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#3661 Bader

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 06:44 AM

Why should it take a death in the family for people to tell it like it is? Very sad that the young marine has died promoting
international interests instead of defending the USA.

One could think of the number of Palestinian families over the last half century who have suffured much more, take for example the
headshoots on the children who are no threat to the tanks.
The deformed Iraqi babies from depleted uranium.

Thanks Woj:
regarding the peace conference, needless to say that it would have failed because a war was in the making, two in fact, and one of the most outstanding benefits through them all has been the state of Israel which now has the world on the brink of a third world war.
I cant go the bit about Nic 11 being anglo-saxon. Maybe Germano-saxon.

The Bush initiative in Arlington: one gets the impression that
presidential hopefuls have to prove themselves real go getters
without a conscience- no show no go.

Havent read anything about the Russian aircrash, was it another
overkill to rub out a couple?
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 01:10 PM

Bader/Donq;

Should companies require criminal background checks of all employees?


Yes 56%

No 28

Just new hires 16

http://discussions.w...inside_today_us

Stalin might have good time seeing his supporters
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 04:46 PM

I have perfect fun observing Bush
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 05:30 PM

<Have you ever you heard Queen Elizabeth criticizing Politic of England, US or Australia. no.
So don-t blame Americans; fish spoils from the head.

As long US is successful in crime, it means God supports the crime.
Americans will not bring changes in American Foreign Policy.
In contrary Americans love Bush rudeness, visible lack of education thought he has Harvard diploma . >

Howdy Woj
Nobody, not even the "Free Press" dares to say Bush has l-i-e-d, which leads me to ask myself, is the press watchdog or lapdog?

"What lies matter, Kerry's or Bush's?"
"Karl Marx held that history is shaped by control of the means of
production. In our times history is shaped by control of the means of
communication"
-Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

Funny Western Media. A scientist misteriously commits "suicide" and the BBC reporter and its own director are forced to resign over having used the word "lie" in the Iraq's WMDs issue. Nobody thus uses the forbidden word anymore in the Western "Free Press." I mean they don't apply it to Bush, Blair or Howard but the use it to go after Kerry over an incident that happened 35 years ago, which hardly has any significance nowadays, and certainly an incident that had no terrible consequences for others. Is it just another show to keep the voters off the real issue, ie. the WMDs? Is it another act of MEDIA COWARDICE?:confused:

"They accuse him of cowardice, hogging the limelight and lying."

Swift boat accounts flawed, incomplete
By Michael Dobbs
The Washington Post

WASHINGTON-- When John Kerry rescued James Rassmann from the Bay Hap River in the jungles of Vietnam in March 1969, neither man could have imagined the episode would become a much-disputed focus of a U.S. presidential campaign 35 years later.

For Kerry, then a Navy lieutenant junior grade and now the Democratic challenger to a wartime Republican president, that tale of heroism under fire has become integral to his campaign. A centerpiece of public rallies, videos and a new campaign advertisement, it has helped distinguish the candidate from his Democratic primary rivals and from President Bush, who spent the war at home as a member of the Texas Air National Guard.

For the Massachusetts senator's critics, who include three of the five Swift boat skippers who were present that day, the incident demonstrates why Kerry does not deserve to be commander in chief. They accuse him of cowardice, hogging the limelight and lying. Far from displaying coolness under fire, they say, Kerry was never fired upon and fled the scene at the moment of maximum danger.

Establishing the facts 35 years later is complicated by fading memories, sometimes ambiguous archival evidence and the bitterly partisan nature of the presidential campaign.

http://seattletimes....599_boat24.html
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 04:20 AM

Iraq: the clock's ticking $122,820 per minute

Was it a good "investment"?

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=93771
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 07:11 AM

if he supports crime?

The anglo-saxon fish spoils from the head eh Woj:
Woj= anglos-saxon slayer for the Lion.

I would love the Queen to suspend Blair and call for elections.
The Gov-General of Australia did that to Goff Witlam in 1976 or thereabouts, so the Queen must have the power to do so.
I think if you check it out Woj she has a constitutional role to play
as a figure-head. The Prime Minister has to brief her and discuss things at which time she may tell him what she thinks but she cant go pocking the borax at the PM through the media.
Then there is the issue of advisors. We can guess who appoints them and for why cant we, well me and DonQ can, you tend to protect the lion.

