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Posted 16 August 2004 - 11:43 AM

Australia 5 1 3 9
China 5 2 1 8
United States 1 4 3 8
Russia 1 3 2 6
Japan 4 1 0 5
France 1 2 2 5
Italy 2 1 0 3
Turkey 2 0 1 3
Ukraine 2 0 1 3
Hungary 1 1 1 3
Netherlands 0 1 2 3
Thailand 1 0 1 2
Poland 0 2 0 2
Germany 0 1 1 2
Belgium 0 0 2 2
Bulgaria 0 0 2 2
Cuba 0 0 2 2
South Korea 0 0 2 2
South Africa 1 0 0 1
Spain 0 1 0 1
United Kingdom 0 1 0 1
Georgia 0 1 0 1
Indonesia 0 1 0 1
Portugal 0 1 0 1
Serbia and Montenegro 0 1 0 1
Slovakia 0 1 0 1
Argentina 0 0 1 1
Colombia 0 0 1 1
Czech Republic 0 0 1 1
Mongolia 0 0 1 1

Olympic results; China has a lot to thank the Mao comrade.
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 12:49 PM

Among the most important assets that Israel provides the U.S. with in return for financial assistance are:
Invaluable intelligence information: ALLEGROhttp://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=92089

This is reason behind why communism failed;
it its internationalism braked foundation of CCCP.
Donq is correct saying that Jeltsin creates perfect soil for rotten seeds .
But US democratic agency on tab Russian taxpayer elected Jeltsin on Russian president.
When Yeltsin orders the killing fire on 500 members his opposition was no one word of critic from US. none.

Killing opposition was internal issue of Russia, said US.

Jeltis was American man. Donq;
Situation in Russia was and unfortunately is still in Poland the result of international meddling.
You are right Dond communist were internationalist in the past. But not any more. Now communists will be nationalists to protect their own country from globalization etc.
Isolated American or English blindly support their governments regardless what they do.
We have to take this issue under consideration. Slavs united.:)
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 12:52 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Australia 5 1 3 9
China 5 2 1 8
United States 1 4 3 8
Russia 1 3 2 6
Japan 4 1 0 5
France 1 2 2 5
Italy 2 1 0 3
Turkey 2 0 1 3
Ukraine 2 0 1 3
Hungary 1 1 1 3
Netherlands 0 1 2 3
Thailand 1 0 1 2
Poland 0 2 0 2
Germany 0 1 1 2
Belgium 0 0 2 2
Bulgaria 0 0 2 2
Cuba 0 0 2 2
South Korea 0 0 2 2
South Africa 1 0 0 1
Spain 0 1 0 1
United Kingdom 0 1 0 1
Georgia 0 1 0 1
Indonesia 0 1 0 1
Portugal 0 1 0 1
Serbia and Montenegro 0 1 0 1
Slovakia 0 1 0 1
Argentina 0 0 1 1
Colombia 0 0 1 1
Czech Republic 0 0 1 1
Mongolia 0 0 1 1

Olympic results; China has a lot to thank the Mao comrade.



Sorry, Woj, now we moved to Media thread...:D

Thanks to comrade Mao, their revolution was such a failure that they ended up working for imperialist lion.:confused:
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 01:05 PM

Donq ; Man don
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 07:16 PM

< Man don-t get irritated, please!! says old Chinese game. We have to support our posts with facts. I say that Chinese are sweated very well. And Mao make miracle moving them from English colony to the top of the world.>

Facts? More than above?

It may be as well that China takes the Gold Medal in work accidents...;)

Drive for coal produces more deaths in China-s mines
China Labour Bulletin appears in the following article.
World Socialist Web Site

Terry Cook

Every year, gas explosions, cave-ins and mine flooding kill thousands of miners who are driven by deepening poverty to risk their lives in China-s notoriously dangerous coal mining industry. According to China-s State Administration of Work Safety, 6,702 died in mining accidents in 2003, but other sources put the number at 7,197.

In the face of mounting anger over the deaths, the government has repeatedly promised to crackdown on unsafe mining operations. Last year saw a series of such pledges: to create the country-s first nationwide network of industrial safety inspectors, boost spending on mine safety and introduce increased penalties for breaches of safety laws. The authorities also vowed to keep closing thousands of illegal and small pits. Yet this year is already delivering another grim toll.

