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#2081 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:23 PM

Dong****One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the Americanus Raptor--the biggest dinosaur of them all--and asked: "Why you always have to protect the right of the dinosaurs, who do nothing but eat everything in their path?*******
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Posted 05 March 2004 - 02:59 PM

Bader;

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 06:00 PM

Woj: Albania is pro-China, they wont want to be enticed into
the mess NATO made of Jugoslavia, if it got involved with Kosovo
it would inherit another Ireland. The internal division there wont go away for generations. After all the factional tensions throughout the area, they had to create another one.
But perhaps the Bosnian holiday issue shows signs of people
growing past their home differences because of outside
interference and the damage done. They are all too small
economically to stand with any sovereignty, who knows maybe they might start to work together as a commonwealth and look to
soldidarity with other slavs in the region. One thing is likely to unit them is the continuing presence of foreign occupying forces,they might start to compare it to the nineteen forties. And so they should.

Iraq and Lybia learnt a lesson.
What lesson was that?
I think you said that DonQ.
Thats the propoganda line to justify the use of force.
The lesson is that you dont know who you can trust, especially the ones who arm you.
The Lybian story isnt being told. They arent scared, well its a lot more than that. Their WMD programme is merely theoretical, they havent actually started yet, the other half of the story which the west wont publish is that it was in exchange for Israel doing the same. Makes it a totally different kettle of fish. He should have known they would use it for spin and he loose face, but his focus is now on Africa, he wants to be Father to Africa so a man of peace image is probably what he also intended.
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 11:18 AM

Should Uzbekistan and whole world to be the an open public restroom for US?

According to a December decree, foreign groups operating in Uzbekistan must provide information about their employees and the sources of their financing.(surprise, surprise) Uzbek authorities gave the 90 or so foreign groups operating in the country until the end of this month to meet the new requirements . Rachel Denber, acting director of the Europe and Central Asia division of the New York-based organization Human Rights Watch, worries. She said the new restrictions are quite intrusive.(ha, ha ha) . Conducting activities autonomously is a core feature of a truly open civil society.". Two noted international organizations -- the Brussels-based International Crisis Group and the London-based Institute for War and Peace Reporting -- have previously been denied registration in the country. http://www.rferl.org...sline/5-not.asp

I think that these so called foreign NGOS should be kick out for good from the country as a fulfillment of democracy. Yes? NO?

Albania not only benefits from China but also she is a victim of pyramid scheme of Western investors. Albania might also see that accusation against the Milosevic for not opening federal school with Albanian language is funny, because US doesn
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Posted 06 March 2004 - 11:36 AM

Is world safer place after US invaded Iraq?

WASHINGTON - A majority of people living in the two countries bordering the US and in five major European countries say they think the war in Iraq increased the threat of terrorism in the world.

The AP polls were conducted by Ipsos, an international polling firm, in Britain, Canada, France, Italy, Germany, Mexico, Spain and the United States.
http://engforum.prav...?threadid=64605

Atossa; Poland, Hungary and Czech joined NATO in March 1999...
that same month... 12 days later.... NATO attacked Serbia !! http://engforum.prav...?threadid=64393


"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."
-- Justice Louis Brandeis, 1913

GADDOCK, you citizens rule over your president, you citizens put him in office you can impeach him, if he alows spooks to stage bombings around the world, then the worls will continue to "hate" USA.

- Citizens of USA can demand that to stop
- Citizens of USA can demand USA to get out of other countries

You dont even have to get rid of BUSH, just demand BUSH pulls back of terrorist stagers. Get out!

If you cant demand anything of your president that means USA citizens have zero freedom of USA:
an actions ParadiseBirds
http://engforum.prav...?threadid=64401 Personally I dont give a hoot who you "put in office".

