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#161 Gil Hughes

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Posted 15 May 2003 - 11:30 PM

F off ASSSHOLEE Compared to your mamas ------
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Posted 15 May 2003 - 11:30 PM

F off ASSSHOLEE Compared to your mamas ------
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Posted 16 May 2003 - 08:49 PM

<<America is the one that seems more isolated from the world, even though it speaks the de facto 'world language.' Maybe Internet can help...>>

<Possibly isolated from "your world"....

And that's a good thing.>

Really?

USA ignores the World and asks to be heard

Source: Talking Point, BBC News

Does the US have an image problem?

The US is suffering from a serious image problem, according to a new
report by an influential New York-based policy group.

The report by the Council on Foreign Relations says the US Government is
in need of an urgent public relations overhaul to improve its image in
the international community. It says the Bush administration has
significantly failed to capture the hearts and minds of non-Americans,
blaming a dramatic decline in funding for government departments
dedicated to promoting US policy and values overseas.

Snubbing Kyoto and the newly-established International Criminal Court
did no favours for the Bush administration either, according to the
report.
Do you think the US is suffering from a serious image problem? If so,
does it matter? How can America's image be improved on the world stage?

Of course it has an image problem! After years of making a mockery of
everything the bill of rights was supposed to stand for, even the
strongest American supporters question whether the Bush administration
is more like a corporation trying to please shareholders than a body to
represent the country and its people.
Hammad, London UK

The image that America presents to the world is of a culture based upon
blame, where it's acceptable to sue food companies rather than face
responsibility for what one eats. It interferes with the political
processes of countries where it has a commercial interest yet ignores
the plights of countries where it has no interests. America's image
problem is a reflection of its many cultural problems. Anon, UK

I believe the US's international popularity took a huge dive shortly
after George W Bush became president. The US has become associated with
arrogance, ignorance, political naivety and short-sighted policies - the
same traits seem to represent George W Bush as an individual. Chris B,
England

I doubt if most Americans have a problem with the rest of the world not
liking them. After all most Americans don't seem to be aware that there
is a world outside of America. Peter, UK

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Posted 17 May 2003 - 04:39 PM

<<Source: Talking Point, BBC News >>

<Consider the source.... >

I thought only the French were suspicious, but not you allies.

So who should be the source, Rush Limbaugh?

No wonder 75% of Americans voted for war...

Rush: The 35 Undeniable Truths
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(All equally truthful: number 1 is not more or less important than
35.)


There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism
and self-reliance - which made America great.

The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their
wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers,
and job creators.

No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.

Evidence refutes liberalism.

There is no such thing as a New Democrat.

The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.

Character matters; leadership decends from character.

The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you
cut it down.

Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century.

The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity; it was
the longest period of peacetime growth in American history.

Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy -every
time it's tried.

Condoms only work during the school year.

Poverty is not the root ("rut") cause of crime.

There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish
those who do not.

If you commit a crime, you are guilty.

Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud.

The way to improve our schools is not more money, but the
reintroduction of moral and spiritual values, as well as the four
"R's": reading, 'riting, 'rithmatic, and Rush.

I am not arrogant.

My first 35 Undeniable Truths are still undeniably true.

There is a God.

There is something wrong when critics say the problem with America is
too much religion.

Morality is not defined by individual choice.

The only way liberals win national elections is by pretending they're
not liberals.

Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access
to the mainstream of society.

Follow the money. When somebody says, "It's not the money," it's
always the money.

Liberals attempt through judicial activism what they cannot win at the
ballot box.

Using federal dollars as a measure, our cities have not been
neglected, but poisoned with welfare dependency funds.

Progress is not striving for economic justice or fairness, but
economic growth.

Liberals measure compassion by how many people are given welfare.
Conservatives measure compassion by how many people no longer need it.

Compassion is no substitute for justice.

The culture war is between the winners and those who think they're
losers who want to become winners. The losers think the only way they
can become winners is by banding together all the losers and then
empowering a leader of the losers to make things right for them.

The Los Angeles riots were not caused by the Rodney King verdict. The
Los Angeles riots were caused by rioters.

You could afford your house without your government - if it weren't
for your government.

Words mean things.

Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.

[tip: look yourself in the mirror!]

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Posted 17 May 2003 - 07:18 PM

<Do you dispute these or were you posting them to enlighten others?>

I found them 'amusing'...

<The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their
wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators.>

<I think the numbers show this to be correct...>

They majority did not inherited it; but since 5% of the population owns 80% of the wealth (off my head), we may as well say they got the best of it...

