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#3001 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 04 June 2004 - 10:40 AM

Bader/Donq; *I enjoy your come-back and get a good hearty laugh from time to time. Its excellent, so we dont take ourselves too seriously.
A great stabiliser.The Beatles were the first to mix, rock n roll, drugs and a spirituality(Indian) plus a uniform hairstyle. Marley seems to have made it more cult like.
Reminds me of an American guy from the sixties who immigrated to lybia who was a drug cult guru who preached drugs as a way of linking with god. Timothy Leary was his name. He was good entertainment as well. Wore his hair long and used an Nth American Indian style headband. He was real loose and unelevated.*



Recycling is virtue for an environment but gross for journalism. :) So when one tries reheat drug junks culture is just kidding himself and audience.
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Posted 04 June 2004 - 10:59 AM

Putin: Those bombing Serbia must pay it for the damage
06/04/2004 13:26
http://english.pravd...019_Serbia.html

Putin is the man I love. "If the international community had had courage to prevent bombing Belgrade, "we would not have faced the complicated problems in Iraq", said Russian President Vladimir Putin at the meeting with Serbian Prime Minister Voislav Kostunica in Russian city Sochi.
Vladimir Putin said that those bombing Serbia must compensate the damage it had because of the bombing and military operations. *
Finally Putin said what million people is waiting for.
Therefore Putin is moral European authority and nobody else. Pope is recipient today from Bush the Freedom Medal and it is right and deserved by the Pope , the arrogant American insult.
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Posted 04 June 2004 - 02:48 PM

"One Love" will be the international anthem of a coffee-colored humanity living in unity, in a world beyond borders, beyond beliefs, where everyone has learned at last to get together and feel all right.

<I enjoy your come-back and get a good hearty laugh from time to time. Its excellent, so we dont take ourselves too seriously.
A great stabiliser.>

Howdy Bader
Well, at least I've accomplished something. Early on when I wanted to write, many laughed contemptously, until I wrote in a funny way and they never spoke about it again. The weapon of laughter is very powerful indeed. The lion can't stand laughter.;)

<The Beatles were the first to mix, rock n roll, drugs and a spirituality(Indian) plus a uniform hairstyle. Marley seems to have made it more cult like.>

There's two symbols of rebellion: Che Guevara and Bob Marley. Period. The first, fighting the lion to replace it with another lion, is out of the question. The second is the rebel against all INJUSTICE, against all fake lions. Nobody else shares his charisma and energy. If we don't have a symbol we are doomed. If we, on the other hand, were able to tap into that energy we would have half the battle won...;)

BOB MARLEY by Roger Steffens

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"you don't see thousands of Maori and Tongans and Fijians gathering annually to pay honor to Louis Armstrong; you don't witness phalanxes of youth wandering the world sporting Louis Armstrong t-shirts. In fact, big as the Beatles were, you hardly see any Beatle shirts around anymore, except for those few featuring John Lennon's sorrow-inducing visage. Can you imagine an image of Elvis sewn onto the sleeve of an armed guerilla? When was the last time you saw a Michael Jackson flag or a Bob Dylan sarong or Madonna rolling papers? All of these exist in Marleyite forms, his iconography well nigh a new universal language, the symbol, as Jack Healey of Amnesty International continues to tell people, of freedom throughout the world."

"So we can't compare Marley to other well-known musical figures. As for politics, he eschewed them, although his actions caused him to be perceived (and sometimes feared) as a profoundly radical political leader too. But his were the anti-politics of salvation through love and love alone, an unshakeable knowledge of the oneness of all humankind."

"Bob understood that reggae had the magnificent capaciousness to absorb all other influences and anchor them solidly to the drum and bass underpining that is its essential element, the sweet seductive secret of its success."

"His words were so perfectly simple that they achieved eloquence. Today, his elemental stories can be related to and understood by people anywhere who suffer and love and long for salvation. In other words, just about every one of us."

"Marley's ready embrace of herb, and the flaunting of his startling mane of locks that grew more ferocious as the '70s wound down, contributed to his image as a rebel for all seasons, treated like a deity among defiant youth and seasoned revolutionaries alike, who recognized him as one of their own, embracing him in Harare during Zimbabwe's independence, and sending him messages of solidarity from Peruvian jungles to Himalayan hideaways."

