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#3101 donquijote

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:19 PM

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 02:42 PM

"In asserting that torture is justified by 'necessity and self-defence', the Bush Administration has embraced the doctrine that the ends justify the means and that the law of the jungle should override the rule of law. Unless the morally bankrupt administrations of Bush, Blair and Howard are removed, we will all have become terrorists."

Another chance to get rid of the predators. Well, not much of a chance, but you know what I mean..;)

Stage set for David and Goliath battle
The Sun-Herald

Fasten your seatbelts, the upcoming election campaign is going to be a bumpy ride, Margo Kingston writes.

OK, it's Howard and Bush v Latham at the federal election. Howard's 2004 replica of his fear-and-anxiety 2001 Tampa victory is "Vote for me or the Yanks will abandon us".

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John Richardson in Sydney: "In asserting that torture is justified by 'necessity and self-defence', the Bush Administration has embraced the doctrine that the ends justify the means and that the law of the jungle should override the rule of law. Unless the morally bankrupt administrations of Bush, Blair and Howard are removed, we will all have become terrorists."

Get the picture? This election will be wild, maybe the wildest since 1975. It's the most important election in my lifetime. Are we prepared to insist on our independence and demand to be treated by America as a friend, not a slave? Does always saying yes to the United States mean that we can never say no?

Fasten your seatbelts for the "Never-say-no-to-the-Yanks-or-else" election.

http://www.smh.com.a...l?oneclick=true
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Posted 18 June 2004 - 04:25 PM

How would you describe the economy now?

Booming (13%)
Growing (64%)
Stagnating (21%)
Contracting (2%)

http://discussions.w...e=4&submit=Vote

Why would be the Americans criticize the Bush or war?
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:51 AM

< Why would be the Americans criticize the Bush or war?>

When the lion eats he leaves the scraps for the rest of the animals, and those who most eat are happier than the rest. Actually the ones at the bottom of the food chain are rather hurt by the endless wars of the lion, but got little say in the matter.

Meanwhile the little animals in other jungles are mad at this state of affairs and discontent is growing. I don't see the happy ending anywhere in sight though...:confused:
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 12:32 PM

Donq; *Meanwhile the little animals in other jungles are mad at this state of affairs and discontent is growing. I don't see the happy ending anywhere in sight though... *


Problem is that Bush plays to US society demands; Bush is and does what Americans want him to be and do.
Americans like very much US president image of guy who rules the world, even if he is only the spreading the trouble.
I was astonished reading the American letter to Pravda, appreciating alleged Bush intention to hit Chinese hydropower station, and other things
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 12:56 PM

In result of controversial Bush games , world creates the new or renews the old alliances.

*The presidents of China, Russia and four Central Asian nations met Thursday to breathe life into a security alliance and open an anti-terrorism center, part of efforts by Beijing and Moscow to counter the U.S. military presence in the region. To ensure China is also heard, President Hu Jintao offered $900 million in credit to alliance countries, which include Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. The exact terms of the loans, intended to boost economic cooperation, weren't immediately disclosed. Karzai joined the talks as a guest, and Putin called for a contact group to be established between the alliance and Afghanistan. http://story.news.ya...ecurity_summit*


Stupidity may lead to positive outcome. :)
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 01:36 PM

<Unfortunately for Americans, fascination of US role as a demolishing team might not play well in the planned to flatten down the world.>

Good analogy. When it comes to environmental damage and war, we can think of America as a steamroller...;)
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 04:41 PM

"This cage-a combination of national debt peonage and free-market fundamentalist policies-destroys human lives as assuredly as it wipes out plants and wildlife, often pitting the most exploited people against the environment."

Nature predators surely pale by comparison with these new lions...;)

Turn of the Screw
by David Moberg
In These Times magazine, April 2000

Central African forests that once echoed with the sounds of wildlife are now filled with a "remorseless silence," Chicago Tnbune correspondent Paul Salopek reported recently. "It is the silence of nature drowned out by the babble of human overpopulation," he wrote of his recent journey to Cameroon, describing roads penetrating once-pristine forests and local hunters peddling "bush meat" in the cities.

The worldwide threat to wildlife and ecosystems that support them is increasingly catastrophic. Since the industrialized countries have obliterated many of their wild places, most of the last great spans of wilderness are located in less-developed countries. While the chainsaws of industrial loggers and the machinery of miners and oil drillers account for much of the damage in the remaining forests, poor people-desperate for land-wreak havoc as well.

