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#3181 Bader

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Posted 29 June 2004 - 08:24 AM

Well I am not surprised that they are denying the Israelis the
synergism of the Kibbutz, DonQ.

Did you pick up the point recently in someones post that showed synergism is a natural part of nature. The laws of nature in this
shows that the typical economic /financial problems that flow over into the social/political areas and the devastation of the environment are because of "crimes" against natural laws and
social equity. If the sum of the effects is greater than the sum of the parts, not only is it providing a safety measure to prevent over use but it clear spells enough for everyone.
So we live in the world of the lie, the elite and the lion.
The debt money system turns this natural law in reverse for the elite. The denying of Tesla's discoveries is another example of
preventing the people from getting what they should have from nature, as you have pointed out, denying the free things to create captive markets which is the heart of the free market-
captured labour, captured consumers, captured politicians etc.

The boost in interest in nuclear power stations should never have to happen because power can be generated straight out of the earth at virually no cost. Classic case of the elites power of denial. Also makes the Iranian nuclear power issue very much exposed for what it is- it doesnt matter how many more power plants China or India etc will make but Iran cant have one because it will not recognise Israel.

The truth about Israel exposed here (DonQs post) also shows how much the US is becoming a zionist culture/power. The use of terrorism to make gains is the obvious one, so Iraqis can forget about a recovery. And I noted in the Alkazeera site the Turks have just suffered a bombing. Perhaps this is the new generation of Israeli trained Kurds.

Slavs arent amongst the Ashkenazi Woj. I noted on an Israeli site a couple of months ago that the Slavic council what ever they called themselves said life for them was as thirdrate citizens.
So much for the great democracy model of the Middle East.

I didnt get as far as the cartoons DonQ, I hadnt been there before and I was quite amazed at what they had and I was checking through the books they referenced. Some very interesting stuff, noted one which claims the British are in a struggle against the vatican. Tony Blair? Who has expressed an
interest in converting to Catholicism after he leaves office to join his wife!
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Posted 29 June 2004 - 01:41 PM

Think Again: Al Qaeda


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Posted 29 June 2004 - 02:42 PM

Donq; @They came, they saw, they conquered. Now the United States dominates the world. With the rise of the New Age Roman empire, Jonathan Freedland asks how long before the fall?


Charles Krauthammer, argued that Americans should admit the truth and face up to their responsibilities as the undisputed masters of the world. And it wasn't any old empire he had in mind. "The fact is, no country has been as dominant culturally, economically, technologically and militarily in the history of the world since the Roman empire."

But is the comparison apt? Are the Americans the new Romans?

The most obvious similarity is overwhelming military strength. Rome was the superpower of its day
So the US may be more Roman than we realize, with garrisons in every corner of the globe.
But there the similarities only begin. For the US approach to empire looks quintessentially Roman. It's as if the Romans bequeathed a blueprint for how imperial business should be done - and today's Americans follow it religiously.@

One claims responsibility for fall of Roman Empire the Vandals one the Hun tribes . But reason was the shortage of an environmental knowledge. Romans killed themselves by poisonous water coming with lead aqueducts from the mountains streams. Life expectation didn
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Posted 29 June 2004 - 04:00 PM

<Sad the murders in Iraq, only the well off can afford a body guard.
I wonder if there will be another jewish creation like the Russian mafia develop, would be highly likely with political corruption well
established.>

Howdy Bader
That's exactly what the lions do: Get some hyenas to guard them...;)

But they do another thing: Live in guarded compounds where everything is nice and safe, and are clean and green, and the children can play outside, and the artificial lakes abound in big fish--which nobody fishes. That's where the politicians live. And that's why they don't see the jungle...:confused:

Anyways, I propose that POLITICIANS SHOULD LIVE IN THE AREAS THEY RUN. You may start seeing some good things happening.;)
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Posted 29 June 2004 - 04:06 PM

