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#2141 Bader

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 01:28 AM

Howdy Pliny:

What one does with information and how one clasifies it varies from one to another.

What you have said is similar to the "conspiracy theory"
disposition which the mainstream media has also kept out of the public view and ridiculed immediately. That doesn twork anymore
since Sept 11 and the lies about Iraq etc.
Journalists know they are the ones looking niaive to use that line.
The demonic dimension involvement in the same is also still held
by many to be a form of paranoia as the former was.
Yet besides the synbolism as large as corporate brands/names
there is the fact that it is the dominant culture in regards children and young people today. Harry Potter is but one, that is full of this culture, hidden out in the open and parents in the main dont have a clue.
Our generation are obsolete, we will die off and take our
unenlightened views with us. The new world is for new people, a new generation.
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#2142 Pliny

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 01:29 AM

Is the Spanish Socialist victory a vote for socialism or a vote against war? It probably has more to do with the latter.
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#2143 Pliny

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 01:45 AM

>>>there is the fact that it is the dominant culture in regards children and young people today. <<<

When I was growing up it was Superman and King Arthur with Merlin the Magician. Let's not confuse fantasy with reality. There is always the imagination of the supernatural. Simply hooking it in with elitism and global domination seems to me to be ludicrous.

I do not out and out reject the concept because truth can be stranger than fiction and invalidating any point of view would exclude the discovery of possibly valid information.

The new world is for the next generation but it is created for them by this generation. They need the tools (read education) to carry forward, not what was built before, but what can be built without the mistakes of the past for the next generation.
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Posted 15 March 2004 - 09:22 AM

I agree Pliny we need to seperate reality from fantasy.
Until the computer became fairly sufisticated everyone held the fantasy view that Stonehenge was some primative caveman
place of human sacrific.
It took the computer to decode that it was a simple computer
of seasons and the position of heavenly bodies in relation to seasons. We didnt have the brains to work it out.
Where did knowledge come from? Who could possible have surveyed the landscape and set the stones in the right place.
The Great pyramid? Just artform. The myths and legends, the dress of Pharoah and other leading figures, The gods of Greece
etc contemporary to the great philosophers/thinkers we look up to, history and knowledge unaccounted for and before its time,
all fanatsy or pure chance or relating to something unexplainable.
Where did Pythagerus and others get their knowledge.
Is it the poor and unemployed who socially climb via freemasonry
and fantacy to become pillars of society or the professionals, business people and well to-do, usually well educated and intelligent, some of whom have made it quite clear regards their beliefs that Jesus is the badguy and Satan the goodguy.
They are conscious of a powerful knowledge once known that man has fallen away from and are re-seeking it.
The occult and paraphysical have supposedly been researched
by govt s for military advantage.
Then there is the paraphysical UFOs many think are just fantasy
until they see it for themselves.
Its in the lyrics of pop music.
Harry Potter is full of hardcore spiritualist knowledge and concepts, so if the writer isnt a witch of some depth it only makes it all the more spooky.
Its signature is on events in numerology- involving numbers and dates linked to the spiritualists calender. When those who have been witches and wizards and come out of it interpret the news
in terms of these, fact is stranger than fiction.
One of those such persons "saw" the twin towers event a couple of weeks before while on a harbour cruze in NY.
In the west and ex/communist countries it would certainly sound absurd because of our education and conditioning. Life is principly material and about today. But in much of other parts of the world people arent so naive and sceptical.
Here's two sites that I have recently found that link the money power with the Lucifarian dimension:

http://www.barryCham...glish/Kelly.htm

http://www.Rense.com...eral49/prot.htm

I expect that the knowledge of how to farm humans came from this non-human source.
The next generation will be given a chip. The chip, not money, will provide what the system has for those with the chip. Any other understanding or knowledge not related to the system might as well be fanatacy.
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#2145 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 02:04 PM

Pliny; It is only fantasy that that US can win war on terrorism by technology. Only freedom and justice can stop terrorists victory. :)
How Iraqui people can, if not by only the terrorism to clean Iraq from occupation forces?
As long US is on Iraqi terrain , US war on terrorism is laughable fantasy. :)

Culture is mirror of time, I don
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#2146 Pliny

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 03:34 PM

Bader

I see. You are probably more right than even you realize. Truths about man's origin, existence and evolution have been hidden from most of us.

Woj - the bible's use, the Koran, the Talmud, in my opinion, are tools of control to awe the common man and make him think he is unworthy. Thus he will bow down to the priests and punish himself for his evil, wrapping himself in his own chains.

Bader is right there is a spiritual aspect to man. The elite do know and are hiding information that should be available to all. The bizarreness of the secrets makes it easy to hide. People will just not believe the truth.

Freedom and justice are probably the tools to stop terrorism, as you say. That is why the whole Iraq war is so bizarre. How can a modern leader of today think that force is a valid instrument to obtain goals?