On March 1, a gas explosion ripped though the Jinshanpo Coal Mine in the northern city of Jiexiu in Shanxi province, killing 28 miners. About 32 men were working underground at the time. Managers were aware on the day of problems with the mine-s ventilation system, which is vital to prevent a build-up of gas, but they did not halt operations.

The worst mine disaster so far this year occurred at the privately-owned Baixing Coal Mine in the northeastern city of Jixi in Heilongjiang province on February 23. At least 32 miners died, with 13 men still missing at the time of the last report. Officials declared the chance of finding more survivors was ?slim.
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 08:34 PM

Donq; China has very limited energy resources and one of them is coal mining, unfortunately coal is on very deep levels and it removing is dangerous.
China tries to resolve her energy problem by building the biggest in the world dam on Jancy Kiang river , and constructing hydro electric power stations.

As far I remember it also meet your critics ; you want Chinese to create coops and dig the well manually as far remember
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 12:54 AM

<China has very limited energy resources and one of them is coal mining, unfortunately coal is on very deep levels and it removing is dangerous.
China tries to resolve her energy problem by building the biggest in the world dam on Jancy Kiang river , and constructing hydro electric power stations.>

Small water well is better than big water well. Egypt has one of the biggest dams in the world and yet...

< As far I remember it also meet your critics ; you want Chinese to create coops and dig the well manually as far remember -..
At the end of constructing power stations they will stop regular coal mining, and they will produce the special coal only for productions of the steel. Steel is alloy of iron and coal , as you for sure know. Chine moves to full speed to cars production and need a lot of steel. >

Producing cars for export and Chinese new elites. Isn't that capitalism? I thought you said you liked communism. What's really the difference?

<Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 71.96 years
male: 70.4 years
female: 73.72 years (2004 est.) It is still not very bad...?>

Healthcare has been privatized, and it's now way low on world rankings.

< I would be very much interested to know how you would solve the Chinese safety problem . >

Woj, why are they forced to take these dangerous jobs without safety?:confused: I'd give those mining operators COMPETITION, which is the thing they want the least...;)

The prevailing forces behind the continuing death toll in the coal industry were aptly summed up last month by the acting chairman of the New York-based China Labor Watch, Li Qiang. "On the one hand, in order to gain profit, mines continue production even if they are clearly aware of unsafe conditions. On the other, due to extreme poverty, many peasants have to take jobs in these mines. To them, it's like betting with their lives. So, generally speaking, little effort as been put into mining safety."

You seriously think they would even entertain the idea of betting their lives if they could live in a kibbutz?

Life on a Kibbutz
January 19, 2000

Thirteen year-old Nimrod rides on his bike to the bus at 7:30 in the morning. A yellow and black luxury tour-bus roars up to take him to school. I can't believe that THAT is a school bus! Nimrod goes to the best school in the area, I've heard. Not only that, but his family owns a huge swimming pool, a small zoo, a corral of horses, acres of land, a retirement home, a dairy farm, a turkey farm, several schools, orange orchards, an orange juice factory, and dozens of buildings and houses!

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You probably think that Nimrod's family has lots of money, but they don't. As a matter of fact, his parents don't ever get paychecks! You see, Nimrod and his family live on what is known as a Kibbutz, one of many here in Israel. Kibbutzim (the plural of Kibbutz) are like small villages with communally owned land and property. Jewish settlers from Europe, many of whom were escaping the anti-Jewish pogroms, first formed Kibbutzim early in the twentieth century.

Anat and Christopher, Nimrod's mother and father, both work as teachers in the schools run collectively by several Kibbutzim in the area. Instead of getting a paycheck, their earnings go back into the community, this helps pay for things like the horses and the swimming pool; things that any one of the hundreds of families that live here could never afford on their own. So they share all these things with 1000 other people, and if they leave the Kibbutz, they essentially give their 1/1000th to the rest of the members. Their paychecks also pay for necessary things like health care, schools, housing, and food. What a cool system!

http://www.worldtrek...00abejakib.html
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 01:11 AM

Compare this...;)

Proud Little Finland Tops World Rankings
Dan Ackman, 10.31.03, 9:09 AM ET

NEW YORK - Finland, the small Scandinavian nation, boasts the world's "most competitive" economy, beating the United States and fellow Scandinavian Sweden for top honors, according to a survey by the World Economic Forum, the folks best known for their annual confab in Davos.

