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#1981 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 11 February 2004 - 01:51 PM

Bader; Nice news - Wesley Clark and Lieberman are out from presidential race. Who fight with Slavs should prepare itself to grave. Milosevic has good reason to laugh
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 01:56 PM

May Russia endrun OPEC and the petroplutocrat pols
of Blair-BP by providing great amounts of oil for the poor
around the world who cannot afford another 10 cent
a gallon screwing

and may trains and buses replace cars

Boycott the 3 biggest: Exxon, BP, Shell

BP and its parent Anglo Iranian Oil have 6 times invaded
Iraq since 1917
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 02:48 PM

More Brzezinski theme of ; "Drang nach Osten," and "Lebensraum.";

*Geopolitics and Geostrategy;*

Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;


Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;


Who rules the World-Island commands the world.

"Drang nach Osten," and "Lebensraum.";

step is required: * , to formulate specific US policies to offset, co-opt, and/or control the above, so as to preserve and promote vital US interests, and to conceptualize a more comprehensive geostrategy that establishes on a global scale the interconnection between the more specific US policies. "

... a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"
Who is who;
Russia, is a major geostrategic player, in spite of its weakened state and probably prolonged malaise.
China is already a significant regional power
Indonesia as a dynamic geostrategic player is easier to make
India is in the process of establishing itself as a regional power and views itself as potentially a major global player as well. It also sees itself as a rival to China
Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire Azerbaijan, with its vast energy resources, is also geopolitically critical
Both Turkey and Iran, however, are primarily important geopolitical pivots. Turkey stabilizes the Black Sea region,

South Korea is a Far Eastern geopolitical pivot. Its close links to the United States enable America to shield Japan and thereby to keep Japan from becoming an independent and major military power,


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Posted 11 February 2004 - 06:06 PM

>>>*What new Eurasian coalitions are possible, which might be most dangerous to US interests, and what needs to be done to preclude them?<<<

US Interests? It's a shell game. There is only the apparency of US interests to be used to justify activity to usurp wealth and power in the middle east and that wealth and power is not intended for the US.

Any country today, including the US, can be crushed economically.

Dismantling the current global agencies such as the World Bank, the IMF, the OECD, etc., is the only way to bring about change and there is a snowball's chance in hell of these agencies changing their agenda until they are spotted as the source of all the madness we see around us.

Their actions are, of course, rationalized as being in the best interests of the planet. De-population is one of their objectives - anyone willing to volunteer?
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 09:03 PM

wheels within wheels.
The nationalists like the US and Israel are porns of the internationlists and expendable once their used-by date comes up.
Besides agreeing with Pliny, the US is the most precarious because its roots are isolated to Nth America and it is the most easily hated and despised of all nations being the biggets stranger, then there is the dollar propped up by many nations who only need to "find" an alternative and the dollar and the US standard of living and power will depreciate dramatically.
I agree with Pliny "wealth and power isnt for the US" long run.
If the US world power collapses the Zionists will turn to the Euro. Israel is already inviting UE to become more involved in the Middle East. That should be a warning light to the US citizens.
When the dollar bribery flow cuts off to many nations like Pakistan, Egypt, Royalist Arabs- Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar etc will probably find a new relationship with Israel and UE, to fill the vacuum and Israeli and Nato forces will inherit the US bases. The key will be to persuade the general population of Israel
to accept a one-state nation, then the Palestinians biggest problem will be Arafat. The jewel in the crown will be making Jerusalem the International Celestial City with the UN Forces and the Pope represented- peace. No threat to the Jew. Palestinians will be fighting each other over local and new political powers/business in the building of a new country out of the ruins.
bank-rolled by guess who?
Israel will control politics and finance/business of the new Iraq
so the same will happen in the in one-state. After all with their small numbers, what future can they have other than be in the ruling class. They will rule the middle east/protect the oil flow for the Roman emperor.
A key is the oil flow.
Turkey and Iran are key states now Iraq and Afghanistan are
destablised. UE is courting Iran and Turkey is in Nato.
The Russians and Slavic nation could align with Turkey and Iran
as a neutral block to bring sanity and block the European/Bnk England/Wall St empire. They would have all the oil pipelines and
possible lines covered- if Iraq and Afghan. remain unstable/warring.
If they could entise Germany to (rebel against Rome again) join them there wouldnt be a military force able to do anything about it. Nato would be seriously weakened.
But could they handle the power, would it go to their head, or has things become so serious and threatening enough for them to realise a just system has to prevail. But can people of communist empire culture create a commonwealth to ofset the
Roman empire?
In parallel will be the age old feud between the Orthodox Churches and Roman Catholicism - Constantinople v Rome.
The One Worlders would prefer that these two went to war as that would make the case for world govt stronger and more powerful.
There appears little time left for a group of nations to show the leadership the world needs otherwise we will get a UN type world govt with a House of Lords with Zbig, Henry and George Snr and the like making decisions over what they have left of us.
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 11:14 PM

