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#3381 donquijote

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 01:56 PM

@WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM?@ or who makes decisions on voting in EU parliament, and Bader; Lepper is leper. . @


That's how it is in the jungle: "THE TRAIL OF THE MONEY IS THE TRAIL OF THE FOX." Sometimes the lion is only an ornament, follow the money...;)

(This phrase is already copyrighted but we may use it for anti camouflage purposes):D
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 02:05 PM

@I would put it that the GOLD pliny doesn-t recognize is the revelation that the peoples own credit can be monetarised by themselves and put to work for them making them free and sovereign- exactly as what should happen on a coop/kibbutz,
not subsidizing some ashkennazi foxes authoritarianism.@

<I like it as an apotheosis of reformed communism.>

Communism the way is to supposed to be; Capitalism the way is to supposed to be.

Or you think the "invisible hand" in Adam Smith theory is that of the Corporation?:confused:

Well, it shouldn't be...;)

< One can not eliminate the leader. Leader create itself automatically even in the dentist waiting room.
And this is God blessing.
I don-t want my country to be a herd without Shepard.
But I don-t want Polish Shepard to be on electronic control by something else. ->

Nothing absolute here. When we say "no lion, shepherd, etc" we mean THE LESS THE BETTER. The retreat of the lion, shepherd, etc. will effect the sheep to have their own personality. Nothing wrong with, no?:D
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 04:07 PM

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=88886
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 04:09 PM

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=88880
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 05:30 PM

being a rat will be a choice;

Donq; @Now, it remains the question of whether there should be any social cohesion, any culture that binds society together and makes life more pleasurable.@

It was not and will be not. This is reason why international communism was not, and international democracy will be not able permanently to cross the borders. :)

Donq You even answered it to yourself;
@There is no
> anti-semitism in the world, no racism, no hatred at all - it's all
> just a mirage. Now, about that bridge you wanted to buy...@


You were right, we love only our own blood, we love only our own lion or our own Shepard, our children and our dogs.
We don
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 05:37 PM

<Shared blood is more important than the social unity. . Slavs unite!. :)>

Should I say, "hallelujah"!?:confused:
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 05:54 PM

donq; @Should I say, "hallelujah"!? @

Yes, you should , because justice , fairness , impartiality, righteousness, honesty prevail.

But you still can implement your @push democracy@
but only on your own territory.
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 06:13 PM

<Yes, you should , because justice , fairness , impartiality, righteousness, honesty prevail.

But you still can implement your @push democracy@
but only on your own territory. >

Yeah, and then you lead the Slav Empire, and Bader and I--us not being Slavs--lead the Anti-Slav Empire. Who you think is going to win?:confused:
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 06:15 PM

News from democracy path;
Tony Blair nominated his close ally Peter Mandelson to become Britain's European commissioner in a new Europe of 25 nations. The gay politician remains a hugely controversial figure in Britain after being forced to resign his post as trade and industry secretary in 1998 and minister for Northern Ireland in 2001 after becoming embroiled in separate financial scandals.


Mandelson resigned as trade minister following revelations he had accepted a large loan from a ministerial colleague, Paymaster-General Geoffrey Robinson, to buy a house.

Mandelson bounced back to become Northern Ireland Secretary in 1999, but a short successful stint was ended after a row about British passports provided for the ultra-rich Indian Hinduja brothers.

Mandelson acquired the reputation of being an accomplished spin doctor and behind-the-scenes fixer, bringing him the nickname of "the prince of darkness".Tony Blair nominated his close ally Peter Mandelson to become Britain's European commissioner in a new Europe of 25 nations. The gay politician remains a hugely controversial figure in Britain after being forced to resign his post as trade and industry secretary in 1998 and minister for Northern Ireland in 2001 after becoming embroiled in separate financial scandals.


Mandelson resigned as trade minister following revelations he had accepted a large loan from a ministerial colleague, Paymaster-General Geoffrey Robinson, to buy a house.

Mandelson bounced back to become Northern Ireland Secretary in 1999, but a short successful stint was ended after a row about British passports provided for the ultra-rich Indian Hinduja brothers.