<I didnt get as far as the cartoons DonQ,>

Grab a beer, tea, whatever and enjoy. The latest one about the power transition says it all...:D
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Posted 29 June 2004 - 07:41 PM

Let us forget sovereignty masquerade and start the talk about Iraq oil money
Billions of dollars of Iraqi oil money have gone unaccounted for by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA).
The British charity Christian Aid says that at least $20 billion in oil revenues and other Iraqi funds intended to rebuild the country have disappeared from banks administered by the CPA.
The group says that the U.S.-controlled coalition in Baghdad is handing over power to an Iraqi government without having properly accounted for what it has done with those $20 billion of Iraq's own money.
"Christian Aid believes this situation is in flagrant breach of the UN Security Council resolution that gave control of Iraq's oil revenues and other Iraqi funds to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)," the group said in a statement.
Watchdog groups have complained before about the opaque nature of the CPA's handling of Iraqi money and the lack of transparency by U.S. and Iraqi officials.
U.N. Resolution 1483 of May 2003 says that Iraq's oil revenues should be paid into the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI), that the money be spent in the interests of the Iraqi people, and that it be independently audited.
The group compared the lack of audits of Iraqi oil money to the abundant information on the $18.4 billion of U.S. taxpayer funds being spent in Iraq..
In its report, Christian Aid called on the Treasury Department, the U.S. agency responsible for pushing Iraq to privatize its economy and, before that, for confiscating billions of dollars in Iraqi assets worldwide.
Two different CPA documents give different figures for oil revenues through the end of May.
One says Iraq earned $10 billion, while another cites $11.5 billion for the same period.
Christian Aid says it attempted its own calculation of Iraq's oil revenues using publicly available figures and came up with 13 billion dollars.
Groups critical of the lack of transparency in the CPA's spending have been particularly angry that the authority is using Iraqi money to pay for questionable contracts ...
(Inter Press Service)
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#3187 Bader

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Posted 30 June 2004 - 11:01 AM

"...not a natural result of religion... but outcome of the debt system... equally long..."

Debt is money-powers weapon Woj.

The strawberries grown in Egypt that was mentioned as an example of what disturbed Osama is a case of debt repayments coming before the welfare of the Egyption children.
There have been much worse cases in Africa which takes in starvatiuon and malnutrician because of the demands of the IMF.
This crime against humanity the UN doesnt recognise because it was created by money-power. The greatest force for its creation was the zionists behind Roosevelt, the UN legalised the Zionist state condoning the rape of Arab land by terrorism and the key to what the US does overtly and covertly in the UN is based on what is in Israels interest, while zionist propoganda says the UN hates them.

The huge protests against the world economic forums and IMF meetings etc are about the same thing and really the invasion of Iraq and Jugoslavia are just different formats of the same drive.
However most Arab nations are oil rich and the Muslim faith forbids usury so there isnt the penetration of the debt money system in Islam as the rest of the world so Osama isnt moved by this issue in Saudi Arabia but Eygpt and possibly Jordan depends on "western banks". A major outcome of the new Middle east market to be which no doubt the road-map will lead to is about the penetration of debt money banking into Islam to transform the culture, materialise it to breakdown the influence of religion and bring them all under control through debt.
All the rheteric by Bush/US about the need for democracy and freedom is purely a front for the penetration of the Jewish dominated debt money system, privatisation and the outflow of profits into the blackhole of debt to prevent the bubble from bursting- as I said by hook or by crook the beast has to break in
and ravish anything and everything to feed itself.
Because of debt the Fed Reserve owns the US military machine,
so even the US bases and military in lands holy to Muslims still goes back to the money-power empire policy in action.

