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#1 Rainman

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:30 AM

Islamic Extremism May Save Western Civilization

by Mark Glenn


It would shock and probably offend most Americans to learn the truth that the reason they are here, their power, their affluence and position in the world is directly because of the Islamic religion and the Arab culture. That's right, the very "ragheads" and "Hajis" (as Limbaugh, Liddy, and some of the others often call them) that the US is now fighting are directly responsible for the preeminence and power of not just the United States, but of the entire Western world in general.

Besides the fact that Western Civilization began in the area of the Fertile Crescent, also known as Mesopotamia (present day Iraq), it is as well an historical fact beyond dispute that it was the learning and sophistication of the Arab culture that led to many of the scientific developments that would later make Europe the cradle of science, learning, and advancement. After the institutionalization of the Islamic religion throughout the Mediterranean region, the extent of Arab learning and culture was such that European Kings, Christian Kings, would send their sons and daughters to be educated in Moslem places such as Cordova and Toledo. Christian Crusaders coming back from the Middle East told of the richness of Arab culture, leading to Europeans' desire for Arab goods, which in turn led to trade routes between Europe and the Middle East. The resulting wealth created from that trade with the Arabs led to the ascendancy of power for European city-states such as Venice and Florence, which became the birthplaces of the Renaissance in Europe. Arab advancements in navigation, from the Astrolabe to the compass to the fast sailing ship known as the Caravel made possible the arrival in the New World of the Europeans. Let's not forget, Spain and Portugal, those two powers who held a virtual monopoly on exploration in the New World for quite a while, were, for 700 years, held by the Arabs.

What will gall Americans even more, especially those who call themselves Christian, is the idea that it may be the Arab and Muslim culture that will be not only the birthplace of Western Civilization, but the savior of it as well.

As evidenced by the nightly news right now, there is a war going on. Superficially, it is about things like "terrorism" and "freedom." There are some who go a step further and blame oil and banking, not to mention "lebensraum" for Israel. And while all these things do play a part, some greater than others, the real war here is between two world views.

During the debates that took place in the UN between the internationalist cabal led by France, Germany, Russia, Belgium, and China on one side and the nationalists led by the United States, Great Britain, (and behind the scenes, Israel,) there was this "tossing around" of phrases in coded language. The nationalist crowd, represented in the debates by Colin Powell, spoke of "Old Europe" in a castigating attempt to portray those opposing the war against Iraq as somehow backwards in their thinking, as opposed to those in the New World, who were enlightened and were here to save all humanity against dangerous men and dangerous ideas. And although we know that the reasons for the internationalist crowd opposing the war against Iraq had little to do with anything other than protecting their own business interests as well as staving off US hegemony in the world in favor of internationalist hegemony, it did illustrate that there is, at least on the part of the "coalition of the willing" a desire to do away with that ethos held by the Old World (meaning the Middle-East) that serves as an obstacle in building that New World Order that Bush the Elder discussed more than a decade ago, even if it means seeing the US leading it rather than the UN.

To the "New World," and by default the New World Order, the Arab/Muslim world is backwards in its values. It prohibits abortion and birth control. They have large families, as opposed to the West, where the average family has only 2 children. It prohibits usury banking, to which the West credits its own economic superiority. Theirs is a "closed" society (read into this no sodomy, pornography, gay lifestyle, et al) Theirs is a "cruel" society (read into this-they do not have people on death row for 20 years) And finally, they will not play the game the way the market wants it played, meaning, they want a just price for their only real source of wealth, their oil, instead of giving it away to the West for a fraction of its worth. In other words, the picture that has just been painted here is, the Muslim world is now what the Christian world once was and should be.

One can already hear the roar coming out of the mouths of many who have not been thinking of this in a critical way, particularly those well-paid mouthpieces on TV and radio masquerading themselves as Christians. "The religion of Mohammed is better than the religion of Jesus Christ?!" No, rather, what is meant here is that the religion of Islam resembles Christianity more than does the Christianity of the West today, because the Christianity of the West today isn't Christianity at all, but a watered-down amalgamation of New Ageism mixed with certain common spiritual attributes that, although called Christian, can be found in almost every known religion. Through decades of destructive influence and propaganda through media and academia, mainstream Christianity in the West has been reduced to one remaining commandment, vague and hard to pin-point which is "be nice."