Mandelson acquired the reputation of being an accomplished spin doctor and behind-the-scenes fixer, bringing him the nickname of "the prince of darkness".

intercepts; http://www.channelne...w/97273/1/.html

Example of Western leader promoting the Western democracy
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 06:20 PM

<Example of Western leader promoting the Western democracy>

Western Democracy and Eastern Democracy is one and the same. And it's all ONE BIG LIE-ON.;)
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 06:34 PM

Donq; @Western Democracy and Eastern Democracy is one and the same. And it's all ONE BIG LIE-ON@

Donq ; Did you hear about any Slav supporting the democracy ?



Donq; You and Bader one person , aren't you?
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 06:50 PM

<Donq ; Did you hear about any Slav supporting the democracy ? >

I suspect some vote for it...:confused:



<Donq; You and Bader one person , aren't you?>

No, two people, two places (America and New Zeland), one principle: NO LION NO PROBLEM!;)
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 01:27 AM

'He's our most likely candidate to get eaten'

Things are weird nowaday. In Iraqi jungle the lions get eaten, not the other way around...:confused:

"a park that is one of the few safe public places in a city where bombs and crime make life a misery for Iraqis"

Of course, zoo jungle is tamed compared to human jungle...;)

SA zoo man heads for home after stint in Iraq
By Dean Yates

The young South African zoologist lovingly scratches the head of a cheetah that once belonged to Saddam Hussein's sadistic son Uday.

For 14 months, Brendan Whittington-Jones has been operations manager and friend to the animals at Baghdad Zoo, playing a key role rebuilding a park that is one of the few safe public places in a city where bombs and crime make life a misery for Iraqis.

The zoo reopened a year ago in a wave of publicity after being bombed during the United States-led invasion that ousted Saddam
on April 2003. Donations and offers of help flowed.

Now, the future is less certain. The zoo has enough money to feed and care for the animals and pay salaries, but little else.

There is no budget for maintenance. Donations have dwindled. Funds are so tight Whittington-Jones has worked for free since around January, when the former US-led administration stopped paying him.

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As he paid tribute to Whittington-Jones, a fellow keeper playfully thrust his hands near a cage of snarling female lions.

"He's our most likely candidate to get eaten," said Whittington-Jones, rolling his eyes. - Reuters

http://www.iol.co.za...d=2813&set_id=1
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 02:24 AM

Marek Cichocki of the Center for International Relations in Warsaw, told The AP, "Nobody in Poland expects anything good from Chirac anymore," while in Britain, The Sun, a populist tabloid, called him "le Worm." http://news.yahoo.co...gnacious_chirac

This information the journalist probably provided as a appreciation for an invitation for a beer in local pub.
It is not surprise than that the intelligence services has problem to be the intelligence service.
Poland, Germany and France has full formalization the years of work exchange, schools diploma and pensions up to 91.
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 11:27 AM

A nation of 63 million leaders.

Every country has and needs leaders.
A credit authority like Treasury doesnt control govt nor disolves govt so I dont know where you get the notion of a herd from,
Ive never herd that issue raised before.

IMF etc are international authorities that control govts and economies, Reserve Banks etc. You may have been tongue in
cheek on that.

Since you prefer communism you wont understand checks and balances in the constitutional framework of a nation to prevent the leaders from running away with the power and ending up like Haiti was for decades.

Being independant of govt (so they dont become the party in powers open cheque-book) doesnt include being independant of the people. The Credit Authority could elected by the people not govt for example. They could refuse to finance anything govt
brings in not sanctioned by the electorate- now we are talking about people having power between elections.
Its up to the people to design their own system to achieve the
benefits if they dont want an elite to do so.
Whats the difference between elite and leader Woj?

Mandelson or Lewandowski whats the difference? Obviously both
darlings of the insiders- one law for them another for everyone else. This is what happens when leaders are allowed to abuse power that belongs to the people.

You want to unit Slavs, try offering them a bit of power and leaders that are servants. Lepper seems to be on the right track
but the majority will vote for the two main parties as everywhere else in Western demokracy. The Slavs will be united in the UE, thats the only way they will come together, but not seperate
because that will not please the pope. Poland will continue to sleep at the crossroads.

Picking on Chirac is anti-Gaulism. France should call for all Frenchman to go to France where they will be safe from anti-Gaulism.

