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RUSSIANS BUILD FAR-BETTER -WARBIRDS than the USA! Why it is so hard to understand, ?


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#221 AIRFORCE1

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Posted 20 May 2003 - 02:16 PM

Simon666

Here is the link. Read at the bottom.

Max Speed: Mach 1.8 - Mach 2.0
Apparently capable of a Mach 3 performance




http://www.abovetops.../pages/f22.html
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Posted 20 May 2003 - 02:23 PM

<<Max Speed: Mach 1.8 - Mach 2.0
Apparently capable of a Mach 3 performance>>

The Mig-25 can also reach Mach 3. You know how it ends up if it does. I doubt it can fly long above Mach 3 as the canopy of the F-22 is pretty long in comparison with the SR-71 (small windows) and the Mig-25 (no long canopy). It would serve as a greenhouse at that speed.

I really doubt it and think that Mach 2 is really the upper limit. Mach 3 is probably when unloaded with weapons and with limited fuel in order to escape, not to attack and for short time, if possible at all.
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Posted 20 May 2003 - 02:29 PM

I looked it up once and seem to be right:

<<It has been rumored that the Raptor is capable of a mach 3 dash which means a short (2-5 minute) travel at mach 3 speed.>>
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Posted 20 May 2003 - 02:49 PM

Simon666, that was a great link. Had some good info. who knows what the plane can really do. I suppose the plane could not fly at Mac 3 for very long but when the bombs are gone and you need some quick speed it can be useful.
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Posted 21 May 2003 - 02:17 AM

AND I THOUGHT WE SETTLED THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL!

I SEE I WAS MISTAKEN!


RAPTOR is A Joke, IT CAN NOT EVEN REACH MACH 2!

THE SECRET IS , AMERICANS LACK EXPERTISE IN ADVANCED METALLURGICAL TECHNOLOGY!

NO SECRET,

FORGED TITANIUM TO BUILT SR-71 WAS BOUGHT FROM RUSSIA-SOVIET UNION THEN, YOU KNOW THAT, DON'T YOU MORONS!
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Posted 26 May 2003 - 10:56 PM

>>>FORGED TITANIUM TO BUILT SR-71 WAS BOUGHT FROM RUSSIA-SOVIET UNION THEN, YOU KNOW THAT, DON'T
YOU MORONS!<<<<

ha ha ha ha

fu-cking idiots


cheers pilot
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Posted 26 May 2003 - 11:17 PM

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Posted 27 May 2003 - 12:30 AM

Charles,

you could be just right, but in any event your society will collapse by 2025 just came home from a trip to USA and my conclusion is you are on your way to become another Brasil!

the system is not important people are important, look what is happening to your people!

You almost look like some grotesque " afro chino Mexico" where everybody hates everybody else and the whites who keep your country together are dying out!

sorry there is no need to nuke you
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Posted 27 May 2003 - 01:24 AM

Well, that was in pipes for some time now. Here in Europe we look differently at the relationship between employee and employer. We think about our jobs more as about small businesses, I do not think I work for Elf I think my business called "Robespierre Inc. " sales its services to ELF. Negotiations are very important part of doing business, when negotiations fail war is the only answer. If push come to shove we the people are prepared to do another 1789 Bastille storm. And why not, we arent slaves of anybody. We are free people.

In 21st century with our technology of manufacturing there is enough money so everybody in Europe starts work with 4 week vacations, has medical care and education paid by means of our taxes and retires at age 55-60 .

Unless our elite steals the $$$$. then, we will change our elite. Our trusty guillotine again will come to the picture. And why not we have only one life.
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Posted 27 May 2003 - 01:55 AM

c2w,

the most important business for you is YOU, remember you have only one life, enjoy it to the fullest.

Today, unless someone steals money (like your Enron's management did) there is no reason you couldn't retire with full pension at age of 55 and your children did not have universal health care and education system, no reason at all.

Executives of Enron did not worry about quality of the product they put on the street, did they. They took care of their own businesses -THEM. So is your ruling class, Bush and his brothers.

Your Business is YOU, not the firm you are selling your service to. Do not wary about the Firm, it will negotiate their deal with you too. Make sure you are not a loser! Most of all unite with the folks around you, that way you can bargain more effectively.