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#2086 Bader

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Posted 06 March 2004 - 11:58 PM

Yes.
For criminals.
The first Gulf war was probably more a turning point than the second one. Sometimes Polls seem to be a tool witting or unwitting because of the false impression-inference.
That poll would have been more revevant a year ago when Bush was shuffling his arguments to justify going. It ignores the
previous war against Afghanistan as though it didnt happen, same about the mystery Sept 11.
Secondly focusing on the US is a bit one-eyed although understandable. The twelve years of genocidal sanctions against
Iraqi civilians, children in partcular by the UN is just as bad, in fact now the worlds knows the issue of WMD was bull since 1991
Bush has done the UN a major service of playing a red herring,
exonerating the UNs crimes against humanity while doing the damge completely that the sanction couldnt do.
Not only should Bush, Clinton and Blair be where Milosovic is
instead, but also the UN President and the leaders of the Permanent Security Council members of the nineties.

To top the hypocricy, UN Inspector chief Blix says that the war on Iraq was illegal because only the Security Council can dictate war not individual states. So The Coalition has done far more and have far greater WMD than Hussein, but what will they do about it. Nothing because the main players are on the Security Council
and conflict of interest doesnt exist in UN deliberations just as democracy. The Un is no longer and accident looking for a place to happen it is entrenched and depends on the likes of Bush and Blair to introduce its final acceptance as world controller.

Those human rights issues we discussed recentlyand the subtle
incorporation of the UN policy into US law, I discovered that the UN gives these freedom of speach rights etc but then later down the act defines it as excluding criticising the UN, thus it would have to be a crime to enforce it. Meaning ultimately anyone anywhere in the world can be plucked and in secret if necessary
and encaserated in a Guatanarmu Bay type retirement village
and no protection from a member govt.

So the world is going to get a whole lot safer.

NGOs like terrorist cells can be created as tools by and for anyone. THey are a means of achieving goals that would otherwise could not be done in the time restrainst thorugh the normal channels in society as we understand it. Ask George Soros. In a world of speculation of such magitude as he and others who made him that could buy and sell him with their spare change, a stable and unchanging world cannot keep up with the debt demands, because the blackhole of debt threatens to swallow the creators of the blackhole along with everything else.
The real economies of the world are but a small percent of the
the whole game, the greater the demand from the digital
economy to feed the blackhole means increasing movement in
price, values and possesion way above normal life.
So national force and espionage have to be tools within the game and not possible to function outside it should anyone such as perhaps Hussein or alternatively doesnt cooperate and thus become a block as Milosovic probably was have to be moved
by what ever means necessary within time frames.
Thus they are making a fortune as the reshape the world over the bodies of mainly civilians. Gone are the days when it was almost only soldiers on eitherside.

This has already started to develop more sufisticated, with the rise of the cooperation between the corporate and national govt
military forces (fascism) which really is the next step above what Wall St had developed with the Third Reich and Moscow-USSR.
Checkout:
http://www.69.28.73..../corporate.html

Corporate military forces in Iraq are second largest to US.
With the US paying peanuts all those young Mexicans etc who
have been recruited for rewards of greencards, after being trained at US taxpayers expense will be good recruiting resources for the mates of the likes of the corporate oil cabal now rulling in the white house, serving corporate and Zionist goals,
who have funded private corporate armies, just like they fund NGOs. Consider also the likes of Patriot Act11 in which the public can be snooped on and arrested in secret no charge, no rights,
unknown to family what the corporate dimension of this could be.
Who would know if non-govt organisations or govt organisation
have blood on their hands or who were the enemies of the people
and freedom. No one could confirm or deny anything about anything. It will be see no evil, think no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil.
We can expect new hights of tyrany the Third Reich and the Soviet Union never dreamed of.
And Kerry may have the honour of introducing the world to this nightmare.
http://www.joevialls...nfo/kosher.html
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 01:09 PM

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Posted 07 March 2004 - 06:34 PM

Thats is precisely the theme.

Be damm glad we have world govt!!!!!!
Be glad order will come out of chaos.
Bush has killed more people than Hussein, but who cares about that, Bush smiles more.
I expect some would have said back in the forties in Europe the same- be damm glad its the Germans and not the communists/
Russians.
They all come by way of deceipt, money,backroom manipulation or if that isnt possible by fear or force (revolution) all negative
and criminal and never by free popular choice.

