants, or to act merely as hewers of wood and drawers of water to the latter."

Palestine at the beginning of the Zionist movement was part of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. Herzl, when he decided to champion a Jewish state in Palestine, necessarily made overtures to the Sultan on behalf of Zionism. These negotiations establish that the Zionists were well aware of the existence of the Palestinian Arabs.

"'When Herzl had spoken of a Charter (from the Sultan) he had not, needless to say, contemplated any eviction of the Arabs of Palestine in favor of the Jews. He was, to judge from his Congress addresses, hardly aware that Palestine had settled inhabitants, and he had, in perfect good faith, omitted the Arabs from his calculations.'"( Zionism, Leonard Stein.)


"Was there ever anything more extraordinary than this? Vast plans are made engaging the destinies of a multitude of people, yet the man who engenders these plans never takes the essential first step of surveying the land where he purposes to carry them out. Nor apparently do any of his associates suggest it to him. There might be no Arabs in the world for all the difference it makes to him or to his associates."

"Year by year Zionist congresses are summoned... Was a single day's session of a single Congress devoted to the discussion of the understanding which must be reached with the people of Palestine? Not one."

"There were nineteen Jewish colonies established in Palestine before the year 1900... All these trusts and colonies and the people who inhabited them were in regular continuous communication with Jewish bodies and persons throughout Europe and America..."

"In a hundred ways the conditions prevailing in Palestine and the existence of the Arabs and the varying ways in which the Arabs reacted to existing colonies and to the promise of more colonies must have been known to all active Zionists."

"The only conclusion then, and it is a conclusion forced upon the observer, is that if Zionism was unaware of the Arabs it was because most Zionists perceived an obstacle in the Arabs and did not want to be aware to them.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 06:28 PM

Hey Saddam, hope you have adequate supplies, until my brethern imperialist leave your land! (probably in about 200 years!) :P ....yea, lots of folks don't realize there were no Jews until Abraham, who came from your area! So all those great, Biblical characters before Abraham were obviously non-Jewish!
Also, Israel was abandoned for four hundred year by Jacob, he moved everyone to Eygpt, because they all got very hungry! Looks like those who did stay, and weather out the storms of life, would have rights to this property, because it was abandoned! HAZ, has posted this before, however, it's good fuel for productive thoughts, would'nt you agree? Regards to the Iraqi people, hope there not suffering to badly, from anglo intrusion. And, a very happy Easter to all, nice to have thoughts of eternal life in Heaven!
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 08:19 PM

Happy Easter to you HAZ !!!


A MOVEMENT WHICH DISREGARDED PRIOR OBLIGATIONS

Zionism, in addition to coveting someone else's land, has always ignored the issue of prior obligations. The Arabs fought as Great Britain's ally in World War I against Imperial Germany's ally, Ottoman Turkey. The Arabs were guaranteed independence in an unified state once the war was won. The British pledge of Arab independence was contained in a letter dated October 25,1915 by Sir Henry McMahon, British High Commissioner in Egypt to Sheriff Hussein of Mecca.

"The districts of Mersina and Alexandretta and portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, hama, homs, and Aleppo cannot be said to be purely Arab, and should be excluded from the proposed limits and boundaries. With the above modification, and without prejudice to our existing treaties with Arab chiefs, we accept these limits and boundaries..."

"Subject to the above modifications, Great Britain is prepared to recognize and support the independence of the Arabs within the territories included in the limits and boundaries proposed by the Shereef of Mecca."

British politicians later pretended that the pledge given by Sir Henry McMahon did not include Palestine. They are impeached by a secret Political Intelligence Department Memorandum on British Commitments to King Hussein.

"With regard to Palestine, His Majesty's Government are committed by Sir H. McMahon's letter to the Sherif on the 24th October, 1915 to its inclusion in the boundaries of Arab independence."

The Zionist claim to Palestine has always rested on Lord Arthur Balfour's letter of November 2, 1917 promising British support for a "Jewish national homeland" in Palestine. This letter was issued nearly two years after Sir Henry McMahon's pledge of October 25,1915.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 09:42 PM

A MOVEMENT WHICH WROTE ITS OWN TITLE
Foreign Office

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothchild

"I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a National home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

This document is the grant deed which planted Zionism in the Near East. It is the most discreditable document ever issued by a major power. It was written by those to whom it was addressed and was the payoff for a shameless political manipulation.