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Posted 04 June 2004 - 03:40 PM

< Pope is recipient today from Bush the Freedom Medal and it is right and deserved by the Pope , the arrogant American insult.>

We should institute a "Hypocrite Medal" to all those who do a great service to the cause of the Lie and Insencere Talk..:D
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 06:14 AM

The Hypocrite Medal and Two people need to dance tango;

Every second of the visit was settled by consultants so every side checked its score upfront;
Pope gets the *Monarch went o down quite to his knees * and Bush picture with Pope blessing America for his reelection.
Both know that what they say is unimportant for the mass,
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 07:18 AM

War on terrorism?

*WHOSE SIDE IS AMERICA ON?* By Richard Reeves (intercepts)

PARIS -- Once upon a time, a Ph.D. candidate in California named Ibrahim al-Marashi picked up the morning newspapers and found his 15 minutes of fame. Secretary of State Colin Powell before the United Nations testifying that all good men must go to war because the aces of American and British intelligence had uncovered undeniable proof that the dictator of Iraq was making, hiding and getting ready to use WMD.


It turned out that a lot of the intelligence Powell cited that day came from al-Marashi's doctoral dissertation., son of Iraqi parents, ignored his conclusions, and declared Saddam an imminent threat to English-speaking Christians everywhere.
His latest work, turned up here last week as President Bush troubles in Iraq to World War II.
The new Ibrahim al-Marashi work makes sad reading;:
"During World War I, the victorious British entered Baghdad and declared to its inhabitants that they were 'liberated' from years of 'Ottoman tyranny.' The British then took three regions, Mosul, Baghdad and Basra, to form what is today Iraq. The Kurds, Sunni and Shiite Arabs had little in common with each other, other than their animosity toward the British.
It was obvious to these communities that 'liberation' meant 'occupation,' and they united to harass and expel the British.
"The British response was to create a monarchy sympathetic to their wishes in 1921. By 1958, the Iraqi people again united to overthrow a government too subservient to the British.
It was the chaos following the 1958 revolution that allowed a ke Saddam Hussein to climb to power."

al-Marashi' suggests, that the coalition's hopes for winning the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq, including those who had the most personal reasons to hate Saddam, may have been doomed from the start -- because so many Iraqis believed that the dictator had been for a very long time an agent or tool of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.
Iraqis know that the United States supplied Saddam with military and intelligence help during the country's long war against Iran in the 1980s. Then, after the 1991 Gulf Warr by President George H.W. Bush, American-led coalition troops did not kill or capture Saddam, but urged Kurds in the north and Shiites in the South to rise up against him.
When they did, the United States stood aside and allowed Saddam to slaughter the resisters.
Iraqis believe it was all an American plot to strengthen, not weaken, Saddam.
Al-Marashi sees little difference between the British disaster of the 1920s and the American moves more than 80 years later. The British put in a king to try to preserve their position and the Americans are putting in prime ministers and presidents -- and things will get worse and worse.
"The more unstable Iraq is, the more the United States can justify having military bases to 'stabilize' the country ... even though the postwar chaos in Iraq may have given al-Qaida agents a new base to continue their campaign against the United States."
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 08:11 AM

Venezuelan President Closer to Facing a Recall Vote
that could end his rule.

Still, it was unclear if the referendum would take place quickly enough for Mr. Ch?vez's foes to end a left-leaning government that has rankled Washington with its remarks against the Bush administration and close ties to President Fidel Castro of Cuba.

The electoral council's decision came six chaotic months after the opposition claimed to have collected 3.4 million signatures in a four-day petition drive monitored by the Organization of American States and the former President Jimmy Carter's organization.
Intercepts; http://www.nytimes.c...04CND-VENE.html

Not only Bush fight for oil, Democrat Carter as well, between his work on chairs, creates image of compassion for poor.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 08:36 AM

This Day in History


1967: Six-Day War begun

During the Arab-Israeli wars, opposing sides fought for the third time on June 5
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 01:27 PM

< Pope gets the *Monarch went o down quite to his knees * and Bush picture with Pope blessing America for his reelection.
Both know that what they say is unimportant for the mass, - somehow Pope -s part about justice in Israel and Palestinian relations is lost ifrom the majority news anyway.
Show goes on.>

Yeap, that's the way it goes. The later did another show about certaing killing the Nazis--who else?--did in Italy. Oh, such a tear jerker...;)

By the way, they "forgot" these other crimes...