Both Bush and Kerry are from the same stables which makes it
open and obvious now to the US people that the same promoter owns both fighters in the ring and they are the mugs that go along with the show and get fleeced.
But they wont wake up inspite of numerous websites blowing the whistle because the Promoter has woven the culture through holywood and the media and delusions of affluence. As we have already discussed it, the majority have no stomach or appertite for real information. While their minds are asleep, even after the Sept 11 wake up call, their bodies are being used for money and war. A big whorehouse on the praire.
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Posted 07 March 2004 - 07:17 PM

>>>NGOs like terrorist cells can be created as tools by and for anyone.<<<

Probably, and it only means printing up a few fiat currency tokens to create a terrorist cell.

The cost of a few pennies.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 01:46 AM

Bader; ********the majority have no stomach or appertite for real information. While their minds are asleep********New Mexico's Richardson Says No to Kerry's VP Job

http://www.reuters.c...storyID=4513220

it means Kerry is not with clothes on, candidate for every democrat .

Amazing How Fast Wounds of a Bear Market Can Heal: The Nasdaq Composite Index, that once-proud 4200 points is still 2047 points. Ha, ha ha.

"As far as we're concerned, we've been entirely successful. Our objective has been achieved. That tyrant Saddam is gone, and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important."
In Chalabi's own words
http://www.washtimes...15614-3297r.htm

Americans consider themselves nation of individuals; they are more happy to be silly together than to be wise alone.
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Pliny; What is source of terrorism in your opinion?
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 04:53 AM

>>>Pliny; What is source of terrorism in your opinion?<<<

Gosh! Someone asked for my opinion! Gee!

The source of terrorism is poisoned minds and the inability to differentiate between opinion and fact plus a lack of ability to spot evil (ultimately a problem of education). There is only one other contributing factor and that is injustice - injustice can generally be dealt with by restoring justice. If justice does not resolve the problem there are probably unrevealed third party interests at the source of it. Lies and opinion must be replaced with truth and fact, and evil and unrevealed purposes must be routed out - these last usually stem from third party interests.

So often the real source of a conflict is not recorded in history because it is not known at all and is consciously hidden from any scrutiny by those recording the events of time. Those that foment chaos for their own gain are not likely to reveal themselves as players in a conflict. As an example, I would not expect it to be a wise business decision by an arms manufacturer to reveal themselves as the instigators in an armed conflict, I would expect their actions to be clandestine.

Charlotte Iserbyte has recorded from the inside the trail of a deliberate intent to dumb-down the citizenry of the US through education. You will not see that in the mainstream review of history. One - because the intent is evil, and few believe that evil could stem from those at the helm of our nation's future generation. Two - because opinion is mistaken for fact - the opinion being from the behavioral "sciences". And three - the bald faced lies and omissions about results.

In a nutshell, that's it. People are very rational, for the most part, when they are dealing with and come to know each other. They are honest, respectful, reliable and have many other good attributes they display when they are treated with same.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 06:31 AM

Chalabi, he's the crooked banker wanted in Jordan isnt he, the same who was the source of the false informations that was sold
as reliable for the justification to go to war in Iraq.
I expect he will be paid well with juicy fargments left by the Jackles.
What was said before doesnt matter, nor the actions based on it because Bush and Blair will never have to account for it, their
pupeteers got what they wanted alright.
What was said before was not important now, but critical then, since what he said was the "evidence" that outbid what the CIA had. What happened before matters now even less- the deaths,
perhaps over a million as some claim, the young generation dying on their feet from depleted uranium. Little hope for their future unless they prostitute themselves to a Fascist bodgy state
fronting the Corporate pirates.
Actually has anyone done the stats on the bodgy govts/ tin Hitlers the US have put into power, regarding how long they last?
I think most of them get flushed down the toilet after a while.

Richardson Woj may be one of the few good ones.