DonQ I thought you meant that but when you quoted Louis Even
I thought you must have found the Even Institute wedsite.
I can only give you an e-mail address of the Austrailan and British
Douglas sites.
I expect the Brisbane (Aussie) one would be as good as any:
run by Victor Bridger, whom I have met.

socred@ecn.net.au

The Edinburg Secretariat, original founded by Douglas, is

socialcredit@FSBDial.co.uk

The secretary is Ann Goss

Bridger would have an e-mail address for Even.
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 11:58 AM

<DonQ I thought you meant that but when you quoted Louis Even
I thought you must have found the Even Institute wedsite.
I can only give you an e-mail address of the Austrailan and British
Douglas sites.
I expect the Brisbane (Aussie) one would be as good as any:
run by Victor Bridger, whom I have met.

socred@ecn.net.au

The Edinburg Secretariat, original founded by Douglas, is

socialcredit@FSBDial.co.uk

The secretary is Ann Goss

Bridger would have an e-mail address for Even. >

Is it related to the truck of leaflets in Ecuador or something? I'll try it...

Are you aware of this question?

Who's behind the "invisible hand"?;)

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=88886
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 12:43 PM

@The U.S. Congress passed resolutions declaring that atrocities that have been unfolding in western Sudan are genocide and urged the Bush administration to do the same. The resolutions came as U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell met with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan Thursday, for the second time in three weeks, to discuss what he called a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Darfur http://story.news.ya...orld&cat=Sudan@

Is question for natural resources the related to subject?

Natural resources:
petroleum; small reserves of iron ore, copper, chromium ore, zinc, tungsten, mica, silver, gold, hydropower
Industries:
oil, cotton ginning, textiles, cement, edible oils, sugar, soap distilling, shoes, petroleum refining, pharmaceuticals, armaments, automobile/light truck assembly
:)
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 01:31 PM

@World community demands action ;
The international community stepped up efforts this week to avert a humanitarian catastrophe in Sudan's western Darfur region, with Washington threatening sanctions against Khartoum if it does not bring Arab militias to heel. http://news.yahoo.co...r_040723173445@

Question ; Who is this world community?
Pope John PaulII on Thursday dispatched a special envoy to Darfur, with the Vatican. The Guardian reported that British Prime Minister Tony Blair ordered that plans be drawn up to send troops to Sudan, but Blair denied the report as "premature". He must read about ;
Siege of Khartoum
(March 13, 1884
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 11:55 PM

> >> The threats of the fascist totalitarian ( or libertarian, it is so
> >> hard to tell them apart ).
> >
> > It's not. They all hate COMPETITION...
>
> An interesting point. The debate really centers around 'cooperation' vs
> 'competition'. That is, do a group of individuals working together in
> harmony get more done that a rabble fighting each other tooth and nail? The
> odd thing is that the capitalists tend to claim that the fight makes for
> good solutions once the dust settles. However, the dust can never settle if
> the struggle is the real focus so the fight must go on. However, the claim
> does indicate that the real goal of the capitalist is 'king of the hill', in
> other words, they claim that the winner of the game is better for the
> competition over all rivals and so this dictator of the economy deserves
> what he gets. Would that it were true. Usually the winner is the guy that
> fights dirtiest.

Howdy Ian
"the winner is the guy that fights dirtiest": I call it the "survival
of the meanest" as there's little room for a fair fight. The issue at
hand: The SUVs and bicycles are both "free" to ride the streets. But
is it level field, or the SUV wins every time in a collision with the
bicycle? Of course, people is intimidated into--and lacking any other
law other than the "law of the jungle"--ever bigger behemoths. We are
all prey to a multimillion industry that includes gas, insurance and
even the undertaker... ;)

Now, SUV owners--or any other in the "industry"--never propose
anything that would level the COMPETITION: TRAFFIC LAWS, BICYCLE,
ELECTRICAL VEHICLES. You are at the mercy of the law of the
jungle--twice. ;)

In the following political compass there are four quadrants: left and
right, and authoritaritanism and libertarianism. The left and right
model simply doesn't work...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Now, look at these other results: 86% reject authority--what I call
the "lion." Why? Because the camp above the line rejects fair
COMPETITION. In the end, Right-Authoritarian and
Left-Authoritarians--the "arch-enemies"--are accomplices...

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=87995

This is the story that started the theory...

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE

Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always taking the LION'S SHARE, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all the species of
the jungle, demanded JUSTICE... The Lion, yawning and stretching,
said, "You would have to have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the
Monkey, who was very clever, devised a plan: He would go to the
costume store, and look like a lion...

When the Lion saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a match for
him, and fearing COMPETITION, killed him on the spot --before the
indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And that's how
the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time...

