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#2781 donquijote

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Posted 15 May 2004 - 03:19 PM

<read the Panchatantra and Jataka tales which are old Indian story books that might give an answer to your question. >

Thanks Ant. I just browsed through it and it looks like my thing...:)

(I can see this Little Rabbit was smarter than the stupid Monkey who dressed like a lion in my story...)

The Big Lion and the Little Rabbit

Once upon a time, there lived a big lion in a jungle. Every day he hunted and killed many animals to satisfy his hunger. The animals were worried that one day none of them would be left alive. They all decided to go to the lion and find a solution to this problem.

When the lion saw all the animals approaching, he was very happy as he thought that he would not have to take the trouble to hunt. He could just kill all the animals together once and for all.

One of the animals stopped him and pleaded that he listen to what they had to say first. He went on to explain that as the lion was king of the jungle, and all the other animals were his subjects, the lion would not be a king at all if he killed all his subjects. He would have no one left to rule over. He suggested that if the lion stayed home, one animal would surrender itself each day as food for the lion. The lion agreed to this offer on the condition that if they ever failed to send him an animal, he would go on a killing spree and finish all of them off.

From then on, each day an animal was sent to the lion and the lion was pleased.

One day it was the turn of a little rabbit to sacrifice his life to provide food for the lion. This little one did not want to be the lion-s meal. He thought of a plan that would save his life as well as the lives of all the other animals in the jungle.

The rabbit slowly made his way to the lion-s den. The lion was pacing up and down, extremely hungry. He was furious when all he saw was a little rabbit. He wanted to kill all the animals in a rage. The rabbit timidly explained that the animals had actually sent him six rabbits, but five of them were killed and devoured by another lion.

The lion roared in anger. He wanted to know who this other lion was who dared to steal his food. The rabbit stuttered that it was a very big lion. He had warned the other lion not to eat him as his king would be very angry and definitely come to fight him. The rabbit went on to say that that the other lion had called His Majesty an impostor and had challenged him to prove who was actually the king of the jungle. The lion was furious. He asked the rabbit to take him to the other lion as he wanted to kill him.

The little rabbit led the lion to a well and told him that the other lion was in there. The lion peered into the well and saw his own reflection. He thought it was the other lion. He let out a huge roar which echoed back at him. He immediately jumped into the well to attack what he thought was the other lion. The lion dashed his head against the rocks and drowned.

The jubilant little rabbit returned to other animals to spread the good news.

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Posted 15 May 2004 - 04:04 PM

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Posted 15 May 2004 - 06:09 PM

>>>It is important to realize that it is not simply because the Soviet or Nazi leaders were particularly perverse men that they reached out to prevent or cripple science's drive for truth; but because such actions are inherent in the very nature of statism, and central planning. Power, and its promotion, advancement of the ideology of power, become the highest social goal, before which all truth, all integrity must give way.

Government control of science, government planning of science, is bound to result in the politicization of science, the substitute of political goals and political criteria for scientific ones.<<<

The above is indicative of reasons for the retardation of our development and evolvement of a civilized society.

We know why things evloved the way they did - A carefully crafted plan for global domination in all of man's affairs. The ills of society are mostly perpetrated upon us by the struggle of the elite to maintain their position. I think the largest struggle for them has been to remain as anonymous as possible as the designers of societal development. Personal attacks, discreditation, threats and even death is the lot of those who would ever expose them.

So Donq, get that lion over to the well.
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Posted 15 May 2004 - 06:38 PM

>>>It is important to realize that it is not simply because the Soviet or Nazi leaders were particularly perverse men that they reached out to prevent or cripple science's drive for truth; but because such actions are inherent in the very nature of statism, and central planning. Power, and its promotion, advancement of the ideology of power, become the highest social goal, before which all truth, all integrity must give way.

Government control of science, government planning of science, is bound to result in the politicization of science, the substitute of political goals and political criteria for scientific ones.<<<

<We know why things evloved the way they did - A carefully crafted plan for global domination in all of man's affairs. The ills of society are mostly perpetrated upon us by the struggle of the elite to maintain their position. I think the largest struggle for them has been to remain as anonymous as possible as the designers of societal development. Personal attacks, discreditation, threats and even death is the lot of those who would ever expose them.

So Donq, get that lion over to the well.>

You have just uncovered the lie-on. Only smart tactic is for campaign against lion, to be led, not by leader, but all the little animals pulling together. A couple of days ago, I overheard at lunchtime some coworker I had given the flyer to, explaining to all his friends how the jungle works--using all the jungle jargon and all.

