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#281 GORDILL

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Posted 11 July 2003 - 10:29 PM

So one of the great things about freedom is every nation is free to organize their own government as they see fit.

If they like, or dislike, the results of this freedom, it was themselves that did it. No one else.

Do what you want to do.
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Posted 12 July 2003 - 05:59 AM

yeah, but some nations are not given the option to organize as they see fit-people take over whether the nation wants them in charge or not.
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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:30 AM

Gee CP,

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were describing the current situation in Iraq.

Can that be possible??
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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:34 AM

that is exactly the situation in iraq-the iraqi people were saddled with sadam, who was, to say the least, not exactly a benign leader.
now they have the americans; again not them in charge.
that's why it is my hope that we will leave them with a representative government that reflects the iraqi people-so that finally they will have a government by and for them.
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#285 MarquisDeSade

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:06 AM

A coin has two sides like the world there are two sides too, good and bad. If we take either one out. what would the world be? Are we still going to live understand such circumstances, between good and bad? Which side are you incline to?

i believe the reason for the success of swiss democracy is the sensiblities of different races knowing that peace is the best solution irregardless of culture. The willingness of acceptance towards each other is another factor with the number of votes being the determinant. Living with good and bad is not a major problem but the sensibilites of the people make the system work. with low acceptance of each other, war is defintely bound to happen. it's a matter of time.

There are many methods of solving a solution. what is the best then? hasnt ghandi show the world that through peaceful means, solution can be solved. let's not look pass such important teachings of ghandi. the world is huge. there are many ghandi a likes too.
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#286 The Beat

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:14 AM

Again, CP

"yeah, but some nations are not given the option to organize as they see fit-people take over whether the nation wants them in charge or not."

Some nations = Iraqis
are not given the option to = due to forced invasion can't
people = USA
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#287 cpwill

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 08:39 AM

again, beat.

sadam=no choice, ever, and hand over your daughter for execution by rape.
usa=no temporary choice but choice coming up and don't shoot at us or we will probably shoot back.
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#288 Bader

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 11:08 AM

I am trying to catch up here, couldn't hook up last night.
...capitalism would not survive without corporations...
...without social security capitalism wouldn't survive long..
yeah, and the current situation is that the corporate world has
achieved the power over governments that they are now being
subsidised/underwritten at the last resort by the taxpayer. The so-called free-market is no more, we now have fascism which is
a marriage between state and corporate world. That's corporate social security- ultimately it is for the banks who may have more money invested in corporations than governemnts.
...the offence of lying..
it would in a true free society be dealt to by the press, like exposing the Con-man. More laws while leaving society legally and structurally unbalanced merely means the poorer people go to jail and the richer ones get off. Lets do something new.
... evolution..
Its a lie. The fossil records says so. (go directly to jail Donq,
if you pass go do not collect, $200, especially if US currency)
...communisim requires that people work for very low wages..
...communisn cannot exist along side capitalism..
Both use low paid workers, both are ruled by an elite, both are working towards world gov, both were founded by international bankers. Out of the conflict comes the Hegel off-spring fascism.
They both still exist in China and Russia according to reports.
Lets see them doing something new.
Ghandi: a legacy of ghandi is the nuclear stand-off between
the Hindus and Muslims.
Iraq: Hit three times and struck out by the U.S. Strike one was when they put Hussein into power, destroying any democratic forces (as Arafat and all the other tin-horn hitlers they put into power) and armed to destroy Iran. Strike two was the Bush
senior war for using the weapons they helped give them, and strike three is recent events based on LIES. (evolution?)
Obviously it's not just about oil, or the disintergration of Islam
as a potential force but the creation of Greater Israel that is going on.
...one of the great things about freedom- - every nation is free to organise their own government...
yeah, and the fact it is rare speaks of how little freedom there
is in the world. The American people didn't choose their present government! Land of what FREE?
Being able to elect your own government really amounts only to being able to hold public elections. The two party horse race is
owned by corporate and other heavy-handed funding not the public. Secondly most government don't get to have the freedom to do what they want ( even if it was possible for the electors-the
voters to direct gov) because the IMF or similar is doing so
taking away their sovereignty. A basic foundation of sovereignty
is to create your own debt free money as the early colonial
settlers in the U.S. which the international bankers leaned on King George (no not Bush) to squash, leading to the war of independance.
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#289 Buttersideup

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 04:47 PM

Bader:

Youre vision seems fairly clear....
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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:42 PM

<Little dinosaurs like Liberia? If we don't do anything, despite the begging, we are heartless. If we do something we are Imperialist dinosaurs. See the ridiculous box we are placed in....>

I know your very good intentions :) but you dinosaur ways are not useful to the little animals. The large scale agriculture, for example, is not usable in the small African farm. Likewise your resource-gobbling ways will set off even more fights over resources...

Why don't you work on getting smaller and better right at home?