The ex-President or was it Prime Minister of malasia you referred to
recently WOj, in his so-called anti-semetic speach (Ashkenazis arent semites! but they expoit the semite Jews!!! so who's the real anti-semetics? ) basically told Islam that they are firstly to blame for the power of the Jews and the advantages they create
for themselves that effects Islam, because they could do the same to promote/protect their interests. Too late now, and this has to be one of the reasons for the invasion of Iraq and the Middle East market plan.
They could have had their own major media corporations telling the world the otherside of the story but the Saudis for example invested in the otherside in the US which propped up Israel,
And the same goes for banking, they could have competed to prevent any muslim nation from falling under the IMF or World Bank and expanded out to the rest of the world.
There is no point in Osama attacking the US when the Arab leaders are the first hinderance and in fact it gave the money-power an excuse to invade. I dont believe Osama is that dumb.
He would know that the zionist policy of provoking terrrorism was a major strategy, so why go down that path which is exactly what Sept 11 did when as a rich man he logically should have
gone down the track of the malasian advice.
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Posted 30 June 2004 - 12:13 PM

Bader ; Pliny provided URL http://www.savethemales.ca/260602.html, of the article
Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes URL which is supporting your point of view.

"The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Eustace Mullins
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." ---Thomas Jefferson
In November 1949, Eustace Mullins, 25, was a researcher in Washington DC when friends invited him to visit the famous American poet Ezra Pound, who was confined at St. Elizabeth's Mental Hospital and listed as a "political prisoner."
"The Secrets of the Federal Reserve" proved too hot for any American publisher to handle. It finally appeared in Germany in 1955. Essentially it paints a picture of the world, and the role of the United States
"Notwithstanding the war of independence against England," writes Mullins, "we remained an economic and financial colony of Great Britain." Between 1865 and 1913, he says London bankers led by the Rothschilds used agents such as J.P. Morgan and J.D. Rockefeller to gain control of American industry and organize it into cartels.
Where did these bankers get the money? For over 200 years, European bankers have been able to draw on the credit of their host countries to print it!
In the Seventeenth Century, the moneylenders and the aristocracy made a pact. If the king would make paper currency a liability of the state, the moneylenders would print as much as he liked! Thus the Banks of England, France and the Reichsbank came into being but they were all private corporations and remain so today.
According to this nefarious pact, the moneylenders got to charge interest on assets they created out of thin air.
The bankers have a vested interest in the state (i.e. the people) incurring as much debt as possible. They are behind the Marxist, socialist and liberal movements which call for big government and social spending. They are behind the catastrophic wars of the last century. The Warburgs financed the Bolshevik Revolution. The Bank of England financed the rise of Hitler. Prescott Bush (W's grandfather) was head of Brown Brothers Harriman, which financed the construction of the Nazi war machine.
Naturally if you can create money out of thin air, your first instinct is to buy tangible assets with it. There is a powerful impulse to use debt to control nations and take over their real assets. This is the essence of the so-called Third World Debt crisis. Much of Mullins book is devoted to the subterfuge by which the United States was drawn into its lethal embrace. In 1913, the Owen-Glass Bill gave mostly foreign-controlled banks (posing as "the Federal Reserve") the right to create currency based on the credit of the United States government and to charge it interest for doing it!
To accomplish this, the bankers had to rig the election of 1913 in order to get Woodrow Wilson elected. Mullins explains that the legislation passed just in time for the American people to finance World War One. After maintaining standing armies for 50 years, European powers no longer could afford the luxury of another war. But the U.S. was relatively debt free and made the whole thing possible.
What would WWI have been without Germany? Apparently Germany was not self-sufficient in food and would have had to sit out this war. In the nick of time, the bankers organized something called "The Belgium Relief Committee" which channeled billions of dollars worth of U.S. meat and potatoes not to Belgium but to Germany. When Edith Cavell, an American working in a Belgium hospital pointed this out, British intelligence had the Germans arrest and execute her.
Mullins makes a convincing case that every U.S. President since Wilson has been a lackey of the bankers. Last year alone, the American people paid $360 billion in interest to the bankers. To maintain this massive fraud, the bankers enforce an iron grip on the political and cultural organs of the nation. According to Mullins, "The New York Times" is owned by the Kuhn Loeb while "The Washington Post" is owned by Lazard Freres. In Europe the Rothschilds own Reuters as well as the French and German news services.
The "War on Terror" is part of the banking cabal's plan to consolidate its grip on humanity in a friendly (or not so friendly) fascist "New World Order." They want to secure their political, economic and social grip on the obstreperous Muslim world, as well as build up a security apparatus in case the docile populations of the West become restive. http://www.savethemales.ca/260602.html
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Posted 30 June 2004 - 12:41 PM

