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#2001 Bader

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Posted 14 February 2004 - 11:31 PM

Its a mystery with all the smoke and mirrors.
Churchill was a zionist but faithful to his British roots and perhpas was conscious of the common heritage based on the Old Testament. I recall a quote from him which made no bones about
powerful forces that conspied to take the world, one of the bset
I have read.

I suspect that in both China and Japan the power similar to Europe and the US lies deep in secret societies that go back to Babylon. A guy by the name of Albert Pike, an iluminanti/spiritaulist type person wrote a book in which he predicted that big things will begin from Korea and nuclear threat.
The US have been playing their games with them over nuclear
power since Clintons early days.
Some believe they have nuclear warheads from Pakistan and as the world knows they sell missiles off the shelf, so given that Pakistan is a puppet state of the US ( for selective disemination of nuclear weapons?) and the US propoganda war about nuclear power stations its all another pack of lies like Iraq. We could call it loading the board for a check-mate.
Asians like China and Japan will have a different concept of time than the West.
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Posted 15 February 2004 - 12:48 PM

Bader; I don
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Posted 15 February 2004 - 06:12 PM

WE can expect the same results as in Britain. Few people get to the top that are clean and so they dont get the sensitive jobs.
All the good and sensitive jobs go to "the boys".
The Presidents wont serve their country.
It will be a whitewash again as the Iraq intelligence one will be.
Pike's book was more of a plan than prophecy and Zbig may be well familiar with it.
Have you ever seen any article written about financial loses on
Sept 11 given that the twin towers supposed to represent the
cornerstone of capitalism? One would think the perpetrators would have tried to make it hurt. Given the speculative economy dwarfs the real economy of the world, loose canons are its
perhaps greatest risk. There is no evidence there are any great risks for all the talk about terrorism.
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Posted 15 February 2004 - 07:46 PM

>>>Few people get to the top that are clean and so they dont get the sensitive jobs.<<<

NO people get to the top that are clean. All must be able to be black-mailed.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 03:54 AM

I was thinking of elected representatives actually so I would agree with you Pliny, the good ones amongst them, few, wouldn't get promoted too far.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 06:49 AM

The whole game of poilitics is a snakepit and only the slimiest reach the top. Anyone with a conscience does not usually continue on once they understand the game.
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Posted 16 February 2004 - 01:20 PM

Bader; <<<I was reading about the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh where microlending has made more than $4 billion tiny loans to the poor.
The guru says that if the poor have the same access to credit as the rich they would thrive, they are quite capable of looking after themselves. That is under a honest and socially just system.
Then there wouldnt be the tax loads on the worker and the business people or as much state social policy. I stick to my claim Marx knew where the money system would lead to inspite of it being the engine of capitalism. He wasnt sponsored by the poor
but a rich man who would have been a friend of bankers.>>>


Bader; You are celebrate Muslim approach, because Bangladesh experiment would be considered as act of charity what is ordered in Muslim religion. Marx haven
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 01:08 AM

I read today funny article;
"Afghan war: victory or defeat?" - Andrei Mikhailovhttp://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/351/12069_afghanistan.html; intercepts ;
....We could not provide a definite answer as to why the USSR decided to deploy all 100 000 troops in 1979
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 07:52 AM

Howdy Woj:
Marx's role was to help build the state/lawmaker that the
International Bankers would use to centrally control nations
as a primary step to world centralised "democracy". A communist state isnt necessary anymore things have advanced so much.

Debt is what has driven the so called free world into global regimes - informal global govt. Whic is why as I have said on several occasions Marx never exposed the banking fraud that
robbed the masses. He was another leader just like Kissinger etc.

Kerry Jewish? Dont think I have come across that. Its an Irish name and he looks Irish. Historically speaking there was quite a strong flow of Shephardic Jews from the Mediteranean into Spain and from there to Ireland. I believe a lot of Irish know of their
"Spanish" connections. Some consider that the bellicose nature of the Irish is due to the mixtuire of Middle Eastern blood, not just Jewish, with the native Irish.

If I share Tony Blair (respelt B.Liar) vantage point I am as disappointed as you.
I dont recall asking why the Russians bothered with Afghanistan,
but given it is on its boarder it is more their sphere of influence naturally (GEORGIA MORE SO).
We have been over this ground before. The game is played from above nations and govts and since democracy is democricy
(hypocricy) the Leaders will get away with murder because
the public dont know what to do about it and too busy getting by.
You cant use the propoganda and lies about Iraq to paint the British public anymore than the Polish
who have troops in Iraq. The propoganda and lies didnt come from a coniving imperialistic grass roots of any country including the US.
Its the likes of Rhodes and later the Rochefellers who formed the likes of the Business Round Table, The Trilateral Commission etc etc and employ the likes of Kissinger, Brzezinsky etc etc to plan and move the pieces on the chessboard.
Thanks for the list of resourses of Afghanistan. These havent been published by the media nor those of the former Jugolslavia.
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 11:55 AM

Bader; Rumors were right;Read this;
<<<HORNI BENESOV, Czech Republic - American presidential politics don't normally cause much of a stir in this far-flung corner of the Czech Republic. But revelations that John Kerry (news - web sites)'s grandfather was born here have mesmerized the mountain town. Suddenly, Horni Benesov's 2,400 people can't get enough of the Democratic front-runner's quest for the White House or his Czech ancestor, an ethnic German Jew who fled rising anti-Semitism for America's shores at the turn of the last century.
If the Massachusetts senator clinches his party's nomination, Mayor Josef Klech is ready to offer Kerry a more obscure post
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 01:36 PM

Bader ;<< is why as I have said on several occasions Marx never exposed the banking fraud that
robbed the masses. He was another leader just like Kissinger etc.>>

I think that Marx program, annihilates capitalism and it include also banks. His program calls for revolution and demise of all forms of capitalism.