Aside from Finland and Sweden, snowy nations did well in the survey, with fourth-ranked Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland and Norway all in the top ten along with Taiwan and Singapore. Australia rounds out the top ten.

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How did Finland, with a population of just 5.2 million, come out on top? Honesty is a big factor, as the nation had high scores for judicial independence, property rights and the absence of crime and corruption. Surprisingly, it was just tenth in cell-phone usage. The U.S., by contrast, was ranked just ninth in property rights and 13th in judicial independence.

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But the big story is the amazing success of Scandinavia. The entire region has just one company, Nokia, among the top 100 of the Forbes 2000 list of global public companies. It has just eight billionaires, none in Finland. But Sweden, with Volvo Group (nasdaq: VOLVY - news - people ), Norway and Denmark scored high on the public-integrity meters and all have GDPs per capita not far behind the U.S. The Nordic countries were also ranked the best places to live in the world by a United Nations survey, which ranked nations by factors such as education, democracy, income and public health.

with this...:confused:

China, the world's most populous nation and widely perceived as a comer on the international scene, placed a disappointing 44th, bogged down by "the perceived quality of its public institutions," its lack of judicial independence and a nagging sense of public corruption.

http://www.forbes.co...031topnews.html
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 01:59 AM

Big Water Well is good for big money; Little Water Well is good for little people.;)

This is the Assuan dam. Notice how the natural silt was replaced with chemical fertilizers produced by international corporations. Enriching of big international corporations, destruction of tocal communities, do you see a pattern? Hey, big money...;)

Environmental Issues

In addition to the benefits, however, damming the Nile caused a number of environmental issues. The silt which made the Nile region fertile is instead held at the dam, leading to (expected) silting of the reservoir, which will eventually (an estimated 500 years) render Lake Nasser useless for water storage volume.

Erosion of coastline barriers, due to lack of new sediments from floods, will eventually cause loss of the brackish water lake fishery that is currently the largest source of fish for Egypt, and the subsidence of the Nile Delta will lead to inundation of northern portion of the Delta with seawater, in areas which are now used for rice crops. The delta itself, no longer renewed by Nile silt has lost much of it's fertility (The red-brick construction industry, which used delta mud, is also severly affected).There is significant erosion of coastlines (due to lack of sand, which was once brought by the Nile) all along the eastern Mediterranean.

The need to use artificial fertilizers supplied by international corporations is controversial too, causing chemical pollution which the traditional river silt did not. Indifferent irrigation control has also caused some farmland to be damaged by waterlogging and increased salinity

http://encyclopedia..../Aswan High Dam
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 02:42 AM

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 01:28 PM

Donq; @ China, the world's most populous nation and widely perceived as a comer on the international scene, placed a disappointing 44th, bogged down by "the perceived quality of its public institutions," its lack of judicial independence and a nagging sense of public corruption.@

Since when you Donq starts to be the Media believer?
Such notion is result of envy for Chinese successful space cosmonaut travel, when US tourist space ship on August 8, went nowhere.
It is true , Russian built Assam dam at first needed some correction for agriculture consideration and it was done and for the last 50 years dam is blessing for Egypt. :)

Finland gold age already is the past time. It was during cold war because Finland and Austria as neutral countries earned money on transferred the West equipment and resale to East, and vice versa, for huge money for it. Now it is not as bright as one might think. Unemployment rate: 9.2%

Cellar phone is really popular in Finland or Poland, because it doesn
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 03:03 PM

In results of WWII not only China, InDIA, Burma, Iraq, Iran or EGYPT received independence from UK.