<No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.>

<Can you name a country don?>

Scandinavia, Europe...

<Evidence refutes liberalism.>

<But it hurst I know>

Evidence stacks up against capitalism and communism. Otherwise liberal countries like Canada fair much better than hard core capitalist nations like the US...

<The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down.>

<Think housing Don.. you know that thing you live in...>

I just saw an interesting case for substituting wood for cement, etc. as a renewable resource... Nevertheless, senseless clearing is taking place as we speak. Besides we need badly a forestation campaign, which I haven't seen in the planning anywhere...

<Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century. >

<The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity; it was the longest period of peacetime growth in American history.>

<Don I'm waiting to see some fact that tells me different.>

'Trickle down economics.' Who got the best of it?

<Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy -every time it's tried.>

<Too bad Africa doesn't understand this simple truth.>

I know, and Mother Teresa was pretty safe too...

<Liberals attempt through judicial activism what they cannot win at the ballot box.>

<SO F**** True...Witness Florida>

I know, they lost not by the votes, but by having a few conservative judges against them...

<The culture war is between the winners and those who think they're losers who want to become winners. The losers think the only way they can become winners is by banding together all the losers and then empowering a leader of the losers to make things right for them.>

<Does this one ring a bell?>

So, you make your history by the force of the gun... In other words, Rome was right about getting rid of a 'subversive' called Jesus...

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Posted 18 May 2003 - 07:48 PM

<The Earth's eco-system is not fragile. >..

So it says this clown... Let's see what this teenager got to say.

ARE WE DOING ENOUGH?
by Nathan M.

Our lives, futures and planet are in danger! By polluting the air, illegally disposing of toxic waste and burning rainforests, we are damaging our world, and what is the world, especially America, doing? Is it doing all that it can and should? The very simple answer is no.

When I researched the United States' environmental efforts, I was stunned. I expected facts that would show an overwhelming effort to do all it can to help our planet, but I was wrong. Everything I found showed overwhelmingly that America is doing nothing even close to what it should be.

The United States should be setting the standard. Citizens may be helping to protect the environment, but in many cases the government is not.

Our problems range from toxic waste to deforestation, air pollution and many, many more. Although we continue to investigate these, little has been done. In 1995, the government severely slashed funds for the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA is devoted to "protecting human health and safeguarding the natural environment," but its funds were used instead to build more highways (epa.gov). So the government took money from this agency to further damage the environment. They didn't stop there, though, and also withdrew funding from Population Control, a problem that becomes more serious every day. But we continue to manufacture hazardous chemicals and dispose of toxic waste in third-world countries.

In 1970, we clearly stated that we wanted to lead the world effort in environmental reform. In my opinion, in the past three decades we have not backed up this promise, lagging well behind other countries in opposing rainforest destruction, drift net sea fishing, and other destructive practices.

Some claim that the U.S. has done a lot to improve the environment, and I believe we have tried, like the development of Superfund, an organization formed to clean up toxic waste. Some may argue that President Clinton didn't take enough action and President Bush certainly has a lot to fix. Some say we have more to worry about than the environment, including war and preserving our Constitution. But aren't we a little selfish to look only at our problems, and not the world in general? You could say that problems should be addressed one place at a time, but time is running out.

As an American, I am embarrassed that my country is so ignorant, selfish and hypocritical. I love the U. S., but don't we stand for equality, courage and doing what is right? I believe that when it comes to environmental control, we show little sign of any of these traits. Even more than I love my country, I love my planet, and look forward to my future here, but if we continue to sit around and wait for someone else to improve it for us, our future will be filled with serious problems that should have been prevented.

This world is ours, and it's our job to save it. So we all must take a stand to correct what could potentially be catastrophic. If everyone does something, like writing your congressperson or donating to conservation funds, we can make a difference in our future. The future is in our hands; what we do today will have a lasting impact. What are you going to do?

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Posted 18 May 2003 - 08:08 PM

<<I found them 'amusing'...>>

<A little laugh is better than no laugh>

I think it could easily make the laughing stock of the world... if it weren't tragic.

<<Scandinavia, Europe..>>

<What are the tax rates....>

I think in the 50% area and it does the job, according to the results. However I'm not in favor of going that way as Switzerland gets better results than the US with lower tax rates (22 vs 27%, off the top of my head)...