The British government did not abandon its pledge to the Arabs because of altruistic concern for a "Jewish national homeland". The real reason was stated by David Lloyd George, Britain's wartime Prime Minister:

"There is no better proof of the value of the Balfour Declaration as a military more than the fact that Germany entered into negotiations with Turkey in an endeavor to provide an alternative scheme which would appeal to Zionists. A German-Jewish Society, the V.J.O.D. was formed, and in January 1918, Talaat, the Turkish Grand Vizier, at the instigation of the Germans, gave vague promises of legislation by means of which "all justifiable wishes of the Jews in Palestine would be able to meet their fulfillment".

"Another most cogent reason for the adoption by the Allies of the policy of the Declaration lay in the state of Russia herself. Russian Jews had been secretly active on behalf of the Central Powers from the first; they had become the chief agents of German pacifist propaganda in Russia; by 1917 they had done much in preparing for that general disintegration of Russian society, later recognized as the Revolution. It was believed that if Great Britain declared for the fulfillment of Zionist aspirations in Palestine under her own pledge, one effect would be to bring Russian Jewry to the cause of the entente."

"It was believed, also, that such a declaration would have a potent influence open world Jewry outside Russia, and secure for the entente the aid of Jewish financial interests. In America, their aid in this respect would have a special value when the Allies had almost exhausted the gold and marketable securities available for American purchase. Such were the chief considerations which, in 1917, impelled the British Government towards making a contract with Jewry."

The eminent Mr. Lloyd George's opinion is confirmed by numerous other sources, especially by Mr. Samuel Landman in his work Great Britain, The Jews and Palestine, Mr. Landman was a very well known English Zionist whose positions included honorary secretary of the Zionist Council of the United Kingdom in 1912, editor of The Zionist, 1913-1914, solicitor and secretary of the Zionist Organization, 1917-1922, and author of several Zionist publications during World War One. His opinion is thus an official one which is completely consistent with that of Lloyd George.

"Mr. James A. Malcolm... spontaneously took the initiative, to convince first of all Sir Mark Sykes, Under-Secretary to the War Cabinet, and afterwards M. Georges-Picot, of the French Embassy in London, and M. Gout of the Quai d'Orsay (Eastern Section), that the best and perhaps the only way (which proved so to be) to induce the American President to come into the War was to secure the co-operation of Zionist Jews by promising them Palestine, and thus enlist and mobilize the hitherto unsuspectedly powerful forces of Zionist Jews in America and elsewhere in favor of the Allies on a quid pro quo contract basis..."

"The Balfour Declaration, in the words of Prof. H.M.V. Temperley, was a 'definite contract between the British Government and Jewry' (History of the Peace Conference in Paris, vol 6, p.173). The main consideration given by the Jewish people (represented at the time by the leaders of the Zionist Organization) was their help in bringing President Wilson to the aid of the Allies."

Thus, according to the documented statements of both parties the British betrayed their war time ally, the Arabs, in deference to Zionist manipulation in bringing the U.S. into the war on Britains side.

The Balfour declaration was not written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour. It was written by American and English Zionists on both sides of the Atlantic. Many versions were prepared, discarded and rewritten before the final version was submitted to Lord Balfour to be issued in his name. English politicians, such as Lord Robert Cecil, made minor emendations to the letter which their Zionist "professors" wrote for them. The Covenant of the League of Nations which provided the international legal basis for establishing a British protectorate, or "Mandate" over Palestine was largely written by the Zionist agent, South African general Jan Smuts. The drafting of the language of the actual Mandate was written by U.S. Zionist and Harvard Law Professor Felix Frankfurter at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 10:42 PM

" After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P. Morgan Co., and the Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York York paying for the stock with the Czar's sequestered funds!
Thus the Romanoff family actually owns the controlling interest in the Federal Reserve Banks today!
Since 1917, a cloud has hung over the financial structure of the Western democracies, threatening their jerrybuilt structure, the fear that some court somewhere, might eventually rule that the Czar's funds must be turned over to the reightful heirs. This would affect not only the ownership of the Federal Reserve Bank stock, but, with payment of interest, would mean the end of our ten largest financial institution."......why did Germany, realy declare war on Russia in 1914? :P
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 03:09 AM

A MOVEMENT WHICH DISCARDED ITS OWN SPONSOR

The British Mandate existed only to protect the incoming Zionists from the native Arabs. Mr. Vladimir Jabotinsky makes this clear in his 1923 title The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs):

"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs... A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future."