The lion will realize he's up against all the little animals, and must give up. Similar to what happened in Eastern Europe, only that we don't mean to change a lion for another...;)

If the lion were to be real stupid, he could try something against nonviolent monkey, but it could only accelarate his own destruction. In reality the options for him are: be tamed or...:confused:
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Posted 15 May 2004 - 06:52 PM

Donq; *Anyways, anytime you feel frustrated over the war in Iraq, thank the kid...*

Yes, I feel frustrated about war on Iraq, but not as much as you think, because I know that Muslims will finally win.:)
First Golf war Americans won easy, because of help of 140 thousand ground Turkish troops. Now Turkish believe that American didn
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 01:36 AM

<Cossack mentioned the prediction, that world needs 8 years Bush presidency to set itself free.>

For the first time in history everybody around the world knows where the lion is. That we must credit to Bush...;)
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 08:33 AM

Woj: I thought it was common knowledge throughout the world that communism is state ownership not personal/private ownership. Shouldnt you coin a new phrase to represent what you believe instead of using one that means something else?

You are starting to sound like coops are the basis of your society.

You want every worker to have ownership in all employing businesses, yet you beleive these same masses arent up to having a say in society- politicaly I guess- while they are up to telling management how to run a industry!

Under the capitalist system the owners being not only owner
of their private business property have the education and expertise and experience you say the general public dont have
and thus disqualifies them to part of decision making in the nationas affairs but in the economy/industry these priveleged
ones suddenly are not so important.

Turkey only lost her empire. I believe its more important in what a govt means to its people not what it means to the world.
If European empires arent good what makes non-Euroipean ones above reproach?

Eight years of Bushit to be free of what? Sanity?

PLiny: I believe that state education (re science and underlying
theories etc) is manipulated and funded (result of power not truth) like economic and financial policy. That few private education establishments would be any different. What evidence I have seen of the capitulation of the universities to free market ideology which isnt limited to economics but transends much of the whole panarama of higher education because it is ideology
and nothing else, has shown me that it has nothing to do with
searching for truth as one might expect in science and social policy, health etc but about rewards and punishments to effect conformance to those who control power. I dont know of any earthly power greater than money.
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 08:39 AM

<I dont know of any earthly power greater than money.>

In Gold We Trust...;)
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 11:56 AM

Bader; *Under the capitalist system the owners being not only owner
of their private business property have the education and expertise and experience you say the general public dont have
and thus disqualifies them to part of decision making in the nationas affairs but in the economy/industry these priveleged
ones suddenly are not so important.*

Christianity reigns 2000 years so it improves its empire, it left inquisition and talks about God love. After 2000 years of communism it will also makes it perfect, but already communism made progress, like workers ownership of productive means, with excluding strategic for the country security industry. Capitalist ownership experience rather doesn
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 12:00 PM

Donq; *For the first time in history everybody around the world knows where the lion is. That we must credit to Bush... *
*<I dont know of any earthly power greater than money.>

In Gold We Trust... *

One might see contradiction.
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 12:09 PM

Pliny; Education should belong to the state on federal level, because state is uninterested in education. Education would be automatically free from manipulation. :)
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 11:30 PM

Donq; *For the first time in history everybody around the world knows where the lion is. That we must credit to Bush...*

What about prime minister Tony Blair from Labour Party , who reaches far above borders for close relation with Republican president Bush.
If English democrat follows Bush , what makes anybody think that democrat Kerry will not follow the Bush trail? :)
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:07 AM

The substitution of Christianity for capitalism is unfounded. Capitalism didnt start two thousand years ago, it is purely business and wasnt created by any church or church leaders
any more than govt or motorcars.
Jesus told Pilate the kingdom he represented wasnt of this world. Capitalism certainly is. The Pope claims to be Gods ruler of the world in absolute contradiction to the one whom he supposed to represent - Christ(-ianity)
The Vatican is a theocratic empire that transcends nations through its religious network. Even its not capitalism.
Anyone who claims to be a Marxist but does and teaches something else is not a Marxist. Labels mean nothing, the more so when transparently mis-applied.
The Talmudic Pharaseism of Jesus day was another theocracy of this world. Jesus did nothing against the Roman empire or its authority because its authority over the holyland was based on the state of the Jewish nation just as their capitivity and banishment previously and later the destruction of the Temple.
God cant fight himself and his law. But he overturned the money tables because the religious heirachy was exploiting the innocent
citizens who no doubt blamed the Romans for their standard of living.
The roots of both these theocracies is ancient Babylon not the old
or new testament.

Which public sector assests in Russian were turned over to the workers under Yeltson? Those Russian Jews who fled to Israel recently involved in the huge Russian oil company, were they the workers who worked there previously, just a handfull?
Who owns the Nike factory in China?
Do the owners work for a pitance like a few dollars a week?
Some progress.

