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#2061 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 02:40 AM

WWIII very soon?
"SQUEEZING THE BALLOON"
Washington sees Africa as potentially fertile recruiting and training ground for terror networks.

"They are going to look for a place where they can do the same thing they did in Afghanistan, Iraq or other places. They need a haven to train, equip, organize, recruit," Wald said.

"As you squeeze the balloon and move them, they are migrating toward Africa." U.S. military experts are in Mali training troops to tighten border controls on the southern fringe of the Sahara desert.

The United States is also helping Mauritania, Niger and Chad -- all of which border the Sahara -- to combat security threats, and Wald said the U.S. would carry out training in Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
http://www.reuters.c...storyID=4463076
Yesterday US informed that Americans work on death threaten viruses in Atlanta - to prevent death threatening viruses.
I think it brought different respond than it was intent.
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Posted 01 March 2004 - 03:15 AM

Near Stolac on 27 February rescue teams have recovered the burned bodies of Macedonian President Boris Trajkovski and eight other people whose plane crashed the previous morning.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Washington on 26 February that Trajkovski "was a great friend of the United States," http://www.rferl.org...sline/4-see.asp

Look like no big loss for Slavs then.
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Posted 01 March 2004 - 01:30 PM

"forgiveness, courage, faith, friendship"
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Posted 01 March 2004 - 10:01 PM

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 07:34 AM

Woj, what other religious leaders other than Christian, to be nonselective, condemned the invasions/wars against Jugoslavia and Iraq? They are hard to find even in Islamic countries.
Then there is the same question to be applied to political leaders
around the world, which applies more to them than religious people. What country leaders publically condemned it.
We know where the UN stands (on top of all the dead as well)
so it might be too much to expect any sizable organised
group to speak out.
Next its the media.
I noticed in the World Future Initative that Christians were blamed for the world financial and debt problems of the planet.
Perhaps McRothschild was a Presbetarian.
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Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:13 PM

Bader; You are right; Orthodox church did what It could to stop US invasion on Yugoslavia and Their members begged Pope for help. But As Constantinople didn
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 02:29 PM

After powerful Grob post ;************** FBI Director:
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 06:39 PM

Howdy Woj:
I suggested some time back the war in Jugloslavia was also about destroying the Serb Orthodox Church. War shatterers
culture and society and scatters people so their values and social institutions are changed and are easier the change by new money. THis is why the Lucifarians wanted three world wars to
prepare world dictatorship. The Vat. has always claimed world
crown, they will head the new world religion, under the queen of heaven (ancient Babylon) whom they have coruppted Mary into.
Their moto is "ever the same", yet it wasnt until 1952 they
declared Mary Queen of Heaven, totally blasphemous. Ever the same has to apply to Babylon.

Zbbig Brzezinski is chairman of the bipartisan coalition (ACPC)
of distinguished Americans dedicated to promoting a peaceful end the the war in Chechnia! Soros might be investing there as well.
Whats this a funding front to carry on the war against Russia?
Yet he planned the US invasion of that part of the world to set up bases all over the place to capture the gas and oil.
I would have thought the Chechnians so blind.
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 06:47 PM

Meaningful questions from
http://english.pravd...Milosevic.html.

Were the deaths in this war the result of a determination to destroy the Croats and Muslims or were they the unplanned result of the desire to protect Serb communities in this region, given the ferocity of the attacks against Serbs by Croats and Muslims, backed by external influences, including the West?

Did Carla del Ponte have the right to publicly declare that Slobodan Milosevic was guilty before the trial began?


To date, the prosecution has presented hearsay and gossip, no insider evidence as to Milosevic
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 07:15 PM

Sarin Nerve Agent Leaks From Ala. Bunker

ANNISTON, Ala. - A trace amount of sarin nerve agent leaked from a weapons storage bunker at Anniston Army Depot, but no one was injured. Tons of munitions are stored in dirt-covered, concrete igloos at the depot 50 miles east of Birmingham.
Since 1982, the Army has found 897 leaking chemical weapons in storage at the depot
http://story.news.ya...l_weapons_leak_

Alabama is most black people state in US.
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 10:41 PM

The Big Lion can accept cooperation from the small lions (cooperation in hunting, then handing out the scraps) but never competition (the others disputing the prey).

Small lions--from Libya to Pakistan to Iraq--have learned their lesson well...;)

American policy on nuclear proliferation towards both Pakistan and Israel has historically been driven by expediency. As these two nations, for different reasons, set about building nuclear weapons decades ago, the US chose to look the other way. While Pakistan fought America-s war-by-proxy against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the president of the United States certified year after year that Pakistan was not attempting to build a nuclear weapon v a move that, precisely, enabled Pakistan to keep building the bomb. But after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989, the US imposed sanctions on Pakistan and accused it of making the bomb.

Such expediency v to put it at its mildest v continues to guide US actions today. CIA director George J. Tenet claims that his agency had penetrated deep into the nuclear technology smuggling ring in recent years. This should not have been difficult, given Qadeer-s shameless advertising of his wares. But why then did the Americans not stop him?