"If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some 'rich man' or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not "difficult', not 'dangerous', but IMPOSSIBLE!...Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important.... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing."

The British soon realized what a grave problem they had created for themselves by sponsoring Zionism in Palestine. The Arab riots of 1920, 1921, 1929 and 1936-39 brought one British investigating commission after another to Palestine, all reaching the same conclusion - the cause of unrest in Palestine was massive Jewish immigration into a land already inhabited by Arabs.

In 1937 a Royal Investigating Commission headed by Lord Peel concluded that the proper solution to Jewish-Arab tension was to partition Palestine, creating a Jewish state, an Arab state and a British maintained "Polish Corridor" dividing the two. The Zionists reluctantly accepted the partition proposal but the Arabs did not. From this point on the British had outlived their usefulness to the Zionists.

In 1944 the terrorist underground Jewish group, the Irgun Zvai Leumi, began a partisan war to drive the British out of Palestine. The many bloody misdeeds of this group included assassinating British Soldiers, raiding British military depots, assassinating the British High Commissioner in Egypt, dynamiting the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, etc. until the British finally quit Palestine on May 15, 1948.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 03:37 AM

Saddam:

A few years ago, I read this biography of a women who lived in Amsterdam. She was a jew and she married a guy who became the head of a Jewish University here. Anyway, she was trying to tell everyone how hard the jews had it in Amsterdam in WWII and how the germans persecuted the Jews. Anyway, she said that on several occassions, they came to her house and inspected her papers but that they never bothered her. She did not find this surprising or shocking. She had fled from Paris before the fall and went to Amersterdam to get a one way ticket to go to America. According to her, all of her papers were legal. In any event, she spoke about the deal that germany had with the World Zionist organization and an agreement they had to let Jews go to Palestine. She also spoke about a secret underground railroad (my interpretation) where they secretly housed jews and then slipped them out on ships headed for Palestine. According to her, as long as the boat was going to Palestine, they did not bother with the details. If you need the reference, I'll get back to you. But, I found that interesting.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 04:47 PM

Houlin , thanks for posting. I've heard the same story and similar from other sources. It's very probable.


A MOVEMENT WHICH COLLABORATED WITH THE AVOWED ENEMY OF ALL JEWS

Zionism was founded on the mutual incompatibility of Jew and Gentile. As such it had a built in incentive for collaborating with another ideology built on the incompatibility of Jew and Gentile - Nazism.

Zionist collaboration with National Socialism dates almost from the inception of the Hitler regime. The Ha'avara, or Transfer Agreement dates from May, 1933. Under this arrangement approximately 10% or 50-60,000 of Germany's 500-600,000 Jews were sent to Palestine with their assets minus an exit tax. This fulfilled the Zionist desire to reroute Jews to Palestine while promoting the Nazi desire to rid Germany of Jewish influence.

Zionism enjoyed the official favoritism of the Hitler government. Numerous articles praising Zionism appeared in the German press. Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Reich Propaganda Minister, commissioned a special medallion commemorating Zionism. The Zionist blue and white flag was the only national symbol permitted to fly in Germany other than the swastika. More importantly, special Zionist training camps existed in Germany to train German Jews for agricultural work in Palestine.

On at least one occasion, Chaim Weizmann the future first president of Israel vetoed the Rublee-Schact plan of January, 1939 which would have removed all Jews from Germany within a five year period. Weizmanns reason for so doing? He felt it was preferable to leave the Jews under German control so that they could later be sent to Palestine, rather that allow them to choose their own destination. In this regard Weizmann endorsed the thinking of his political rival, David Ben-Gurion:

"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel." (Yoar-Gelber, Zionist Policy and the Fate of European Jewry (1939-42), Yad Vashem Studies, vol. XII,p.199.)
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 04:48 PM

A MOVEMENT WHICH REJECTS INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION BUT WHICH DEMANDS INTERNATIONAL OBEDIENCE

Zionism has never rested on consent, either of the Arabs of Palestine, of the influential English Jewish community which opposed it when first proposed or of the occasional gentile politician who warned of its dangers. Zionism has always demanded "Bow Down Before Me"!