The fact of the matter is, putting aside all the other reasons surrounding this war that were enumerated at the beginning of this essay, what exists in the Middle East, or in The Old World, as some would call it, is a culture that is still devoted to principles concerning basic moral values, values that have not yet surrendered to the corrupting influence of Western media or Western money. Within the last 50 years, every culture has fallen before this corrupting power that seeks to enslave all men in such a way that the individual is reduced to the value of what he produces and what he consumes, and in pursuit of that method, the individuals behind this program have quietly but decisively removed every obstacle in their way, be it religion, culture, morals, tradition, or world view, through the methods of media, academia, and finance; that is, except the culture encapsulated in the Islamic/Arabic World.

By the description "Arabic/Islamic," it should not be understood as solely a "Muslim" thing. The culture existing in the Arab world is held by both Christian and Muslim alike. There are millions of Christians, who have in essence the same culture with their Muslim counterparts in much the same way as most Americans, regardless of religion, have the same culture. It is those Christians and Muslims alike who reject these "modern" notions such as abortion, birth control, sodomy, pornography, usury banking, and "market value" of services and resources. They still view the family, the traditional family, with all its traditional roles, as the most important building block of their society, and they take very seriously anything that threatens it. They recognize the value of their children, and how dangerous the moral relativism of the West has become, threatening the stability of society directly. They recognize that if their children and society as a whole are subjected to ideas that promote moral decay for an extended period of time, what will eventually and unavoidably be produced is national decay.

One should consider the fact that the New World Order has used and is using all its resources and influence to emasculate and neutralize all opposition to its agenda in the world. The Catholic Church, once a political power to be feared by presidents and prime ministers the world over, has been rendered obsolete. Through mouthpieces such as John Paul II, the New World Order has been openly embraced, and if at times the church gets a little rambunctious and steps out of line, well, the NWO crowd merely runs new stories revealing allegations of pedophilia and abuse. The mainstream Protestant groups, led by influential people on the television and radio, may talk of the dangers of the NWO and the secularization of the West, yet still openly embrace Bush when he pushes through various pieces of legislation that rob us of our freedoms under the guise of protection from terrorism, as well as the practice of conveniently "forgetting" about Bush's caving in to the pro-abortion lobby in various instances. So, with the exception of a few pockets of token resistance, there is no one left standing in the way of the NWO except the Arab/Muslim World.

If by some miracle the Arab/Muslim world is victorious against this onslaught, and the secular/atheistic influence of the NWO agenda is reduced to such a level as to allow the Christian West to regain its foothold where it once stood, it will be necessary to credit the religion of Islam and the Arab world for not buckling under in the face of extermination. And it will be we, the Christian West and Western Civilization, who will be the beneficiaries of "Islamic Extremism."
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 12:47 AM

The evil JEW/NWO's plan to "make the world safe for democracy"
destroyed European Christian Monarchies... now it is targeting
Islamic States.... so what is the evil JEW/NWO telling us now ??
That we need to spread democracy AND PLURALISM to the Middle
East :mad:
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:02 AM

So what is that, the author is basically trying to say here - if Christianity failed, let's embrace at least Islam? What a lunacy...:rolleyes:
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:12 AM

Here is a map of the Orthodox Christian Byzantine Empire
under Christian Emperor Justinian... before the rise of Islam.


Byzantine Empire Map



Christian Byzantium preserved civilization, culture, and ancient literature while western Europe was in the dark ages.

Holy Mother Russia is the heir of Orthodox Christian Byzantium :)



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#5 Rainman

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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:19 AM

Atossa, take a look at "The evil JEW/NWO's plan" for a greater Israel.

I wonder if their god damn aspiration is really what it appears to be and reported.

http://homepage.ntlw...estion/oil.html
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:20 AM

Religion is a plague. Beyond the validity of a few wise words, it does nothing but cause the disorder that its followers believe it prevents.

Embelished histories, distorted words, secret agendas by a few deluded minds in an attempt to control and manipulate the mass of foolish followers.

Cults. That's all organized religions are. I'd rather be a Godless soul than a mindless creature.. ..
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:23 AM

Is that all the evil jews want :mad:

I would have thought they would at least want
to match the ancient ARYAN Persian Empire which
stretched across the Middle East from India to Egypt !!

