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#41 Auld Nick

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 11:30 AM

With new oilfield discoveries declining since the early eighties, the estimates about how much oil production is left <worldwide>-not just in Iraq - assuming current rates of increase in demand, seem to be from 20 to 30 years before there is a deficit. Prices will then rise, favouring the US, which can afford them, and ending any prospect of development in the third world. Glad to know that you can justify the essential nature of your SUV...
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#42 Auld Nick

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 11:35 AM

I'll save you the trouble of reading up on your hero. Acknowledgements to regular poster Platykitten.

A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY

by Kelley Kramer

I recently had an email exchange with a right-winger from my local
newspaper, and of course the war with Iraq came up pretty quick. But he
said something in defense of George Bush that really surprised me.
In defense of the attack on Iraq he said 'between Hussein and Bush, Hussein
is the bad guy'.

My first response was ... So your guy is better than a third world
dictator, Wow! what an accomplishment! Does he put that on his resume?
And with that in mind, I started wondering ... what would a George W. Bush
resume look like exactly?

Listed below is what I came up with,

Best!
Kelley Kramer
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George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:

- Ran for congress and lost.

- Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

- Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas,
company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

- Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that
took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the
Chicago White Sox.

- With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and
made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.

Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in
borrowed money.

Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

- Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000
votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

- Attacked and took over two countries.

- Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

- Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

- Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12
month period.

- Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

- First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

- First president in US history to enter office with a criminal
record.

- First year in office set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history.

- After taking the entire month of August off for vacation,
presided over the worst security failure in US history.

- Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any
other president in US history.

- In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost
their job.

- Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any
president in US history.

- Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month
period.

- Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions
than any president in US history.

- Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.

- Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution
than any president in US history.

- Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused
to intervene when corruption was revealed.

- Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and
refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

- Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

- Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people),
shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of
mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.../~dana/marches/)

- Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US
history.

- My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in
US history.

- Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US
history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron
oil tanker named after her).

- First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.

- Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any
market in any country in the history of the world.

- First president in US history to order a US attack and military
occupation of a sovereign nation.

- Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the
history of the United States.

- Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending
increases, more than any president in US history.

- First president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the human rights commission.

- First president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the elections monitoring board.

- Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

- Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

- Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

- Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by
default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

- First president in US history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

- All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.

- My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of
the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay,
former CEO of Enron Corporation).

- Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in
US history.

- First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign
nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

- First president to run and hide when the US came under attack
(and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

- First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

- Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less
than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly
the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

- With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

- Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.

- First US president in history to have the people of South Korea
more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

- Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.

- Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who
violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for
government contracts.

- Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or
alive'.

- Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the
leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18
months I have no leads and zero suspects.

- In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully
prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the
history of the United States.

- Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

- In a little over two years created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil
war.

- Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in
less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight
down.

Records and References:

- At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving
record has been erased and is not available).

- AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time
of war.

- Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug
use.

- All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited
away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public
view.

- All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

- All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on
the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

- Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended
regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for
public review.

- For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James
Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for
war-profiteering.)

A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
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#43 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 01:22 PM

unbias wrote, "With new oilfield discoveries declining since the early eighties, the estimates about how much oil production is left <worldwide>-not just in Iraq - assuming current rates of increase in demand, seem to be from 20 to 30 years before there is a deficit. Prices will then rise, favouring the US, which can afford them, and ending any prospect of development in the third world. Glad to know that you can justify the essential nature of your SUV..."

It is for that exact reason that the sinister George W. Bush pushed for his war for oil. He has to keep the registers ringing.
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 03:10 PM

To the good Dr.:

You keep believing that the oil fields will dry up in 20 years. That info was probably estimated by the same folk that claim the world will starve due to over population in 20 years, or that land will be "gone" in 20 years. It's horse sh#t.

These estimates always have one common thread... they cannot deal with the factors of change.

One thing is certain, if you look at the amount of oil extracted from the earth verses the amount still in the ground (known)... I think it will spin your head.

Not to mention the recent influx of alternative fuels... Times ARE changing. Don't bog down your statistics with doomsday numbers. Those doomsdayers have a bad case of tunnel vision. They are the talk radio nut jobs that have no real grip on reality...

