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#2641 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 30 April 2004 - 11:49 AM

Bader; ***But when the dam bursts the flood will be the same.***
Prediction for the future might be done by the metallurgical test; characteristic test for material are test where material is subjected the force and elongated. An elongation is proportionally to applied force and characteristic data for material. Next point following plastic limit is material start breaking . This moment is very crucial for material characteristic. It helps to make prediction for condition of curb and material failure; and successful or not performance of airplanes
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 01:00 PM

Countries With Muslim Minority Populations ;
_ THAILAND: Muslims comprise about 5 percent, or 3.1 million of Thailand's population of 62 million. _
INDIA: The country's 150 million Muslims
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 01:48 PM

<Fortunately as Eastern Island proved, the oppressed finally rose revolt and the leading followers of giants of Easter Island were removed from earth and the great statues were deliberately toppled from their stone. As long human beings are not dogs , the plastic limit finishes with breaking point.>

But unfortunetely, the revolt came too late, trees were gone, any chance for recovery was gone.

It's the same thing nowadays. We are losing resources beyond repair and risking war. If it doesn't come in the next 5 years forget it. Perhaps it should be a "Five-Year Plan"...;)
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 02:21 PM

OK guys, this is the plan to get rid of the Lion...;)

First, DON'T FEED THE LION. The Lion lives off you, whether through taxes or parking tickets. Try to expend as little money as possible. You can have the GOOD LIFE without wasting money. Try, for example, picnicking instead of restaurants, etc.

And the following strategy I adopt from the traditional nonviolent approach...

Nonviolence-s Three Main Components
Nonviolence has three main components: 1) Personal Transformation, 2) Cooperation in Constructive Efforts, and 3) Noncooperation in Destructive Efforts. Again, each of these three components are integrated and cannot be separated without harming the principles of Nonviolence and Truth.

1. Personal Transformation
A Nonviolent person must constantly work on their own personal transformation, "becoming the change we wish to see" in society. If we want society to become more kind, loving, compassionate, Nonviolent, and just, then we must first focus on making ourselves this way. By taking on this responsibility, we gain the right and moral foundation to suggest changes in our society because we have done the work to personally transform ourselves. This component of Nonviolence is the basic foundation on which each of the other two components are based. Without individual changes, a society made up of individuals will not change. We simply cannot expect everyone else to do all the changing without changing ourselves.

2. Cooperation with Constructive Efforts
A Nonviolent person must cooperate with constructive efforts to make the world a better place. In other words, a Nonviolent person must do good deeds for the uplift of society and the realization of justice for all.

3. Noncooperation in Destructive Efforts
A Nonviolent person must noncooperate with destructive or unjust efforts. Just as we all have an obligation to do good, we also have an obligation to refuse to participate in evil or unjust systems or acts. This component of Nonviolence includes things such as civil disobedience and noncooperation when necessary. However, these acts must be undertaken only after careful consideration and with proper discipline. One should have thoroughly implemented the other components of Nonviolence prior to or at the same time as they initiate civil disobedience and/or noncooperation. Also, one should not participate in civil disobedience or noncooperation without providing viable alternatives.

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5. Focus on Justice, Not Charity
A Nonviolent person must focus on justice, not charity. While there is no doubt that charity in this society is necessary, but we must not stop with charity alone or we will always be dealing with the symptoms of injustice not the root cause of it. Justice seeks to transform unjust social structures that create the need for charity and to address the root cause of the four great evils and their associated social ills. A Nonviolent person should know that:

JUSTICE is about what people inherently deserve and that CHARITY is about the "giver
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 04:02 PM

Donq;* We are losing resources beyond repair and risking war*
zhurnalist; *why I am a communist*


Communism in its program has idea of international brotherhood. It is impossible today. First some have to pay their bills for their crimes against humanity. Yes, No?

As long US citizens support US imperialism war , idea of elimination of resources for everybody is far more pleasant than resources for elites and chosen nations. . These who used depleted uranium to kill the peoples in Yugoslavia , Afghanistan or Iraq, have no right to voice any opinion on environmental issues.
It is much nicer idea today to join everybody down, than to see tremendous inequalities of life.
WWIII is no more a threat but a chance for freedom and resurrection of nations. .
And this is theme of the music today
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 06:15 PM

A Soyuz space capsule made a "bull's eye" landing in the steppes of Kazakhstan early on Friday, bringing a Russian, a U.S. astronaut and a Dutchman back to Earth from the International Space Stationhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20040430/sc_nm/space_russia_dcA
Why on Politics?
Because it is not on front page of Western news ha, ha ha. :)
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 12:52 AM

Bring colony the freedom;
it was *music and light Malta
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 03:36 AM

>>>Focus on Justice, Not Charity<<<

Charity must concern itself with compassion. Justice need not.

I have one thing to say about justice and that is that when criminality becomes a major concern of society, as a whole, then justice is not being done and justice itself is corrupted.