Zionism ignored the British White Papers urging restriction of Jewish immigration to Palestine, it has ignored the United Nations resolutions on return of conquered territories, it continues to ignore the settlements on the West Bank of the Jordan river.

Zionism will never become a democratic movement because it is a doctrine of divine right. It is rooted in blood, mysticism and return to the soil.

Zionism has forged its case. It has used deceit, broken promises, backroom diplomacy, violence, blackmail and terrorism to achieve its ends. It has slept with the Devil while posing as an angel.
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 05:06 PM

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle." -- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)

"Arabs tend to confess; it's part of their nature" -- Moshe Etzioni, an Israeli high court justice, in an interview with Amnesty International, when asked about the unusually high rate of confessions from Palestinians (indicating Israel's use of torture), 1977. Quote from a Noam Chomsky interview in the progressive.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein (Cited in the New York Times, 02/28/1994.)
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Posted 21 April 2003 - 10:52 PM

"[My] awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state." -- Albert Einstein, quoted in an article by Mordecai Briemberg published in The Outlook, 04/01-0/15, 1998.

"We consider ourselves no longer a nation, but a religious community, and therefore expect neither a return to Palestine, nor a sacrificial worship under the sons of Aaron, nor the restoration of any of the laws concerning the Jewish state." -- The Pittsburgh Platform, 1885, the classic statement of the protestant or Reform Judaism)


Zionism had roots in Jewish Messianism. It, however, translated this Messianism into plans for colonization. Most Jews (reform and orthodox) opposed Zionism until WWII. Even though Orthodox Jews wanted to live in Jerusalem, they still considered Zionism a heresy, as the return of Jewish political control of the land of Israel would take place only by the Messiah in his coming. Their desire to live in Israel was only for the purpose of more effective prayer in the Holy land. Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews in addition were offended by Zionism's effort to transform Hebrew into a modern secular language. (-- Paraphrased from "The Wrath of Jonah" by Rosemary and Herman Ruether, 1989)
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Posted 22 April 2003 - 04:54 AM

Discrimination Against Non-Jews (Israeli-Arabs) citizens of Israel:

1 - Israeli-Arabs are discriminated against based on military service. Israeli-Arabs don't serve in the Israeli Army and most job applications require, implicitly at least, army service for employment. Also, "Arab towns and villages have been disadvantaged in the allocation of budgets and services, leading to wide gaps in development between most Arab localities and their Jewish neighbors" -- Alouph Hareven, Near East Report (AIPAC newsletter), 10/11/1993

2 - The Christian population of (the ever expanding) Jerusalem was 30,000 in 1948; today it is 2000, due to the systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from that and other areas around Israel. (Paul Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1996) Unlike Jews, Arabs are always denied a permission to build and expand.
92% of the land in Israel falls under the Administration of the Jewish National Fund, where the land can not be sold to non-Jews. Result: the 18% Israeli-Arabs own only 4% of the land.
If, say, a Peruvian converts to Judaism and emigrates to Israel, he immediately has more rights than Israeli-Arabs who have lived in the land for many centuries.

3 - "Israel was among the countries cited for discrimination in the U.S. State Department's first annual assessment of religious persecution around the world. While Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Serbia and Burma were subject to some of the report's harshest criticism, Israel was cited for denying its Arab population the same quality of social services that the nation's Jews receive." The Jewish Telegraphic Agency (9/13/99)
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Posted 22 April 2003 - 05:23 AM

"Although the Jews have appeared in the histories of other nations throughout the centuries, they were never able or willing to establish a nation of their own. They remain forever desolate in this regard. The only way the Jews got possession of Palestine was by using other people to steal it from the Turks and Arabs for them. The so-called 'Israeli' state is nothing but a parasitic state, since it is occupied by parasites. The Jews get billions of dollars from Germany as 'reparations' and 'restitution payments' for its alleged 'war crimes' against Jews. They get billions more every year from the United States. It (Israel) has to steal or buy technology from Western nations as the Jews have not the creativity to develop their own. The Jewish state of Israeli would collapse in a minute without the continued support, protection and assistance from Jacob/Israel (The White Nations of Christendom). It is not, never has been, and never will be a self-sustaining nation." (Charles A. Weisman, Who is Esau-Edom?, pp. 27-28).
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YUP. Parasites always need a host to live on. No host no parasites.
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Posted 22 April 2003 - 01:31 PM

You raise some good point which I wanted to touch on.