The world sinks in fantasy, you say- true. As long as it continues on a materialistic path and kills the human spirit.
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Posted 15 March 2004 - 05:24 PM

Capture the oil!
Oil breeds terrorism so it must be captured and refined just as
they intend to capture peoples not conforming and re-educate them.

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela has threatened to freeze oil
exports to the US and wage war against the US for a 100 years if they invade Venezuela as they have Haiti. He accused the US of
ousting Aristide from Haiti, who likewise has accused the US of the same.
Meantime Zimbarwe have seized a cargoplane which had a false declaration and found 64 mercenaries of various nations and military gear, of unknown originand destination.
Equatorial Guinea has also captured a group of the same. It is believed that the first group was to assasinate the president and the second come in and effect a "coup", and they came from/via South Africa.
E Guinea just happens to be rich in oil.
The new president of Haiti is calling for the US to play a broader role in establishing peace to pave the way for UN forces and there you have it as in Iraq. The US doing the dirty work and the good guys of the UN inherit it and stay squeeky clean.

Some magazine a year ago published an article reviewing a book by a mamber of the US Naval War College, in which it reveals that the Pentagon has the world divided into two regions- the functioning core, those who have opened up to free market global forces and those who havent- the non functioning gap.
There is a map that goes with it. South Africa and Israel are isolated functioning core countries. The gap countries are/were
Jugoslavia and the whole of Islam and Nth Korea, and all of Sth America except Brazil and Argintina.
Clinton sorted Jugoslavia out and Bush is well into Islam.

Canada may yet pass a law that will clasify parts of the Bible as hate literature Woj, so you might have soemthing to cellebrate soon,
and the writing is on the wall for monotheism and in particular
Christians if they remain specific (fundamental/ right and wrong)about their beliefs. They are to be re-educated like the Muslims.
You cant boo what the left had does and cheer what the right hand does. Thats worse than fantasy.
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#2148 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 06:34 PM

Pliny; ************Bader is right there is a spiritual aspect to man. The elite do know and are hiding information that should be available to all. The bizarreness of the secrets makes it easy to hide. People will just not believe the truth.

Are you secrecy of the power and blocking of information calling a of spiritual aspect to man?


************Freedom and justice are probably the tools to stop terrorism, as you say. That is why the whole Iraq war is so bizarre. How can a modern leader of today think that force is a valid instrument to obtain goals?********
It is easy question; stopping of terrorism is a goal but smaller caliper, and it is associated with more important target , victory in run for grabbing resources.

**********The world sinks in fantasy, you say- true. As long as it continues on a materialistic path and kills the human spirit*********
Do you think that suicide attacks kills the human spirits?

Bader ; ************You cant boo what the left had does and cheer what the right hand does. Thats worse than fantasy*********

Slavs leave in the world on which Churchill had some input
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#2149 Pliny

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Posted 16 March 2004 - 04:53 AM

Woj
>>>Are you secrecy of the power and blocking of information calling a of spiritual aspect to man? <<<

If I understand this correctly - No.

>>>Do you think that suicide attacks kills the human spirits? <<<

If done out of hatred, yes. But to harbour that hatred is already diminishing.

>>>who is not with Slavs is against Slavs, and we take appropriate measure.<<<

Then you approve of Bush's actions?

Bader,

Interesting post and one I agree with. One problem. Re-education of people "conforming" would be a grander task today.
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#2150 Bader

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Posted 16 March 2004 - 07:11 AM

This is the common ground between the US National Defense
Strategy which is the policy being fulfilled by the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the UN, I believe they are really one and the same policy but the UN cant be seen doing what Bush has been doing until it has the authority which the nations/peoples cant go back on- meaning the fangs etc appear
like small print later.
I wasnt talking about absolute conformity, it only takes a majority
to conform, even a large minority supported by the press and the main parties will carry ther day easily.

The Barry Chamish address I gave was wrong, sorry about that I
misprinted Kelly for Kerry, but there is no direct route on my computer/server system but just going to BarryChamnish.com
and clicking on the English version will bring up the Kerry article
which is still top item on the front page.
I referred to it a week or two ago, but he links the money and the Illuminati both arrising from Frankfurt.
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Posted 16 March 2004 - 03:23 PM

Pliny/Bader; ****Then you approve of Bush's actions?***

I am not good Christian, so I would never try to prevent Bush from suicide mission.
But I don
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Posted 16 March 2004 - 04:33 PM

Which presidential candidate has more credibility on the issue of national security?
George Bush 66%

John Kerry 34%

http://discussions.w...3125&submit=Vot

Is in US country of democracy?
So why US doesn't set minimum frequency to validate an election like for example in Yugoslavia or Russia, or even in Iraq during Saddam Hussain?
Why election doesn't takie place in the day free from work?
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#2153 Bader

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Posted 16 March 2004 - 09:43 PM