Bader; @He (Osama) would know that the zionist policy of provoking terrorism was a major strategy,@

http://story.news.ya...id=540&ncid=716 JERUSALEM -
.... In a precedent-setting decision, Israel's Supreme Court ordered the government on Wednesday to change a large section of its West Bank barrier, saying the current route violates the basic human rights of the local Palestinian population. The court said the changes must be made, even at the risk of reducing Israeli security.....

and now; David Rosenberg in Jerusalem at drosenberg1@bloomberg.net


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Posted 30 June 2004 - 01:06 PM

Gossip or truth ? from http://info.onet.pl/...96,12,item.html

British officer ; One step from conflict with Iran

Daily Telegraph; American military leader in Iraq ordered British military to cross border with Iran and take the disputed land.
British opted for diplomatic way. ....
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 09:44 AM

He is Jewish Woj so he will be called a self-hating Jew for exposing the Jewish banksters who ru(i)n the world. Havent spent much time there on his site in the past mainly because I agree with everything he says.

Its better coming from Jews otherwise the old dripping tap
jewish media saying "anti-semetism" frightens people in case someone might think they are nazi types.

Perhaps we should coin a new criminal phrase- holocaust of truth.

Controlling media, academia and politics closes off the main sourse of public information and in the realm of media that includes publishers

Disputed land-Iran

The UNited Emerates also are claiming three islands in the Persian Gulf which Iran has although they, UAE, previously have
relinquished claim to, no doubt instigated from abroad like the kuwaiti mischiefness that bated Hussein.

Confiscating land for security reasons:
1 - palestinian land
11 - Iraq
111- Iran
1V - Syria
V - Saudi Arabia ............
Not against international law because it wont be for political reasons and so it was for Bush- security not political ambition
and they keep on saying that the terrorists will strike in the US soon so they have the right to go to war somewhere else as well creating security.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:34 PM

Bader;
Saddam Hussein also defended his country's security confiscating in 1990 of Kuwait. International law should be equal for the all.

News from Illuminati; @The Federal Reserve is about to join the club of central banks, mostly of Anglo-Saxon origin, that has embarked on a course of normalizing short-term interest rates.
The Bank of England and the central banks of Australia and New Zealand have already raised their benchmark lending rates several times. The Swiss National Bank implemented a first rate increase last week.
For the European Central Bank, which meets tomorrow, things aren't nearly as clear-cut. The ECB is confronted with slow growth -- perhaps the most Europe is capable of given its regulatory straight-jacket -- and above-target inflation.
Yet even in the face of anemic growth, ``it's time for the ECB to start preparing the markets for an end of its zero real interest-rate policy later this year,'' with inflation set to exceed the 2 percent upper limit for the fourth year running, said Joachim Fels, senior economist at Morgan Stanley in London.
The ECB's view is that high structural unemployment is neither the bank's problem nor its responsibility. Unlike the Fed, the ECB has a sole mandate: price stability, as laid out in the Maastricht Treaty. @
intercepts from cabaum@bloomberg.net.

Raising rates now is committing economic hara-kiri;

Unfortunately for Poland chief of the PRPP
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:50 PM

Donq; Equatorial Guinea so accurately militarily respond to the Norwegian @fishing expedition @on its coast and for Equatorial Guinea benefit..ha, ha ha, that Norway lost its appetite for oil not only from Equatorial Guinea but Iraq as well , and is leaving Iraq..
Some people immune for Scandinavian cooperation, one might say
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 07:40 PM

I agree Woj that Hussein moved against Kuwait for security reasons not political, inspite of the claim that Kuwait was a
paper state originally part of what is now Iraq, but the Kuwaitis
lit the fire not Hussein.