By the way Woj, saying the Tsar was anglo-saxon and you argue
the anglo-saxons rule the world. New York atheist Jews taking out the Tsar suggest something different.

"so dont blame Americans"
Who do you suggest we blame, your comments are ambiguos,
we can blame God or the Queen, which one or are both Anglo-Saxon?
The sybolism on US notes and Seal are not biblical Woj, they
illuminati and Catholic= ancient Babylon, orginal Lion kingdom.

The Russian Mafia was started by Russian Jews (Time Magazine)
as per usual they then move to the behind scenes and run things through non-jews. So no American interested in a politcal
career is going to tell the truth about "terrorism" in Russia. That
isnt news, thats old hat.

Kerry's war record has been partly covered up for obvious reasons. At such a time as this anything good has to become head line news, right? So the opposite applies.
He gave evidence post Vietnam to one of those talk fests congressional committees, or similar, about war crimes by US forces- the likes of rape, murder, raising villages (terrorism) etc.
I rather think they wouldnt have been interested in hearing it from a person claiming have seen it, it would only have any conviction if he was telling of his experiences. Rather interesting given that he was Navy man. Per-chance his ship got blow up a river and ran aground in hostile territory?
I would be interested to know the link between secret cult
membership and "experiences".
Has the US only got a choice between two Jeckle and Hyde persons?
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:53 PM

Bader;@ US only got a choice between two Jeckle and Hyde persons? @
Yes. But citizens deserve their president. You can not say that the Americans are sacrificed lamb.
Privately I see that Kerry will follow anti-Slavic trend what Clinton did and it will lead to WWIII.
---. U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ENDORSES BELARUS DEMOCRACY ACT
U.S. Senator John Kerry, the Democratic Party presidential candidate, has cosponsored the Belarus Democracy Act that provides for the promotion of democracy, human rights, and the rule of law in Belarus on 9 July. The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives by Representative Christopher Smith (Republican, New Jersey) in February 2003 and the Senate by Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Republican, Colorado) in March 2003 If enacted, the legislation would in particular impose a travel ban on senior Belarusian officials, prohibit any financial assistance to the Belarusian government, and require U.S. representatives in all international financial institutions to oppose delivery of any nonhumanitarian aid to Belarus. http://www.rferl.org.../cee-120704.asp


McCain reportedly said in Riga that U.S. congressmen will help the Belarusian opposition to "free Belarus from tyranny," and that the deposition of President Alyaksandr Lukashenka will take place with the help of "international pressure." "[Lukashenka] runs Belarus as if it was the Soviet Union, instilling a climate of fear, repression, and arbitrary rule," McCain said. "The provocative and insulting language of [McCain's] statements cannot be considered as an invitation for a constructive dialogue," Savinykh said. "Don't worry -- either in Russia or Belarus -- about some senators deposing Lukashenka," Lukashenka said in Sochi on 23 August, during a joint news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin. "It was not they who put me in this post, it is not for them to oust me," Lukashenka added and he was right. .US shouldn
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Posted 27 August 2004 - 12:59 PM

I also would like to see Hussain as a caditate for Iraq presidemt!
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NATIONALISTS CALL FOR HUSSEIN TO BE RELEASED
The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) has begun a picket outside the Iraqi Embassy in Moscow calling for an end to legal proceedings against deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Ekho Moskvy reported. "Hands Off Hussein." "Saddam Hussein ensured peace and calm in his republic," LDPR leader and State Duma Deputy Speaker Vladimir Zhirinovskii told demonstrators.

"OK, there were no other parties there, just one ruling party. But elections were held and people cast their votes for Saddam Hussein. If someone thinks that elections were held under pressure, let's hold elections now. :)

Saddam Hussein will win them, even from a prison cell." :) Zhirinovskii was a frequent visitor to Baghdad during Hussein's reign.:)


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Posted 27 August 2004 - 01:23 PM

Donq; Not cooperation but revenge makes your day.
Dirty Harry had it right: Brain scans show revenge really might make your day.
Planning revenge sparks enough satisfaction to motivate getting even
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Posted 28 August 2004 - 04:23 AM

< Not cooperation but revenge makes your day.
Dirty Harry had it right: Brain scans show revenge really might make your day.>

