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RUSSIANS BUILD FAR-BETTER -WARBIRDS than the USA! Why it is so hard to understand, ?


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#301 The Beat

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:46 AM

Okay, Skippy,

I'll try to answer your questions as best I can through all this clutter.

Thanks Buttersideup, BTW.

I am not an airplane expert, certainly not a military one. I did work at an airport in Geneva, Switzerland, as a plane loader,which means I don't know anything.

With today's technology, it is hard to find any competition to the American aerospace industry, however, Aerospatiale in France, Airbus Industries in Europe and the British aerospace industries are definitely valid competition. I know much less about the Russian aerospace industries, so I can't really talk about them.

Overall, it still looks a lot like the US vs the world - for example, in the commercial jet industry and militarily in the heavy bomber and fighter jet areas. But, I'm sure you are about to see a small flood of dissenters from around the world more than happy to prove my statements nothing more than trash talking from the US.

So be it.
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#302 Buttersideup

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:51 AM

I know it's not a plane. But there are two Americans happy to be on the ground right now. I've heard how backward Soyez crafts are....on the other hand...they don't blow up :rolleyes:
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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:54 AM

what's "Soyez", Buttsideup? Did we mean "" "
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#304 The Beat

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:54 AM

Buttersideup,

Excellent post!! (I think we usually write "Soyuz" in the Roman alphabet).
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#305 Buttersideup

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:56 AM

deRobespierre


You're giving me a headache
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#306 Buttersideup

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 03:57 AM

The Beat


Forgive my spelling.....
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Posted 14 July 2003 - 01:37 PM

F/A 22 Raptor...The best fighter jet in the world!


Mission

The F/A-22's combination of stealth, supercruise, maneuverability, and integrated avionics, coupled with improved supportability, represents an exponential leap in warfighting capabilities and allows for the full realization of operational concepts that are vital to the 21st century Air Force. The F/A-22 is a critical component of the Global Strike Task Force that is designed to project air dominance, rapidly and at great distances, to counter and defeat threats that will attempt to deny access to our forces. The F/A-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected adversary fighter aircraft.

Aircraft Features

First look/first shot/first kill in all environments A combination of improved sensor capability, integrated avionics, improved situational awareness, and improved weapons provides first-kill opportunity against the threat. The F/A-22 possesses a sophisticated sensor suite that allows the pilot to track, identify, shoot and kill the threat before it detects the F/A-22. Significant advances in cockpit design and avionics fusion improve the pilot's situational awareness. Advanced avionic technologies allow the F/A-22 sensors to gather, integrate and display essential information in the most useful format to the pilot.

Air-to-surface capability. The F/A-22 has a significant capability to attack surface targets. The aircraft is capable of carrying two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) internally and will use on-board avionics for navigation and weapons delivery support. Future air-to-ground capability will be enhanced with the addition of an upgraded radar and the Small Diameter Bomb.

Stealth. Advances in low-observable technologies provide significantly improved survivability and lethality against air-to-air and surface-to-air threats. The F/A-22 brings stealth into the day time, for the first time, enabling it to not only protect itself but other stealth assets as well. The F/A-22's combination of reduced observability and supercruise accentuates the advantage of surprise in a tactical environment.

Supercruise. The F/A-22 engines produce more thrust than any current fighter engine. This allows the F/A-22 to efficiently cruise at supersonic airspeeds (>1.5 Mach) without using afterburner--a characteristic known as supercruise. Supercruise greatly expands the F/A-22's operating envelope in both speed and range over current fighters, which must use fuel-consuming afterburner to operate at supersonic speeds.

Increased maneuverability. The sophisticated F/A-22 aerodesign, advanced flight controls with thrust vectoring and high thrust-to-weight ratio provide the capability to outmaneuver all current and projected threat aircraft. The F/A-22 design has been extensively tested and refined aerodynamically during the development process.

Increased lethality and survivability. The F/A-22's characteristics provide a synergistic effect that ensures F/A-22 lethality against all advanced air threats. The combination of stealth, integrated avionics and supercruise drastically shrinks surface-to-air missile (SAM) engagement envelopes and minimizes enemy capabilities to track and engage the F/A-22.