Republican- democrat are just labels. Bush in action has been like a democrat in the main not like his conservative campaign rheteric. The left wing Labour parties of Britain and commonwealth all embraced the rightwing free market policies.
The borrower (all political party govts) are servants of the lender.
"Gold" we trust, rules.
Time for people to start trusting themeselves and create their own waterhole. But they will have to see past labels first.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:45 AM

<If English democrat follows Bush , what makes anybody think that democrat Kerry will not follow the Bush trail? >

Kerry is Fox. Fox and Lion are same thing. Fox voted for war and will stay in Iraq. Sometimes Lion is better because little animals can recognize him easily.;)
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 02:21 AM

"American prisons are rotten places because of overcrowding -- inmate populations have quadrupled to 2.1 million in 25 years -- and because salaries are low and training often poor. And there are two prison cultures, one of statutes and rules, and a savage law-of-the-jungle culture that often predominates because of leadership at the top that is indifferent or worse. It's the jungle of U.S. prison culture that apparently infected Abu Ghraib."

America's worst export
The atrocious abuse and humiliation of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison appears to have roots at least in part in a barbaric prison culture several soldiers carried with them from the United States. One of the named ringleaders at Abu Ghraib, Specialist Charles A. Graner Jr., and some of his Army Reservist accomplices work as prison guards in their Maryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania hometowns. One of the prisons was the site of a 1998 scandal involving beatings and the sadistic humiliation of inmates.

And, shockingly but somehow not surprisingly, private prison company executive Lane McCotter, the man Attorney General John Ashcroft sent to Baghdad to reopen Abu Ghraib and help establish in Iraq "an equitable criminal justice system based on the rule of law and standards of basic human rights," has himself led U.S. prison systems that officials have judged corrupt and brutal.

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American prisons are rotten places because of overcrowding -- inmate populations have quadrupled to 2.1 million in 25 years -- and because salaries are low and training often poor. And there are two prison cultures, one of statutes and rules, and a savage law-of-the-jungle culture that often predominates because of leadership at the top that is indifferent or worse. It's the jungle of U.S. prison culture that apparently infected Abu Ghraib.

One of the most horrifying points made in a report on Abu Ghraib by the International Committee of the Red Cross is the estimate by some coalition military intelligence officers that "between 70 percent and 90 percent" of the Iraqi detainees "have been arrested by mistake." If that's even close to being true, the American campaign to win over the Iraqi people and rescue them from tyranny may be doomed, and perhaps ought to be.

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 03:49 AM

To My American Readers, With Love
Dr. Khaled M. Batarfi, Arab News

It is refreshing to learn that some of you agree with at least some of what I stand for. I appreciate and learn from your critical, independent, humane and global views. Together, we could start a global movement against all kinds of abuse, extremism and terror.

But there are also readers who insist that there is a difference between the crimes of a better class of people, who can do no wrong, and the lesser breed, whose similar or smaller crimes are inexcusable. I would only say to them: This is the mentality of the super-race, the crusaders and Zionists that gave rise to Bin Laden and his kind.

After centuries of imperialism and a concomitant flood of this rubbish, we cannot take it anymore. Either a crime is a crime and a criminal is a criminal regardless of color and race, or we have the law of the jungle, the Wild West, and all lawsuits are void.

more...

http://www.arabnews....d=16&m=5&y=2004
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 08:18 AM

like Bush, Rumfeld, Ashcroft etc and the various think tank types
who advise them are responsible for the rats below them.
This current deviant behaviour in Iraq was reported to Bush back in January.
The argument of better class of people is merely a diversion and a tactic of making light of it, which is what Kerry is doing, the western media is doing. You slice and splice factors to avoid the
major issues.
Everything will keep running like a stunning movie with the world audiance eyes rivited on the action, gasp, moan and oggle
from one episode to the next.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 12:06 PM

Who would make the best defense chief from the names cited by John Kerry?

Carl Levin 6%

John McCain 69%

William Perry 41%

John Warner 16%

http://discussions.w...inside_today_us
So Kerry is Fox pretending to be a lamb.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 12:41 PM

Donq; *we could start a global movement
Together, we could start a global movement against all kinds of abuse, extremism and terror.*

:) Spontaneous combustion or self ignition is the outbreak of fire without application of heat from an external source. Spontaneous combustion may occur when combustible matter, such as hay or coal, is stored in bulk.
It begins with a slow oxidation process (as bacterial fermentation or atmospheric oxidation) under conditions not permitting ready dissipation of heat
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:04 PM

Bader;
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