TAXATION AND SPENDING
The federal government, cantons and communities all levy their own taxes. Each level collects about one-third of total government revenues, which in all comprise approximately 26% of GNP. Most taxes are direct and low. The average Swiss citizen pays about 16% of his income in taxes, and average company taxes are about 20% of profits. Switzerland's national debt and inflation rate are low. Total government spending for all three levels has averaged only 22.6% of GNP since 1946, yet expenditure on welfare and education per capita is high. This is because government revenues are spent effectively rather than wasted on a bloated bureaucracy.

<<Evidence stacks up against capitalism and communism. Otherwise liberal countries like Canada fair much better than hard core capitalist nations like the US...>>

<Not so...Canadians have to go to the US to make a decent living...The standard of living is not as good.>

Canada does better in these key areas: health care, education, environment, crime...

<<'Trickle down economics.' Who got the best of it? >>

I did...Made a ton of dinero during those times as did many of my middle calss friends.

We would need some 'trickle UP economics'... Isn't the working class the one that should get rich first?

<<I know, they lost not by the votes, but by having a few conservative judges against them...>>

No, they lost because they brought thousands of political lawyers to florida and tried to change the rules of the election AFTER they had lost. The insuing fight went to the supreme court.

By democratic vote the right lost...

<<So, you make your history by the force of the gun... In other words, Rome was right about getting rid of a 'subversive' called Jesus...>>

<I guess I don't equate winners and losers as always being at the point of a gun....>

I wonder how you make that much fuss from the history of a "loser"...

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Posted 18 May 2003 - 10:01 PM

RE you posted : <<<I believe the US's international popularity took a huge dive shortly
after George W Bush became president. The US has become associated with
arrogance, ignorance, political naivety and short-sighted policies - the
same traits seem to represent George W Bush as an individual. Chris B,
England >>

I agree with this post, I knew I was leaving here for good when i could not believe my eyes at the time they were opened

After studying cultures, and have gladly decided to relocate to a great country that I shall enjoy immensly to live the rest of my life.
I won't say where but I admit its leader is a lapdog for the corpirate imperialist globalists,. .and begging for that oil and "charity" from it's master to whom it is obedient.
I will just live there GLAD THAT im not here.

corpirates always decide how long or short that is don't they ?.
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Posted 18 May 2003 - 10:23 PM

It's not really charity when it's someone elses blood
that you are giving out

well dogs don't care :(
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Posted 18 May 2003 - 11:26 PM

Yes, we should join the civilized world like,

Saudi Arabia, where they chop off your hand for stealing bread,
or Sudan, where you are murdered for being a Christian,
or China, where you are forced to have an abortion,
or Eastern Europe, where you can be forced to be a prostitute
or the Phillipines, where you can be kidnapped for being Western,
or West Europe, where you can't walk the streets if you're Jewish

Please, I don't even want to visit anywhere outside the U.S.
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Posted 19 May 2003 - 05:29 PM

<<This world is ours, and it's our job to save it. So we all must take a stand to correct what could potentially be catastrophic. If everyone does something, like writing your congressperson or donating to conservation funds, we can make a difference in our future. The future is in our hands; what we do today will have a lasting impact. What are you going to do>>

<I'm doing my part.....What are you doing? >

Personally I drive the smallest vehicle I've found and I'm planning to get a rowing boat soon. I don't want any big SUV or motor boat.

Politically, I'm doing this campaign that takes around 11 years. I decided to give it a fight motivated by the Rio Summit in 1992, and wrote my first article...

DON QUIXOTE VS RAMBO!

When the environmental crisis worsens, how can one remain passive? Neither the Rio Earth Summit nor the Kyoto Protocol*, regrettably, will do much for the crisis.

I have been long enough on this planet to witness the rampant abuse of resources. We still cherish, here in America, the big, fat SUV and the motor boat.

I have, however, a few earthy proposals:

1. INCREASE THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, such as in Europe and Japan. The revenue so raised could be used to IMPROVE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION, from fast trains to the creation of bicycle paths along all major streets.

2. Open letters from parents to children, perhaps encouraged via the schools, in which the parents vow to specific lifestyle changes. Such letters are to be conspicuously displayed in the home. Say, for example, it could say "ride bicycle to work", etc.

Let's not only give our children their lives, but the chance to live it as well. Don Quixote would have said: "Sancho, let's go for him!"

* The U.S. unilaterally withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol...



SOURCE: The New York Times of February 15, 1996. (While this article refers to one period of cheaper prices, the fact remains: Gasoline is way too cheap to encourage conservation. Proof of that are the ever larger SUVs on American roads.)