Improved reliability and maintainability. To ensure operational flexibility, the F/A-22 has better reliability and maintainability than any fighter aircraft in history. An F/A-22 squadron will require less than half as much airlift as an F-15 squadron to deploy. Increased F/A-22 reliability and maintainability pays off in less manpower required to fix the aircraft and the ability to operate more efficiently.

Background

The F/A-22 is an air superiority fighter that incorporates the latest technological advances in reduced observables, avionics, engine performance and aerodynamic design. Knowledge gained from proven weapon systems such as the F-15, F-16 and F-117 formed the foundation for F/A-22 development. The F/A-22 enhances the joint fight by establishing air dominance, thus providing ground, naval, and special operations forces with unimpeded access to their targets.

General Characteristics

Primary Function: Multi-role fighter, air dominance.

Builder: Air Vehicle -Lockheed-Martin, Boeing; Engines - Pratt & Whitney

Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofan engines with afterburners and two-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles.

Thrust (each engine): 35,000-pound class.

Length: 62 feet, 1 inch (18.9 meters).

Height: 16 feet, 8 inches (5.1 meters).

Wingspan: 44 feet, 6 inches (13.6 meters).

Speed: Mach 2 class.

Ceiling: Above 50,000 feet (approximately 15 kilometers).

Empty Weight: 40,000-pound class (approximately 18,000 kilograms).

Armament: One M61A2 20-millimeter multibarrel cannon with 480 rounds; side weapon bays can carry two AIM-9 infrared (heat seeking) air-to-air missiles and main weapon bays can carry (air-to-air loadout) six AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles or (air-to-ground loadout) two 1,000-pound JDAMs and two AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles.

Crew: one
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#308 AIRFORCE1

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 06:17 PM

I am with you mission, somtimes I catch myself posting stupid stuff in retaliation to stupid posts by US haters and bashers.

I am trying to break myself of the habit, sometimes it's pretty hard not to post something back just to piss them off.:D
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#309 Buttersideup

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 06:29 PM

@Mission

*Bows slightly at waist*

Thank you putting some things back in perspective :)
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#310 Atheris

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 07:11 PM

Just a sidenote about the testosterone effect...

Men invented airplanes...that's why we like them so much. And men invented the various engines that power the vehicles of the world. That's why we like to go fast. We generally understand that women care far less about these things than we do.

The "pissing contest" is a human behavioral trait most obviously expressed by males. It has more to do with competition than insecurity. Women, however, have their own little versions, usually centered around their level of physical (both natural and made-up) attraction as perceived by other women. The female version has more to do with insecurity as it centers around relative attractiveness. :)
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#311 AIRFORCE1

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 07:33 PM

Atheris, very well put. I could not have said it better.
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#312 Buttersideup

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Posted 14 July 2003 - 10:14 PM

yep
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#313 The Beat

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 12:33 AM

Atheris,

Good luck!! The last time I tried to explain to a woman what women were about (my second exwife) I spent a week outside with the dog. The only problem was, we had no dog!!

I don't think women, God love 'em, will ever understand men. I'm willing to live with that. I am CONVINCED that we will never understand women. And I'm willing to live with that, too.

Maybe that's why I'm a bachelor.
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#314 Buttersideup

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 12:47 AM

(my second exwife)

How many have you had?
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#315 The Beat

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 12:52 AM

We have a law in California called the 3-strikes law. If you commit the same crime 3 times, you go to jail for life.

Therefore, I stand at 2. And I ain't budgin'.
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#316 Buttersideup

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 12:54 AM

They say the third time is the charm.....
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#317 The Beat

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 01:06 AM

Yeah,

So does Bubba!!
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#318 Buttersideup

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Posted 15 July 2003 - 01:18 AM

Who is Bubba?
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Posted 15 July 2003 - 01:25 AM

Bubba is the proverbial "Big Guy" inside any state prison that is just waiting for that 3rd time offender so he can make him his very own "girlfriend!"
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Posted 15 July 2003 - 02:03 AM

hmmmmmmm

the beat,

what the hell happened to your head!
U R one ugly SOB!
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