But the problem is less the "babble of human overpopulation" than the brutality of the global economic system that entraps countries like Cameroon. This cage-a combination of national debt peonage and free-market fundamentalist policies-destroys human lives as assuredly as it wipes out plants and wildlife, often pitting the most exploited people against the environment.
Cameroon became entrapped when it sank deeper in debt as the price of its oil exports dropped sharply after 1982. It turned for help in 1988 to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, which loaned money but demanded policies that led to currency devaluation, budget cuts, privatization of public services and widespread hardship. Under the IMF regime, meager education spending stagnated, incomes declined and the debt burden more than doubled. Cameroon was classified as a Heavily Indebted Poor Country (HIPC).

In 1994 the IMF pushed Cameroon to rapidly accelerate its timber exports. The number of logging enterprises nearly doubled within a year, and lumber exports grew by 50 percent in the following year. The forests were devastated, but the policies didn't help relieve debt: World lumber prices were dropping, partly because other countries were boosting their logging exports, often under IMF pressure.

Cameroon's experience was not an anomaly. Although the HIPC designation was part of a plan to boost these national economies, in most cases HlPCs' debt burdens increased, spending on education and health declined, poverty worsened and the environment was ravaged. A Friends of the Earth analysis of U.N. data shows that the loss of forest was 50 percent greater in HlPCs.

Like many countries, Cameroon was sending more money back to rich countries than they were getting in aid: In 1996, according to the debt-relief group Jubilee 2000, Cameroon paid out $2.20 in debt service for every dollar it received in grants. Debt service is now 6 percent of GNP, more than education and health spending combined.

The rich countries have begun to reduce or write off some of the HIPC debt and have proposed that conditions for future loans be more development-oriented. But the process is moving much too slowly. And there is little indication that rich countries are willing to try a new approach that focuses on balanced and sustainable development rather than the quick-fix export of raw materials. Even worse, according to Jubilee 2000, of the 36 HlPCs that were supposed to benefit from a debt relief initiative agreed upon last year, 15 will actually pay more in debt service after they finish going through the HIPC process than they do now.

World Bank President James Wolfensohn has called debt cancellation a "whimsical" idea that would "screw up the market." Yet pursuing the payment of debts from these countries is criminal, "screwing up" the lives of a billion people and devastating the environment. Debt cancellation is a first step toward reviving the economies of these nations in ways that raise living standards and protect ecosystems. The protests at the IMF / World Bank spring meetings this April in Washington will reinforce that message, which has growing support across the political spectrum. For environmentalists, the protests should also be a reminder that it will be impossible to prevent the awful silencing of the forests without first fighting for social justice and new rules for the global economy.

http://www.thirdworl...AfricaDebt.html
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Posted 20 June 2004 - 02:32 AM

I've always wondered about the character of the lion. He eats more than he needs and puts everybody at risk in process. He hates the little animals lifting themselves up. He wants power at the expense of conflict...

He is...a SOCIOPATH.:eek:

Let's see...;)

A sociopath is an individual whose behavior is socially acceptable, and in fact, who appears to be an ideal person. In reality, this individual sees no value in other people except as they may affect his/her own self-gratification.

We think sociopaths are grossly misunderstood by their fellowpersons, and are dedicated to correcting this abberation of human perspective. In keeping with current self-help, feel- good trends, we have gathered together, sociopathically, to

-create awareness of the problem,
-scold society for allowing it to continue unabated,
-whine about the trauma it has caused in our lives,
-seek justice (and perhaps a healthy class-action settlement),
-and to generally behave in sociopathically- acceptable ways.

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STEP PROGRAM FOR SOCIOPATHS
(Twelve steps, modeled after AA, definitely without permission)

1. We admit that we are powerless over our character flaw - that our lives have become unmanageable -- we like it that way.
2. We have come to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity -- but we don't care.
3. We have made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God or Society, as we understand Him/Her/Them -- if we trusted them more than we trusted our own judgement and responsibility.
4. We have made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves -- and have found nothing wrong.
5. We have admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being(?) the exact nature of our wrongs -- perfection.
6. We are entirely ready to have God remove all of these defects of character -- (assuming he put them there in the first place?)
7. We humbly [sic] ask Him to remove our shortcomings -- easy job, since there are few.
8. We have made a list of all persons we have harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all -- by getting out of their lives.
9. We will make direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others -- (see number 8)
10. We will continue to take personal inventory and when we are wrong promptly admit it -- however, other people will surely take on this responsiblity for us.
11. We have sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understand Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out -- daddy replacement?
12. Having had this spiritual awakening as a result of these Steps, we will carry this message to other Sociopaths, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

http://hypocrisytoday.com/index.htm

I for one would grant them point 8 in order to keep 'em away from my life...;)
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Posted 20 June 2004 - 09:15 AM

..grossly misunderstood ....dedicated to correcting this abberation
of human perspective...


What was the information the Russians gave the US, Putin referred to Woj?