Was World War II
American Urban Bombing
Democide?

R.J. Rummel

In my Statistics of Democide, Chapter 13 "Death By American Bombing and Other Democide,", I listed American indiscriminate urban bombing of Germany and Japan as democide-murder by government (I include elsewhere in the book such bombing by Britain, Germany, Italy, and Japan). The worst of these democidal bombings was the firebombing of Japanese cities, almost entirely carried out by American bombers, and designed and commanded by General Curtis LeMay. One of his planners was Robert S. McNamara, then a lieutenant colonel, who in the 1960s would become the Secretary of Defense under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.

In his article, HREF="http://www.larrycalloway.com/column.html?_recordnum=45">"The Firebombing Of Japan: An Apology--Errol Morris Presents Robert S. McNamara, Larry Calloway points out that McNamara said in an interview with Morris, "[T]hat when [General Curtis] LeMay served under him in the Kennedy administration, the old general commented that if Japan had won the war they both would have been charged for acting like war criminals." To many, including especially those who served in the military during the war, this is ridiculous, morally absurd. Before getting into this, I should note that just on the fire bombing of March 9-10, 1944, near 100,000 Japanese civilians were killed, more than died in the Hiroshima atomic bombing. In the war overall, bombing of Japanese cities might have killed about 337,000, including my estimate of 165,000 by atomic bombs, the quintessential city and civilian killers. Equally indiscriminate bombing of German cities by the United States and Britain may have killed about 410,000 German civilians.

http://www.hawaii.ed...OMM.10.5.03.HTM
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 02:55 PM

<Not only Bush fight for oil, Democrat Carter as well, between his work on chairs, creates image of compassion for poor.>

Woj, you really seem to know what's going in the jungle...;)

Carter is wolf in sheep's clothing; Chavez is wolf in sheep's clothing; Bush is wolf in wolf's clothing...;)
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 07:54 PM

Good one Woj:

The greater culture is the drug of one world (One Love), melting
all culture, races, religion into one is the same old drug of ancient babylon. Sorry DonQ the Lions smell preceeds him.
The NWO is no boundaries, none exclusive which why muslims are being exported to all the christian nations and globalism is
changing the planet, and a composite religion is being designed
for the world.

Three cheers, someone has finally spoken out- Putin and after
the Iraq proper elections we should hear the same call for reparations to be paid by the US and British taxpayers to rebuild Iraq.
That would sober up the carnval money spinner racket of election time, if it started before the elections.

It won't come from the Pope because hes been bought off with a reward for looking the other way again. What a time in history to be seen receiving a reward from that bunch of nazis but that
association is not new. It has been well documented.
But they are not alone in shame, most of the world has surcomedand millions of people of different labels have been
disgraced by LEADERS. Russia looks number one to me.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 09:36 PM

Interesting choice of word. The world is getting full of monarchs,
acting like god-kings.

The pattern of events since the break up of the Ottaman Empire
is the same right through and is probably intended to be maintained by unstable govts into the future-
which is treading water. The Balfour declaration(1917) would have become a major factor in the Foreign Office thinking/decision making from then in exchange for certain bankers affecting the German war effort. Bush snr only taking half the country and leaving Hussein in power was another way of treading water-suspending opportunity- for a more advantagious day/plan.
The Bottem line is the borrower (Britain and the US) is servant of the lender and no country or people can be allowed to be greater than Israel in the middle east and the US citizens better get that through their delarious heads. The only reason they being stronger than Israel are based in the middle east is because they are there as servants, it is their privilage to become radiation cabbages for the Zionists, and when that day is fininshed, so are they. The Americans will drop softly to their kneees....
The Bushes wore black before the Pope all in white, the tradition of subordination, which perhaps explains why Dubya wore a black scull cap at the wall- submission to Israel. Oh the privileges of being a puppet.

The Democide dimension: it was never appropriate to become common knowledge because
A the jews needed the limelight regardijng suffering even though it is a racial distortion of history and a denigration of the others who suffered war crimes- making others a double wammy.
B the true story of the war has yet to be told to the general public, who are only starting to wake up to things after the holywood type production on Sept 11. The rot and the propoganda to deguise it had already set in before WW2.
C The image of the Allies, the good guys fighting the bad guys and saving the free world, has been crucial as it is the false
image that forms the backdrop to disguise the invasions of jugoslavia, Afgha. and Iraq and the war crimes and the propoganda that has other counties on hold for future extensions.