(CAPTION ON PHOTO: "Mary and David McIntosh, with their four children and two Chevrolet Suburban sport utility vehicles, sometimes exceed 70 mph driving for weekend ski trips. Energy specialists say these driving habits are typical of Americans." [The McIntoshes smile.])

WITH PRICES LOW, GASOLINE GUZZLING MAKES A COMEBACK
By Agis Salpukas

Gas guzzling is back.
Americans are driving bigger cars and trucks longer distances and at higher speeds -ignoring warnings about increased pollution or another oil shock.

And why not? [!] Gas costs less, in inflation-adjusted terms, than at any time since the 1950's, the golden era of gas guzzling, when metallic monsters with fins spewed noxious fumes and got 10 miles to the gallon in city traffic.

Today, gas is so cheap that Mary McIntosh never looks at the price signs when she goes to fill up the 40-gallon tank of her hulking Chevrolet Suburban spot utility vehicle. She just pulls the truck, which seats nine people, into the first Mobil station she sees -because she has a Mobil credit card. "I zip it through and that's it," she said in her living room here as her husband, David, who drives his own Suburban, nodded in approval...

Today, the forces of the marketplace and the work place [?] seem to be conspiring to erase Americans' former energy austerity [referring to the conservationist fervor that swept the nation after the Arab oil embargo of 1973].

Millions of Americans, like the McIntoshes, find that the cost of gasoline barely dents their budget. Adjusted for inflation, the current average price of $1.14 for a gallon of unleaded gasoline is only half what it was in the early 1980's.

Meantime, the long-term trend away from using mass transportation to get to work continues. Between 1980 and 1990, for example, when 18 million jobs were created, 22 million more commuters hit the highways rather than the train or bus -usually driving alone.

The McIntoshes chose their Suburbans, which barely get 12 mpg in local traffic, two years ago because they were big enough to ferry their children and all their gear, and because the hefty size made Mrs. McIntosh feel safer, especially with a toddler in the car. "I know it's so American," [!] she said. "It's big and has a lot of power."

Another factor whetting the national thirst for gasoline is the continuing suburbanization of America, making long drives essential to keeping in touch with friends. Wellington Sears, a 74-year old retired engineer, drives 15 miles in his 1987 Lincoln to get free coffee and play bingo along with dozens of other retired people at the Caldor department store in the Fayetteville Mall near Syracuse. His wife drives her Mercury to the same bingo game, and afterwards the two go separately to other malls to meet friends. It burns a lot of gas, Mr. Sears concedes. "I don't care," [!] he said. "I do my thing, she does hers."

And if big is beautiful for many American motorists, very big is back, too. An increasing number of people want to take living room, kitchen and bathroom along when they travel, keeping demand strong for gas-hungry recreational vehicles. In the 1990's sales of these vehicles have grown dramatically, hitting a peak in 1994 and falling slightly last year.

Eric Rector, general manager of a dealership in Clifton Park, NY, walked through his cavernous showroom filled with gleaming white vehicles, which get as little as 8 mpg on the open road. Stepping inside the $150,000 Sun Voyager, he showed how the 13-foot-long living room can be expanded when the vehicle is parked.

"People work hard," he said, "and they work to have fun." [!]

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Posted 19 May 2003 - 05:35 PM

<Yes, we should join the civilized world like,

Saudi Arabia, where they chop off your hand for stealing bread,
or Sudan, where you are murdered for being a Christian,
or China, where you are forced to have an abortion,
or Eastern Europe, where you can be forced to be a prostitute
or the Phillipines, where you can be kidnapped for being Western,
or West Europe, where you can't walk the streets if you're Jewish

Please, I don't even want to visit anywhere outside the U.S. >

I know you get a lot of comfort from countries like that, and you may also consider Cuba, Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia.

But if you really wanted to see a better run country, just hop into Canada; it ain't that far...

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Posted 19 May 2003 - 05:48 PM

hey, c2what, you GOTS to lay off the weed, my man. those eyes are bloodshot somethin' fierce...
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Posted 25 April 2005 - 06:42 PM

Originally posted by averageamerican
Yes, we should join the civilized world like,

Saudi Arabia, where they chop off your hand for stealing bread,
or Sudan, where you are murdered for being a Christian,
or China, where you are forced to have an abortion,
or Eastern Europe, where you can be forced to be a prostitute
or the Phillipines, where you can be kidnapped for being Western,
or West Europe, where you can't walk the streets if you're Jewish

Please, I don't even want to visit anywhere outside the U.S.