This Day in History 1945: Indonesia's declaration of independence from The Netherlands

The country of Indonesia (formerly the Dutch East Indies), an archipelago, fell under Dutch colonial rule in 1602, with the establishment of the Dutch East India Company.
Following this, the country's capital city of Jakarta was captured and razed by the Dutch, under the leadership of Jan Pieterszoon Coen, in 1619. The colonial era ended with the entry of Japan into World War II, when Indonesia was occupied by Japanese forces.
After the war, the capital was briefly occupied by the Allies and then was returned to the [B]Dutch


In 1949 the city was renamed and made Indonesia's capital. It grew rapidly, soon becoming one of the world's most populous cities.
On this day Indonesia :)declared its independence from The Netherlands. http://www.britannic...eu=422747#event
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 05:38 PM

Antarctica holds 90 percent of the world's fresh water.
Melting glaciers add fresh water to the oceans and speed the seaward movement of ice and an influx of fresh water into the ocean. "Faster ice flow means sea level rises," The worry is that continued glacier melt could swamp coastal areas
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 06:05 PM

@ China, the world's most populous nation and widely perceived as a comer on the international scene, placed a disappointing 44th, bogged down by "the perceived quality of its public institutions," its lack of judicial independence and a nagging sense of public corruption.@

<Since when you Donq starts to be the Media believer?
Such notion is result of envy for Chinese successful space cosmonaut travel, when US tourist space ship on August 8, went nowhere.>

Well, if it's 44, then you figure no matter how much you stretch it, it'll never get to the first places. Common sense, no? It may be a good country to be a cosmonaut, but just like America or Russia, not a good place to live as a poor.:(

<It is true , Russian built Assam dam at first needed some correction for agriculture consideration and it was done and for the last 50 years dam is blessing for Egypt. :)>

Well, without it, it lasted ever since the Pharaohs. How long is it going to last now? And who is getting big bucks for artificial fertilizer if not the corporations?

<Finland gold age already is the past time. It was during cold war because Finland and Austria as neutral countries earned money on transferred the West equipment and resale to East, and vice versa, for huge money for it. Now it is not as bright as one might think. Unemployment rate: 9.2%>

True. Let coops absorb that. We can even reduce the work week to, say, 30 hours.

<Cellar phone is really popular in Finland or Poland, because it doesn-t require to set the cable lines.
In case of Finland is one more reason ; Nokia is Finish the most important company besides paper industry.
Generally I observe that you like countries where women are larger part of population than man. :)>

Listen to what this lady (Xena) got to say...;)

"I wanna a Volvo in my porch and a sauna in my backyard.

Oh, I want a Nokia too to talk with my girlfriends.

PS: Hey, my boyfriend says he wants Finlandia vodka."

<Even more deep thoughts
"The unreasonable man adapts himself to the jungle ; the reasonable one persists in trying to adapt the jungle to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the reasonable man.":) >

Super deep thoughts: "The world must adapt to the unreasonable man, since the reasonable man takes cash":cool:
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Posted 17 August 2004 - 06:25 PM

Donq; @"Listen to what this lady (Xena) got to say...

"I wanna a Volvo in my porch and a sauna in my backyard.

Oh, I want a Nokia too to talk with my girlfriends.@

And I agree with you, dump your dinosaur.

@The teenage Tyrannosaurus rex typically went through an explosive growth spurt, gaining nearly 5 pounds a day.
During that spurt, from ages 14 to 18, the creature picked up most of its eventual adult weight of around 6 tons, new research indicates. It stopped growing around age 20 and apparently died by age 30.
T. rex is "the James Dean of dinosaurs
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 12:16 AM

Maybe we are not all brothers after all;
Neandertals in the Mist
Neandertals and Modern Humans in Western Asia. Takeru Akazawa, Kenichi Aoki, Ofer Bar-Yosef, eds. 529 pp. Plenum Scientists have pursued the mystery of modern human origins since the first fossil human remains were recognized in 1856. The precise identity of this specimen, an incomplete skeleton from the Neander Valley in Germany
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 12:26 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Donq; @"Listen to what this lady (Xena) got to say...

"I wanna a Volvo in my porch and a sauna in my backyard.

Oh, I want a Nokia too to talk with my girlfriends.@

And I agree with you, dump your dinosaur.