"Although the Jews have appeared in the histories of other nations throughout the centuries, they were never able or willing to establish a nation of their own." Under Cleopatra who was really a greek and not an egyptian, there were many jews who thought they were better than her. They were also a state within a state and refused her any interaction, refused her taxes, refused her intercourse and created communities unto themselves. Karl Marx later said that the jews wanted everyone to respect them and to not discriminate against them but they would not offer the same rights to others. No one could likewise expect to be included into their affairs like they wanted to be in others...note all their lawsuits.They remain forever desolate in this regard.'

The only way the Jews got possession of Palestine was by using other people to steal it from the Turks and Arabs for them. In the Beggars Cup by I don't know who,t hey tried to buy the state back in the 1890's but were shunned by the Padi Shah and the rulers of the Ottomans. It was for this reason that they were virtually destroyed at the Paris Peace talks 30 years later and relegated to Turkey all but destroyed.

"The so-called 'Israeli' state is nothing but a parasitic state, since it is occupied by parasites." This is what Karl Marx said.

" The Jews get billions of dollars from Germany as 'reparations' and 'restitution payments' for its alleged 'war crimes' against Jews." The interesting thing here is that the jews themselves get paid from Germany every month. They get a check from the Deutche Bank and I knew several jews who got this check. But utterly shocking is that Israel gets reparations from them and Israel was not even a state back in 1945 when the war ended. The zionists of the US made this happen. It says something about the power of the Jews even back then.

" They get billions more every year from the United States." Most of the real aid they get is hidden. Much of the technology and weapons are squealed away in warehouses, labeled surplus, devalued then given to Israel for nothing and written off. It seems that $1.00 can turn into thousands.

" It (Israel) has to steal or buy technology from Western nations as the Jews have not the creativity to develop their own. The Jewish state of Israeli would collapse in a minute without the continued support, protection and assistance from Jacob/Israel (The White Nations of Christendom). It is not, never has been, and never will be a self-sustaining nation." I remember when Israel was first defeated. The romans were so surprised by what they got from them when they sacked the temple. Tons of documents were burned millions of pounds of gold looted thousands of underground rooms with all sorts of booty. I think they have learned a lesson and I would not put anything past them. I think the reason they have burned down all of the libraries in Iraq is to maintain a monopoly over Technology. There will come a day when Israel will rule the world. And we will have to beg on all four. Have you read Richard Wagner's the Ring of the Niebelungen. You must do that.
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Posted 22 April 2003 - 11:56 PM

Thanks for posting Houlin.



Zionist-Nazi Alliance, Anti-Semitism, and the Holocaust

Zionist-Nazi-Fascist Alliance
"In working for Palestine, I would even ally myself with the devil"
-- Vladimir Jabotinsky founder of Revisionist Zionism (Likud party roots)
responding to condemnation for his alliance with Ukranian pogromist Petlyura.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel." -- Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation)

In 1941, Yitzhak Shamir committed "an unforgivable crime from the moral point of view: he preached an alliance with Hitler, with Nazi Germany, against Great Britain." -- Bar Zohar "Le proph?te arm?: Ben Gourion." (Fayard. Paris 1966, p.99.)

"The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list of priorities of the ruling class. It was the foundation of the State which was primordial in their eyes." -- Tom Segev. "Le septi?me million" (the Seventh Million) Ed. Liana Levi, Paris, 1993, p.539"
Zionism emerged in response to anti-Semitism. However, Zionism then turned to anti-Semitism as a means to achieve its goals. Zionists looked at anti-Semites as allies in helping them get the Jews out of Europe. This alliance indicates that the Zionists were not really interested in eliminating the suffering of the Jews.

