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#2681 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:11 AM

Donq; War on NONVIOLENCE
Wasn
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:22 AM

I know poppy seed cakes are nice beyond that I can only apply a sense of humour Woj.
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:29 AM

Yes and no.
Chaos can provide its best opportunity for fast change and more power, eg revolution, war, depression.
Truth can bring order out of chaos of misinformation, propoganda
disinformation, half truths, lies and confusion.
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:43 AM

Donq; NONVIOLENCE WORKS!

*the solidarity movement in Poland*;

*the solidarity movement in Poland*; It is the most successful CIA
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:56 AM

*Anything to add? *

Value of democracy.
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 12:23 PM

< Did I miss that ?? http://www.dissident.../Landes0413.htm >

Howdy Harry
I submitted my stories of the Law of the Jungle to the publications above. Let's see. Thanks...;)
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 12:32 PM

< Walesa in TV about these times says;
*The most important was to make quick decision; when company says it is not going to pay striking workers, I says; I am going to pay double wages the workers participating in strike. *
From where these money were from, when Solidarity accounts government blocked?
I saw this interview my own eyes. :confused:

And more; I read prescription in W.P. how to handle Iran. Advice was that the way as Poland; through students, money through businessmen etc.

Annything to add?>

I see your point, most activists see a lion, maybe two or three at the most, but never see them all, particularly the really powerful ones. If they did, who would pay for their campaign?:confused:

Solution? Turn to the ultimate and legitimate source of power: the Proles...;)

When we say NO LION NO PROBLEM though, we mean ALL and we mean the "puppeteer," the "guy behind the curtains" himself...;)
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 01:21 PM

Donq;
I miss your point in ;
*Solution? Turn to the ultimate and legitimate source of power: the Proles...
When we say NO LION NO PROBLEM though, we mean ALL and we mean the "puppeteer," the "guy behind the curtains" himself*

I say that Polish true wish was to remove Russians soldiers from Polish ground , but not to put American foot on Eastern Europe. It was not outcome what Solidarity hoped so. I don
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 03:03 PM

Bader; *Power likes order
Yes and no.
Chaos can provide its best opportunity for fast change and more power, eg revolution, war, depression.*

Power before final attack instigates chaos; for example the US sanctions on Poland during marshal law,
sanctions on Yugoslavia,
sanction on Iraq,
sanction on Syria or Cuba and so on.
Therefore we know that US didn
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:13 PM

Howdy Woj:
as from next year a whole range of natural medicinal products will be banned from the UE so only perscription drugs through doctors will be legal. Such is the nature of open free market.
Pure fascism.
Doesnt surprise me Poland was denied the benefit of its natural assets to be dependant.
I was going to say a few days ago Walsea put his head in the Lions mouth. I would agree he was used by the CIA and the Vatican, thats where the funding would have come from. I dont believe he was so naive. He is one of many, they are everywhere. He may end up in a global senate yet as a reward.

WHat were the sanctions under the Marshall Plan (you used the word LAW)? The whole of eastern Europe was sold out after liberating them from the Nazi, by Roosevelt. The elections were rigged and they just turned a blind eye as in the 1956 Hungarian
uprising.

I expect the UE to be just just a bigger Soviet entity in the making. The ban on cheap access to healthly products is just the start of what we become a little red ridinghood experience-
grandma what big eyes you have... big ears...big teeth.
Russia can become number one by just staying put while the rest go to hell on earth. I'll bet the fine print says the eastern countries cant withdraw from the UE- the new old Roman Empire.
See how important Walsea and a Polish Pope was to the Lion.
Same in Sth America- Liberation Theology to take over the Left
on the demise of the USSR, and today there is the appearance of the US also loosing its power there as Castro puts on a more kindly face just like China. Are we about to see Uncle Sam fall sideways like the USSR- a great leveling out for the world govt?
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:24 PM

Checkout the above WOJ.
I have only just found it, looks very interesting.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:41 AM

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 03:10 AM

<I say that Polish true wish was to remove Russians soldiers from Polish ground , but not to put American foot on Eastern Europe. It was not outcome what Solidarity hoped so. I don-t even say that Walesa was a traitor , he agreed to be helped, don-t judging the side effects.>

Absolutely true. It remains to be seen what his opinion is nowadays...