The News from the Illuminati: reads like the ECB is closing ranks
through all the other central banks who function basically to control inflation/prices against the Fed which has as we all know been printing money like confetti- the worst thing you can do for
inflation and prices. The Fed will have to join to survive but dont gorget the two fighters in the ring are always owned by the same
puppeteers.
I expect a NWO financial system which means the end of the
US as an independant power - metomorphesis. It remains to be seen what sort of crisis the US will go through which will have huge implications on Israel and may have to accept a single state
for all a second case of nationalism dying to meet NWO demands.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 09:29 PM

I have deserted you, I guess. Unfortunately, I have limited time on the computer and am involved in other threads. Glad to see you are still here and keepng things going.

Anyway, I just wanted to post this article for Woj. I thought it might be pertinent although contrary to his beliefs.

http://www.mises.org...sp?control=1549
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Posted 02 July 2004 - 01:16 PM

Pliny; @I just wanted to post this article for Woj. I thought it might be pertinent although contrary to his beliefs@
The Austrian Threat to Poland?
@Misesians are on the march in Poland and represent the gravest existing threat to the political left of that country. Whether or not this is the case (and there can be no question that the influence of Austrians is rising all over the world), these two gentlemen express the view that "free marketeers" are hypocrites or fools who decry state intervention generally, but embrace state intervention when it benefits wealthy elites.@

I am confused why D.W. MacKenzie consider Misesians threat to Poland. If it could be the truth it would be rather in my opinion the resurrection of Poland.
Isn
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Posted 02 July 2004 - 08:18 PM

If you were a lawyer, would you agree to represent Saddam Hussein?
Yes 37

No 63

http://discussions.w...e=1&submit=Vote

It is good to know that 37% consider Saddan not guilty. Nobody expects financial reward from the political prisoner in American hands.

@In all history there is no war which was not hatched by the governments, the governments alone, independent of the interests of the people... @ Lev Tolstoy:D
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Posted 02 July 2004 - 08:44 PM

In the prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq, U.S. soldiers there could not be prosecuted in the court because neither Iraq nor the United States has ratified the treaty.
Why nation which didn
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:03 AM

<Donq; Equatorial Guinea so accurately militarily respond to the Norwegian @fishing expedition @on its coast and for Equatorial Guinea benefit..ha, ha ha, that Norway lost its appetite for oil not only from Equatorial Guinea but Iraq as well , and is leaving Iraq..
Some people immune for Scandinavian cooperation, one might say >

Howdy all
So much to say, so little time.:confused:

Back to the subject. Sometimes a lion is kind of tamed at home, but still a predator toward others. A truly tamed lion though, would act the same way with others as with his own, and would encourage others to follow suit. In the meantime, we should be wary of the lion, even of the so called "civilized" one...;)
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 07:25 AM

Woj:
I was meaning a palestinian state for both Jew and Arabs.
Jews cant occupy greater Israel because they dont have and never will have the numbers but they can expand the present model of the Ashkenazi in control across the new Market to come just as they do in Israel and so they need to be seen to be able to live with Arabs so the best way to change appearances is to accept a single state and it could work if they stopped inflaming terrorism and using it themselves.
Instability will have to continue to spread outwards to effect change more quickly followed by a new wave outfrom the epicentre bringing "peace" in a new Market run by an elite which will have to unclude elite type Arabs which will arise in Iraq and elsewhere they shakedown and reshape.
The US might stop playing the bad-cop and the Nato UE with the Euro replacing the dollar can start playing the good-cop and the
Puppeteers will carry on at a new level with new strategy.
They will celebrate the new found peace when the Pope sets up his chair in Jerusalem.
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