One would think that those who have made the biggest issue out
of Nazi excesses would be the one to blow the whistle on anything that smacks of the same, yet they are the ones who are trying to control thinking and speaking/publishing.
One can only ashume they have the most skellitons in their cupboard that they want to be so untouchable and beyond question.
It is good to see that members of their own society are increasingly waking up and speaking out, perhaps thats why they appear to be a hurry. Once their laws are in place everywhere
it will be the disident Jews who will cop it.
A classic example of the two faced strategy was the opposition to
Mel Gibsons movie, that it would insite anti-semitism and persecution of Jews, (in a materialistic society where about ten percent practice religion.) The fact is in Jewish classic literature
all refereences to the crucifiction of Jesus plainly states they were
responsible and gladdly so they hated him so much and no way would they give any credit to the gentile Romans.
The name they gave Jesus is Yeshu, which gullible Christains probably think is the Hebrew version of Jesus. It is the highest of insults, means "may his name and memory be wiped out". That is anti semitic. If a Christian leader today said may Jews and their name be wiped out it would be world headline news and condemned globally. So what gives here?
Tens of thousands of Jews were crucified by the Romans, to their disgust, yet why would the leaders allow another Jew to be crucified if they didnt despise him, instead of stoning him under their own custom? Pilot put it to them to do so but the pushed him into a corner to get the crucifiction.
Now they are working to ban the new testament records as hate literature. Well it is certain it does contain evidence of hate.

The propoganda against Russia looks to be on the increase with the new showing Putin casting his vote and the narration about the alleged trend to be more conservative and tending towards
the past.
At least the people did elect him, which the US cant brag about.
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Posted 17 March 2004 - 03:46 AM

re: Book Burning

When you think that evil must wear the sheepskin of good lest it be trampled out of existence it explains a lot. Who is saying others are evil the loudest? They have the most skeletons in the closet.
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#2155 Bader

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 05:54 AM

(probably spelt the name wrong)
It could be a quite an exercise to "burn" the net.
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Posted 17 March 2004 - 03:07 PM

Bader; Burning some part of Bible might revive Christianity for awhile, but religion where one is executed by crucifixion to save the humanity for the sin of proliferation the first humans will fade away
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Posted 17 March 2004 - 04:57 PM

Yesterday, in Poland, during police interrogation , woman lost her pregnancy. Before she was 2 time unconscious during questioning. Poland is democratic country so nobody criticized this situation, no democratic president Kwasniewski, no church, no human rights organization; Poland is no Byelorussia, nobody cares
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#2158 Pliny

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 05:59 PM

Here is an interesting article and website.

Is this the reason for the war in Iraq?

www.trinicenter.com/oops/iraqeuro.html
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#2159 Bader

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 06:06 PM

Howdy Woj:

Thats an old one- Jesus was communist, inspied a communist community. Has always been a popular summary of non-religious persons who probably have never read the New Testament, but
got the idea from a book which had a quote or two to support it.
Christianity and communism are a common as chalk and cheeze,
an organism and an organization.

If some crackpot inbred Emperor decides a certain community are
treasonous and must be punished, to bad. I think you are right non one has been persectuted as much as Christians and it wouldnt supprise me if they are blamed for the abuse of the west
and its hogging the planets resourses as the World Future Council Initiative does.
The same reason Christians have been attacked is their seeming
seperateness in belief, which is why monotheism is deemed to be not convenient for the future because three religions are out of step with the majority with many gods and thus a threat for world peace, a condition that may sporn terrorism- which is just an excuse to do "book burning", re-educating and the like in world govt.
Everyone in subjection/expendable for the world govt is the
principle of communism, global communism. Lenin called it
centralized democracy.
It is very clear Pilot the Roman Governor had not interest in Jesus,
in fact he probably was quite a mused that he went around teaching a totally diferent version of the scriptures which the
religious heirachy hated him for, just as Luther become a thorn in the rump of the Holy See for exposing scritpures that showed
what the Church taught was lies and suppression like a giant cult.

Sovereignty in Iraq: yes US sovereignty or perhaps more correctly zionist sovereingty.

The Honduras are going to pull out with Spain.

If you saw the photo of the train in Spain, from the air the shape of the blow-out is exactly the same shape as the Oklahoma
building which was officially was supposed to have been blown in.
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Posted 17 March 2004 - 11:01 PM

Hi all
Yeah, no more jungle. Just as promised, I left the Deep Jungle behind and headed toward Paradise. The fact of that rough police woman (in the incident with the homeless guy) having me pinned down, residence, plate number and all, wasn't very comfy. And the everyday bruises with the lion didn't help it either.

So I headed to this little place where you breathe freedom. Actually you can do many things that make your life worth living. Safety in the streets, freedom to enjoy the quiet of nature at night, no noticeable littering, people in bicycles and electric cars, a sense of community (the logo of the police is "to defend Paradise";))... Sure enough there are problems, and the homeless--again!--is the worst of them. But nobody talks of having them work, just of pushing them out. We need to address that problem once we come out of the jungle.

Lastly I want to comment on Spain. The Spanish people have said "no more lion," and that should be the best strategy of defense against both lions and violent monkeys. A "no lion" strategy should be sufficient to make no one target you.

NO LION NO PROBLEM!
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