That's all
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Posted 27 May 2003 - 02:25 AM

The Raptor is the best jet!
Russian birds are junk!
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Posted 27 May 2003 - 03:09 AM

Compared2W,

do not speak so negatively about the roll of government in our societies. The government is the people we hire to provide very important services to us. Very important services. We deposit a lot of money in form of our taxes so the government [people we hired] can allocate this money for:

Universal Health Care for all
Education up to college for all (with the exception of people with very low IQ)
Legal and Police System to keep in check our financial elite -me included (note > government is not to work for the elite it is to work for the people)
Our citizens who can not take care of themselves anymore
Infrastructure- roads parks etc
Military forces (which are needed in case of invasion)

If government's people are not willing or not able to do this job for us we ought to fire them and give the contracts to people who can do the job.

As you can see, the governmental services are not charity. Government [people we hired] are to perform very important functions.

Since I am a multibillionaire I can easily get by without any governmental bodies but 90 % of Swiss need governmental servants very badly they are to busy working to do all those things themselves.

If the Swiss people wouldn't need government's services we would not have government[people we hired] in Switzerland. People would fire the government. Who knows, one day we may have enough time, enough high tech to manage our day to day activities ourselves. For now, Swiss hire the people [government] to do this job for them.
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Posted 27 May 2003 - 04:11 AM

Compared,

I do. In Switzerland I pay very high taxes so does the rest of the citizenry. We use our taxes to pay for necessities like universal healthcare or education or basic housing for those who are not fortunate enough and/or not " the sharpest".

This 21st century after all
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Posted 30 May 2003 - 02:25 AM

well, 50% is a lot!
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Posted 30 May 2003 - 02:27 AM

well, 50% is a lot!
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Posted 10 June 2003 - 03:03 AM

Scientific projects of the new ISS crew

L. Mugalyova
Russia's "Soyuz" spaceship, equipped with a new system of control and considerably modified, has arrived
in orbit and automatically docked with the International Space Station (ISS). The new crew plans to carry out
several experiments there.
"It seems to me," says Edward Lou, "that among the most interesting are the following 5 experiments:
making photos of the undocking process. Filming in the ultra-violet rays will be experimental. Another interesting
experiment is called "Kristall" (crystal). Conducting such an experiment, we will be able to observe the so-called
"charged" crystals. It is impossible to "simulate" this process, that is , to hold it on the Earth. And finally, this
makes it possible to reduce bone tissue losses. This is a very important problem in view of the planned flights to
far-away planets. Should one fly to Mars, he or she will have to know how to control bone tissue losses. We
have developed special physical exercises, which it would be absolutely impossible to do on the MIR station. The
International Space Station is far more spacious. This means that there we'll find much time for physical
exercises."
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 02:45 AM

NEWLY-DEVELOPED A-40 AMPHIBIOUS PLANE

The Russian naval command has decided to take on board the newly-developed A-40 amphibious plane
now being built in Taganrog, in southern Russia.
The A-40 is a unique aircraft. Experts call it an example of hydrodynamic excellence and the best
submarine hunter around. The turbo jet Albatross can land on water virtually everywhere, braving 2-meter high
waves and keep an attentive ear on dozens of square kilometers of water surface at a. time.
Weighing 86 tons, it has a maximum speed of about 700 km per hour, which is way beyond the capacity
of Japanese and Canadian counterparts.
Besides its purely military functions, the Albatross can be used as a flying hospital carrying up to 70
patients.
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:57 AM

Russia reexamining its military
MOSCOW -- The rapid disintegration of Saddam Hussein's Soviet-style army has offered some sobering lessons for the future of Russia's military, itself a crumbling ruin of the mighty force that once defended the USSR.

Today, as millions of Russians celebrate Victory Day, their attention will be focused squarely on the past: The Red Army's defeat of Nazi Germany 58 years ago. The most popular Russian holiday, it commemorates the Soviets' finest hour. It's also a chance for Russia's military leaders to show their readiness to defend the country.

But a growing number of military observers here say the generals are living in the past. They say that Russia's army is disintegrating by the day, bogged down in a costly conflict in Chechnya, manned by dispirited draftees, armed with Cold War-era weapons, and led by commanders whose concept of Russia's national security is no less outdated.

President Vladimir V. Putin has ordered the transformation of his 1.1-million-man military into a smaller, better-equipped, professional army to meet 21st century threats.

But the generals have resisted rapid change, and the Russian Army today is merely a stripped down, impoverished version of what it has been for decades -- a massive, unwieldy conscript force built for 20th century battles on the plains of Europe, with too many generals and not enough battle-ready troops.

Advocates of a Russian volunteer army say the swift defeat by US-led forces of Hussein's military -- described by a senior American official in Moscow recently as a ''miniature version of the Russian Army'' -- drew attention to the weakness of Moscow's own forces.

''The Iraqi war has proven once again that a volunteer contract force equipped with state-of-the art weapons and using modern tactics can fulfill any task,'' said Russian lawmaker Alexei Arbatov, a retired lieutenant colonel.

