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#2901 Pliny

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Posted 25 May 2004 - 03:25 AM

<Americans apply humans rights only to themselves . ha, ha ha.>

Most Americans are just like you and would like to see human rights applied equally. They are not mean and nasty like their government, or for that matter, most governments.
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 07:17 AM

"It's a predator-eat-prey world out there -- and sometimes a predator-eat-predator world -- and every survival tactic helps. Sometimes the smartest thing to do is stand still, and blend for your life."

Sorry, political camouflage not included, but that's a freak of nature.:confused:

The lesson is, if you are a predator, camouflage; if you are prey, camouflage. It's the smartest thing to do in the jungle...;)

Blend for Your Life!

Some animals run for their lives when they sense danger, but others do the opposite: they stand still. These animals blend in so well with their backgrounds they are safer if they freeze in the presence of danger. Meanwhile, on the top of the food web, predators are camouflaged, too, sneaking up on unsuspecting prey who don't see them until it's too late.

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Sneak Attack
Camouflage serves both predator and prey--and in some cases both at once. Animals that are food for other animals employ camouflage so that predators, from sharp-eyed owls and hawks to sharks, bears, weasels, and snakes, don't see them. If they can look enough like a bunch of old leaves, a patch of lichens, or a nice green leaf, that hungry owl or badger just might pass on by.

Likewise, predators are sometimes cryptically colored so that they can sneak up on prey without being seen. Think of the Polar Bear, top of the Arctic food chain, colored to match its snowy background. The Great White Shark is dark on top and light below. This pattern, called countershading, helps it blend in with the dark depths when seen from above and with the brightness from the sky when viewed from below.

The Goosefish lies in wait on the ocean floor, looking like a sandy lump and wiggling a little appendage that serves to lure unsuspecting fishes near. Once a fish goes for the lure, the Goosefish rises up and swallows it. When the dust clears, this voracious predator has again settled into the sand, stock-still, except for its gently waving lure.

The diminutive Long-tailed Weasel is one of many creatures that plays both roles, predator and prey. Its changing coloration (snow-white in winter, brown in summer) helps it hide from foxes, cats, and birds of prey, while stalking a shrew, mole, or bird for its own meal. It's a predator-eat-prey world out there -- and sometimes a predator-eat-predator world -- and every survival tactic helps. Sometimes the smartest thing to do is stand still, and blend for your life.

http://www.enature.c...asp?storyID=569
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 08:06 AM

Once upon a time, in a very distant jungle, lived a fox. The fox, who was brown, noticing the upcoming winter snows, thought this way: "If I don't change colors, I will starve. It's better for me to dress snow white, so I can prey on the unsuspecting little animals." And that way the fox prospered for many winters, until things started going downhill when the little animals learned of his cover. Meanwhile another fox, who also was going hungry, approached him and said: "You must be the fox who's the terror of the little animals. They now know though who you are. If, on the other hand, we dressed in alternative colors, we can tell them that each of us defends them from the other."

And that's how the two foxes created the White Party and the Brown Party to run the jungle democratically...
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 08:58 AM

We had an example of that the other day regarding the sudden release of photos re Abu Ghraib prison.

Release of exposure re the UN, pretend to block it to make it
more widely known and in demand, a few scapegoats then
talk of reforms.
Same as after Sept 11. Camoflage the real problems and issues,
create a fall-item, eg how intelligence is handled/structure and then reform the intelliegence systems- centralising them to create greater power, greater control over everything and everyone.

Next time a major incident is staged, there will be less loose ends and unanswered questions because the information will be
better controlled and easier to prepare for the aftermath/ damage control.

The 2yk bug scare back at the turn of the century was supposed to have been for the purpose of (reform) streamlining/align computer systems world wide to make it easier to run a world govt.
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 10:41 AM

Democracies have been sliding left for quite sometime and the voter doesn't suspect any maniplation.

First a policy that is determined to be for the "common good" is laid out. It is really good for government concentration of power or for revenues and has nothing to do with the common good.

The policy is then presented in the media for sampling public reaction. Opposition to the policy is closely polled. Supporters of the policy may start little support groups and get grants from the government as charitable or non-profit organizations. Academia is invited to comment and arguments for and against are presented.
Soon the small non-profit groups with the government grants are seen lobbying at political legislatures or at their representatives office. There is always some support for a left-wing cause.
Information and statistics are released designed to garner support and polls are taken again. Politicians are lobbied and then take the "public" concerns to the legislature. If the polls are still low the subject may be left to stew for awhile or new infromation may be presented to the public for debate. Depending on the subject and initial position in the polls the legislation may take years or even decades. The public, weary of the topic, eventually accedes.