>>>The Russians and Slavic nation could align with Turkey and Iran as a neutral block to bring sanity and block the European/Bnk England/Wall St empire. They would have all the oil pipelines and
possible lines covered- if Iraq and Afghan. remain unstable/warring.<<<

A dream to bring sanity?

Would the Empire allow such a coalition to occur? All it would take is keeping Iraq and Afghan destabilized/warring, along with some whispered slander (Disinformation) from a trusted (though treasonous) third party to prevent the coalition and thus our salvation from tyranny.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 10:41 AM

The Iraqi wells were secured first this time, last time special forces set them on fire and blamed Saddam. There have been no reports to my knowledge that the oil from Iraq is being hindered,
nor the pipelines sabotaged. But if Iraq remains subject to
war against the invaders and the puppet govt and an alliance
formed around Russia while the US got further into problems
the patriots might target the oilpipelines. After all it will be the oil that will pay the insider corporations - cronies of the Bush oil-cabal of Cheney and co and the cost of war.
Afghan. will remain as is probably for years so it is unlikely any pipelines will be built through there.

Thus the areas to the north eg Georgia will be more crucial for the Caspian oil and gas. If an Alliance can control that region
north of the Middle East and cooperate with OPEC which the US
has moved away from the world will get a fair market.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 11:50 AM

Let us say what Brzesinski says more on this subject;

intercepts from grob post;

... Official Washington has consistently proclaimed its desire to see Europe emerge as a single entity, powerful enough to share with America both the responsibilities and the burdens of global leadership.

That has been the established rhetoric on the subject. But in practice, the United States has been less clear and less consistent. Does Washington truly desire a Europe that is a genuinely equal partner in world affairs, or does it prefer an unequal alliance? For example, is the United States prepared to share leadership with Europe in the Middle East, a region not only much closer geographically to Europe than to America but also one in which several European states have long-standing interests? The issue of Israel instantly comes to mind.

U.S.-European differences over Iran and Iraq have also been treated by the United States not as an issue between equals but as a matter of insubordination.

Washington has also shown a clear preference for German -- rather than French -- leadership in Europe. NATO provides not only the main mechanism for the exercise of US influence regarding European matters but the basis for the politically critical American military presence in Western Europe the US voice in NATO is still decisive.
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Posted 12 February 2004 - 12:03 PM

Now is coming fragment explaining why US WILL NOT Attack North Korea;

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Posted 12 February 2004 - 12:21 PM

Now we are coming to a clue ;
Bush didn
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 09:40 AM

The reason Zbig. talked of a single European entity is because
once they are all inside a single entity it is easier to control,
naturally the US influence, head of the table, meant they had
a commanding influence over all Europe not just a dozen of so states.

Is it still true WOJ that France is outside NATO? Then it is natural that the US would pat Germanson the back before France. Then there is the point that a re-united Germany has taken in a part
of former Warsaw Pact which must be a help to incorporate the
rest of Eastern Europe.
The other factor that is loud by its absence- the position of Russia,
and the expansion of europe eastwards means the encroachment on Russia, as in the case with Georgia.
On the otherha nd the greater European consciousness grows the more they will want to be left to themselves and we are seeing that with the prospects of a NATO substitute ready action force that will not include the US. Naturally this puts Germany on a higher level in Eurpean affairs as they will lead it.
I recall reading something about a couple of years ago. It was
about Berlin becoming a new centre of power but I cant recall the detail.