Vladimir Jabotinsky Despite his alliance with Ukranian pogromist Petlyura, it wasn't Jabotinsky who perpetrated the worst alliance with the Nazis, but the Labor Zionists: Ben-Gurion and Weizmann. In 1933 a world boycott German goods spontaneously emerged. Had this boycott been supported by all Jews, Zionists and non-Zionists, some believe that the German economy would have cracked and Hitler toppled. However, it was thanks to Labor Zionist and their "transfer" (ha'avara) agreements with the Nazis, that led to many trade agreements which resulted in the failure of the world boycott against the Nazis. Jabotnisky opposed the transfer agreement, and wanted to champion the boycott. However, during WWII, his heirs (e.g. Begin, Stern, Shamir) attempted their own alliance with the Nazis against the British who were occupying Palestine at the time. (Paraphrased from "The Wrath of Jonah" by Rosemary and Herman Ruether, 1989). This information can also be found in Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators; 1983.

Zionism's Indifference to the Genocide of Jews. Pointing fingers at the world for its indifference to the genocide of the Jews, while busy using the Holocaust for political gains at the expense of the Palestinians, Zionists have a lot to hide about their indifference, even collaboration, with the Nazis and the Fascists, as their fellow Jews were being sent to concentration camps. It seems that this finger-pointing by the Zionists is nothing more than a smoke screen to hide their dark past of allowing other Jews to die, while the Zionists were lobbying to rob Palestinians of their country. Excellent books on the topic are Zionism in the Age of the Dictators by Lenni Brenner and The Seventh Million by Tom Segev; (both authors are Jews).
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Posted 23 April 2003 - 12:29 AM

WAGNER, RICHARD. 19th century German composer.

"The Jew has never had an art of his own, hence never a live of art-enabling import... "So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it, down to the epochs of Mozart and Beethoven, there was nowhere to be found a Jew composer: it was utterly impossible for an element quiet foreign to that living organism to take a part in the formative stages of that life. Only when a body's inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of judgment in it - yet merely to destroy it.
On one thing am I clear: that is the influence which the Jews have gained upon our mental life, as displayed in the deflection and falsification of our highest culture-tendencies. Whether the downfall of our culture can be arrested by a violent rejection of the destructive alien element, I an unable to decide, since that would require forces with whose existence I am unacquainted. (Judaism in Music)


SHAW, GEORGE BERNARD. 20th century British dramatist.

"This is the real enemy, the invader from the East, the Druze, the ruffian, the oriental parasite; in a word: the Jew. (London Morning Post, December 3, 1925)
This craving for bouquets by Jews is a symptom of racial degeneration. The Jews are worse than my own people. Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race (chosen by the late Lord Balfour) can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings. (Literary Digest, October 12, 1932)


LINDBERGH, CHARLES. 20th century American aviator, writer.
Wednesday, August 23, 1939

"We are disturbed about the effect of the Jewish influence in our press, radio and motion pictures. It may become very serious. [Fulton] Lewis told us of one instance where the Jewish advertising firms threatened to remove all their advertising from the Mutual system if a certain feature were permitted to go on the air. The threat was powerful enough to have the feature removed."
Thursday, May 1, 1941

"The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are opposed to it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in its teeth' and is hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press and radio and most of our motion pictures. There are the 'intellectuals' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the British agents who are allowed free rein, the international financial interests, and many others." (The Wartime Journals)
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Posted 23 April 2003 - 02:51 AM

George Bernard shaw was the greatest thinker and writer of the 20th century and if he said that, he was on target.

As for Richard Wagner, he wrote a book, The Ring of the Niebelungen. This is in 4 parts and it is a Nordicc Myth with Nordic Gods. This masterpiece or opera with the same name was put to music. On the whole, he was highly religious and most of his works were about God, but this work was before Christianity and it really deals with the Nordic Religions and in myth form. He is showing how the Jews destroyed Valhalla and how they changed the world. His primary interest was to lead to the new world and how it came to pass that Christianity finally came to the world. But in the world of the past, he depicts the struggle between the Jews and the world that is ongoing. It is in epic form and it would do your heart a world of good to understand this. You could get bored to death since the work is 8 hours long and in German, but you should read the book if you can find it.
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Posted 23 April 2003 - 03:24 AM

no trolls ? geee what a surprise :)

excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent thread brother !

my total admiration for all the hard work n research you must have put in.

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