Instead the evil edomite-jew imposters will get NOTHING !!!!
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 01:52 AM

Most of the evil ANTI-CHRIST edomite jews are
concentrated in major corporations, government,
medicine, media [TV, radio, movies, publishing]
weapons, gambling, drug, prostitute and porn
production and distribution... you know, where
they can make the most money from the most evil
and are better able to control the planet :mad:
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 02:35 AM

You pretty much said it all in one paragraph.:)
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 02:51 AM

Islam ===Worshippers of Death and Hate
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 03:27 AM

What a load of sh1t.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 03:40 AM

Islamic countries are all backward. Look at Iran, a talented people, hobbled by Mullahocracy.

No thanks.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 06:28 AM

"Religion is a plague. Beyond the validity of a few wise words, it does nothing but cause the disorder that its followers believe it prevents.

Embelished histories, distorted words, secret agendas by a few deluded minds in an attempt to control and manipulate the mass of foolish followers.

Cults. That's all organized religions are. I'd rather be a Godless soul than a mindless creature.. .."


*Applause* Couldn't have said it any better myself man. Just imagine a world without religion:
No crusades. No inquisition. No Israeli/Palistinian issues. No hatred. No extremeists strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up in a crowded public place all in the name of God.

**** that noise, believe in whatever you want to, but NEVER EVER try to force it on anybody else. It just creates ignorance, hatred, and a general intolerance of anybody or anything that isn't like what you believe in.
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Posted 19 April 2003 - 08:48 AM

"Besides the fact that Western Civilization began in the area of the Fertile Crescent, also known as Mesopotamia"

Wrong point; it is true that civilization of the western part of the world begun there, but the most significant part came later.
The real root of the Western Civilization proper is Greece, where the concepts of democracy and republic were born.
It was not by chance that the Greek philosophy freed man from slavery by gods.
Not much to do with the Jews of that time, still a theocratic society. Not to speak of the later muslims, a parody of the same "god sickness".
Something to do with Christians, whose Christ explicitly said "give Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give God what belongs to God", so recognizing the necessary separation of a laic state from the church.
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Posted 20 April 2003 - 03:56 AM

"To the "New World," and by default the New World Order, the Arab/Muslim world is backwards in its values. It prohibits abortion and birth control. They have large families, as opposed to the West, where the average family has only 2 children. It prohibits usury banking, to which the West credits its own economic superiority. Theirs is a "closed" society (read into this no sodomy, pornography, gay lifestyle, et al) Theirs is a "cruel" society (read into this-they do not have people on death row for 20 years) And finally, they will not play the game the way the market wants it played, meaning, they want a just price for their only real source of wealth, their oil, instead of giving it away to the West for a fraction of its worth. In other words, the picture that has just been painted here is, the Muslim world is now what the Christian world once was and should be."
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Not only are the moneychangers in the temple, they seem to have convinced a significant portion of the flock that they (the moneychangers) are "the way, the truth, and the light".
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:30 PM

"what is meant here is that the religion of Islam resembles Christianity more than does the Christianity of the West today"
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:32 AM

I think that was an earlier version of Atossa, not SCA
;)
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Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:41 PM

Interesting article, although more for the context than the material.

The author is certainly more intelligent than most members of his species, and has taken care to couch his arguements in terms that will sell itself to the so called left. But strip away the pacifistic veneer we are left with the sort of mentality that inspires Pat Robertson to say that 911 was God's punishment on America's permisive society, much the same atitude that OBL has shown.

The problem isn't Isalm, the problem is conservatism and it's escalating reaction to the wild insecurities of the post modern worldview. Islamic conservatism is by far the worst simply because they are the most conservative.

A bit over decade ago me and some friends chose to spend new years eve working, another friend had gotten a gig supplying wait staff to a Muslim celebration of the new year at the local university. The Muslims wanted their own seperate party, no pork, no alchohol. And you know what? Not a single habib, or W ever TF they call their viels, in sight, but plenty of hot looking chicks with those wide almond eyes wearing short dresses. The Ayatollahs would have had seizures just looking at them. Nowadays I can't go to the grocery store without tripping over some habib, there has definitely been a recent change for the much uglier.

The fundies on both sides of this "clash of civilizations" have been sucking off each other, playing the same game, using the other as the external threat to butress their own athourity within their own spheres of influence.
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