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#101 yang

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 03:33 AM

By boycotting America and stopping Arms trade we can tame America.


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http://www.boycottamerica.org


http://www.humiliateamerica.com
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#102 the jack attack

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 06:32 AM

Boycotting America!!! Stopping arms trade!!! Hahahaha!!! Yang, does your yanking ever cease? I like the sites you list. Sounds like a bunch of good folk run those sites... loving bunch, I'm sure. They have secret sources of untainted truth to quote, no doubt.

What planet are you from Yang? I don't get how you feeble minded zonk bandits can really put all the world's heat on the US. And what dumb solutions... I mean, boycott the US? I'd like to see that happen starting tomorrow. Then follow-up by stopping the arms trade, it will stop if you ask the right person you know... Your local arms dealer will have your head on his stick, and America will never have even heard your cry, or your stupid complaints.

While you're at it, why don't you just turn off the "American air" switch. You know the one, right? It's in the switchbox at the base of the statue of liberty, guarded by Gore. That switch will deprive the N. American continent of oxygen... If you give Gore the secret "sign", he'll hit the switch for you.

You CAN'T boycott the US yangster!!! We own you! Hahaha!!! We might LET you boycott us for a little while to make you feel good though... because we are nice and we would like our neighbors, near and far, to at least FEEL significant.

Why draw it all out so slowly and painfully. Just have Zeus or the giant cheese eating snowman on the moon smash the US with their mighty hammers. They might do it if you get enough people to request it. The snowman has done things like that before, so I'd ask him first (he smashed all the dinosaurs - and you probably thought it was an asteriod! Nope, it was the snowman's hammer).

Okay, I'm a little extreme here... but, come on!!!
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#103 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 10:46 AM

Larani, you write: "Dear Dr. Arthur Ide,

You know when I look at all these posts I feel saddest when I read yours. For many of my fellow Brothers and Sisters I can understand thier positions just by taking in their level of education and the ability they have had to free information and education.

The fact is you blast the right and then the right blasts you and in the end balance and harmony within the American Democtratic System has been achieved.

What gets me is if you are the intellectual you claim yourself to be, I would think you would know and present that. It would not do the world any good if the Left were to take over any more then it would if the right took over.

Look at society the Left powers, ACLU, DSHS, ect and these are the services of socialist, The right powers Police, and the Military and these are the protecters of the left.

Let's face it if you come under attack who do you call to protect you not a Dove but a Hawk.

I also just have to laugh at one other thing. You come off as a socialist/left/enviromentalist but when challanged about your intellect/wealth you came out bragging about your art, and all your wonderful other possessions. I think you actually are more of a capitalist then you truly care to admit to yourself."

I can not recall ever saying I was a socialist. I am very much a capitalist--with a sense of responsibility. I give amply to charities--and stand for the right of organized labor (my union workers make 3 times more than non-union, for the union workers negotiated for it--and the nonunion did not so they are not entitled to the sweat of those who worked for better conditions and pay). I prize my tangible objects, and I like how I live. But at the same time I will make sure that everyone that needs help will receive it.

I have relatives who are police, and in the military--but they take their occupations as a trust to protect--not harm--as is the case with some in the various police departments from NYC to LA.

I don't know if I am an intellectual. I have degrees--but a lot of pompous windbag ignoramouses also have them--so I may be a part of their number. But I do research and cite it.

Because I hate the actions of W Bush doesn't mean I am anti-American. It means that as a patriotic American I understand the responsibility to speak out against what is wrong.

I am a card carrying member of the ACLU as I do believe all people have rights. I am opposed to prayers in school as these prayers are usually Christian and not everyone is a Christian (My brother's wife is a buddhist priestess, my wife is Jewish, etc.). I also oppose the public display of the Ten Commandments as it is Judaeo-Christian by definition. Etc.
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#104 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 10:56 AM

jack attack, your argument against Yang's right to dissent about "oycotting America!!! Stopping arms trade!!! Hahahaha!!! Yang, does your yanking ever cease? I like the sites you list. Sounds like a bunch of good folk run those sites... loving bunch, I'm sure. They have secret sources of untainted truth to quote, no doubt." is immature American jingoism. Don't you realize that more than 50% of what America uses comes from non-American sources (Hundai, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, etc. for cars; Toyota, Sony, Hitatchi, for electronics; Burger King and correlated industries for fast food [Burger King is England's]), etc. A world boycott would bring the USA to its knees--and that action would be fully justifiable if your letter would be widely distributed. I wish it were.
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Posted 02 May 2003 - 06:10 PM

Originally posted by downsouth
Hi donquijote,

I don't think North America can be tamed, it is too late.
Where do you get your stories out of? Do you make them up?