If Tenet-s claim is correct, then the US knew v but did not attempt to stop v centrifuge and bomb designs from being further copied, and centrifuge parts being manufactured and distributed to other interested parties. In effect this has made the difficult job of containing the spread of nuclear weapons still harder. Such a role is itself a form of complicity in nuclear proliferation. It is not clear why the CIA chose to move so slowly and with such apparent indecision.

The more recent United States indulgence of General Musharraf has a clearer explanation. The Americans want Pakistan to help eliminate the al-Qaida and Taliban threat. Colin Powell-s statement that Pakistan has done ?quite a bit to roll up the (nuclear) network
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Posted 03 March 2004 - 11:13 PM

<Q: Do animals ever help each other out?
A: Many animals species have developed relationships with each other that benefit both species. Birds and mammal species love to eat the tasty fruits provided by trees. Even fish living in the Amazon River rely on fruits dropped from forest trees. In turn, the fruit trees depend upon these animals to eat their fruit, which helps them to spread their seeds to far-off parts of the forest.

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Rainforest (jungle) is a mesh of dependancies. A gibbon monkey pollinates 2 trees that are very tall and have fruit up in the canopy. These trees provide the monkey with fruits. They are dependant and cooperate. they do not compete. These 2 trees provide shade to the lower shade trees. Shade trees are trees that cannot stand hard sunlight. They need shade. Then there are many other types of vegetation dependancies (cooperations).

The survival of the fittest is usually seen most among predators. leopards, panthers, snakes. But they are also dependant on the surrounding. So there is both examples of "communism/socialism" and capitalism in the rainforest.

Which is more "leftist"? Jungle or Open African Savanah?

Jungle is alot more Leftist. Harsh African Savanah, with Lions and Antilopes, which you often see in Nature films is alot more "Capitalist". >

Hi ParadiseB,
Nothing wrong with your model of the real jungle as an example of cooperation, but the human jungle is much more mean. The real jungle is sustainable and it encourages competition as well as cooperation. It's survival of the fittest. The human jungle though has some lions that don't accept competition--everything for themselves. It's survival of the meanest and it's not sustainable.
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 12:16 AM

<The human jungle, hmmm. Survival of the meanest or greediest is not sustainable.

Some form of regulation is needed. Some for of competion too. I do not know the right proportions and I think that varies in time and place so a gov system where people can vote for all types of parties from far left to far right to environment parties is a good system. This freedom alows the people to find the right balance. More and more common in European countries today. But EU as a central gov might mess this up. I dont know either.

Regulations are needed to check:

- Corruption
- Excess greed over good
- Environment destruction (future generations foundation is environment) >

Howdy again, PB. True, regulation could do quite a bit but there may be a better, more 'natural' way...competition, eg...

A MIXED MODEL, that includes competition and cooperation, would create a healthy competition, and it would allow to satisfy the material and human needs of all. (In this way, the cooperative enterprises would be forced to become more efficient, while capitalist enterprises would be forced to become more humane; we would have much to learn from the Israeli kibbutz [non-profit cooperatives]; and from the industrial cooperatives of Mondragon, in the Basque Country [a "workers capitalism"].)

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<Note in nature the harsher conditions (less resources, deserts or cold) the more survival of the meanest you get. The more abundant the resources the more relaxed is the atmosphere. Gorillas laying around eating gras. Gorillas spend 50% of daytime snoozing.>

Is that why the little animals are always kept poor?

<Pure rainforest tribal people (not aware of money system) living in prime rainforest (very uncommon today) work 4 hours a week approx.

Most time spent is socializing playing games and telling stories.

Baby mortality rate is high, but this ensures that populations can live with abundant habitat for "endless" generations (until modern mans comesand deforests).


Future for humans will become harsh. MAD MAX type harsh because there are so many humans and oil is peaking. >

I know, it's becoming more and more a jungle, a 'human jungle,' I mean...survival of the meanest.

In reality we could learn quite a bit from those 'primitive people'... To start, we don't need to work more than 6 hours a day, and then have time to party, socialize, etc.:)
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 03:40 AM

The elements are harsh.

The nature of the jungle is cruel. It is only through the creation of control over these elements and through the creation of plenty that people can afford to be benevolent. Scarcity, more than any other factor, is what brings out the lion in people. Some are greedy which cannot be denied.

It is only through the creation of plenty (wealth) that benevolence is afforded the majority and higher standards of living can be attained.

One must not ask how the harsh realities of life can be eliminated for they will always be there. They can only be ameliorated by the creation and hard work of people who produce wealth. The capitalist system is the most productive and offers the individual the most incentive to excel.