Woj, I don't claim it's good to turn the other cheek, but when that's your only motivation it can play in your enemy's hands and give you a couple of headaches...:confused:

What I say is that, instead of wasting time on how to take revenge on the f*** lion, we can spend more time on HOW TO BE FREE FROM HIM. I think that revenge is the motivation of many tyrants whose people end up in missery, but we need cool heads that know how to build the WATER WELL...;)
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Posted 28 August 2004 - 05:58 AM

> Doug Says: There have been no credible accounts of President
> Bush nor PM Blair lying about anything. Yet there are
> eyewitnesses that are saying John Kerry is lying. Kerry was not
> under fire when he pulled Rassman from the water, and Kerry's
> boat was not damaged by hostile fire on that date. No one on
> that river or in it was shot, or even wounded by any hostile
> fire. So in a small river, with hostile fire coming at four
> small boats for a full thirty minutes, not one GI or Boat was
> hit? Pleazzzze! Obviously Kerry is lying...again.
>
> Doug Grant ™

His heroism--or lack of it--doesn't change my life a bit. War in Iraq
does, and its cost in lives, money--which could be used for greater
security or simply to fight poverty--and the loss of image abroad is
unmeasurable.

But if you say Bush or Blair haven't lied you must still think your
parents didn't lie to you about Santa... ;)

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing
fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to
disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're
concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions
targeting the United States."

That's what Bush said. Do you believe in UFOs too? ;)

Did Bush Lie Us into War?
By John Dean

President George W. Bush has got a very serious problem. Before asking
Congress for a Joint Resolution authorizing the use of American
military forces in Iraq, he made a number of unequivocal statements
about the reason the United States needed to pursue the most radical
actions any nation can undertake -- acts of war against another
nation.

Now it is clear that many of his statements appear to be false. In the
past, Bush's White House has been very good at sweeping ugly issues
like this under the carpet and out of sight. But it is not clear that
they will be able to make the question of what happened to Saddam
Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) go away -- unless,
perhaps, they start another war.

That seems unlikely. Until the questions surrounding the Iraqi war are
answered, Congress and the public may strongly resist more of
President Bush's warmaking.

Presidential statements, particularly on matters of national security,
are held to an expectation of the highest standard of truthfulness. A
president cannot stretch, twist or distort facts and get away with it.
President Lyndon Johnson's distortions of the truth about Vietnam
forced him to stand down from reelection. President Richard Nixon's
false statements about Watergate forced his resignation.

Frankly, I hope the WMD are found, for it will end the matter.
Clearly, the story of the missing WMD is far from over. And it is too
early, of course, to draw conclusions. But it is not too early to
explore the relevant issues.



President Bush's Statements On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Readers may not recall exactly what President Bush said about weapons
of mass destruction; I certainly didn't. Thus, I have compiled these
statements below. In reviewing them, I saw that he had, indeed, been
as explicit and declarative as I had recalled.

Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:

United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002:


"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used
for the production of biological weapons."
Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002:


"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is
rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have."
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002:


"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical and biological
weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical
agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing
fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to
disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're
concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions
targeting the United States."

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear
weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi
nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his
nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is
rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear
program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength
aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which
are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003:


"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."
Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003:


"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
lethal weapons ever devised."
Should The President Get The Benefit Of The Doubt?

When these statements were made, Bush's let-me-mince-no-words posture
was convincing to many Americans. Yet much of the rest of the world,
and many other Americans, doubted them.

As Bush's veracity was being debated at the United Nations, it was
also being debated on campuses -- including those where I happened to
be lecturing at the time.

On several occasions, students asked me the following question: Should
they believe the president of the United States? My answer was that
they should give the president the benefit of the doubt, for several
reasons deriving from the usual procedures that have operated in every
modern White House and that, I assumed, had to be operating in the
Bush White House, too.

First, I assured the students that these statements had all been
carefully considered and crafted. presidential statements are the
result of a process, not a moment's thought. White House speechwriters
process raw information, and their statements are passed on to senior
aides who have both substantive knowledge and political insights. And
this all occurs before the statement ever reaches the president for
his own review and possible revision.

Second, I explained that -- at least in every White House and
administration with which I was familiar, from Truman to Clinton --
statements with national security implications were the most carefully
considered of all. The White House is aware that, in making these
statements, the President is speaking not only to the nation, but also
to the world.