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:48 PM

<Once long ago in the jungle all the animals were tired of being abused by the dinosaurs. One day the foxes and the wolves called them all together and offered up a plan. Due to there teeth and speed they could eventually drive the dinosaurs off. All the animals agreed that was a great plan and praised them for thinking of it. Eventually through prolonged harassment the dinosaurs left. Later that week the wolves and the foxes laughed as they dined sumptuously and freely on the rest of the jungle. >

Very enlightening. That's why is better to say:

NO PREDATOR NO PROBLEMA.
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#292 donquijote

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 06:58 PM

<i believe the reason for the success of swiss democracy is the sensiblities of different races knowing that peace is the best solution irregardless of culture. The willingness of acceptance towards each other is another factor with the number of votes being the determinant. Living with good and bad is not a major problem but the sensibilites of the people make the system work. with low acceptance of each other, war is defintely bound to happen. it's a matter of time.>

Hi Marquis

Exactly. We got to take features from that system and apply wherever there's conflict. It's being proposed for Afghanistan, Bangla Desh and other areas, why not the rest.

<There are many methods of solving a solution. what is the best then? hasnt ghandi show the world that through peaceful means, solution can be solved. let's not look pass such important teachings of ghandi. the world is huge. there are many ghandi a likes too.>

If we convince the proles that they don't need the lion, he'd be neutralized without violence.

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:05 PM

<"yeah, but some nations are not given the option to organize as they see fit-people take over whether the nation wants them in charge or not."

Some nations = Iraqis
are not given the option to = due to forced invasion can't
people = USA>

I put it this way for the kids out there: The Big Lion controls the Big Jungle, but he wants to control the other jungles as well. So he gathers another bunch of Little Lions and puts them in charge of Small Jungles. The small animals complain about it and try to break free, but are eaten for subversion...

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#294 Mark7567

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:11 PM

'But if the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies....Surely it must occur to them to do it? And yet-----!'


The proles are unconscience...
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#295 donquijote

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:19 PM

<...the offence of lying..
it would in a true free society be dealt to by the press, like exposing the Con-man. More laws while leaving society legally and structurally unbalanced merely means the poorer people go to jail and the richer ones get off. Lets do something new.>

Hey Bader, how about whoever lies will be whipped?

<... evolution..
Its a lie. The fossil records says so. (go directly to jail Donq,
if you pass go do not collect, $200, especially if US currency)
...communisim requires that people work for very low wages..>

So I won't give you the Ministry of Evolution, just the Economics...
But even great people like the Pope--well to Christians--has acknowledged that fact--because it's a fact... :)

<...communisn cannot exist along side capitalism..
Both use low paid workers, both are ruled by an elite, both are working towards world gov, both were founded by international bankers. Out of the conflict comes the Hegel off-spring fascism.
They both still exist in China and Russia according to reports.>

I buy that.

<Lets see them doing something new.
Ghandi: a legacy of ghandi is the nuclear stand-off between
the Hindus and Muslims.>

Not a doubt.

<...one of the great things about freedom- - every nation is free to organise their own government...
yeah, and the fact it is rare speaks of how little freedom there
is in the world. The American people didn't choose their present government! Land of what FREE?>

Free from competition perhaps?

PS: One advantage of Evolution is that you don't have a set idea like in Marxism or Capitalism, but the freedom to change as you see the need. You don't have to create we came from monkeys, because everybody knows we came in spaceships from outter space... :confused:

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#296 donquijote

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:31 PM

<'But if the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies....Surely it must occur to them to do it? And yet-----!'


The proles are unconscience... >

The control of the lion over the little animals is only psychological, for he needs the little animals to survive both economically and physically. Even his army and bodyguards come from the little animals.

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#297 Gil Hughes

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 07:35 PM

Try a Pre-emptive Mega-Nuclear strike .
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#298 Buttersideup

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 09:02 PM

Again with the nuclear strike routine.
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#299 Bader

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Posted 12 July 2003 - 11:55 PM

Mark 7567 (four digits as in spelling of lion- watch out for him
gentle animals!) is talking about Gulliver of Johonathon Swift
writers creation in Gulliver's Travels.
The sleeping giant is not China but a society that wakes to itself
and stands up on its own feet. When Gulliver was prown lying on his back the Lion's minions the little people had him all pegged
out and strung to the ground rendering him powerless. As long as he believed he was powerless he was.
A lot of nursury rhymes that have been lost also told little stories
that Donq loves.
Those strings could be seen as motionless whips eh Donq?
Gulliver whips not prison could be a good punishment for lying, I would
rather be in the old stocks, at least you could duck ever so slightly
when people threw rotten things at you. Imagine people standing over you and emptying unthinkable things on one face
tied down to the gound?
This way lying goes with lying out. Can we be immune from
international legal action as Bush is trying to enforce, if we become the inventors of such a world saving disciplinary act?
Don't quote the pope on evolution, he's from crackow isn't he
so he will be up the pole.
Marxism and evolution were promoted together like twins for the
same end which the Soviet Union failed to effect. Both are as
obsolete as the flat earth. It's only flat on my driveway.
By the way who is responsible for the Soviet Unuion the athiests
in the communist party or the Russian Orthodox church?
Don't speak to loud about coming here space ships the Lion may have an alien policy that hurts.
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Posted 13 July 2003 - 02:04 AM

Russia and China and a serious defence pact cut between them would be interesting combining what each brings to the table. That is obvious.

They do have a common border and many mutual interests.

Over 1 billion people with the latest weapons technology and huge natural resources to support them.

I know Russia hasn,t hooked up with a major power since the 2nd. WW but probably thinks about it from time to time.

This would be really bad for the west but even the Roman Empire crashed and burned.

It must be remembered this Planet can only support so many Billion people. It won,t be all that long before things start to fail weather we like it or not.

Beam me up Scotty!
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