I think I will add that to my signature.
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 10:41 AM

Today my favorite; "Any forces that would impose their will on other nations will certainly face defeat," said Vo Nguyen Giap, the legendary general whose strategies wore out the French colonial regime and then the U.S. Army.
Giap is 92 now, the last of Vietnam's giants in a 30-year war to shake off colonial rule and unite the country under communism. What brought him to a rare meeting with journalists was two landmark anniversaries: The fall of Saigon on April 30, 1975, and the defeat of French colonial forces at the epic siege of Dien Bien Phu, 50 years ago next Friday.
With critics of the Iraq war likening it to America's Vietnam experience, Giap's opinion was eagerly sought, "All nations fighting for their legitimate interests and sovereignty will surely win."
Giap emphasized the powers of today shouldn't underestimate weaker countries' desire for independence.
Vietnam "proves that if a nation is determined to stand up, it is very strong,"
Giap had no military background or training when Ho Chi Minh chose him to command the Viet Minh army. A history professor and one-time journalist, he had joined the struggle against French colonial rule at age 14. His wife had died in a French prison.
But his gut instincts and natural talent were proven during the pivotal battle at the border outpost of Dien Bien Phu.
Giap's Chinese advisers told him to strike hard and fast, but he opted for slow, steady ambushes and the unexpected
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 11:10 AM

>>>Focus on Justice, Not Charity<<<
Charity must concern itself with compassion. Justice need not.


Justice removes need for charity. Charity is when ones steals bread and offers humble pieces to stop the hungry from fight for his own.
Identical situation is with compromise. Charity and compromise are sons of the same filth; desired to help thieves to keep stolen goods. They are the buffer and shock absorber of the first and main impact of the victim who wants fight back.
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 12:16 PM

When Larani doesn
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 03:04 PM

Assuming that Polish citizens are idiots;
in Polish TV all day around is going UN propaganda setting Ireland as a example for Poland as a way to follow.
It favors benefits for foreign corporations and not a word that Ireland doesn
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 07:32 PM

Just memory from father Bush or Reagan ?
With US backing, Panama seceded from Colombia in 1903 and promptly signed a treaty with the US allowing for the construction of a canal and US sovereignty over a strip of land on either side of the structure (the Panama Canal Zone). The Panama Canal was built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1904 and 1914. On 7 September 1977, an agreement was signed for the complete transfer of the Canal from the US to Panama by the end of 1999. Certain portions of the Zone and increasing responsibility over the Canal were turned over in the intervening years. With US help, dictator Manuel NORIEGA was deposed in 1989. The entire Panama Canal, the area supporting the Canal, and remaining US military bases were turned over to Panama by or on 31 December 1999. http://www.odci.gov/...ok/geos/pm.html
Manuel NORIEGA party is in Panama power.
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 09:28 PM

The Lion is well fed by those lieutenants below who in turn exploit
the sleepwalkers and myopic greedy pigs who control the minority who are awake.
The system ensures the Lion is well fed, we dont have to directly
feed it.
We are not only not dogs but not metalurgical beings, and the skill of the Lion is to stretch (the human plastic) to the point short of breaking. What point is there in a paracite killing the host and
die along with it? Obviously control of thinking/information is crucial as the rate of humans dying un-naturally increases around the planet, so they dont revolt.
In ancient history the number of slaves one could command was directly related to the power one had in relation to rivals. With
technology the number doesnt need to be very great, in fact to clear whole regions of humans is what is planned in the name of
protecting the natural world.
Take for example the Iraqi war. This feeds the Lions lieutenants.
People think that withdrawing the troops will effect justice.
Similarly admitting Bush and Blair lied is passed off as justice.
Both are charity to the Lieutenants. Why, because justice demands that the lackies of the Lieutenants eg Bush and Blair
should be where Milisovic is, the US and UK in particular if not all the other supporting nations in the Coalition should be facing
a huge reparation bill which would stretch into the furture at least a decade paying billions to restore Iraq. Then there is the DU which needs to be addressed, criminal use of WMD, add to that the criminality of the UN leaders who sanction such genocide
in Iraq, they have to join the others in The Hague. The UN will have to be totally reviewed and after that address those nations who repeatedly violate the resolutions of which Israel is the number one perpetrator.
Now what chance is there of any form of justice ever being voiced
in any country/ever being published if it does outside that country?
The masses feed on the mainstream media which are related to the global network of Lion Inc.
The responsibility is too enormous for the average person to face.
Thus only a minority will voice opposition.
Any global meeting now held anywhere is fenced off by thousands of police or military who were originally formed to protect the people not the Lion system.
Thousands of protesters turn up as cost both financially and sometimes physically. A seperate mob attend and use more
violent means to mis-represent the cause in the world news
which the sleepwalkers see and ingest- conditioning.
The only broad revolt we are likely to see is a dialectic construct by the Lion through a revival of socialist forces. The troops will go back and help restore some form of "normality" cementing the work already done in Iraq so the Lieutenants can get on with life
of making profits and "investing" further in the new world
reconstruction, a reform of the UN towards world govt which will
increase its rule at local levels in society.