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 03:16 PM

One more thing Dr:

It's not about oil, per se, it's about power. Oil is power at this moment in history. Any superpower would grip a pipeline one way or another... it's a matter of simple preservance.

Do you want to hand away our superpower status to some country in the middle east? Would you allow them to put the US into a strangle hold, with a noose made out of oil pipes?

And yes, we did "liberate" Iraq in the process. The extent is still questionable, but at least Saddam is out. Things WILL improve, just not right away, perhaps. And what is nicer, we have oil now.

Now you have a better chance to keep you hundred employees employed? Time will tell...
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#46 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 04:03 PM

As the Greek philosopher Anaxamander said, "everything changes but change itself." Oil is not going to replenish itself within this generation. Therefore, if it is not used wisely, we will run out. The one thing that jack attack is especially correct about is that we need to husband our resources and find, as I argue, alternative sources for energy and life.
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:23 PM

That would a first step. if the OPEC, Russia would start selling its oil for Euros and UK and Norway would join the Euro. Then the power source of the US its dollar printing press would become useless. Instead Russia is selling its oil industry to American companies. Bush Putin really Buddies ??


http://www.ratical.o.../RRiraqWar.html
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:24 PM

Originally posted by the jack attack
The countries of the world are happy to feed our hungers... it makes them rich. They might even encourage it... for their own gain.

But, be clear about this point. The military machine of the USA and every other country in the world NEEDS oil to operate. As it happens, our needs extent to the civilian populace as well... we have made the middle east very rich as a result. If the time comes that another country can threaten us by holding back a vital resource... then we will have to take drastic measures to secure it. That should not be a surprise. Oil for the military is like food for the public. We won't let our people starve, nor will we allow our military to starve.

Now, you must know that there is more oil in the ground in the middle east to supply increased consumption for over hundred years? What is wrong with consuming oil? Why not? Will it run out eventually...? Maybe. That is a strong maybe.

My guess is we are working feverishly to create alternatives. I doubt the US enjoys having to secure oil a half a world away.

Why don't we walk or bike in America? Why don't you crawl? Why don't you roll on your belly? Slither? We do what seems best. Right now, our habits seems to work well. There will come a time when the US will have to change (maybe). When that time comes, they will.

In the meantime, we'll continue consuming. An act that is making many other peoples of the world VERY rich. If I owned a restaurant, I would be sure to cater to the fat guy. Wouldn't you?

Hehe... but if the fat guy started starving... and you threatened to stop feeding him? Or bilking him with crazy prices... He might crack you in the jaw.



Big idiotic fat man, get in shape, and burn the calories! The world ain't there to feed you. You are polluting more than your fair share. And your power appetite, is only feeding a few around the globe. Keep punching people in the jaw, and sometime, somewhere, someone is gonna hit you back.

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:31 PM

Originally posted by GORDILL
Poor Ide sounds like a classic loser. A person that never made it by himself, so he turns to communism to find the life he would like to be accustomed to: Living off someone else's labors.

He should get a job!


Communism sounds so much like Capitalism that I have a hard time telling them apart... Isn't the purpose of both to 'work hard' to enjoy some future utopia?

However, the question is, WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR, some 'capitalist pig,' some bureaucrat? Nah... It's harder to fool people nowadays, both system failing before our eyes, ain't they?

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Gaddock
If he is a Dr. it is obvious that he is an academic. One who teaches but never does. Tenure is perfect for him as he can never be fired. Instead of giving 100% at his job he can spend endless hours spewing his flawed logic here. Ahh yes tenure, his little piece of communism here stateside. Dr. I would and have fought for YOUR FREEDOM! (you burn your card?) I would also slap you around like a red headed stepchild were you to confront me in person with your anti American sentiment.



I thought you said you fought for his right to PRACTISE democracy... Or you thought 'democracy' was the big show staged by the 'rich and famous' every four years?

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Arthur Ide
Varangian, thank you for your insight. Your comment that "getting out of the UN (and moving it to France), would be contradiction of the Bush doctrine. The objective is to maintain military superiority indefinitely. A UN, minus the US, would provide a forum for US bashing. Part of the US strategy is to weaken the EU by using NATO as a wedge between 'old' europe and 'new'europe. An alternative military pact between europe, and ,say, Russia could challenge US world hegemony."