@The teenage Tyrannosaurus rex typically went through an explosive growth spurt, gaining nearly 5 pounds a day.
During that spurt, from ages 14 to 18, the creature picked up most of its eventual adult weight of around 6 tons, new research indicates. It stopped growing around age 20 and apparently died by age 30.
T. rex is "the James Dean of dinosaurs ? it livesd fast and dies young,"
In contrast, an African elephant's growth reaches a plateau at around the same age and weight, that animal lives past age 50.

T. rex got so big after age 12 that it might not have been able to run as fast as before. So maybe it stopped running after prey and turned more to either scavenging or ambushing its meals, But the estimated lifetime of a T. rex is surprisingly brief, because it shows the mammal-like rapid growth wasn't followed by a mammal-like longevity,
The skeleton, which is the largest known for T. rex, showed much evidence of disease and broken bones, "This animal was a train wreck at the time it died,". http://news.yahoo.co...growing_t_rex_5

dump the lady (Xena; "I can't imagine this animal could live much longer.":)



I wished Xena was that smart. She only sits there looking at me saying: "Writing again?" And I go, "Well we can't sit here in the Jurassic and expect anything to happen." And then she goes to sleep again...;)
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 12:41 AM

Or may by we are all brothers after all;
Old Europe;. Central to this interest are the Neanderthals, an early human population that lived around the Mediterranean between 130,000 and 28,000 years ago. Much debate has centered on whether or not Neanderthals, widely thought to be early members of the Homo sapiens species, were ancestors to modern human populations. Stunning new work, however, by molecular biologist Svante Paabo (Cell, July 11, 1997) suggests that Neanderthals are genetically quite different from modern human populations and may not be members of our species. Mellars synthesizes an enormous amount of information about Neanderthal behavior as observed in the archaeological record from Western Europe, where thousands of sites have been excavated. He still addresses the fundamental questions raised by the new molecular research: Was Neanderthal behavior similar to or different from that of early modern humans in the same area? How did they adapt to the changing Ice Age environments? How did they organize their economies and societies over time? l how Neanderthals acquired raw materials (which reveals how their groups moved over the landscape and illuminates certain aspects of their ancient economies), their actual modes of production and how the distribution of stone tools inside individual archaeological sites allows the definition of production-activity areas.
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 01:02 AM

<Or may by we are all brothers after all;>

Woj, I thought you said you didn't believe in evolution. Well, then this is the most likely way things happened. Notice the Lion, which at this point wasn't carnivorous yet (Adam calls him "kitty, kitty" and rides him). In Paradise, Lion must be tamed otherwise it would be Hell, right?;)

(I found this on the Internet, but I completely change it around according to the voices of angels that whispered it in my ear. Of course, now it fits my theory of the jungle...) :cool:

Garden of Eden

This play sets the scene for a curse-breaking act of love. God has set man up with total freedom, including freedom to choose whatever he wants. God even goes to lengths to ensure that this creation of his can and is free to choose against his God, but must accept the consequences.

The scene, a sumptuous garden set in a world of peace and harmony. Trees of every description, size, and fruit. Animals living in peace. Nothing marring the landscape and nothing to destroy the total beauty of the place. We're in Eden, the garden planted by God for the pinnacle of his creation, Man.

God: Adam.

Adam: What a brilliant place this is, the flowers, trees and a Lion.

God: We took ages thinking up Lion, quite a creature. He eats grass. Yes, were happy with it all. It's all good, and as for you, well you top it all. Welcome to earth.

Adam: How did it all come about? I mean, tell me about you.

God: How long have you got?

Adam: Eternity. [Pause] How long will it take?

God: Eternity. [Pause] How big do you think I am?

Adam: Infinity.

God: So we've got eternity to discover infinity, but then I'm not even as small as infinity, so I need a lot more of you to work for eternity discovering me.

Adam: But how exactly are you going to multiply me?

God: While you were sleeping. [Pause] I thought you'd like some company so I took the liberty of making a genetic copy. [Laughing] I took one of your ribs and...

Narrator: [Enter Eve]

Adam: Cool, wow...man.

God: Your name-making is improving; we'll miss off the -cool- bit just go for Woman.

Adam: A copy of me but so different and so lovely. What a friend. Thanks.

God: What have I given you?

Adam: Everything.

God: Everything? [Questioning] Well nearly Everything, Everything except that tree [Pointing at the Knowledge Tree]. Death awaits you if you eat that fruit.