You live in a make-believe world of unreality. America has more poverty than any other nation in Europe or Canada. There are more homeless people in America than there are in any nation except India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. There are more state sponsored executions in America than any where else. There is more crime in America, more drug abuse, more drunkenness, and more child molestation and the statistics increase as the rabid radical religious right, evangelical extremists, demand personhood for the fetus while preparing to execute the born. America is not a land of plenty unless it is for Tom DeLay and the cronies of Bush. America is truly the Fourth Reich where the KKK rule in the South, and in the north athletics triumph over academics. It is in America that there are book burnings, record smashing, and old-fashioned censorship, and worse. It is in America where credit is easy and when anyone loses his or her job and cannot find worse the bankruptcy courts give no inch to alleviating the plight of the one suffering. It is in America where the brain-dead use up valuable resources so that quacks and fakes like Dr Freist of TN and the US Senate can make preported medical judgments without seeing the patient, and where doctored tapes are introduced as facts. It in in America that the myth of Creation overrides the tested theory of evolution, and where the Superintendent of Education in Atlanta wants science to conform to the bible. It is in America where banks rule Congress and Congress ignores the voters. It is in America where foreigners are greeted by signs telling them to go home, and that the ignorant praise a nation that is no longer a democracy but a theocracy spewing the line "One Nation Under God" the same as Iran, and where human rights are ignored by the US mercaneries in Iraq who butcher women and children, and imprison men to torture them with the consent of a venal, odious opportunistic Attorney General Anthony Gonzales at the invitation of the Queen of War Secretary of State Condi Rice. Any nation is better to visit than for any one to visit America.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Mark7567
I'm not not speaking badly of America because i dont like her. I'm just saying it how it is.

I don't know why you can sit there and stereotype everything, for not all Americans are welthy. In fact 30% of the population are below the pverty line.

Not everything is in black and white ter,s so don't see it that way.

I dont hate America, I dont dislike America. I'm not a socialist.



Hi, everybody.
I do understand Mark s words. It is not hate for a country that makes one state facts about a country that reveal its weak side.

It looks like US citizens are vulnerable to read such statements because they have been overly trained in being proud of their country. There is a widespread belief that the US is the most influencial country and therefore perhaps the "best" country in the world.

In such discussions the matter is not which country is the "best" one. It is more beneficial to try to analyse facts as they are. I believe it s a fact that the US does not have as many resources as Russia or even the continent of Africa. Therefore there is this tendency of trying to conquer resources in other countries or exploit Africa in one way or the other by well-thought business strategies.
Best.




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Posted 13 May 2005 - 02:30 AM

Originally posted by Dr. Arthur Ide
You live in a make-believe world of unreality. America has more poverty than any other nation in Europe or Canada. There are more homeless people in America than there are in any nation except India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. There are more state sponsored executions in America than any where else. There is more crime in America, more drug abuse, more drunkenness, and more child molestation and the statistics increase as the rabid radical religious right, evangelical extremists, demand personhood for the fetus while preparing to execute the born. America is not a land of plenty unless it is for Tom DeLay and the cronies of Bush. America is truly the Fourth Reich where the KKK rule in the South, and in the north athletics triumph over academics. It is in America that there are book burnings, record smashing, and old-fashioned censorship, and worse. It is in America where credit is easy and when anyone loses his or her job and cannot find worse the bankruptcy courts give no inch to alleviating the plight of the one suffering. It is in America where the brain-dead use up valuable resources so that quacks and fakes like Dr Freist of TN and the US Senate can make preported medical judgments without seeing the patient, and where doctored tapes are introduced as facts. It in in America that the myth of Creation overrides the tested theory of evolution, and where the Superintendent of Education in Atlanta wants science to conform to the bible. It is in America where banks rule Congress and Congress ignores the voters. It is in America where foreigners are greeted by signs telling them to go home, and that the ignorant praise a nation that is no longer a democracy but a theocracy spewing the line "One Nation Under God" the same as Iran, and where human rights are ignored by the US mercaneries in Iraq who butcher women and children, and imprison men to torture them with the consent of a venal, odious opportunistic Attorney General Anthony Gonzales at the invitation of the Queen of War Secretary of State Condi Rice. Any nation is better to visit than for any one to visit America.



Gee, I know now why they say America is #1!:confused:
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 01:29 PM

BUMP !
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