The UN should and MUST get out of the USA as the USA is neither impartial nor neutral but a warmongering evil empire intent on taking over all civilization. Until the rest of the world boycotts the rogue regime of W Bush there will be no peace nor the opportunity for advancement in any field. The jingoism of the super patriots in this nation is such that it gives rise to such atrocities as the Khristian Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, the American Party for the Destruction of Black People, and other nefarious groups.

America is smug in thinking it is isolated, but this smugness may change if North Korea sends a missile into an American city--they they halleluiah boys jubiliating in the massiveness of America will realize that the USA is like the largest dinosaur--big, yes, but with little brain power, and it will come crashing down--rightfully. I love my nation, but it is on a collision course toward the mythical gates of hell being prone to war and not peace, intent on ruling all when it can not rule itself, and where logic is bypassed for emotionalism.


THE MIGHTY HUNGRY DINOSAURS

Once upon a time, when the dinosaurs ruled the earth, lived a race of
dinosaurs whose violence and appetite alarmed everybody... One day a
Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped upon, and worried about her
cooperative enterprise, came up to the Big Dinosaur and said: "Why you
always have to protect the right of the dinosaurs, who do nothing but
eat everything in their path? Why don't the little animals get a fair
share of the world?" she asked. Then the Big Dinosaur, who had a bad
temper, replied: "Bigger is better, so get lost..."

The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said:
"Comrades, our world is threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And at
that precise moment the earth was hit by a big ball of fire,
destroying everybody but the small animals...
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 07:50 PM

Originally posted by unbias
With new oilfield discoveries declining since the early eighties, the estimates about how much oil production is left <worldwide>-not just in Iraq - assuming current rates of increase in demand, seem to be from 20 to 30 years before there is a deficit. Prices will then rise, favouring the US, which can afford them, and ending any prospect of development in the third world. Glad to know that you can justify the essential nature of your SUV...


STUPID UNNECESSARY VEHICLES

This is an interview with Brutus Maximus, who drives an SUV...

Reporter: What do you need that for?

Brutus: I wanna be noticed...

Reporter: Do you realize that you threaten the environment, others on
the road as well as make wars for oil necessary?

Brutus: Listen, I pay taxes so I don't care. Besides the war makes a
nice TV show. It goes well with beer...

Reporter: What do you think of a place like Holland where people get
around by bicycle?

Brutus: I take my bikes in the back of my SUV, so what's the point?

Reporter: What do you do with your spare time?

Brutus: I drive the SUV...

Reporter: Do you ever read?

Brutus: Nah, I don't like to waste my time...

Reporter: What do you think of the future of the world?

Brutus: I never think about it...

Reporter: Why do you fly an oversized American flag on your vehicle?

Brutus: It makes me feel like a patriot...

Reporter: Do you know that the whole world opposes the war?

Brutus: Remember, they are a bunch of anti-American losers...

Reporter: Are you worried about terrorism?

Brutus: Nah, I ain't got an arsenal for nothing...

Reporter: Any message for the troops?

Brutus: Yeah, I want more shots of the Hummers hunting the enemy. Hit
'em hard! God Bless America!!!
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 08:02 PM

Originally posted by crashguru
That would a first step. if the OPEC, Russia would start selling its oil for Euros and UK and Norway would join the Euro. Then the power source of the US its dollar printing press would become useless. Instead Russia is selling its oil industry to American companies. Bush Putin really Buddies ??


http://www.ratical.o.../RRiraqWar.html


Perhaps they are both members of that supreme doctrine:

"IN GOLD WE TRUST!"

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 08:08 PM

Originally posted by the jack attack
One more thing Dr:

It's not about oil, per se, it's about power. Oil is power at this moment in history. Any superpower would grip a pipeline one way or another... it's a matter of simple preservance.



So, let me get it straight: It's not about oil, but power... but oil IS power, in your words.

Then back to square one: IT'S ABOUT OIL.

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Posted 29 April 2003 - 08:19 PM

More CCrap from the USA

Published on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 by the Daily Telegraph (UK)
Rumsfeld Calls for Regime Change in North Korea
by David Rennie in Washington

A secret Donald Rumsfeld memorandum calling for regime change in North Korea was leaked yesterday, opening a fresh foreign policy split in the Bush administration.