What the Germans and Russian have been through in the last century, while their "leaders" strutted the stage under controlled media propoganda, the abuse of power and the treatment of the
"those who are not for us are against us" cant but happen to the rest of the world because there is nothing in the way and the stage is set. One would hope they (Germans and Russians) havent been so mutated that they cant recognise it again and conform.
Otherwise if there are any problems I would suggest they are logistical mainly. eg The Organisation of American States is merely trying to sort out logistical problems in Ven-la.
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 08:37 AM

Presid. Carter, a morte obscure individual was if I remember
correctly a member of the Trilateral Commission, so he was a
member of one the bigger insider groups as was bound to get his
turn at some Lion award.

Wizard of Oz = The Crown Temple

A must read for you guys. Want to know who the blood of the British and the US has flowed for:

http://www.worldnews...rown_Temple.htm
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 10:38 AM

Bader; *The legal system (judiciary) of the U.S.A. is controlled by the Crown Temple from the independent and sovereign City of London. The private Federal Reserve System, which issues fiat U.S. Federal Reserve Notes, is financially owned and controlled by the Crown from Switzerland, the home and legal origin for the charters of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and most importantly, the Bank of International Settlements. Even Hitler respected his Crown bankers by not bombing Switzerland. The Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland controls all the central banks of the G7 nations. He who controls the gold rules the world.*

Thank you Bader that you finally agree with me on what is behind greatness of Swiss cooperation, and what let Swiss to stay untouched in WWII and day after
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 11:10 AM

Donq/Bader;
*Carter is wolf in sheep's clothing; Chavez is wolf in sheep's clothing; Bush is wolf in wolf's clothing... * Three cheers, someone has finally spoken out- Putin and after
the Iraq proper elections we should hear the same call for reparations to be paid by the US and British taxpayers to rebuild Iraq.
That would sober up the carnval money spinner racket of election time, if it started before the elections.*

__________________ The decisions are supposed to be based on what is written in legal briefs and spoken at oral argument. Nothing that happens outside the court record is supposed to matter.

On the night of April 28, CBS's ``60 Minutes II'' aired photographs of grinning U.S. soldiers sexually humiliating prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, setting off a still- unfolding scandal.
Just hours before the photographs aired, lawyers debated this question before the Supreme Court: Does the executive branch have the authority, unfettered by courts, to jail terrorism suspects for as long as it wants?
If so, ``What is it that would be a check against torture?'' Treaty obligations and U.S. military law, Clement said.
`Mild Torture'
``Suppose the executive says, `Mild torture, we think, will help get this information''' from prisoners, Ginsburg continued, according to a transcript. ``Some systems do that to get information.''
``Well, our executive doesn't,'' Clement stated.
``Is it just up to the goodwill of the executive?'' Ginsburg asked. ``Is there any judicial check?''
Not much, Clement answered. ``You have to trust the executive to make the kind of quintessential military judgments that are involved.''
Ah, trust.
``When you take his argument at core, it is, `Trust us,''' ``We didn't trust the executive branch when we founded this government,'' . Because of that, American inmates have always had the legal right to challenge their imprisonments.
Checks and Balances
Yes, the checks and balances built into the American system are Clement's first problem.
His second problem is that the Abu Ghraib photos show what can happen when people think they have free rein over inmates.
``That's what I was talking about,'' ``You can't trust them.''
Now we know that prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan have been beaten, even killed, during interrogations by U.S. soldiers. We know that aggressive interrogation techniques -- techniques we would call mild torture if applied to our own people -- were specifically allowed by the U.S. military in some circumstances.
Two days after the Supreme Court heard argument in their cases, as the Abu Ghraib photographs were sinking in,.
`Horrific' Consequences
``When you're deciding something in the abstract, when it's a cold, legal principle, it's one thing,'' says Mary Cheh, a George Washington University law professor. It's quite another ``when you see that the consequences can be so horrific.''
On April 20, the justices heard argument on whether the U.S. can indefinitely hold some 600 foreign nationals at a military camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, because of suspected ties to al-Qaeda or the Taliban.
This week, it was the administration's turn to inject reality into legal theory.
Declassified Documents
Influencing the Justices
Comey said he sought for months to declassify this information. Was he doing this to send a message to the justices, reporters asked at the Tuesday press conference?
``I'm not doing this to influence the Supreme Court case, which I assume is over,'' In fact, the justices have voted on the outcome and what remains is the opinion writing.
Besides, in a legal sense, the new disclosures are irrelevant to the government's case. The administration is arguing that it doesn't have to prove to anyone that Padilla was a danger. (Intercepts) from
Ann Woolner in Atlanta at awoolner@bloomberg.net.
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 11:33 AM