< Taliban and Al- quida are the wiser men.:)>

This is what I consider the wise way, which is the one Bader and I propose...;)

An Open Letter to Osama bin Laden
By William A. Cook

Would it not make more sense to bring all the nations together that are victims of this world-wide industrial revolution with its concomitant abuses inflicted on the poor of the world to stand against the trans-nationals? Why after three major industrial revolutions in England, Europe, and America do we stand by and let the trans-nationals tell us that these "underdeveloped" countries must endure the heartache, deprivation, poverty, disease, pollution, dangers, and uncertainties of the industrial revolutions just as England, Europe, and America had to? Haven't we in the "developed" west put legislation in place to protect our workers, to protect our futures, to protect our natural resources and the environment? Why deny that protection to the new industrial nations? Why pay pennies per hour to workers? Why offer no health protection? Why pollute their streams and cast smog over their people and the land? Why allow these corporations to create hatred for America for profit? Can't all of those who abhor this exploitation, Mexicans, Americans, Indonesians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, and those in Bangladesh gather together to present to the UN, to the whole world, the disparity that is inflicted on our communities by those few who possess the wealth? This may take marching in the streets, it may take years to accomplish, but it will bring about a peaceful resolution to the issue not a continuation of the slaughter of the innocents.

http://www.jihadunsp...tter/index.html
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 03:20 AM

< The New York Observer noted that the book goes beyond rats alone to give people "a deeper understanding of both the history of New York City and the essence of mankind.":)
http://www.reuters.c...42&pageNumber=2 >

I always knew some people behaved like rats...;)

HOW THE RATS LEARNED TO FLOAT

Once upon a time, in the infancy of navigation, a few rats, who were always afraid of drowning, got together and had this dialogue: "We got to take advantage of the new invention. Have you realized how we could always keep afloat by riding the waves up and down?" said one. "That's true," added another, "from now on we will sail the seas north and south and east and west, under whatever flag."

It was an stormy day, though, that the boat took water, that the rats discovered the important lesson of navigation they are famous for: "Abandon ship!"

And that's how the rats learned the fine art of navigation in calm seas and turbulent waters, always ready to jump ship...
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:31 AM

An Open Letter to Osama bin Laden
By William A. Cook; Can't all of those who abhor this exploitation,
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:10 PM

William A Cook like so many can only see the synptoms not the causes and his suggestion to deal to the symptoms is the standard global approach- a recipe for world govt.
The Lion lines up the dots leading to where he want s people to go and they discover a row they can link and hey presto we have abreak through to the next level of the lion trap.
I challenge anyone to state which international bank or plundering global corporation is owned by any developed world state. Govts are under the control of the banks and many corporations have more debt then many countries. The borrower is servant of the lender. The UN was set up by the same boss.
So lets go to the Lion and ask him to fix things.
He is in fact patently waiting, as the pressure mounts as programmed.

Secondly Bin Laden as propoganda would have us to believe
( when will the real Bin Laden stand up so we can see a real person?) isnt a socialist crusader trying to address the social injustice of the world he is supposed to be a defender of Islam.
It should have been addressed to Mendala, and Castro, and Prodi, and Peres to name afew.

Cook talked about the few who possess the wealth. The nations he listed have/had their own resourses but their leaders everywhere sell their own people out and the west have to take the blame. We cant control our own leaders either. Oh he is rich therefore he must be thief. And he is poor therefore it must be someone else to blame- someone must have robbed him.
I remember an article by a American Negro who went to Africa to visit his roots, after a month of seeing bloated bodies floating down rivers and over water falls and the like he left in disgust and said he was glad his forebares were sold into slavery so he avoided being a victim of corrupt african politics. The only difference between the US and any run of the mill Africa state or
some banana republic in central or Sth America is size. It didnt start in history in the last couple of hundred year its human nature and as old as man and knows all skin colour and all cultures.
This the same all over again as the left v right, boss v worker, get everyone divided and blaming one another so the Lion can get a good nights sleep. Would we be that insecure if we stopped history repeating itself?