Regards the relationship between Europe and the US re the Middle East, the position was well evident over the invasion of Iraq. My interpretation is that France and Germany were more against the invasion going ahead without their role ina joint planning etc than the capture of the state and its resources. I
expect that after their coopreation in the demise of Jugoslavia
and the elimination of Molisivic that they expected joint operations to continue.

China and Japan have recently formed a joint commercial operation that to me suggests a wider importance perhaps similar to the Shangai COOP Organisation (SCO) between Russia,
China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyza, Uzbekestan and Tajikistan,
which is a trade and military association.
I have just been reading that China is now 2nd behind the US in the use of petroleum and sixty percent comes from the Mid East and their needs are going to grow considerably and as a result they will need to assert influence in order to not be starved into submission. So the SCO may be pushed into prominance by the likes of Zbigs strategic plan or any modified one by the current
toadies in the FRC behind the US admin.
Recall the bombing of the Chineses embasy in Serbia. That was believed to have been in retaliation for China persuading Albania to close its border to an oil pipeline.
I just found an old note of a agreement for China to build an oil refinary in Karachi, the article suggested the oil could be coming from Sudan.
Lets just list a few things and see if there is a possible thread
linking them.
The war conditions in Sudan and Somalia.
The presence of oil in that region.
The past presence of Osama Bin Laden and the US military there.
The posibility of oil pipeline through Afghanistan.
The association of O Bin Laden and the US again in Afghanistan.
The refusal of the Taleban to agree to the US corps to build a pipeline through Afghanistan and the threat to bomb the hell out of them by the US if they dont.
The huge oil demand by Japan and China and the need for a major oil flow development out of the Caspian region for them.
The familay background of Bin Laden and his interests being to
counter the US.

It may be O Bin Laden's biggest crime is trying to arrange an Asian (Chinese fronted) deal and supply of oil from east Africa and the Caspian that would outflank Zbig's strategy. He may have persuaded the Taleban to only allow an "Asian" focused operation. The biggest challenge naturally to this is who and how it would have been paid for.
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 11:05 AM

Bader ; <<<The other factor that is loud by its absence- the position of Russia;>>>

This is just a clue and this part I am going to copy today;
Brzesinski says;

"In fact, an Islamic revival - already abetted from the outside not only by Iran but also by Saudi Arabia - is likely to become the mobilizing impulse for the increasingly pervasive new nationalisms, determined to oppose any reintegration under Russian - and hence infidel - control." (p. 133).

"For Pakistan, the primary interest is to gain Geostrategic depth through political influence in Afghanistan - and to deny to Iran the exercise of such influence in Afghanistan and Tajikistan - and to benefit eventually from any pipeline construction linking Central Asia with the Arabian Sea."? (p.139)

"Turkmenistan... has been actively exploring the construction of a new pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arabian Sea" That puts a premium on maneuver and manipulation in order to prevent the emergence of a hostile coalition that could eventually seek to challenge America's primacy..."
"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world?
The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire?
Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 11:54 AM

Facts are facts; Bush the Republican dutifully implement the dream security adviser of pious and Democratic President Jimmy Carter.
Of course one might see a lot of different between these both parties, but I only distinction in an attire
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Posted 13 February 2004 - 05:59 PM

We can see clearly why Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were by-passed and the Taleban hit, the least of the three in terms of perceived support to terrorism.

"widely perceived direct threat", no question about what played that part. Its part of the gheto mentality/persecution complex well practised by another people who have a big stake in this game.
Remember the Jonestown mass suicide/murder, same cultic
circle the wagons social dynamics. Like a mob in the street, they are easily lead, dont think just follow emotions, like the heards we see in Africa with the big cats lerking.
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 01:58 AM

Bader; << "widely perceived direct threat",>>
I agree that Bush doesn
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 04:29 AM

