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#3081 donquijote

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 07:16 AM

<Norwegian rightwing party leader Jan Simonsen, has nominated Bush ( I think this included blair) for a nobel peace prize, for toppling Hussein and reducing the threat of WMD!>

I think they better deserve the "Hypocrite Medal." We can even hand one to Jan Simonsen...;)

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=81385
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 11:50 AM

Bader;* I see in Britain there is UK independant party- that wants to reverse out of the UE, which did well out of the recent elections.
Probably not a likely anticipated outcome of the Bush Crusade*.


Bader you are wrong , see the clue;

Donq; *Norwegian rightwing party leader Jan Simonsen, has nominated Bush ( I think this included blair) for a nobel peace prize, for toppling Hussein and reducing the threat of WMD!>*

Swedish foreign minister helped the Albanians criminals*
Denmark is shelter for Chechnya
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:08 PM

Donq; I wonder about his (Walesa) comments on Polish losses in Iraq

Walesa sent Polish soldiers on Clinton call to Haiti, so he was first who provided the slave contingent .
Polish losses are minimal, practically only one Polish soldier and one Polish Algerian cameraman who was forced to go because he knew Arabic.

Two others were private contractors , nobody cries for them, and king of TV propaganda, master of BS on Kursk, Chechenia etc.
I also think he had foreign sponsor.
Walesa rather worries that one of his seventh children Jaroslaw , didn
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:59 PM

Bader ; You live in illusion of UK independence.
UK elected Blair knowing that he is opposes EU military-planning staff independent of the Atlantic alliance............

U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair rejects the Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt as president of the European Commission and is seeking allies in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe to oppose the Belgian,.....
Germany, which with France formed the core of the original six-nation EU in 1958, ``very clearly'' backs Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt as president of the European Commission , , , Verhofstadt further angered Blair by organizing a summit with Germany, France and Luxembourg to sketch an EU military-planning staff that would be independent of the Atlantic alliance.
France and Germany later retreated from an open breach with Britain and the U.S. by consenting to Blair's insistence on EU military planning within the NATO umbrella......

Resistance to a more united EU -- and to Britain's allying with U.S. President George W. Bush in Iraq -- sank Blair's Labour party to 22.3 percent of the vote in the EU parliamentary vote.

Deadlock over Verhofstadt might lead to the emergence of a compromise candidate such as European Parliament President Pat Cox, EU External Affairs Commissioner Chris Patten, Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel , EU Justice Commissioner Antonio Vitorino , EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana .
Other contenders are Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy , Patten ) and Ahern . Intercepts from;
James G. Neuger at jneuger@bloomberg.net

I can bet that Solana will get UK vote, he is criminal responsible for help for US in its *democratic* and *human rights *war
on Yugoslavia.
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 01:33 PM

<Probably not a likely anticipated outcome of the Bush Crusade*.>

Bush Crusade may have had some unintended--unless they were intended--consequences...;)

Iraq Is Not World War II
by Charles V. Pe?a

Charles V. Pe?a is the director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute and a member of a Cato Institute Special Task Force that produced the report "Exiting Iraq: Why the U.S. Must End the Military Occupation and Renew the War Against Al Qaeda."

In his commencement speech to the 2004 graduating class of the U.S. Air Force Academy, President Bush likened the war on terrorism to World War II, comparing 9/11 to Pearl Harbor. "The Middle East will set the course of our current struggle," said Bush, we are fighting "the war on terror in Iraq." But even implying that Iraq is like the Second World War ignores history and shows that the president continues to confuse and conflate Iraq with al Qaeda.

The Japanese attacked the United States on December 7, 1941, and the other Axis powers -- Germany and Italy -- consequently declared war on America. Al Qaeda attacked the United States on September 11, 2001, not Iraq. In fact, none of the attackers were Iraqis. Both Nazi Germany and imperial Japan were capable military powers with demonstrated designs on dominating world power and a clear threat to the United States. Their victory would have consigned key economic and strategic regions of the world to the control of hostile, anti-American regimes, which would have isolated the United States and made our security fragile.

Iraq under Saddam was a third-rate power with only limited capabilities to pose a threat in its own neighborhood. Iraq was not a credible threat to the United States and certainly was not a candidate for global hegemony. So any comparison of Iraq to World War II is absurd.