Nations like the Camaroons borrowing from the "mafia" banksters and the result is well documented for several decades yet the "leaders" still all go cap in hand and steal a portion for themselves and their relatives and the world is expected to feel sorry for their victims.
Both the corrupt lender and the corrupt borrower are ''misunderstood'' and ''are dedicated to correcting'' any image or accusation that is dishonourable- put the blame elsewhere.
Amazing, country after country, neighbours to one another, same problems, even members of the UN created to bring peace and wellbeing to humanity but it wont recognise the problem just like the war on Iraq, and key players on both sides of the
counter, both in govt and in state bureacracy are the product of the best universities the world has to offer, and the lower class of the jungle are supposed to have bleeding hearts for justice for the victims.
MObergs account shows how un-innocent the whole international banking practice is. Whats the difference between what he describes morally and hwat the UN and US and Britain did to Iraq for 12 years?
Same lion.
See why we have nationalist movements to try and escape the hangmans noose.
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Posted 20 June 2004 - 11:53 AM

Kofi Annan is against a U.S. bid to renew American peacekeepers' immunity from war crimes prosecution, and Security Council opposition to the measure appeared to be growing.

Annan urged the SC council not to shield American peacekeepers, citing the recent abuse of Iraq prisoners by U.S. forces.
Washington does not have the minimum nine votes of support on the 15-member council to approve the resolution, which would renew American immunity from prosecution by the International Criminal Court for a third year.
China, France, Germany, Spain, Brazil and Chile already said they would abstain on a new exemption, and Romania and Benin indicated they were likely to join them.
Algeria's U.N. Ambassador Abdallah Baali said his country
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Posted 20 June 2004 - 12:19 PM

<Nations like the Camaroons borrowing from the "mafia" banksters and the result is well documented for several decades yet the "leaders" still all go cap in hand and steal a portion for themselves and their relatives and the world is expected to feel sorry for their victims.>

Howdy Bader
We should feel sorry for the victims 'cause they are only victims. The little people all over the world are mostly victims, and if there's a crime is that of indifference...:confused:

<Both the corrupt lender and the corrupt borrower are ''misunderstood'' and ''are dedicated to correcting'' any image or accusation that is dishonourable- put the blame elsewhere.>

No, we know the blame lies with the big lions AND the little lions who work together in the prey through institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank. And they are preying not only on the little people but also on the sustenance on which we--as well as the lion himself--depend. The stupid hungry beast goes on a rampage...:(

<See why we have nationalist movements to try and escape the hangmans noose.>

We too are chipping in, aren't we?;)
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Posted 20 June 2004 - 01:05 PM

donq; *psychological profile of the lion
I've always wondered about the character of the lion. He eats more than he needs and puts everybody at risk in process. He hates the little animals lifting themselves up. He wants power at the expense of conflict...He is...a SOCIOPATH. *


Donq; Your a SOCIOPATH is nothing else that our Polish *oportunista* and fr. opportuniste.
Word old as world, means person using circumstances to its own benefit, person respecting legality but not morality.
It is funny that English word with the same core; opportunist; means entrepreneur , investor, speculator trailblazer , pioneer .

Fact that what in French is negativity in English it has positive meaning, is no coincidence .

Best medicine for SOCIOPATH or opportuniste is wide grow of nationalist parties.
They will eliminate the social sores on countries bodies. Nationalism is the solution. Slavs unite!:)
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 08:03 AM

It was disgraceful that immunity as granted to the US in the first place. It was obvious they had intent up their sleave to ask for it in the first place, why else?
89 countries. No people are safe anymore, any people can become Iraqis or Palestinians. Not only zionists have made Hitler a hero but the world is following by default.
But we can expect this because peace can only come through justice, clearly the nations dont want justice and therefore there can be no peace. The goal of the lion is formal global authority
not peace. The absence of peace/ hope of peace will be what
will cause the nations to beg for a global authority to bring order.
Justice would bring order- order the lion would have to conform to. So peace cannot be.

I would expect Woj that Saddam wouldnt have given al Qeida
any room because they could have become a threat within Iraq.
Saddam was put in power by the CIA and he would have been
aware/able to read/ of the involvement of Mossad and CIA in al Qeida formation. Play with a snake , expect to be bitten. His regime was a secular one and supposedly not disposed towards allowing fundamentalists any power in politics.
Attacking Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia which has the reputation of being the worlds biggest funder of terrorism is just as dumb as the build up against Iran regards nuclear issues while they ignore
Pakestan which has and manufactures and sells nuclear warheads.
Saddam nationalised their oil and the Iranians overthrew the Shar
who was allegedly supplying oil free to Israel, so the internationalists had their noses put out of joint twice over.
Govts around the world are just as guilty as the western media of
playing up to the Emporer as though he was wearing clothes
when he walks around naked. In fact 89 have promised they will
deny it if anyone claimed that he ever walked naked in public.
Bush and Blair are very much naked apes at present.