Democracy will eventually move to socialism over time, when the purpose of government becomes philanthropy, and left-wing social policy will become easier to implement as time progresses. The slide toward socialism means an increased size and scope of government and further concentration of power.
Voila! Next thing you know they aren't even asking the public their opinion and doing what they "know" is best. The explanation is, studies show this course of action is necessary.
We cannot defend ourselves against erudite "studies". Do we know better than the "experts"?
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#2906 Bader

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Posted 25 May 2004 - 10:53 AM

check out: 911uncovered.com
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 11:25 AM

Viva La France

*But he highlighted French demands for the transfer of power to be genuine.
"It is mainly to do with the sincerity, reality, the credibility of the process of the transfer of sovereignty," *
http://www.reuters.c...storyID=5246713

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Posted 25 May 2004 - 01:10 PM

In Poland is very popular quotation saying that it is unimportant how man starts but how he finishes. And with help
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 03:14 PM

<Democracy will eventually move to socialism over time, when the purpose of government becomes philanthropy, and left-wing social policy will become easier to implement as time progresses. The slide toward socialism means an increased size and scope of government and further concentration of power.>

Howdy Pliny, all
Let me see if you agree with this. Good Socialism (say Scandinavian) is better than Bad Capitalism (say American) but not as good as Good Humanism (what I propose, in lack of a better name) combined with Good Capitalism (what you propose). But don't be fooled by the names. The real difference between our proposal and theirs is that we accept COMPETITION and want to teach the little people HOW TO FISH.;)

What I like about the name "Humanism" is that it can bridge whatever difference we may have over religion, culture, etc. I once asked Bader if he could come up with a better name, but "democracy" was too burned out. Another name I'm tempted to use is COMMON SENSE SYSTEM.

Another option--which you guys have been slow to accept and perhaps never will--is to give it the name of some national dish. Needless to say the names that really stick is Banana Revolution, etc...:D The fact is the little people have been brought up, fed on those foodstuffs and relate better to them than to national symbols, like the flag, etc. One advantage of such names is that the lions, foxes, etc. can never hide behind them. They offer no cover for camouflage.

One thing is for certain, the Banana Revolution--and the promised Banana Party--is making waves in town...;)

<Voila! Next thing you know they aren't even asking the public their opinion and doing what they "know" is best. The explanation is, studies show this course of action is necessary.
We cannot defend ourselves against erudite "studies". Do we know better than the "experts"?>

The "experts" are bought up and paid for by the lion. To really know what's wrong with the jungle, perhaps turn to the wino...;)
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Posted 25 May 2004 - 04:28 PM

It will be no humanity without justice. Without justice could be only the veggi farming.
It was Hitler idea to grow people without basic emotions. Besides inclination to reproduction and good health they should have an ability to provide the basic work skills. Fortunately Hitler dreams are the only history lessons.
Beneficially, human being is proud even naked and robbed from human rights.
And the human beings have the history memory .

People who have reason to hate, never going to cooperate.

First colonialists have to pay their debts to colonies, slaves and citizens whose life is destroyed by war operations. This is starting point. :)
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 12:47 AM

Howdy Woj:
I went back several pages to find something that might have been taken for your claim I said the Iraqis wouldnt defend themselves.
Might be easier if you tell me what I actually said, with Iraqis fighting the US for a year now I would be surprised it was me that said that, and I cant think of anything your misunderstood.

If history has to be unravelled in reverse and everyone pay reparation who have taken advantage of anyone else it would
never end and it would lead to wars all over the place plus suddenly new evidence of historical claims would start to appear.
We have enough war based on fabrication already.
The dead cant repay to the dead anyway.
But the idea could fetch a tidy sum from the Lion. He could
instigate it then after a decade of chaos restore order and be a household hero all around the world. On second thoughts, na you wouldnt get a dime the plan is already in operation. The Lion is going to bring world peace soon.
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 01:25 AM

The business executives national security group means security to
be able to exploit what Bush has opened up. Without security they cant "invest" and plunder.

The road map actually starts in Palestine. It the same one fits all
so the Israelis and the corporates and the locals who sell out
for money rule across a multi-national market of the middle east.
Like Sth America etc, the flow of profits will go out to the center
of the mass by the financial pull of gravity.
Nothing new here folks.

The views of Iran are typical US simplistic proganda. One step away from inciting invasion to look for WMD, muslims are crazy and a threat to world peace. Nothing new here folks, move on you are blocking the footpath.