(snip)

What the Bush administration never understood is that they gave the terrorists their victory when the United States invaded Iraq. We confirmed the radicals' claim that America is invading the heart of Islam. The question is whether we give them an even bigger victory -- at greater cost to us -- by staying longer.

We can leave now on our terms and refocus our attention and resources on the real threat to America, al Qaeda. Or we can run the risk of being forced to leave at a later date under conditions that make our defeat inescapable.

http://www.cato.org/...s/06-16-04.html

<All of these are indicate that UK, Scandinavians and Eastern Europe are the dogs in American Bush Dogs Sledge Crusade.>

I see. Do they still have those political shows, I think called the Noble Peace Prize?:D
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 01:43 PM

Donq; *What the Bush administration never understood is that they gave the terrorists their victory when the United States invaded Iraq. We confirmed the radicals' claim that America is invading the heart of Islam. The question is whether we give them an even bigger victory -- at greater cost to us -- by staying longer.*
Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic called on judges Thursday to order former U.S. President Bill Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to testify at his Hague war crimes trialhttp://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=SZSOFP44RQ0I4CRBAEZSFEY?type=topNews&storyID=5447623
"Please issue an order that they have to appear as witnesses here,"
Pentagon: Military Hid Iraq Prisoner from Red Crosshttp://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5446790

Should we expect Justice in the world where Jew is the God?
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 01:49 PM

<Stop picking on the lion, blame the oil.

I didnt find any oil mentioned in Nicaragua that went with the poverty.
I havent found any reports on poverty in Iraq under Hussein.
Maybe that is what Bush and Co are really doing: taking that bad oil of everyone for their own good. They must be good guys afterall.>

No, Bader. Oil is the main food source to the lion. You cannot attack the lion by feeding him! What oil does is concentrate wealth in the hands of a few without ever giving a chance to comprehensive development. The same thing happened in Venezuela. They had to import even the most basic foodstuffs.:confused:

Nicaragua though belongs to another class of second rate banana republics. Perhaps closer to Afghanistan than to oil rich countries. Both Nicaragua and Afghanistan were "won" from communism, only to be abandoned to their own fate. In the second case it brew the Talibans and terrorism.

The lion is the lion, but his food source is oil...;)
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 01:59 PM

<Can anyone imagine a motion being put to the UN general assembly to condemn the Coalition leaders and demand reparation for the crimes against humanity and the use of nuclear weapons (DU)?>

The law of the jungle requires that you find some lesser lion to blame for the evils of the world. The big lions then appear to be defending the general stability and peace of the jungle.
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 02:09 PM

<*....U.S. Lawyers Use Legalisms to Cover Lawlessness:
The law ``should prevent us from falling into our base instincts,'' , it should embody ``the highest goals of humankind.''

The law did neither in the hands of civilian lawyers at the Pentagon, the Justice Department and the White House, who twisted it into pretzels to reach the astonishing conclusion that the president doesn't have to obey the law if he wants to order torture.>

You didn't copy right. It should have said, "the Law of the Jungle implies that you get your enemies by whatever means before they get you.":D
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 02:12 PM

<Good example of human rights and democracy for Fidel Castro:)>

Castro must be very happy with it and says, "If you do what you want, I'll do how I please...";)
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 02:14 PM

<It will start with attack on Iran ;
Outcome;
Germany will be concern because its oil shortage?
Russia will be concern because money spent on Iran nuclear energy system?
China will enclosed on Taiwan ?
North Korea will fuse with the South Korea?

It looks like it might be the great fun. :)>

You just sit back and enjoy it on CNN...;)
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 03:35 PM

Pretty fair definition of politics nowadays, ain't it?;)

"In a political jungle, being law abiding is a taboo; decency is sinful and integrity becomes a fairly used material unpurchasable by the politically affluent. Warders act as prisoners and policemen behave as criminals. Professionals throw overboard all forms of morality and decency about manifested things and religious lords behave as if they are the Worshipped and the Adored. In that jungle, while the rulers see themselves as conquerors, the masses consider themselves - and behave - as slaves who have no right whatsoever to question the authority or otherwise of their lords. Magicians take over the religious affairs of the country, soothing the temperament of those they love and economic sycophants indulge in doctrinal heresy and personal hypocrisy in driving the socio-economic wheel. One of the end-results, such as the one we now have on our hands, is that the turf becomes free for political hoodlums who see in power an opportunity to achieve selfish motives."

http://allafrica.com...0406170222.html
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Posted 17 June 2004 - 05:19 PM

Will Bush ever be put on trial? Nah, that's the fate of the losers. Hussein may have been slow to realize that in this world you better cooperate with the big lions, or else have big paws and teeth...:confused:

"There are two unpleasant alternatives: either Mr. Bush knew he was not telling the truth, or he has a capacity for politically motivated self-deception that is terrifying in the post-9/11 world."