I now, BUT if you tame the rest of the world, it may have no choice. Even Canada is pretty tamed... That's why the never talk about it, and choose instead to talk about, say, Cuba. So Americans can feel 'good,' if you know what I mean...

Yeah, the stories I write myself, being my favorite author Orwell.

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#106 Gil Hughes

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 08:17 PM

Western Canada ( not French ) thinks liberals ---- our Federal Govt. SUCKS bigtime.

We are not t amed we do as we please and are friends with the majority of the world.

We have no Homeland Security Dept and enjoy more freedom than any other country in the world.

We are not racest warmongers and parinoid of our fellow man.

One more thing. Why are so many people on this frorum afraid to put down thier real name and Country of origin????????
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Posted 02 May 2003 - 09:56 PM

<We are not t amed we do as we please and are friends with the majority of the world.

We have no Homeland Security Dept and enjoy more freedom than any other country in the world.

We are not racest warmongers and parinoid of our fellow man.

One more thing. Why are so many people on this frorum afraid to put down thier real name and Country of origin????????>

Don't take offense: 'tame' here is used in the sense of being non aggresive, being good toward its own people and having some humanist education. In other words, if the US became like Canada, the world would possibly be a much better place to live...

PS: I don't use my name because I don't live in Canada. :)

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#108 the jack attack

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Posted 02 May 2003 - 10:33 PM

Dr...

You are surface hopping. Let's dig deeper. Who OWNS those companies? You might. I might...

You list Japanese and Brittish companies... we are all in bed together.

Look at who really owns those companies. They may not all be Americans, but they are likely ALL capitalists... perhaps not in name.

The boycott is an acid trip ranting that was put forward with no brain power to back it up or consider what yang was REALLY saying... he doesn't even know.

It's fun to hear the stupidity. It just makes me more comfortable in my own position. Let the idiocy continue... that is truly the best way to sift through the clouds of ignorance that blind many of these posts...

Most of the anti capitalism posts have no logic under them. They are based on assumptions that are purely emotional and have no substance. They intellectualize about something other than "reality". It's "dream talk"...
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#109 Gil Hughes

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Posted 03 May 2003 - 02:06 AM

donquijote-----------------------

I understand. I suppose we tend to take our freedoms and our position in the world for granted.

Wherever you are I hope you get where you want to be.
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#110 Mark7567

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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:30 AM

Maybe we are looking at this in the wrong way.


Why doesn't the USA split up to a looser union of independant states, like the EU?


This way America could be tamed effectively, and Anti-Americanism would stop.
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#111 donquijote

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Posted 04 May 2003 - 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Mark7567
Maybe we are looking at this in the wrong way.


Why doesn't the USA split up to a looser union of independant states, like the EU?


This way America could be tamed effectively, and Anti-Americanism would stop.



It amounts to the same thing I suggested (America adopting European standards). The question is HOW?

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#112 Mark7567

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Posted 05 May 2003 - 09:06 AM

America could use her propaganda machine to go against the current 'gun culture'.


Police could have guns taken away from them and they could find other weapons that are less leathal like that dart gun thing. That would cause Americans to feel less intimadated by the police and so they would have less reason to have guns. (this is applied to the north of the country)



American poverty could be tackled by having a lot better welfare state. Inwhich the government could better look after her citizens.


I have changed my mind about how to 'tame' America.

I don't think we should be trying to tame America, but ask the American government to better educate her citizens about politics, and maybe have a 3 party system, to cut down on the hawks.

Make America more democratic!:)
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#113 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 05 May 2003 - 09:41 AM

Gil Hughes of Canada is among the few true savantic illumaniti I am privileged to encounter on the web. He writes correctly, since Iowa is south of Central Canada. While I do not agree with Gil on Liberals (I am a liberal and certainly do not want to lord over anything or anyone), I concur completely with his observations in this post, that "We have no Homeland Security Dept and enjoy more freedom than any other country in the world.

We are not racest warmongers and parinoid of our fellow man.

One more thing. Why are so many people on this frorum afraid to put down thier real name and Country of origin????????"