,,,Thanks for the list of recourses of Afghanistan. These haven
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 03:08 PM

Should gay marriage be a significant issue in the US presidential campaigns ?http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=wsjvoices&tid=3102&vote=2&submit=Vote

Yes (28%)
No (72%)

Democrats will no make fire from artificial wood. It smells too spurious.
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 04:46 AM

Howdy Woj:

The world knows Marx set out to annihilate capitalism, yeah like it knows Bush set out to destroy weapons of mass destruction.
The power base of capitalism is the banking system, this is the
the essence of what I am saying, he knew how the banking system worked, today people gather from all over the world to protest at the damage the IMF etc does to peoples. If Marx was against the banker/capitalist he would have exposed their fraudulent scheme, revolutionised society by forming a honest
system. He didnt on two scores- 1, he was working for the bankers hegelian dialectic divide and rule, secondly to reform the money system to a just one meant the little people whom he
pretended to champion would have been empowered. He didnt want that anymore than the Capitalists. He was as phoney as Bush. Why else is he held with respect in all the universities in the west as much as the east. When you understand the money system it stands out like dogs proverbials.

Muhammad Yunus founder of the Grameen Bank knows from experience that people dont need a state dictatorship nor a bank dictatorship on their backs, just soveriegn right of access to
the peoples credit/money.
Marx and the Rothchilds are the two sides of the same coin- a millstone around peoples necks. When they both work together in the west by taxes and interest its a dubble wammy.

Referring to resources, I meant the standard news not a govt website.

Gay marriages is a red herring. Bush needs as many as possible.

Further on Kerry, checkout website - barrychamish.com
Kerry is the top news item.
Chamish raises the issue of these people who acting innocent about their Jewish background as Kerry has. Kerry's grandparent were prominant business people in Prague.
He also mentioned Madeleine Albright also just happened to not know/forgot she was Jewish although she was raised by relatives
in a Jewish home in London, and then went on to say "if you dont feel like voting for Kerry, there is Wesley Clark waiting in the wings, uncannily he is also a CFR member who discovered his father was Jewish while he was burning Bosnia to ashes.
Now howcome no matter what you choose, you get a CFR half Jew who forgot all about it.
The answer is to be found in the Sabbatean (also shabbataian or similar spelling) policy of having their Jewish apostat followers converted and hiding their roots and beliefs."
Chamish is an Israeli.
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 05:44 AM

I think when Rockefeller read Marx he thought to himself, "What a wonderful way to eliminate all my competition!"

Is not the graduated tax system, adopted by all western nations,
not out of the "Communist Manifesto"? It's function is the redistribution of wealth, of course, after all legislation is in place to protect the wealth of those that know what is best for us all.
Taxation is only for the common citizen, n'est ce pas?

Rockefeller has done more than any individual to bring socialism to the west. Education, medicine, taxation, welfare, he had his finger in every walk of life but mainly introduced it through the humanities and education.

Ever read Brock Chisholm's address to the UN in the late forties?
He was President of the WFMH (World Federation of Mental Health) at the time. He states that, "One of the aims of psychiatry (he obviously was one) is the eradication of the concept of right and wrong among the populace for it is psychiatry that must decide and lead." Not an exact quote but that is the gist of it.

It is becoming a reality. Our justice system and sense of morals has deteriorated grossly over the last five decades since that address.

What better way to hide the source of the spread of madness than through those entrusted with the sanity of the populace.
They are owned, as well, by the bankers who enjoy keeping the global populace in turmoil and a state of confusion. What better way to pronounce leadership in a rudderless civilization.

Astounding, ay what?
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 06:44 AM

I think I have seen that particular quote from Chisholm before.
Capturing scientists, academics, economists etc is no different from capturing politicians. Basically the rewards are much the same- power, prestege and financial rewards.