Reagan was for a long time a Democrat. Frank Mankiewicz told Reagan biographer Lou Cannon that Los Angeles Democrats considered asking Reagan to run for Congress in 1952 but deemed him ``too liberal.'' Meanwhile, Reagan began giving speeches as a Democrat for former Republican President Dwight Eisenhower.
As host of television's ``General Electric Theater'' in the 1950s, he began traveling to GE plants as a spokesman, honing a speech praising the benefits of the private sector over big government. By 1964, Reagan was California co-chairman of Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater's Republican presidential campaign. He became California's governor in 1966.

``Both presidents Bush learned a great deal from Ronald Reagan,'' said former President George H.W. Bush, referring to himself and his son, President George W. Bush. The elder Bush served as vice president under Reagan, Intercepts from Kristin Jensen kjensen@Bloomberg.net
chameleon is any member of the reptile family Chamaeleontidae, a group of Old World, primarily tree-dwelling lizards characterized chiefly by their ability to change body colour; by zygodactylous toes (i.e., fused into opposed bundles of two and three); acrodont dentition (i.e., teeth attached to the jaw edge); and a long, slender, extensile tongue. http://www.britannic...=chamaeleon&ct=

Who said about multiparty system in US ha, ha ha. ?
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 07:46 PM

Gaddafi Regrets Reagan Died Without Facing Trial

Reagan ordered the April 15, 1986, air strikes in response to a disco bombing in West Berlin that killed three people and Washington blamed Libya for the blast.
Libya said more than 40 people died in the strikes on Tripoli and Benghazi. The targets included Gaddafi's home, where his 15-month-old adopted daughter died.
Reporting Reagan's death, JANA simply referred to him as former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's partner "in the unsuccessful American-Atlantic" on Gaddafi's home.
http://news.yahoo.co...an_gaddafi_dc_3

I share Gaddafi opinion about Reagan because Reagan he ordered Economic sanction against Poland and in result of it died many Polish children in result of shortage of medicines.
On Reagan order Denmark, provider of children insuline refused to send it to Poland. Children had only adult version which cause destroying their muscles.

Economic sanction was not the response for any Polish action against US only US didn
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Posted 06 June 2004 - 11:54 PM

What will Reagan be most remembered for?

Hard line against the Soviet Union 61%

Economic policy and tax cuts 22%

Iran-Contra affair 7%

Rejuvenating Republican Party 10%

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Posted 07 June 2004 - 02:04 AM

The best check and balance in a democracy is the people but the
games of playing on authorities inside and outside the Justice Dpt,
games played like "mild" torchure and playing around with definitions and who said or ordered what in the media keeps the people entertained while the show goes on just the same.
Thats all the election will do as well.
The allegations and propoganda that came out of Sept 11 from
which two countries were invaded, the threat they were supposedly addressing is far less even if it was real than what they have done themselves yet the nations in the main just let it all go one as though the allegations and propoganda and lies were true.
If it all turns to sticky smelly stuff it will hurt the developed countries most. Supermarkets will empty out in a matter of days,
much of the world lives closer to nature and they are used to
going without/making do.
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Posted 07 June 2004 - 01:37 PM

The 1995 Oscar-winning movie is Braveheart, in which Mel Gibson plays an ancient Scot who fights the English and corrupt nobles to free his people.
To Americans, it might seem far removed from Iraq, but insurgents attacking U.S. forces and Iraqis aiding them, cited Braveheart as his role model for a similar cause of "freedom" and "hope."
Now I see that US follow the German philosopher Nietzsche with Polish background who says; there is no objectivity only subjectivity; there are no facts only interpretations and try to convince the Braveheart admirers that he can win freedom by backing the new government and laying down his arms against the foreign invader.ha, ha ha. :)
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