Third, I pointed out to the students, these statements are typically
corrected rapidly if they are later found to be false. And in this
case, far from backpedaling from the president's more extreme claims,
Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer had actually, at times, been
even more emphatic than the president had. For example, on Jan. 9,
2003, Fleischer stated, during his press briefing, "We know for a fact
that there are weapons there."

In addition, others in the administration were similarly quick to back
the president up, in some cases with even more unequivocal statements.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly claimed that Saddam
had WMD -- and even went so far as to claim he knew "where they are;
they're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."

Finally, I explained to the students that the political risk was so
great that, to me, it was inconceivable that Bush would make these
statements if he didn't have solid intelligence to back him up.
Presidents do not stick their necks out only to have them chopped off
by political opponents on an issue as important as this, and if there
were any doubt, I suggested, Bush's political advisers would be
telling him to hedge. Rather than stating a matter as fact, he would
say: "I have been advised," or "our intelligence reports strongly
suggest," or some such similar hedge. But Bush had not done so.

So what are we now to conclude if Bush's statements are found, indeed,
to be as grossly inaccurate as they currently appear to have been?

After all, no WMD have been found, and given Bush's statements, they
should not have been very hard to find -- for they existed in large
quantities, "thousands of tons" of chemical weapons alone. Moreover,
according to the statements, telltale facilities, groups of scientists
who could testify and production equipment also existed.

So where is all that? And how can we reconcile the White House's
unequivocal statements with the fact that they may not exist?

There are two main possibilities. One, that something is seriously
wrong within the Bush White House's national security operations. That
seems difficult to believe. The other is that the President has
deliberately misled the nation, and the world.

more...

http://hnn.us/articles/1506.html
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Posted 28 August 2004 - 09:53 AM

Donq asks; @ Did Bush Lie Us into War? @ And I asks ;@Did Clinton lie US into war?@
Yes. They Both Bush and Clinton did. .
And US problem is not only Bader question; @Has the US only got a choice between two Jeckle and Hyde persons?@
but more important question?

Could a foreign power be in a position to influence U.S. policy ?



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Posted 28 August 2004 - 01:43 PM

http://engforum.prav...574#post1007574
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Posted 28 August 2004 - 07:06 PM

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=93974

It got this interesting reply...;)

<If too few broke todays driving rules then newer rules would be inplaced to ensure lots of people broke a rule sometime, somewhere.

Most traffic laws are money grabs, nothing else.

Most laws are money grabs, or just to ensure profits and jobs for certain large sectors.Half your prison population would be better served out of prison, but no profits for private prison systems that way, and fewer costs equal fewer dollars to be skimmed off by beaurocrats..

There should be a ban on lawyers in politics, as well as businessmen. But then, who else can afford politics, which is set up for the rich and controlling..Owl>

***

Which boils down to the same thing we've said before: The lion sets up STUPID LAWS which are bound to be broken--only to prey on you.:confused:
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Posted 28 August 2004 - 11:31 PM

A donkey or an elephant who on earth would care less?

"He is a hawk, a war criminal and an arch murderer. .. We do not want him here," said Yiannis Sifakakis, who is organizing a march to the U.S. Embassy on Friday.
"Colin Powell is coming here while the Americans are killing people in Iraq .
Colin Powell canceled plans to attend the Olympics closing ceremony in Athens on Sunday, a visit that had triggered angry protests from anti-war groups.
"This is a huge victory for the anti-war movement which protested by the thousands in the streets of Athens last night." , About 1,500 members of the Greek Communist Party peacefully marched through Athens chanting "Get the Killer Imperialists Out of Greece
Some Americans in central Syndagma Square appeared startled at a procession of red flag-waving Greeks carrying posters vilifying Powell.
"Powell is anything but a killer. This makes me sick to the stomach. It is very disheartening," said a tourist from California. http://news.yahoo.co...powell_protest_
True surprising party for some, ha, ha ha.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 04:40 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
A donkey or an elephant who on earth would care less?