I cant find an argument with the alleged reply, I have already stated that Blair, Bush the UN leaders should be in the Hague behind bars. The full implications of the lies to invade Iraq goes right back to the start of the sanctions and the half million or more children ( a sample only) the UN killed through the US and Britain which Albright said was worth it. Annan might not have been in office then in 1990-1, it might have been Butros Butros-Gali. The Kuwaiti Royals were the willingparty to start the strategy to suck Hussein into a war. It might have been a US NeoCon plan for the Zionists, the multi-nationals and the Globalists but as all around the world the locals are the ones who open the door. But we should blame all the US citizens and all the other white developed country citizens.

Malasia said no to the IMF. They introduced a small financial
transaction tax that international spectulation is free of everywhere else thus not encouraging the plunder of its country, the outgoing President spoke up against the zionists which everyone else knows but pretends they dont. They minted a gold coin for trade to provide solid security. What are all the other leaders doing apart from acting like prostitutes?
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:33 PM

Bader; *WHat were the sanctions under the Marshall Plan (you used the word LAW)?
See how important Walesa and a Polish Pope was to the Lion.*

I mentioned Regan sanctions on Poland when gen. Jaruselski was in charge, during Solidarity movement. In results these sanctions, the small diabetes children had to use insulin which causing dying the muscles, Denmark refused delivery children medicines. ;) :D
You are correct ; the eastern countries cant withdraw from the UE
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 07:59 PM

Should Rumsfeld resign as secretary of defense?

Yes
4320 votes (51%)
No
4177 votes (49%)



http://discussions.w...inside_today_us
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Posted 08 May 2004 - 05:19 AM

Been busy on some other threads.

Bader:

You said:>>>They minted a gold coin for trade to provide solid security.<<<

Seems there is a use for gold?

That Cook guy sounds like a real socialist winner. Asking why third world countries don't have health care, decent paying jobs, etc. The usual socialist rant. The rich are hogging the wealth, blah, blah, blah.

On one level I can see it. Who needs all the material wealth individuals in the west possess in comparison to individuals in third world countries? This is a false comparison though. The perception is deceiving. The author assumes that life in the west is heaven and does not see the chains of consumerism. Perhaps happiness lies in the third world without the economic slavery of the west to pay for his healthcare, his taxes his social programs. If all were well he would pay for these himself as he chose.

The fact is that the third world is being given an opportunity for economic and political slavery through consumerism. Be it capitalism or communism, governments will never bring happiness.

Cook does not see happiness in people who are living in mud huts. Not having indoor plumbing and electricity are in his eyes horrific conditions. He sees lack of sanitation and disease in children who do not bathe every day. He does not see a way of life and it's evolvement but a terrible inequity in life and feelings of guilt because of his comfort.

He is either an idealist who does not believe death should be a necessary condition of life or a miscreant who would impose his will and concept of life upon everyone. Perhaps, he is a little of both.
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Posted 08 May 2004 - 10:44 AM

Bader;* The only difference between the US and any run of the mill Africa state or
some banana republic in central or Sth America is size.
I have already stated that Blair, Bush the UN leaders should be in the Hague behind bars. The full implications of the lies to invade Iraq goes right back to the start of the sanctions and the half million or more children ( a sample only) the UN killed through the US and Britain which Albright said was worth it. Annan might not have been in office then in 1990-1, it might have been Butros Butros-Gali. The Kuwaiti Royals were the willingparty to start the strategy to suck Hussein into a war. It might have been a US NeoCon plan for the Zionists, the multi-nationals and the Globalists but as all around the world the locals are the ones who open the door. But we should blame all the US citizens and all the other white developed country citizens.*

I call our true Polish saint
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