Adam: What's death?

God: You mean, how, you can't die, you're made from me.

Adam: So what's death?

God: Do you really want to know? I've given you everything to enjoy and eternity to enjoy it in, but you can choose. Choose to disobey me, and you die.

Adam: Why die? It's only one tree.

God: Well, how do I know you love me unless I test you? So it's there. Enjoy it and you die, enjoy me and you live.

Narrator: Some time later...

Adam: I'm off to see some other things. So much to see, I wonder just how God managed to make it all. I'll get some mango for dinner. See if you can find some pineapple. But, remember, don't get THAT fruit [pointing to the tree].

[Adam starts walking off calling his friend]. Lion [Quite loudly second time] Lion, here kitty kitty; Adam now walks off stage (with a lion if one can be found).

Narrator: What they don't know is that the Serpent has been listening in and is awaiting the moment that Adam goes off so she can have a little discussion with Eve.

Eve: [Musing to herself, talking softly]

I wonder just why God put THAT tree here. It looks too delicious, but it's not for us.

Eve: What was that!

Serpent: It looks so delicious...

Eve: Yes but God, I love him. I don't want to do what he doesn't want. I'll die. He said...

Serpent: Nice to have knowledge.

Eve: Get away, who are you anyway?

Serpent: Your friend. Looks good that fruit, succulent, full of interesting tastes, why not HAVE it?

Eve: I will Die, Die if I eat it, the fruit [Nervous]

Serpent: NO, NO, NO [Laughing] It'll give you wisdom.

Eve: I must say it does look good, and it'll give me wisdom, what a quick way to get wisdom.

Narrator: Shaking a little, Eve reaches up and takes the fruit. Tingling with excitement she open her mouth and bites into the Fruit.

Eve: Wow, what a lovely fruit, and now I'll be wise, wise. Wait till I see Adam.

Narrator: [Adam enters the scene riding on the back of his favorite Lion.]

Eve: Adam.

Adam: Hey what, Eve, you'd never guess what I've been up to...

Eve: [Nervous] Adam. This fruit is great, so wise.

Adam: Where did you get it from?

Eve: That tree.

Adam: THAT tree? No, no, no. Not THAT tree. What have you done?

Eve: Well nothing really.

Adam: THAT tree is spiked with death.

Eve: So I'm alive, and I know what's what now.

Adam: Why didn't God tell us the truth?

Eve: Here try some. Makes you wise.

Adam: Yippee, some taste that. Now I know.

Eve: Level with God.

Narrator: [At this point God returns for his update time. Adam and Eve look around for a place to hide.]

Adam: Oh NO, it's God. What have we done? I've never felt like this before. I'm cut off. Excluded.

Eve: Here quick, put these over you, you're...

Adam: I'm not wearing anything, how do I know that?

Eve: He was right, it's all in the fruit

Adam: Oh why didn't you listen?

Eve: Oh why did YOU listen?

God: [Calling] Adam, where are you?

Adam: Er, here God.

God: Why were you hiding?

Adam: I can't look at you, you're so good.

God: Have you been listening to other advice?

Adam: It's Eve, Eve the helper you gave to me. She's so wise.

Eve: I heard the voices. They said I was going to be wise.

God: I said, don't. You've broken the special thing we had because you listened to the other things that sounded so good. You can no longer share this place with me. I've set a curse on you, and your offspring, you will surly die. As I live, you will die. You chose to rely on your judgement, now you'll have to rely on your own efforts.

Narrator: God then took a lamb, and killed it, letting its blood soak into the rich soil, and with tears in his eyes he took the skin and very carefully crafted two sets of cloths and gave them to Adam and Eve.

God: I'll break the curse, but it'll have to be avenged for with the suffering of all humanity. [The Lion starts eating meat.] Now out of here both of you. Choose to do it your way and you can have it your way. When you tame the Lion, you'll be received back in Paradise...

[Two Angels take a curtain and pull it between God and Adam and Eve.]
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 02:44 AM

Seems the more they dig up the more confused they become.

Its easy to see why China is at 44, the space programme, to
exalt the state at the cost of the people, true communism.
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