I do not suggest that capitalism is a system of perfection but how are we to reach the stars if there are no dreamers of better futures and only restrictions on us to merely sustain ourselves.
The crushing of dreams will bring death to us as surely as neglect of our environment.
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 12:12 PM

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry,
Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
So I pose the question did Bush lie about Saddam's WMD?
and Al gore
and John Kerry
and Hillary and Bill Clinton
and Ted Kennedy
and Bob Graham
and Nancy Pelosi
ok say he did lie there satan....but isn't funny how you seem to leave all the rest of your list??
Did they invade Iraq under that pretext?
lol noo...but they sure seemed ready to.....
So I guess you blame Kerry too because he voted military intervention right?
Intercepts from; oops guess Clinton was wrong too
http://engforum.prav...?threadid=64403
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 01:41 PM

Bader; You are right ; Wolves in lambs clothing; Read

Donq; *******Small lions--from Libya to Pakistan to Iraq--have learned their lesson well. **********

Big lion has learned his lesson equally well , it pays for oil $36.

Not only Soroz is in Uzbekistan , but also our polish speaking President Kwasniewski visited Uzbekistan as well.
Maybe they build New Jerusalem there as symbol of respect for human rights and democracy.
Kwasniewski even didn
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 06:37 PM

Isnt that rich, the Hague International Caught cant prove Milosovic guilty so now thwy will hang him if he cant prove he's not. Milosovic should be able to walk.
That also justifies the Coalition remaining in Iraq. They didnt find the WMD they knew didnt exist but it still remains for the Iraqs to prove they didnt have them.

It would appear that these blatant interferences in Jugoslavia and the Middle East are to re-arrange the order and lines of
power by a process that will cause the world to demand a world govt to end it, in time so the new order can be made permanent
by the new govt.
Why else has it all been done so carelessly?
So how many more wars will it take before the world puts its head in the lions mouth?

Why does the track lead to Blair? Follow the money! Check out who funded millions behind his campaign.

Cooperation in nature. What about the cooperation between the carberator and the sparkplugs? Arent we getting a wee bit out
of it. No society/nation/tribe etc can function without simple
cooperation, even following traffic rules.

Capitalism is a sick cash-cow. We are denuding the planet, working ever longer at it to recieve a slipping standard of living
because of debt, the cashcow of an elite.
There is enough resources both technical and natural to meet everyones needs and work only a few hours a week and afford to enjoy the free time. Everything that points/says/looks to the contrary is a big LIE form the Lie-on.
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Posted 04 March 2004 - 09:48 PM

BOSNIA: 'YANKEE GO HOME'

Deutsche Welle's (DW) German Service broadcast a commentary on 29 February by its director, Verica Spasovska, who is a former director of DW's Bosnian Service. She argued that the United States should not maintain a military presence in Bosnia once the EU takes over there from SFOR at the end of the year, as the EU very much wants to do.


. It is clear message to the United States that the EU is not willing to accept parallel structures. This is because the increasingly unilateralist United States insists on retaining the privilege of hunting Islamic terrorists and war criminals in Bosnia even after there is a change in command" from NATO to the EU.

The broadcast concludes that "it is high time that the EU maintained order in the European house by itself."

The editorial argues that it would be an unwarranted "privilege" for the country that took the lead to end the Wars of the Yugoslav Succession to dare to want to remain in Bosnia to pursue terrorists and war criminals.

The EU military project thus appears as a first and essential step to the ultimate goal of ousting the U.S. presence not only from Bosnia but from all of Europe.
For example, Sulejman Tihic, the Muslim member of the Bosnian Presidency, has sought a continuing American military presence in Bosnia through bilateral agreements between Washington and Sarajevo as being in his country's national interest. http://www.rferl.org...sline/5-not.asp
Nice to see that Germans and Slavs , started to speak with one voice.
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:53 AM

<Capitalism is a sick cash-cow. We are denuding the planet, working ever longer at it to recieve a slipping standard of living
because of debt, the cashcow of an elite.
There is enough resources both technical and natural to meet everyones needs and work only a few hours a week and afford to enjoy the free time. Everything that points/says/looks to the contrary is a big LIE form the Lie-on.>

Howdy Bader
Lie-on doesn't accept competition because he's a hungry stupid beast. This is the only chance he's got though. Evolution is the only way out...

EVOLVE OR ELSE!

Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the Americanus Raptor--the biggest dinosaur of them all--and asked: "Why you always have to protect the right of the dinosaurs, who do nothing but eat everything in their path? Why don't the little animals get a fair share of this world?" Then the dinosaur, who had a bad temper, replied: "Bigger is better, so get lost..."

The Little Ant, then, gathered the whole cooperative and said: "Comrades, our world is being threatened by the dinosaurs, so..." And at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a big ball of fire, destroying all but the small animals...

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 05:18 AM

Howdy DonQ:
The prophet Daniel said that s stone shaped without hands
(outside human involvement) wouls strike the Babylon Image of the Lion Empire at ita feet and ten toes and destroy it. The feet is the end of the image/time/this age.

Woj:
its interesting how the US can appear to be anti-muslim on the one hand and yet working in with them in "Jugoslavia". I expect Chechnia is the reason.
They have to do to the Russian sphere of influence what they did to Jugoslavia.
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