The Protocols are a whole bunch of such tactics to debass
cultures and nations and in any public discussion the contents
are always ignored by the pointless debate about who wrote them which then gets jumped on as anti-semitism a common way to stamp out free speach on facts/truth. Yet anyone reading them can see that they are being followed just as people often refer to the Communist Manifesto when ever some new development in the west that smacks of it comes about. Who cares who wrote the Communist Manifesto either. Just like who cares who made the aircraft that crashed into the South Tower
the important thing is who was behind its use and who allowed it to succeed and who covered it up and why for all three. The authors are long dead but the policies are very much alive.
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 04:03 PM

Bader;
I don
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Posted 18 February 2004 - 04:31 PM

Pliny; Ever read Brock Chisholm's address to the UN in the late forties?
He was President of the WFMH (World Federation of Mental Health) at the time. He states that, "One of the aims of psychiatry " is the eradication of the concept of right and wrong among the populace for it is psychiatry that must decide and lead."
It was paraphrase of Christian; Purpose justifies the means or Bush
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 03:17 AM

Hi all
I've been working hard...for the Lion--literally, the hotel I work (through an agency) for has a lion for symbol, but he ain't that bad.;)

Anyways I'm also into relaxing and kayaking, though even those activities always turn into new brushes with the lion. I just launched a new campaign today called, "Biscayne Bay: Playground or Dumpground?" It's about the terrible littering and danger of power boats that turn the simple pleasures of life into unpleasant or dangerous activities. The hungry stupid lion is everywhere.:confused:

<Donq; ?The little animals are truly free when they have their own well , but no one will build it for them, but themselves...
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 03:23 AM

Going back to the last subject--the one that was censored--here's an interesting look into the subject...

Tony Blair and Iraq: a public tragedy
David Marquand

The Hutton report reveals the crisis of the British model of governance. Tony Blair and the BBC alike have fed the public realm
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#2020 Bader

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Posted 19 February 2004 - 07:02 AM

WoJ:
If Marx dreamed of economic freedom then that adds to my argument. He should have been a monetary reformer then. Then he would have been ignored by universities.
The bankers funded the revolution which swept away the socialist govt the Russians put into power. Lenin and a bunch of cohorts were moved through Germany during war on a sealed
train to get into Russia, a remarkable incident, but most of the first govt were New York Jews. Only big money can do that in a war they owned and operated.
I cant agree Marx was a lost money cause. Those who gain most significantly were the Zionists for Israel and also the same bankers who reaped big through the industrial-military-complex
over the cold war. Then of course the structural gain from the
dialectic struggle of East v West which is well advanced in
particular with a ring of military bases across the Middle East and Central Eurasia and the land-bridgehead in Iraq - towards capturing the Caspian/Middle East oil, not to mention the new world order and the central control of nations and economies throguh the IMF etc.

Your comment about my free speach...to myself was priceless.
You are right in as much as what it takes to be heard in a way that effects a lot of people. Money buys a lot of people who make
the system almost bulletproof. People are conditioned by repetition and the power of persuasion which journalists are more skillful at than politicians. In the public just as in politics if you are on the outside of the established thinking etc
you will get no coverage or exposure or future. Mushrooms kept in the dark cannt compete with tree growth in the limelight.
Perhaps Dean didnt do something illegal or the like. If he had created skelliton in a cupboard he would have been controllable.
Since he didnt he was useless to the rulers, perhaps.
Clintons Chronicles, a video, shows how Bill got a lot of funds and power to mount his launch into the Whitehouse. Bush's win was based on scandles so I have wondered if the Whitehouse race is actually a gauntlet contestants runs and the most daring, devious, machiavellian will be rewarded with the top job. Bit like
earning a patch in a city gang. Or in DonQ's language just the law of the jungle.
"(I) hate communism and the role banks in capitalism"
That translates that I support capitalism outside the banks. I
oppose Communism principly because of ideology. Cetralised power corrupts both in communism and centralised capitalist banking and oppresses the general public. Thus both communist and capitalist govts have failed the people whom they should be serving.
As DonQ posted way back- the difference between communism and capitalism is that in communism man exploits man and in capitalism its the other way round.
I support free enterpise and democracy both of which are hated by the communist and the capitalist, like criminals hate law and order.
How could capitalism exist without capital (money). No modern society can function without money. Money is not the problem its the finance/banking system that has usurped the sovereignty
of people in society to create their own money so they dont go into debt renting figures on paper and becoming the slave to the
lender of figures on paper. its just as bad for the state to hold this power to exploit its citizens as private corporations or shall we say capitalism.
How would I fulfill my dream of economic freedom- cancell the
banking charters that grant the banks the power to create the nations money. They can still lend any existing money they own and manage peoples accounts, savings etc which is an important service but not to create money out of thin air and charge interest when the credit that made the money possible is the assets and income of the accountholder not the banks desks and computers. Had Marx gone down this track he wouldnt have had a sponsor so he could work full time on it and no one to sponsor any book he wanted to publish. Free speach would have fallen on deaf and ignorant ears in the main who wouldnt have understood what he was trying to say because the majority believe all money lent by banks comes from savings thanks to bank propoganda repeated by politicians and the media. He could have started a small movement and had he actually started to make an impact he would have been
targeted to try and be made look a fool and if necessary illiminated which I think he would have known.

Illiminating the concepts of right and wrong is an old battle,
principly against christian values. The Liberal-left, New Age
religion/thinking, humanism all have this in common.
The new world religion the Rockefellers are reportedly developing and the Pope seeks to head will be based on that, so no one is
right and no one wrong. Its also part of the sexual revolution that says any form of sex is not right or wrong - at the moment its homosexualism, one can assume other deviant choices will follow in time.
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