I use my real name (the full name is Arthur Frederick Ide) and I live in Iowa--a very conservative state cannibalized by the religious right--so most of our young people eagerly flee the state as soon as they get an education (which is superior here by any standard) as they want to live and not follow the rubrics of reactionaries that control the legislature, thinking that Senator Charles Grassley--a true fascist--and Jim Nagel (who appropriately wears a paperbag over his head when sitting in the House of Representatives in DC, are exemplary representatives.
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#114 donquijote

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Posted 05 May 2003 - 04:09 PM

[<American poverty could be tackled by having a lot better welfare state. Inwhich the government could better look after her citizens.>

Ratings: Not Mother's Day

The 10 best, and worst, countries to be a mother

NEWSWEEK

May 12 issue - Flowers are nice, but a new report from Save the
Children suggests that schooling and basic health care would make
better Mother's Day gifts for many of the world's women.

IN ITS FOURTH annual "State of the World's Mothers" report, due out
this week, the group documents disparities among the 117 countries it
surveyed. In the lowest-ranking countries, women die in childbirth at
roughly 600 times the rate of women in the most developed countries,
and their babies are 27 times more likely to perish during the first
year of life. The United States, with its wide disparities in access
to health care, ranks 11th. Maternal and infant mortality are higher
here than in any of the top 10 countries.

10 BEST COUNTRIES TO BE A MOTHER
1. Sweden
2. Denmark
* Norway
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Canada
* The Netherlands
8. Australia
9. Austria
* United Kingdom

10 WORST COUNTRIES TO BE A MOTHER
108. Angola
109. Chad
* Mali
111. Guinea
* Sierra Leone
* Yemen
114. Guinea-Bissau
115. Ethiopia
116. Burkina Faso
117. Niger
* Asterisk indicates tie

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#115 Mark7567

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Posted 05 May 2003 - 04:48 PM

What about Luxemburg and Leichestien?

Maybe they are small countries but there welfare state is damn good.

What about Ireland?


What about Italy?


What about Japan?


What about South Korea?


maybe you should rethink your lists, taking in all the facts.
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 05:31 PM

Dr. Arthur Ide-----------

You are most certainly a very articulate gentleman

The Liberals I refer to are # 1 The currant French Canadian Gov.

The 2nd are the fence sitting variety that ruin proposals by comprimising them to death.

The rest I have no problem with
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 09:41 PM

<What about Luxemburg and Leichestien?

Maybe they are small countries but there welfare state is damn good.

What about Ireland?


What about Italy?


What about Japan?


What about South Korea?


maybe you should rethink your lists, taking in all the facts.>

I just copied it from Newsweek... My only explaination for them not including the above countries is that America probably didn't want to make the 99th in the list (ahead of Haiti and Zimbabwe)...

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Posted 06 May 2003 - 05:14 AM

To Dr. Ide:

You seem like a reasonably intelligent individual, yet to ask why people on the board don't use their own names is a rather foolish remark. The world is full of looneys beyond even a fictional writer's wildest imagination. I, though in "real life" a rather trusting individual, would not want my identity revealed for fear of some self righteous crazy seeking me out and blowing my brains out to silence my political views...or maybe just for fun.

Perhaps those who used their true names have an agenda such as notoriety or fascination with seeing one's own name plastered across cyberspace for the world and God to see.

Boppie the Beduin (or perhaps not)
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#119 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 06 May 2003 - 10:54 AM

boppie, thank you for the civility of your letter. I understand, as you write so eloquently, that "Perhaps those who used their true names have an agenda such as notoriety or fascination with seeing one's own name plastered across cyberspace for the world and God to see." I, personally, have no agenda--for I don't need any additional notoriety. But I am not ashamed of myself, nor am afraid of dying. I will live--and die--for my views. I will continue to use it so that others may place me if they wish. After numerous heart attacks, and a quadruple bypass, I won't be here much longer, anyway, so I must respond to what I feel to be errors, or to applaud those who argue logically even if it is against me and my views.
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#120 Dr. Arthur Ide

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Posted 06 May 2003 - 10:57 AM

donquijote, offers interesting facts from NEWSWEEK about, "In which the government could better look after her citizens." rating it on Mother's Day. The Bureau of Statistics of the USA notes that the state where it is most difficult to raise a child, have medical attention given to the child, etc. is George W. Bush's home state of Texas.
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