The classified discussion paper, circulated by the defense secretary, appears to cut directly across State Department plans to disarm Kim Jong-il, the North's dictator, through threats leavened by promises that his regime is not a target for overthrow.

The paper does not call for military action against North Korea, but wants the United States to team up with China in pushing for the collapse of Kim Jong-il's bankrupt but belligerent regime, the New York Times reported.

In a sign that Washington is girding itself for a repetition of the bitter rows that preceded the Iraq conflict, the memorandum was leaked on the same day that a senior State Department negotiator flew to Beijing for three-way talks with China and North Korea.

Officials working for Mr Rumsfeld are implacably opposed to the talks, pointing to North Korea's long history of extorting aid and concessions in return for promises - never kept - to behave in a more reasonable way.

Instead, they seek to use the salutary effect of the rapid victory in Iraq to push North Korea to scrap its nuclear weapons program immediately.

They also want to demand weapons inspections across the country. That would be an unthinkable concession for a Stalinist police state that bars even aid agencies from a third of its territory.

This raises the prospect that Washington would be urging inspections for form's sake and with little hope of success, much as happened in Iraq.

Even before the American envoy, James Kelly, arrived in Beijing for the talks, there were signs of new North Korean brinksmanship.

Pyongyang released conflicting statements last Friday, saying in an English language text that it had started reprocessing spent fuel rods into plutonium, a dramatic step that would place it only months from producing several nuclear warheads. However, a Korean version of the statement said that Pyongyang was merely poised to begin reprocessing.

Supporters of the diplomatic approach attacked the Pentagon proposal as ludicrous. They said that Beijing, while appalled by North Korea's recent behavior, would never join an American-led campaign to topple its communist neighbor.

An unnamed senior administration official told the New York Times: "The last thing the Chinese want is a collapse of North Korea that will create a flood of refugees into China and put Western allies on the Chinese border."

The White House says that regime change in North Korea is not official policy, despite the country's inclusion with Iraq and Iran in President George W Bush's "axis of evil".

Mr Bush has said that he "loathes" Kim Jong-il, who is believed to have killed a tenth of his population through starvation and imprisonment in vast labour camps.

Colin Powell, the secretary of state, is said to have secured the president's approval for a carrot and stick approach in a meeting last week. Mr Powell called for threats to withhold aid and investment from North Korea, while assuring the regime that it faces no threat from the United States.

Mr Rumsfeld, who was "distracted" by the war against Saddam Hussein, did not attend the meeting and may now be trying to regain some traction in the Korea debate, officials speculated.

Mr Bush, who appears willing to let his senior aides scrap over policy before taking a final decision, endorsed Mr Kelly's diplomatic mission at the weekend and thanked Beijing for hosting the talks.

He said that China's involvement meant there was "a good chance of convincing North Korea to abandon her ambitions to develop nuclear arsenals".

The Clinton administration drew up plans to bomb the main North Korean nuclear site at Yongbyon. But the generally far more hawkish Bush government has long contended that talk of military action against North Korea is unrealistic, given the country's huge conventional arsenals aimed at South Korea.

Instead, conservatives have advocated letting North Korea "stew in its own juice", cutting off the overseas aid which sustains the crumbling regime until it collapses under its own weight
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 08:33 PM

Donq,
Holy crap! what a bunch of rambling tangents. Forget to take your meds today???
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 09:50 PM

No, guys, the 'law of the jungle' ain't gonna take us nowhere, but to disaster. The Lion will kill a monkey, or two, or one hundred, but that will only cause more cries of revenge... Wise up, it's a jungle out there...

(article follows story)

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE

Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always getting the lion share, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all the species of
the jungle, demanded justice... The Lion, yawning and stretching,
said: "You would have to have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the
Monkey, who was very clever, devised a plan: He would go to the
costume store, and look like a lion...

When the Lion saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a match for
him, and fearing competion, killed him on the spot... before the
indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And that's how
the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time...

NOTE: Other monkeys survived him...

THE END

Bush Doctrine: Hegemony Claim or Jungle Law

Professor of politics at La Trobe University Robert Manne criticized
Monday the Bush Doctrine as hegemony claims or jungle law.