Regarding education in the US, one of the objectives of over-running or coercing govts into change to "democracy" and "freedom" etc is to change the education systems as it is rated as a major cause of "training" (thats the word used) terrorists, so abviously people who are able to think for themselves are potential terrorists.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 07:25 AM

Pliny, if you have time check out

http://www.worldvisi...topic.php?t=160

Anyone looking for good news try:

http://www.rumormill...cogi?read=45210

scalar weapons and the insane.

regarding the controversy over whether Kelly commited suicide or was murdered, both could be right.
He may have been the victim of an energetics weapon.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 01:06 PM

Bader;********** Actually has anyone done the stats on the bodgy govts/ tin Hitlers the US have put into power, regarding how long they last?
I think most of them get flushed down the toilet after a while.**********


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Posted 08 March 2004 - 02:31 PM

Recently most funny post; by The Beat to Raffphi ;
****The good news is, the same thing. Hopefully, they will eventually see that fighting the entire world is counterproductive, and that only in fighting diseases, poverty, corruption and abuse can we truly improve the world. Fighting individuals, regardless of their real or perceived evil, is counterproductive.
We didn't want to fight the Iraqi people. That was never the reason. We never thought the people of Iraq were basically bad. We thought one person was bad, Saddam Hussein. We thought that his evil had spread to others in his organization (that's how they stayed alive, go figure). But we were basically fighting one evil person, Saddam Hussein..........
http://engforum.prav...?threadid=50579

Now Saddam but before; Taliban, Milosevic, and Ho Chi Minh and Mao tse tung and Lukaszenko, Castro,
and Indonesia,
and Equador,
and Nicaragua,
and Nepal, and
Venezuela, and
Bolivia and
Brazil
Chile,
Gwatemala
Congo,
Cambodza,
El Salvador,
Panama,
Honduras,
and Korea, and Haiti. I think story with Haiti is the funniest . Aristide was set with using Polish force on Haiti and then
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 05:11 PM

March 8, 2004, congratulations on International Women's Day!
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 06:24 PM

>>>Pliny; Can be acquaintance and familiarity the substitution for justice?<<<

Can aquaintance and familiarity be a substitution for justice?

No. Never a substitution. They may mitigate the necessity for intervention by justice. Agreements, contracts, wrongdoings, injustice can generally be sorted out by the individuals involved if trust has not been breached. The breach of trust is what increases the necessity for the intervention of justice, or minimally, is the reason for the abrupt severing of a relationship.

The word "friend" in the dictionary means, "one you know,like and trust." Someone you know and like but do not trust is not a friend until trust is gained. Caution on matters of importance is always a consideration in the absence of trust. This is what makes corporate lawyers important to business and contracts so filled with legalese.

I may be accused of being simplistic in my views but it is one of my contentions that things are over-complicated.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 07:03 PM

Also a good policy to simplify. Things are getting more complicated
which means more interpretation from Journalists who are already
not telling it like it is.
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Posted 08 March 2004 - 09:11 PM

Pliny; Trust demands an equality, equivalence .
Could be trust between chicken and fox? No.
When all nations will be protected by WMD, trust between nations will improve !
Would US attack Iraq if it had WMD ? US feeling of insecurity grows with proportionality to the weakness of its opponents...
Wars are not making world safer but balance of powers, it may. . . . :P
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Posted 09 March 2004 - 04:17 AM

Trust demands a mutual understanding. You can trust the fox to eat the chicken.

I do not believe the American people want a war nor are they Imperialistic. Their federal government obviously has interests beyond the protection of the nation. The terrorist attack of 911 should have been prevented.
I do not believe it was a failure of security. If it was a failure then the agencies responsible for security should have been dismantled or minimally there should have been a full house-cleaning. None of this occurred. Instead, the citizenry was held to task, further victimizing them and bringing big brother a little closer. It is obvious that purposes other than security underlie the governments actions.

I don't really know what to say about WMDs. They certainly instill a sense of insecurity in all of us. I will have to give it more thought, but my immediate concept is that government needs to return some of the ability of the people to protect themselves and there is no reason for a government to attack another nation in this day and age. Defense may be necessary, but aggression isn't. It is very destabilizing for people to have a constant threat over their heads but that is intended.
F. Bastiat said,"If goods do not move across borders - armies will." I think oil and money are the goods that brought the army to Iraq and Afghanistan and WMDs are an excuse for aggression.
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