"He is a hawk, a war criminal and an arch murderer. .. We do not want him here," said Yiannis Sifakakis, who is organizing a march to the U.S. Embassy on Friday.
"Colin Powell is coming here while the Americans are killing people in Iraq .
Colin Powell canceled plans to attend the Olympics closing ceremony in Athens on Sunday, a visit that had triggered angry protests from anti-war groups.
"This is a huge victory for the anti-war movement which protested by the thousands in the streets of Athens last night." , About 1,500 members of the Greek Communist Party peacefully marched through Athens chanting "Get the Killer Imperialists Out of Greece
Some Americans in central Syndagma Square appeared startled at a procession of red flag-waving Greeks carrying posters vilifying Powell.
"Powell is anything but a killer. This makes me sick to the stomach. It is very disheartening," said a tourist from California. http://news.yahoo.co...powell_protest_
True surprising party for some, ha, ha ha.



'"The police mobilised a very big disruption and oppression and arrests," said Brad Taylor of A31, a group that has announced a series of civil disobedience actions during the convention.'

Howdy Woj
And the protests in New York are no less dramatic, though of course there's a lot of intimidation going on...:mad:

Anti-Bush bikers block New York streets

August 28 2004 at 04:44PM

By Grant McCool

New York - Thousands of cyclists snarled traffic in New York on Friday night and police said they arrested more than 250 people and confiscated their bicycles in the first significant protest against American President George Bush before the Republican convention.

More demonstrations were expected on Saturday, including a march across the Brooklyn Bridge organized by Planned Parenthood group to support women's constitutional right to choose an abortion and other reproductive health issues.

There were also two events planned by peace groups opposed to the Bush administration's military and diplomatic responses to the September 11 attacks on America by Islamic militants.

Friday night's protest lasted several hours at a time when central Manhattan was crowded with theatergoers and people at restaurants and bars. Traffic was brought to a virtual standstill in the chaos.

Many of the protesters chanted "No more Bush" as the Republicans prepared to nominate the president at the August 30-September 2 convention in Madison Square Garden to run for a second White House term in the November election against Democratic candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

Police said they arrested 264 people and seized their bicycles in the protest mounted by a group called Critical Mass, which wants to boost the rights of cyclists in traffic-clogged city streets. It stages rides in cities around the world on the last Friday of each month.

The New York Police Department said in a statement that about 5 000 cyclists gathered at Union Square in Manhattan for the ride and that officers warned cyclists about breaking traffic laws.

But activists said police over-reacted and began cordoning off riders and arresting them when they broke naturally into groups after stopping at traffic lights or otherwise slowing down.

A member of Reality Check A31 Media, which is monitoring convention protests for activists who have come to New York from all over the country, said police arrested many cyclists after they ended the ride at a church.

"The police mobilised a very big disruption and oppression and arrests," said Brad Taylor of A31, a group that has announced a series of civil disobedience actions during the convention.

The largest anti-Bush demonstration is scheduled for Sunday when an estimated 200 000 are expected to march past Madison Square Garden to decry the war in Iraq and other Bush policies under the banner "The World Says No To The Bush Agenda."

The United for Peace and Justice group organizing Sunday's march was denied a permit to rally in Central Park because city officials said a large crowd would damage the grass.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 05:23 AM

(source: Did Bush lie to us?)

'"I had no idea I would be sacked by a board of governors behaving
like frightened rabbits caught in car headlights," he said, calling
for the six now to resign.'

I guess after Greg Dyke's comments we can still tune to the BBC for
quality programming but not for news. I don't think we are likely to
get the courageous reporting that we need from frightened rabbits...:(

Blair's office like Nixon White House: ousted BBC chief

LONDON (AFP) - Greg Dyke, the former BBC director general ousted over
the broadcaster's coverage of the Iraq (news - web sites) conflict,
unleashed a scorching attack on the government of Prime Minister Tony
Blair (news - web sites), blaming it for trying to bully the BBC into
submission.

Dyke, in excerpts of his upcoming book "Inside Story" published in The
Observer and the Mail on Sunday, also scalded the BBC governing board
for pandering to Blair's office by pushing him out.

"We were all duped," he said of the argument Blair made to drum up
support for the Iraq war. "History will not be on Blair's side, it
will show that the whole saga is a great political scandal."

Blair was "either incompetent and took Britain to war on a
misunderstanding, or he lied when he told the House of Commons that he
didn't know what the 45-minute claim meant."