[Notice how the establishment--The New York Times--is getting scared of Bush.];)

The Plain Truth
(source The NYT, Editorials)

It's hard to imagine how the commission investigating the 2001 terrorist attacks could have put it more clearly yesterday: there was never any evidence of a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, between Saddam Hussein and Sept. 11.

Now President Bush should apologize to the American people, who were led to believe something different.

Of all the ways Mr. Bush persuaded Americans to back the invasion of Iraq last year, the most plainly dishonest was his effort to link his war of choice with the battle against terrorists worldwide. While it's possible that Mr. Bush and his top advisers really believed that there were chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in Iraq, they should have known all along that there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. No serious intelligence analyst believed the connection existed; Richard Clarke, the former antiterrorism chief, wrote in his book that Mr. Bush had been told just that.

Nevertheless, the Bush administration convinced a substantial majority of Americans before the war that Saddam Hussein was somehow linked to 9/11. And since the invasion, administration officials, especially Vice President Dick Cheney, have continued to declare such a connection. Last September, Mr. Bush had to grudgingly correct Mr. Cheney for going too far in spinning a Hussein-bin Laden conspiracy. But the claim has crept back into view as the president has made the war on terror a centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

On Monday, Mr. Cheney said Mr. Hussein "had long-established ties with Al Qaeda." Mr. Bush later backed up Mr. Cheney, claiming that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist who may be operating in Baghdad, is "the best evidence" of a Qaeda link. This was particularly astonishing because the director of central intelligence, George Tenet, told the Senate earlier this year that Mr. Zarqawi did not work with the Hussein regime.

The staff report issued by the 9/11 panel says that Sudan's government, which sheltered Osama bin Laden in the early 1990's, tried to hook him up with Mr. Hussein, but that nothing came of it.

This is not just a matter of the president's diminishing credibility, although that's disturbing enough. The war on terror has actually suffered as the conflict in Iraq has diverted military and intelligence resources from places like Afghanistan, where there could really be Qaeda forces, including Mr. bin Laden.

Mr. Bush is right when he says he cannot be blamed for everything that happened on or before Sept. 11, 2001. But he is responsible for the administration's actions since then. That includes, inexcusably, selling the false Iraq-Qaeda claim to Americans. There are two unpleasant alternatives: either Mr. Bush knew he was not telling the truth, or he has a capacity for politically motivated self-deception that is terrifying in the post-9/11 world.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:50 AM

<As long as the United States continues to act as a global aggressor, the best way for us to stay healthy is to stay as far away as from Americans as possible.
http://www.globeandm...O15/Comment/Idx>

Woj, thanks for the article. Very nice advice for you health...;)
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:53 AM

< Americans love fredom but only for themselves. >

"The world is divided into two camps: all who abhor freedom, because they only want it for themselves, are in one; those who love freedom, and want it for all, are in another"
-Jose Marti (1853-95)
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 10:38 AM

Where did you get that illusion from Woj that I was under an illusion about UK independance?

I have said they are controlled by the City of L and like the US are serving the lender around the world.
I last said the UK was more likely to be compliant than Argentina.
I did mention the new UK Independant Party which suddenly surfaced with just under 20% of the vote I think it was, but I
havent suggested anywhere the UK are independant. They are Robin following Batman around.

Whats the issue with the Belgium Prime minister Verhofstadt?
Is it over the issue of NATO minus the US? IF the UE is dumping the US dollar, no point in having them around, not to mention the
likely backlash from extremists after what they have done in Iraq but then that goes for Britain as well and a few others like Poland.

Charles Pera of the Cato Institute:
typical intellectual logic applied to the virtual reality of the establishment.