Howdy Woj:
We cant expect the details of a strategic plan to stay on line after several years as some variables will change but the main objective which is over-time is not likely to change. It may have been because the Taleban changed and said no to Enron doing the piperline that caused a change in order of thrust but remember that Iraq was in suspended animation for at least a decade and throughout being bombed intermitently so it isnt so simple to talk about the order of war with Iraq.
The fact that the Twin Towers were previously "attacked" by terrorists and failed to create a national threat has to be part of the twist and turns and then there is the allegation by Joe Vials that Israel by Operation Shekhinah was going to invade Southern Iraq in October 2001, the month following Sept 11. The target was to take over the oil wells.
If this is fact then I suspect that the plan A of the operation was to force the US into setting off Sept 11 otherwise they would go in- plan B, no more procrastination as it would appear Clinton was
guilty of.
There is another dimention that is exposed by people who have been deep into witch-craft and they are disclosing the timing
in regards certain dates in order to gain power to succeed and Bush is in tune regardless of his consciousness and claims to be serving God. Both Bush and his father has been to the Wall in
Jerusalem in submission while I have seen no evidence or claim that Clinton did.

Some say that Germany and Iran have a strong relationship on the Aryan factor, Iran means Aryan. Turkey and Iran are currently establishing closer relations, not suprising given the circumstances. Turkey will also be aware that the secular states
of Islam are the most battered by Zionist/US.

Bush and his oil cabal may have been chosen to complete a certain stage only.
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 11:34 AM

Valentine Day;
Today we send our love wishes to Walentina W?adimirowna (1937-), Tierieszkowa-Niko?ajewa ; Russian woman cosmonaut who in 1963 on Wostok 6 became first in history woman cosmonaut for 71 hrs.
Thank you Valentina , we Slavs love you!. .
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 12:25 PM

Bader; <<Turkey will also be aware that the secular states
of Islam are the most battered by Zionist/US.

Bush and his oil cabal may have been chosen to complete a certain stage only>>>
....

Turkey are perfectly aware that US won I Persian war because Turkey supplied 45 thousand troops, for what they hasn
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 07:55 PM

Wasnt she the one who married was it Gargarin or similar name
the first man in space.
I used to wonder if their off-spring showed any sign of gene change from exposure to radiation.
There was an article in Pravda recently that reviewed the space race. It appears the US won the race to hollywood, unless that
challenge put out regarding the US supposed moon landing was
a fiction I cant see how NASA could explain it.
I dont think humans can survive deepspace because of the intense radiation which explains why the Russians didnt try to go to the moon. They must have know the US exploit was phoney
but said nothing. Perhaps their scientists sat around watching
the news saying- hey look at that, see such and such, thats not possible and look at the wind blowing the flag etc. ONe would think it would have been a good excuse for a party to celebrate the US capitulation.

The obvious fact that the US didnt prepare to reconstruct and restore Iraq indicates they didnt intend to stay long term only the
affects of what they have done. Two other interests come in for consideration. Israel and global corporates of which the US serves both. Govts are now subordinate to the global corporates,
thats bankers law.
LIkewise immigration policy of the Intern. Banks and their global free-market-corp regimes will put huge numbers of Chinese in Australasia and in one generation could form the largest racial block. This is also putting Muslims into Europe, millions of Turks already having huge impact on culture and social services
including schools, is basically driven by the debt money system,
the consumate dictator.
Petrochemical industry goes way beyond petrol and oil for transport and industry, there are so many by-products, which China will need.
There are other cheap sourses of energy which Tesla discovered
but was betrayed by JP Morgan, which means it all went to the
Rothschilds and co. Thats why the US is in Iraq following Zbig's
strategy for control. It is the money power who set up the
think tanks etc. It is even inconcievable that the likes of Mossad
and CIA can operate outside the international bansters directs-
like loose cannons.
Money power also choses the scientific school of though that
dictates, which in tern locks humanity out of things that cannot be controlled by debt. We are going to have to move away from Einstein, that is the theories chosen from his work to go down Tesla's track.

I was reading about the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh where microlending has made more than $4 billion tiny loans to the poor.
The guru says that if the poor have the same access to credit as the rich they would thrive, they are quite capable of looking after themselves. That is under a honest and socially just system.
Then there wouldnt be the tax loads on the worker and the business people or as much state social policy. I stick to my claim Marx knew where the money system would lead to inspite of it being the engine of capitalism. He wasnt sponsored by the poor
but a rich man who would have been a friend of bankers.
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Posted 14 February 2004 - 09:01 PM

Bader; ,,,Bush and his oil cabal may have been chosen to complete a certain stage onl>>>>>

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