Nuclear weapons. Pakistan trades in them, Nth Korea sells the
missles to deliver them. Pakistan is in the US camp, as is Saudi Arabia the biggest funder of aid to terrorists by reputation.
Funny how there is no embargo against them. After Sept 11
it was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that we commonly viewed as
the more approapriate countries to invade (based on the holywood type production of muslims v America by Bush and the media). Iran wasnt in the picture. They are trying to build in Iraq what the lost in Iran and more, which included free Iranian oil for Israel.
And Russias inventory of old stored weapons have huge holes inthe stocks and no one knows where they went. Bit like the museums in Bagdad in the flux of change and collapsed budgets.
Predictable by the planners.

Brahimi (UN ambasidor) advocates the cooperation of the area
surrounding Iraq which means the UN gets brownie points for
appearing to solve the problem. The US/zionist/corporate rape of Iraq is accepted and the new regime made up of mainly bought
reps as in America by funds from the rapists, who will supply more money than any individual Iraqi or many parties which will form for the election next year, means the first stage
bridge-head into central Asia (gas and oil) has been stablished.
The cooperation of the neighbours will make it look good but
cooperation is likely to happen anyway for more positive reasons.
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 02:54 AM

<If history has to be unravelled in reverse and everyone pay reparation who have taken advantage of anyone else it would
never end and it would lead to wars all over the place plus suddenly new evidence of historical claims would start to appear.
We have enough war based on fabrication already.
The dead cant repay to the dead anyway.>

Howdy Bader
I really like what you say. An eye for an eye makes you blind. We must seek JUSTICE FOR ALL but not embark on a lion hunt, just declare the lion obsolete. He can go about his ways so long as he abandons his predatory ways.

<But the idea could fetch a tidy sum from the Lion. He could
instigate it then after a decade of chaos restore order and be a household hero all around the world. On second thoughts, na you wouldnt get a dime the plan is already in operation. The Lion is going to bring world peace soon.>

I don't know whether the big lion is in absolute control any longer. Too many independent violent monkeys can make his life miserable, without instructions from little lion. Of course, the first to pay will be the little animals...:(

Hey, thank Bush for this...;)

Report: al-Qaida Ranks Swelling Worldwide
By BARRY RENFREW, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - Far from being crippled by the U.S.-led war on terror, al-Qaida has more than 18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq (news - web sites) is swelling its ranks, a report said Tuesday.

Al-Qaida is probably working on plans for major attacks on the United States and Europe, and it may be seeking weapons of mass destruction in its desire to inflict as many casualties as possible, the International Institute of Strategic Studies said in its annual survey of world affairs.

Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s network appears to be operating in more than 60 nations, often in concert with local allies, the study by the independent think tank said.

http://story.news.ya...id=540&ncid=716
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 06:42 AM

which are the more authentic.
Think tanks have become dirtywords to me.

Has anyone heard of a dependant think tank?
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 11:01 AM

Bader; I apologize, I don
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 02:03 PM

<which are the more authentic.
Think tanks have become dirtywords to me.

Has anyone heard of a dependant think tank?>

Bader, I know what you mean. But the Big Lion--and this is common sense--controls the Little Lion--unless it represents competition--but the 18,000 violent monkeys or so can't be controlled. Think of Iraq. The deposed Little Lion could have been intimidated and controlled--and he was willing to cooperate in the end--but the thousands of independent violent monkeys leave no rest to the Big Lion. Think of it as the monkeys throwing coconuts at the Lion from the treetops until they break his nerve and quits.

The only solution is to stop all lions from playing their power games. Then the violent monkeys will have no enemy and drop violence. JUSTICE WILL RULE OVER THE LAND...;)
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 02:11 PM

<I think that is something comical in American democracy ; you have only choice between two victims of retardation and 10 types of tooth pastes.>

That was good...:D

We can say we got a political choice between lion and fox. Most little animlas don't even care to vote.
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 02:46 PM

>>>The only solution is to stop all lions from playing their power games. Then the violent monkeys will have no enemy and drop violence. JUSTICE WILL RULE OVER THE LAND...<<<


It will be Justice,fairness,equality....a la Orwell most likely.

Stopping them may be the solution but most people don't even know who the puppetmasters are to stop them. They only see the puppets. If those in power guarantee anything it will be maintaining their own rule. Control of the world is at stake. Power, status are not easy things to wrench from someone's grip.
They are corrupt, expose them and who knows what will come out of their desperation to maintain their position.