The professor published on The Sydney Morning Herald an article titled
"Kill first, ask questions later," in which he said the new idea of
the pre-emptive strike in reality is a strategy not of pre-emptive
strike but of preventive war because the Bush doctrine proposes
military action against "rogue states" when no threat to the United
States is imminent.

"For a preventive war to be launched, a state needs only imagine
itself to be under threat. With such an idea, the line between
self-defense and aggression becomes hopelessly blurred," he said.

The professor analyzed, "The danger of this conflation of pre-emptive
strike and preventive war is aggravated precisely by the fact that the
Bush doctrine makes it clear that the United States reserves to itself
the right to strike unilaterally, without mandate from the established
processes of the United Nations. Under the new doctrine, then, the
United States may not only go towar on the basis of an imagined
threat. It also arrogates to itself the right to decide alone when
such a threat exists."

"At the center of the doctrine, a huge conceptual hole appears.Does
the United States, as the world hegemony, alone possess the sovereign
right to act unilaterally against a supposed threat to its security by
prosecuting a preventive war, or does an identicalright exist for
other states?" he asked and concluded "If the right does not exist for
others, the Bush doctrine amounts to an almost formal claim to US
world hegemony. If, on the other hand, all states possess the same
right, the Bush doctrine opens the warto the return of the jungle,
where the powerful have the capacity to impose their will."

As the United States steps up its war preparation against Iraq and the
Australian government inclines to support it, anti-war voice gets
higher in the country. On Saturday, about 1,000 Sydney residents
launched a large-scale protest warning the government not to involve
in any war on Iraq. On Friday, a group of 450 activists announced they
had formed a "No War On Iraq Coalition." On Thursday, three former
prime ministers and one former governor-general along with other
former political and military officials issued a public letter
opposing a US unilateral military action against Iraq.

(Xinhua News Agency September 30, 2002)

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 12:11 AM

Hello everyone,

Great thread. Thanks. Here's my two cents:

Okay, so it's about power or oil, or ego. So what? America is not doing anything inconsistent with history. So America is the next Rome...? Why shouldn't America make their perimeter, or secure their resources? Maybe an American 'occupation', if fully enforced, will 'fix' the chaos of the middle east.

The middle east is in a state of tyrannical chaos, that cannot be denied. The USA may be holding a torch that will offer a first taste of liberty. Liberty is something that that region has never had. Why not embrace this?

I'll tell you why I think it is so opposed, fear. Not fear of America per se, but fear of being the 'little guy'. It's the little man syndrome injected into politics, into the states. France hates the thought of insignificance, and so do many others, it seems.

I like what the jack attack has inserted into this forum. The USA happens to be the big dog. Lucky for the world, we also happen to have a great society that respects the rights of people. We have a strong moral fiber that will ensure that justice will exist in the equation. Perhaps there WILL be some corruption. Let's all be thankful that the corruption is on the scale that it is. It could be MUCH worse. Bush could be gassing racial groups in mass, or simply exterminating all that oppose. Regardless of what the posters claim, this is NOT happening, at least on any scale even remotely resembling some of the powers of history!

The USA is the big gorilla, but a reasonable gorilla. Or, to quote another thread, the lion. Use the lion, work WITH the lion. Don't piss off the lion. That is just not intelligent.

Thanks! And good day!
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#59 GORDILL

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 01:10 AM

I like to stop by these boards and listen to the socialists pissing and moaning.

If they all got jobs and went to work, saved their money, they might amount to something some day.

Instead they are waiting to divide up what the working people have produced.

Small wonder they don't have anything worth having.
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Posted 30 April 2003 - 01:19 AM

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I'll save you the trouble of reading up on your hero. Acknowledgements to regular poster Platykitten.

Impressive post, and not very impressive record to say the least.

Next time just be a little more careful. I never said he was my hero. Far from it. All I said was: "Yes, everything is the fault of W Bush and his evil regime. (keep telling yourself that...) His next plot is to throw out the constitution and remain in office indefinitely."

To blame all the world's problems on this leader is ludicrous. Why not blame his father, and the yo-yo that preceeded him...? Or just wait a little longer because we'll be blaming him all the way until 2008.
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