You are right DonQ; I didnt mean that the victim deserve no sympathy, rather that the true and full situation is not presented,
just like the so called terrorist war, soliciting attention, feelings
and responses that are like redhearings.
That Cameroon article shows very clearly that the policy isnt just to bleed nations through debt but to actually to undermine their social infastructure and debase the people. And if govts arent going to play ball then they will be debased by forceful means as
we see in Iraq.
So the lion isnt just a greedy glutton but a scourge like aids.
And I do not believe that the 89 sets of leaders, nor Kofi Annan cannot see what is happening and going to increase, from their vantage point.

The UN is "grossly misunderstood" but is dedicated to maintaining, rather than correcting, the misunderstanding/abberation of perception- a sheep in sheeps clothing.
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 09:33 AM

www.warfolly.vzz.net/whyweneedmarshalllaw.html



Our government is out of control. The elections are rigged. The Congress is completely bought off. The White House administration is a gang of criminals who are stealing the nation blind. There is no proper accountability from any department of government. And the United States is conducting two major wars, irresponsibly squandering the lives of our young people, for reasons that everyone in the world knows are lies. ....

Marshall law now. Military tribunals for Bush, Cheney and the rest of those sick sociopaths...

By John Kaminski

Puts it right on the nose.
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 09:42 AM

www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=7849

Ferguson report, here's the first paragraph-

I have warned for a long time that the Federal Reserve is planning to destroy the U.S. economy by: printing the U.S. dollar in exponentially riskier quantities until it blows off the charts and crashes, and by easing credit and rates until the average individual and corporate debt loads are so enormous that the resulting massive distortions in the economy suddenly bring on an economic heart attack, leaving no possibility of a short or even medium-term recovery. That day is here!
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 10:13 AM

How about a new poll DonQ:

which state ( Iraq and the USA) is the greater victim: The one that knows it or the one that doesnt know it yet?

(what would it take for Russia to be number one? Dont do what number one did.
If a collapse of the US economy brings in an October 1917 revolution globally ((UN)) by the same banksters, who adopt NATO as the global enforcers inheriting the US military hardware,
technology and bases around the world and the middle east, what will be the Russian reaction? That will be a huge test of a number one)
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 02:55 PM

Harvard's Expensive New Course: Fraud 101: by Michael Lewis
) -- Ten days ago, the Wall Street Journal published an article about a man named Gregory Earls, who used his role as a prominent fund-raiser for Harvard University to persuade investors to give him money, much of which he stole, the rest he lost in spectacularly sloppy fashion.
According to the Journal, ``Mr. Earls cultivated important contacts through his work with the Harvard Parents Fund and the Boys & Girls Club of Greater Washington, D.C. -- and used data supplied by Harvard to assess likely investors.''
Karen Fleiss, a Harvard parent and a hedge fund manager, lost $1.7 million; Jonathan Ledecky, a Harvard alum, lost $1.8 million; Peter Ackerman, Harvard parent and professional investor, lost $4.5 million. Before he was nabbed, in late 2001, Earls had run through $13.8 million of other people's money, and many of those other people had Harvard degrees.
It may seem that Harvard graduates are more stupid than graduates of other schools. They are not. They merely are more vulnerable because they have wound themselves into such a tightly knit social group. Unable to imagine one Harvard person ripping off another Harvard person, they are the natural victims of a species of scam known as ``affinity fraud.''
In affinity fraud, the Journal explains, ``victims are lulled into dropping their guard by mutual ties to the same religious organization or ethnic group.''
(The paper does not say whether Harvard should be classified as a religious organization or an ethnic group.) :) mlewis1@bloomberg.net
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Posted 21 June 2004 - 03:14 PM

Bader; @. Attacking Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia which has the reputation of being the worlds biggest funder of terrorism is just as dumb as the build up against Iran regards nuclear issues while they ignorePakestan which has and manufactures and sells nuclear warheads.*
@@. The UN is "grossly misunderstood" but is dedicated to maintaining, rather than correcting, the misunderstanding/abberation of perception- a sheep in sheeps clothing.
@@@. If a collapse of the US economy brings in an October 1917 revolution globally ((UN)) by the same banksters, who adopt NATO as the global enforcers inheriting the US military hardware,
technology and bases around the world and the middle east, what will be the Russian reaction? That will be a huge test of a number one)


Arabs are not identical; Some they more scientists type, some more the woriors.
US attacked Iraqui because they are more peaceful than Saudi Arabs. US/UK didn
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