Hate to sound like a pessimist but on the other hand evil tends to destroy itself so they may tip their hand. Then it is only a matter of how much collateral damage occurs.
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 03:49 PM

<It will be Justice,fairness,equality....a la Orwell most likely.>

Howdy Pliny
When I think of Orwell, I don't think of equality; I think of his rejection of Big Brother, who I'm sure you know...;)

My own interpretation is that we should NOT look for equality at all, but for CHOICES. BE AND LET BE could be the rule of the land. Of course, when nobody forces anything on you, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL.

<Stopping them may be the solution but most people don't even know who the puppetmasters are to stop them. They only see the puppets. If those in power guarantee anything it will be maintaining their own rule. Control of the world is at stake. Power, status are not easy things to wrench from someone's grip.
They are corrupt, expose them and who knows what will come out of their desperation to maintain their position.>

The puppet master is easy to tell. He's talking of "democracy," "socialism," "human rights," "God," etc, etc, but he won't accept COMPETITION. He wants it all to himself. At the point he roars at you when you propose any change for the better, you know you are in the presence of Satan the Lion himself...;)

Of course, he can be dangerous, but we can learn to tame the beast. "We shall fear not," so long as we use the whip of the Truth. If he strikes he only comdemns himself even further. And if it comes to the worst, in Heaven there's no lions...;)

<Hate to sound like a pessimist but on the other hand evil tends to destroy itself so they may tip their hand. Then it is only a matter of how much collateral damage occurs.>

Again, Russian Lion fell apart from within. It would only have to have the OVERWHELMING SUPPORT OF THE PROLES. And I know how to get that...;)
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Posted 26 May 2004 - 03:58 PM

'The notion of fighting a campaign against terrorism so as to support human rights, while simultaneously trampling on them to achieve this, was no more than "double speak", she said.'

No wonder some say we live in the jungle...;)

Amnesty slams 'bankrupt' vision of US in damning human rights report

LONDON (AFP) - The United States has proved "bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle" in its fight against terrorism and invasion of Iraq (news - web sites), Amnesty International charged.

In its 2004 report on the state of human rights around the globe, the London-based group cited grave violations in dozens of other nations.

But it targeted in particular the "war on terror" initiated by US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) in the wake of the September 11 attacks in 2001 for sanctioning human rights abuses in the name of freedom.

The unilateral nature of the conflict to unseat Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Iraq had additionally "virtually paralyzed" the United Nations (news - web sites)' role in guaranteeing human rights on a global level, the Amnesty report said Wednesday.

The 339-page document, detailing the human rights situation in 157 nations and territories, reserved the most column inches for the United States, with almost as many critical words also meted out to Russia and China.

Other perennial violators were also highlighted such as North Korea (news - web sites), Cuba, and the central Asian state of Turkmenistan where Amnesty summarised the situation simply as "appalling".

"The global security agenda promulgated by the US administration is bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle," wrote Amnesty's secretary general Irene Khan in the report's introduction.

"Sacrificing human rights in the name of security at home, turning a blind eye to abuses abroad and using pre-emptive military force where and when it chooses have neither increased security nor ensured liberty."

The notion of fighting a campaign against terrorism so as to support human rights, while simultaneously trampling on them to achieve this, was no more than "double speak", she said.

"The United States has lost its moral high ground and its ability to lead on peace and human rights elsewhere," Khan added at a press conference in London to launch the annual report.

The report also stated that events in 2003 had "dealt a mortal blow" to the UN's vision of universal human rights, with the global body "virtually paralysed in its efforts to hold states to account" over the issue.

"Not since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in 1948 has there been such a sustained attack on (its) values and principles," Khan told the press conference.

While the report only briefly dealt with damning allegations that US and British troops tortured Iraqi prisoners -- these first came to light just last month -- it had harsh words about the two nations' overall record in Iraq.

"Coalition forces failed to live up fully to their responsibilities as occupying powers, including their duty to restore and maintain public order and safety, and to provide food, medical care and relief assistance," it said.

Elsewhere, Amnesty detailed a long list of abuses in Russia, where security forces "continue to enjoy almost total impunity for serious violations of human rights and international law" in the breakaway republic of Chechnya (news - web sites).

China, despite a new Communist government under President Hu Jintao, had made "no significant attempt" to end the use of torture and other abuses, which "remained widespread".

In the Middle East, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) were taken to task, with Amnesty saying that some actions by the Israeli army, such as the destruction of property, "constituted war crimes".

One of the most damning assessments was handed to Cuba, which saw a "severe deterioration in the human rights situation" during 2003, most notably through the jailing of dozens of dissidents after "hasty and unfair" trials.

http://story.news.ya...s_amnesty_world
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