Some Russian observers see in Iraq's defeat echoes of their own army: inadequately trained troops, poor coordination among units, a rigid and technologically outdated command control system, badly maintained equipment, and low morale.

''Go on the street and ask who is ready to defend [Russia] and you will immediately see unpleasant parallels [with Iraq],'' retired general and Russian lawmaker Andrei Nikolayev said last month. ''The outcome of a war depends on army's morale.''

But Nikolayev, like other Russian generals, insists that defending this huge nation requires a large reserve force, ''which can only be raised by conscription.''

Some Russian generals had predicted that the US assault on Baghdad would be as difficult and costly as the Russian Army's two campaigns in Chechnya, which have claimed at least 5,000 soldiers' lives.

Instead, they saw Iraqi soldiers, demoralized, hungry, and unwilling to fight a fast-moving and vastly technologically superior foe, deserting their posts en masse. That image is mirrored every week in Russia, where dispirited draftees flee their units by the dozen, escaping not an invading army but brutal hazing and miserable conditions.

In an event that cast a shadow over Victory Day celebrations, Private Erdem Tsyrenov deserted his post at a weapons dump in Siberia yesterday with his AK-47 rifle. He was later found dead in an apparent suicide, military officials said.

Tsyrenov's story is not an isolated case. Soldiers' advocacy groups suggest over 300 recruits committed suicide and possibly several thousand died last year from beatings and institutional hazing of new recruits by older servicemen. Alexander Savenkov, Russia's chief military prosecutor, said Tuesday that more than 300 officers were convicted and 2,000 soldiers faced charges in 2002 for beating subordinates.

Many draft-age men pay bribes of up to $5,000 to avoid conscription. Many others who can't pay their way out of service desert their posts.

On Wednesday in Moscow, a 20-year-old draftee seized a truck and led dozens of police cars on a high-speed chase through Moscow before officers stopped him by firing rounds into the tires. The soldier, Sergei Zaletayev, said abuse by his commanding officer forced him to flee his unit south of Moscow. On Sunday in the southern Russian region of North Ossetia, which borders Chechnya, 14 soldiers left their unit to report rampant hazing.

Since 1991, the Russian Army's annual budget has dropped to $10 billion from $155 billion. Only Russia's strategic nuclear forces have updated their weaponry in the last decade. The lack of funding has grounded aircraft, left much of the Navy to rust in port, and forced poorly trained draftees to man combat units, despite the promises of Russian defense ministers since 1991 to bring change.

''No one wants to serve in our army,'' said Boris Nemtsov, leader of a reformist political party that proposed a switch to a professional army within three years. ''We cannot afford to postpone this any longer.''

But on April 24 Putin's Cabinet chose instead to back the vision of the current defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, of an incremental switchover to a volunteer service.

The plan would replace draftees in 209 combat units with 170,000 professional soldiers by 2008. Only later would military leaders consider reducing the term of compulsory military service from two years to 12 months. The plan would cost $4.34 billion, most of which would be spent on repairing military barracks and paying salaries.

Nemtsov said the government has made it clear it could not provide the funding demanded by the generals, who threaten to derail their plan. He and other critics warn against allowing the generals to conduct their own reforms, citing rampant financial abuses. The military prosecutor's office said 500 officers had been charged with corruption last year.

Other critics say the military's idea of reform misses the point.

''Our military leaders cannot even imagine that two divisions can take Baghdad practically without losses,'' commented Alexander Golts, military analyst for the weekly magazine Zhurnal.

The American military's easy victory in Iraq has caused the military brass and political elite to do some soul-searching. But the generals are caught up in Cold War-style analysis of the US capabilities rather than applying the lessons of Iraq to their own military, said Celeste Wallander, a specialist on the Russian military at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Russians will not be able to see the need for reform until they ''give up the US [and NATO] as a primary military threat,'' Wallander said.


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That image is mirrored every week in Russia, where dispirited draftees flee their units by the dozen, escaping not an invading army but brutal hazing and miserable conditions.
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Terminator
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That image is mirrored every week in Russia, where dispirited draftees flee their units by the dozen, escaping not an invading army but brutal hazing and miserable conditions.
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here we go , parrot !

and again the same sentence spread by my preferate brain damaged in this reply

, think , focus , think , focus!

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Posted 13 June 2003 - 03:54 AM

TERMINAL ONE,


IF RUSSIA GOES DOWN YOPU WILL GO WITH IT,

YOUR AS-S WILL BE NUKED 1000 TIMES OVER!
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