>
> >
> > "communism and capitalism hate competition"
> > The eerie coincidence between communism and capitalism: They both hate
> > COMPETITION...
>
> Actually, communism does not have competition. It does not hate it, so much
> as it relies on cooperation. A level of cooperation, of course, that is
> unnatural and requires too much altruism to be implemented in any real
> population except for those in a struggle for survival. It is interesting to
> note that marginal survival almost always creates a cooperative culture ( a
> communism ) that enforces group focus, not individual selfishness. Being too
> selfish may be anti-survival, for example, a person making a fishing spear
> may be better off lending it to anyone wanting to go fishing, rather than
> taking proprietary interest in the spear only when he wants to fish,
> especially if the raw materials for the spear are rare. And he may have made
> the spear using some of those materials supplied by those who happened to
> find them.

Exactly, it's no unnatural that it could help the lion. A rather
symbiotic relationship... ;)

We can speak some more on the subject later.

>
> >
> > "John D. Rockefeller agreed with Karl Marx not only about the anarchy
> > of production but also about its inevitable cure."
> >
> > The striking parallels between two of America's most powerful -- and
> > controversial -- capitalists
> >
> > by Jack Beatty
> >
> > Surveying the raw Darwinian capitalism of the middle years of the
> > nineteenth century, Karl Marx diagnosed its main problem as "the
> > anarchy of production" -- the senseless, self-defeating price wars
> > waged by businesses that would not curtail production when the market
> > was glutted but that instead engaged in suicidal competition. John D.
> > Rockefeller agreed with Karl Marx not only about the anarchy of
> > production but also about its inevitable cure. By the early 1870s the
> > cutthroat competition in the fledgling oil business, unleashed by the
> > discovery of oil in Pennsylvania in the previous decade, manifested
> > the ruinous effects of the anarchy of production. The
> > twenty-nine-year-old Rockefeller, who had just launched the Standard
> > Oil Company in these perilously competitive waters, sought to replace
> > competition with what he called "cooperation" -- a genteelism for
> > monopoly.
>
> Rather, he was looking at the 'king of the hill' position of the winner of
> the competition, thus a capitalist and one who believed that the competition
> was only for who was to become the next ruthless dictatorship.
>
> Cooperation does not mean ruler of all you survey. Who does the monopolist
> cooperate *with*???

Cooperation among predators? Sure, all the time: lions, hyenas... They
rarely COMPETE WITH THEIR OWN SPECIES, but with other species in the
effort to CRUSH THE COMPETITION.

>
> Thus we see that quotes from the industrialists are rife with disingenuous
> and self serving distortions.

This is quite enlightening though: "The greatest sin is competition"
-Rockefeller

>
> > Toward that end, in November, 1871, Rockefeller met with
> > officials of the three major eastern railroads -- the Pennsylvania,
> > the New York Central, and the Erie -- to create among themselves a
> > shell organization called the South Improvement Company (SIC), which a
> > Congressional committee would subsequently label a "gigantic and
> > daring conspiracy." Rockefeller's latest biographer, Ron Chernow,
> > takes up the story in his magnificent new book, Titan: The Life of
> > John D. Rockefeller, Sr., to be published later this month by Random
> > House. Chernow writes:
>
> The rise of the rockefellers led to anti-trust laws. A legacy that does more
> than I to show how anti-competitive the early American industrialists were.

A "great American tradition," so to speak.
>
> <snip>
> > The century is ending as it began, with the representative corporation
> > of the age seeking to escape the tameless risks of competitive
> > capitalism.
>
> Now, as then, by coopting the govenrment as their servant to guarantee their
> position of power. It just illustates that capitalism is not about improving
> products. It is about the 'winners' getting it all, also known by various
> terms as the plutocracy, oligarchy, aristocracy, fascism, dictatorship, etc
> depending on exactly how many are on top and how they rule.

Exactly, call it the "LAW OF THE JUNGLE"... ;)
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Posted 25 July 2004 - 02:12 AM

Bader@Polish demokrazy
A nation of 63 million leaders.

Every country has and needs leaders.
A credit authority like Treasury doesnt control govt nor disolves govt so I dont know where you get the notion of a herd from,
Ive never herd that issue raised before.@


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"Do you know what heaven is? It's a German car, a Swedish woman and an American salary." Tman (28) is sitting in a restaurant in the Syrian capital, Damascus. He's unemployed
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