When we stop visiting restraunts we hurt our fellow citizens not the Lion. When we stop being charitable we hurt the victims of the Lion not the Lion. As long as we dont show support for each other the Lion is more comfortable. The free market- survival of the fittest-everyman for himself has magnified that.
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#2655 Bader

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Posted 01 May 2004 - 10:11 PM

1. Personal transformation.

Good one DonQ.
THis is more important than Law. THis is building from the individual up not down from eg state bureaucracy to specify what is acceptable theoretically, so that cirizens become plastic people not real human citizens.
This is what I have argued previously - Lore not Law.
This is the crux of that snip about justice as interpreted from what Jesus said someone posted not long back about justice being first what we live/contribute (lore) not about what one demands from anyone else. If we do what is right and respectable within community justice will be part of everyday life. "Do unto others...." Etc.

2 and 3 Coop with constructive effort/ non-coop with destructive
effort naturally follow from the heart/belief/faith of the first step. Essenially it is part of the religious nature of man. But we can see
that as time goes on in the so called free world individuals are more and more locked in to cooperating with what we know is not right.

Unfortunately the writer then tended to interpret and teach
the reader how they should go about addressing the synptims of
this unhealthy life/world we live in.
If number one is the first step you dont instruct anyone else how to do the next steps, that is the way of the Law- external
control eg Soviet style.
He said "justice results from social STRUCTURES........charity ...
from goodwill.
Step one is goodwill- natural justice between neighbours respecting each other. Spontaneous and healthy, not plastic
conforming units subject to the carrot and the stick methods.
It is so common the see people mixing the two and not realising.
There needs to be mulit-choice coop life styles of community.
These addresses the fact society will not immediately all agree on what is correct social behaviour etc to effect step one. So a variety over time will develope commonalities and learn from each other while avoiding the "top down" authoritative approach and the increased madness of jungles of complex laws that already strangles sane natural living and making justice a lucrative game
more then about justice- which Pliny identifies also.
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 10:30 PM

>>>Here's an example. Before 1914 an American could pass through life without being especially aware of any branch of the national government but the post office. He could travel abroad or leave the country with no need of passport or permission. Immigrants arrived with little or no restriction but tests for infectious diseases and had to report to nobody once here. Tariffs were low and used for revenue only, not for reinforcing economic or foreign policy. The national government paid no attention to foreign currency exchanges and had almost no influence on the economy. No drugs were prohibited.

Most Americans today would view such freedoms as unusual, even potentially alarming. A move to restore them would be seen as dangerously radical. That's a massive ideological change.
....<<<

We have lost so much in such a short time.

Note my new quote in my signature on justice!
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 11:56 PM

Bader ; Accordingly to Aleksandr Oparin, the origin of life is from chemical matter. Oparin assumed that in result of sun nuclear explosions were free gases of single atoms . During period of lowering temperature the atoms of gases in result of chaotic behavior start to combine from simple organic and inorganic materials into complex organic compounds. The latter creates finally complex of DNA , extended to chains the Darwinian theory of evolution. :)

So chaotic behavior or chaos is base of life and foundation of cosmos and world. Charity is simply act of paying additional taxes to support status quo and freeing government from its responsibilities to fulfill obligation to society for which is responsible by collecting taxes . :)
This way government can spend money on their favorite wars, foundations , democracy institutions and other frivolities leaded by their useful and powerful individuals. :)

In opposite situation desperate individuals to stop the hunger will steal, rob or kill and go to prison on cost of taxpayers money. :(
Using theory of wave prolongation situation will lead to social chaos . And chaos is foundation of new way of thinking and the new world. Seeing sea of chaos taxpayer might start to think that is better to spend money to create jobs instead of sending the jobs overseas and spending money for correction institutions and security. :)
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 07:29 AM

Howdy Woj.

The Chinese own the panama canal these days is what I understood.

Oparin: the origin of life is chemical.
The origin of chemicals is....?

One would expect in the age of the computer chip and energy pulses that there had to be a "programme" to cause order
since man has long taken for granted the birth of every baby
that started from a couple of cells uniting.
I can picture hundreds of thousands of scientists around the world conducting research using finite measurements and multitudinous experiments and someone thinks a bulk happenstnce of mindlessness set in train the complex well know as the universe and all life forms within.
We discussed order out of chaos recently. Its the NWO. I said to DonQ the Lion also intrudes into education and universities to
maintain his culture.
"Chaos is foundation of new way of thinking and the new world."
This is why you earlier said it was good if everyone was brought down to zero so then things could be done anew. But what I dont understand Woj is why you object when it happens to Jugoslavia and Iraq.
If you accept belief systems you have to accept the fruit.
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 11:17 AM

Bader; ***Oparin: the origin of life is chemical.
The origin of chemicals is....? *********
Origin n might be even immaterial, higher spirit genesis, but this is no matter of importance; effects are don
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 11:19 PM

Pliny; *No drugs were prohibited.*
US attitude to drug as long it is limited to US doesn
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