Should we expect justice in the world where Jew is God?
No justice for jews either. The full and true story about the second world war is yet to come out.

Lions food sourse = oil. Doesnt come anywhere near money/debt. As debt grows bigger the oil is being used up.


THe Plain Truth (New York Times)

hypercrits, they wouldnt know truth if it was the only sourse of income. They run with the hair and hunt with the hounds.

they pick on a lesser issue and trivialise the whole issue while
acting like they were protecting society.

looks like they might do to Bush what they did to Hussein, back him and later betray him. The call it a bob each way. It is also messing with peoples minds.

The world is dividing into two camps:
those who have never known freedom and those who used to know it.
Bader (2004- 1847)

Will Bush ever be put on trial? Yeah in November.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 12:12 PM

Bader; *Will Bush ever be put on trial? Yeah in November.*
it is only dream : Read this:

The U.S. Senate on Thursday voted to confirm Alan Greenspan for a fifth and final term as chairman of the Federal Reserve, clearing him to serve at the U.S. central bank into 2006.
The Senate backed Greenspan's renomination by voice vote without opposition just days before his fourth term was set to expire.
Greenspan, 78, took the helm of the central bank in 1987, when he was tapped to serve an unexpired term as a member of the Fed's board by then-President Ronald Reagan.
He was renominated once by former President George Bush, the current president's father, and twice by former President Bill Clinton. The current President Bush nominated him for a final stint leading the Fed a month ago.
Greenspan's overwhelming backing in the Senate -- a foregone deal after Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry made his support clear -- is a testament to both his political and economic prowess.
Under the law, Fed board members can only serve one full term, and the chairman must be chosen from their ranks.
Greenspan could, however, continue to serve past January 2006 if not replaced by that time.
http://www.reuters.c...storyID=5453576
Sen. John Kerry made his support clear --
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 12:43 PM

""After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," Putin told reporters.

Putin's comments come after President Bush was forced to defend his charge that there had been links between Saddam and al Qaeda that partly justified the U.S.-led invasion. http://www.reuters.c...storyID=5457218

It would be only support to my opinion that not only I but also Putin sees US-Arab wars as a blessing for Slavs.
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:26 PM

Can be democracy without knowledge of the facts?

Blair '' says Britain is joined by Italy, Poland, Slovenia, Greece and Portugal in holding out against Verhofstadt.
Rejected Belgian Verhofstadt sought to block NATO aid for Turkey during the Iraq war, has called for a four-day workweek .
Patten, the commissioner in charge of external relations, has coordinated EU relief packages for Afghanistan and Iraq.
He was nominated yesterday by the EU-wide group of conservative parties known as the European People's Party, which remained the strongest force in the European Parliament after last week's elections.
James G. Neuger at jneuger@bloomberg.net

Blair '' says Britain is joined by Poland is a joke. Belka has no votum of trust from Polish Parliament and Polish society is completely uninform about what is going on in Brussels .
It is time to stop Media irresponsibility. Media should start to be legally responsible not only what they say but also what they are putting out of sight.
Omission is not the truth .
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 01:47 PM

<Lions food sourse = oil. Doesnt come anywhere near money/debt. As debt grows bigger the oil is being used up.>

Howdy Bader
OK, let's put this way, What the lion can't live without, oil or debt? Can you imagine 50 millions cars--half of the total--becoming useless junk? Can you imagine the oil multinationals crashing?

This would sure be deadly blow to the dinosaur, though he could survive it--if he EVOLVED, something which he has refused to do so far.

Anyways we can look at it as oil being REAL FOOD while debt being VIRTUAL FOOD, the way a credit card is virtual money. However you put it though we are before a hungry lion...;)

<hypercrits, they wouldnt know truth if it was the only sourse of income. They run with the hair and hunt with the hounds.

they pick on a lesser issue and trivialise the whole issue while
acting like they were protecting society.

looks like they might do to Bush what they did to Hussein, back him and later betray him. The call it a bob each way. It is also messing with peoples minds.>

They always do, but their importance comes from coming from within the monster. You can never expect them to be as frank and open as we are, can we?;)

<Will Bush ever be put on trial? Yeah in November.>

Hardly, the "jury" will be ignorant of the issues, and even if they pick the wrong president, the judge can still decide on the verdict, just as it happened in the last elections.:confused:
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