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#181 cpwill

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 09:56 AM

didn't bother to read the posts:

what would it take for russia to be #1???

a miracle.
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#182 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 04:42 PM

(Hey guys, while the world is getting bored at the beaches, etc, we are having fun discussing the future of the world. OK, let's make it fun!) :)

<Look, while free enterprise (not capitalism) exists, there will be Bill Gates. That's not a bad thing, necessarily. See, it allows us to communicate!>

Good! Only that he could be taxed at the Scandinavian going rate for the super rich...

<Then you have the needs of the masses. That's where progressive ideas, Marx, Engels, and in the US, progressives like Ralph Nader and M.L. King come into play. We must protect the environment at all costs, this is obvious. By properly installing government regulation that can be accomplished.>

Scandinavia got a pretty good balance I'd say. They got high-tech companies like Ericsson and Nokia alongside of an advanced recycling program where, say, bottles are exchanged for money at a machine. There's no litter around and their environment is the highest priority. And Iceland even promised to do away with oil...

<That means you'll pay more to consume. And that is a GOOD thing. We need to watch over big business like a hawk, but countries without big business tend to fall behind the rest of society.>

OK, the companies above are big. Perhaps they can be part of the solution so far as they are responsible...

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#183 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 04:53 PM

<Many ideas and ideologies for government some good some bad, sprung up last century. Where are the new ideas now?>

The new ideas are happening as we speak at places like Curitiba or Switzerland, where with very little talk they are having things getting done and direct democracy. In America though--and most of the world--they are resisting any kind of change that could challenge them. Colombia is falling apart from a guerrilla war that's based on high-profit drug prohibition, without ever daring to say regulation. Terrorism threatens the whole world...

The good ideas abound, just look at the book 'Natural Capitalism,' but, of course, they are ignored by the powers that be...

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#184 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 05:18 PM

<So you say Russia should be like the US to be number one. Yeah
I can see the Lion kings in the US moving over and sharing the
rackets and profits.
That would make two lions.>

That's it: 1 lion + 1 lion= 2 lions! :)

The promise being that the new lion will someday get to be like the old one. But the smaller lion will never get to be like the Lion King, just some accomplice to be content with the leftovers. Meanwhile the little animals under the new lion will benefit from the leftovers from the leftovers, the real food having gone to the old lion. Ah, who understands the jungle!

The thing is: What do we need a lion for?

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 05:41 PM

<First rule of economics:

Unemployed consumers cannot support a consumer economy.
Made in China doesn't put supper on the table :(>

That's right. One note though, Made in China puts toothpicks and other essentials on the table. Just check the Dollar Store. :)
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#186 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 06:15 PM

<<what would it take for russia to be #1???>>

<a miracle.>

OK, you can go ahead and pray...

Or we can do something about it and, I'll assure you, get it done. Sweden around a century ago went from being a poor country that had a large immigration to America to being considered a model to the world in a period of a few years. Not bad, ah?

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#187 The Beat

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 07:17 PM

Sweden is a good model of a society that has successfully joined Socialism with Capitalism. They would be great model to use.

Their advertising campaign could stand some reform, however. In the mid-60s they tried to introduce their vacuum cleaner, Electrolux, to the American economy. Their slogan, however, missed by a mile:

NOTHING SUCKS LIKE AN ELECTROLUX

Let's just say that it didn't get off to a fabulous start, and left a few years later.
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 07:50 PM

DonQ said: " Iceland even promised to do away with oil..."

I liked what you said but that is a bad example. You hold up as an example a country that is (and has been) largely "powered" by geo-thermal energy.
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#189 Buttersideup

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 07:53 PM

"That would make two lions."

Yes, however since they are in different teritories you could look at as a lion aliance. Lots of jackals in the jungle.
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 08:06 PM

"That would make two lions."

<Yes, however since they are in different teritories you could look at as a lion aliance. Lots of jackals in the jungle.>

Yeah, and the other players of the jungle are: the little animals (everybody's victims, but largely indifferent), the mighty hungry, stupid lions (who are more hungry than stupid), the violent monkeys (who are out to get even with the lions), and the nonviolent monkeys (who spend their free time hitting keys on the computer, hoping to get the other stupid animals--and themselves--out of trouble...)

Is it fair? :)

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#191 The Beat

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 08:11 PM

We have gone from: discussing economic strategies to build up Russia - or lack thereof

To: The Jungle Book

Personally, I think the hippo is vastly underrated. If he sings, it's all over baby.
Ostriches are given a poorly deserved reputation - just 'casue they hide their head in the sand when trouble comes - c'mon I've seen worse
My favorite: the vulture -- okay, maybe he doesn't live in the jungle, but who else in Mother Nature acts like a friggin neon light in the sky for the rest of the animals saying, "Supper time."
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#192 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 08:14 PM

<Sweden is a good model of a society that has successfully joined Socialism with Capitalism. They would be great model to use.>

Yeap, and in the cases where it doesn't fit, the Swiss system would be better. The former more apt for homogenous societies, the latter for heterogenous ones. Switzerland's model has even being presented by an American newspaper as an option for Afghanistan. It's a pitty they don't apply to themselves...

<Their advertising campaign could stand some reform, however. In the mid-60s they tried to introduce their vacuum cleaner, Electrolux, to the American economy. Their slogan, however, missed by a mile:

NOTHING SUCKS LIKE AN ELECTROLUX>

I like the one that goes: "Women suck, real women..."
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#193 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 08:59 PM

<The Jungle Book>

I think the jungle is like a well crafted web of complicity (also called an 'ecosystem'). The lions (they usually become tyrants) only cares about eating and uses whatever power it needs. Foxes (these usually go into politics) get the next biggest chunk. The hyenas get the most leftovers, so they blindly defend the King. Next is the vultures, who get some but not much (these usually go into churches and NGOs). Then is the parrot who gets little, but roars like a lion (these are usually eaten by the lion in times of crisis). And also there's the ostrich, who functions as head of large organizations for its capacity to bury its head in the sand in times of accountability... Of course, at the wrong end of the food chain you find the little animals. But, hey, nothing is perfect...

And according to the Jungle Book, which is written by the animals at the upper end of the food chain, they lived happily ever after...

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#194 The Beat

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 09:00 PM

Argh,


I give up!
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#195 donquijote

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 09:07 PM

<I give up!>

They don't know what they are missing at the beach. If the people at the nudist beach, only 1 mile away from where I am, knew they could be having this kind of fun hitting keys... :)
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 09:58 PM

Shell estimates that at present rates of production, Russia's oil will last 22 years (Moscow Times), but Russia has heaps of
natural gas going well beyond that.
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 10:05 PM

<<What would it take for Russia to be #1? >>

<A miracle!>

Hey, cheating is not allowed! It was said in the last 24 hrs.

Anyways, I wonder how is it that Jerry Falwell hasn't done something for Russia? :(
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#198 Buttersideup

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Posted 06 July 2003 - 10:06 PM

Watch out for that treeeeee
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 10:09 PM

The lions (they usually become tyrants)

They sleep for 18 hours a day. After eating that leaves very little time for tyrannical behaviour.
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 10:43 PM

<They sleep for 18 hours a day. After eating that leaves very little time for tyrannical behaviour. >

The lions I know though behave quite different. They really don't have a life, but they like to control life. They got a slogan that goes: "It's not enough to succeed, others must fail."

Of course, most of the dirty work is done by the next animals down on the food chain, so they appear nice and innocent. The only defense against them is not to dress like another lion--in which case the kill you on the spot--but to blow their cover... :)

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