Dyke referred to a claim made, then retracted, by Blair's office in
arguing for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s overthrow, that Iraq
could deploy chemical or biological weapons in just 45 minutes.

A BBC reporter accused the government of "sexing up" its dossier with
the false claim, thereby triggering a scandal that pitted the BBC
against the government in an open and rare conflict.

An official inquiry, led by Lord Hutton to look into the death of a
scientist used as a source for that story, cleared the government of
blame but criticized the BBC. Dyke resigned under pressure after six
members of the governing board voted for his removal.

"I had no idea I would be sacked by a board of governors behaving like
frightened rabbits caught in car headlights," he said, calling for the
six now to resign.

Blair's former media advisor Alastair Campbell, too, was a "deranged,
vindictive bastard" who vilified the BBC for its refusal to bow to
Downing Street over the war, Dyke said.

"Over seven years (in Blair's cabinet) he turned Downing Street into a
place with overtone of (Richard) Nixon's White House. You were either
for them or against them. And if you opposed them, you became the
enemy," Dyke wrote.

"I saw Campbell calling us liars and demanding heads should roll. I
assumed that Blair had deliberately unleashed the dogs against us," he
quoted former BBC chairman Gavyn Davies, who also resigned, as saying.

Dyke also revealed for the first time that Blair had sent Davies and
him a letter in March 2003, a week before the US and British invasion
in Iraq, which he called an "obvious attempt by Campbell to bully us".

Blair wrote to the BBC heads that he had been shocked by media
coverage that showed "a real breakdown of the separation of news and
comment".

Dyke's comments are likely to reignite furor over the Hutton inquiry,
criticized as a whitewash for Blair, and the treatment of the BBC, one
of the world's standard-bearers for journalism.

The controversial news report led to the resignations of the
journalist, Andrew Gilligan, Blair's trusted advisor Campbell, Dyke
and Davies.

David Kelly, an expert on Iraqi weapons, committed suicide in July
2003 after being publicly outed as the source for Gilligan's radio
report.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 09:02 AM

Donq; @heads should roll. @

John Howard must go. Winning Labor Party in October in Australia would prevent forth consecutive reign of John Howard as a prime minister. Regardless left or right these all these who supported war on Iraq or Yugoslavia must go.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@heads should roll. @

"The World Says No To The Bush Agenda. Yes "but it means also
"The World Says No To The Iraq Agenda and it means "The World Says No To The Israel Agenda and it means not for Kerry as a president either. :)
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#3679 Bader

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:31 AM

There seems to be a natural truth/wisdom to this Woj, that people get the leaders they deserve.
But protesting against Bush and voting him out is nothing, Kerry
will carry on just the same, the whole shooting match is corrupted by money-power.

What John Dean doesnt appreciate is that there is no opposition
in American politics.

"Could a foreign power be in a position to influence US foreign policy?"
For so long Woj I have tried to tell you that.
Rephrase the question: Is it posible for the US to influence their own foreign policy? The answer is no.
They dont own the Federal Reserve to whom they are hopelessly in debt. The US forces are the enforcer of the international bankers- NWO.
Fleischer is an Israeli and Fieth may be the other one who has an Israel passport.
Sharon reminded Peres about three years ago that the Jews controlled the US, they didnt have to worry about US reactions to what they did.
The AIPAC American Israel Public Affairs Committee is one of the most powerful lobby groups in the US. They take members from the two major parties to Israel who want to woo the US jewish vote.
Congressman Moran told people that it was the Jewish influence that determined the war with Iraq.
And the Vatican had established its roots at the very founding of the nation as well.
A rich and powerful freemans country wasnt going to spoil the
ancient tentacles that enveloped and ****ed the life out of
societies.
Bush is just a selected pawn, a puppet on a string.
But its all happenstance, doesnt mean anything. Just like the untruths spoken about Iraq, all just happenstance - move on folks, nothing to see here.
Powell lied to the UN before the invasion, probably just a slip of the tongue.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 03:38 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Donq; @heads should roll. @

John Howard must go. Winning Labor Party in October in Australia would prevent forth consecutive reign of John Howard as a prime minister. Regardless left or right these all these who supported war on Iraq or Yugoslavia must go.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@heads should roll. @

"The World Says No To The Bush Agenda. Yes "but it means also
"The World Says No To The Iraq Agenda and it means "The World Says No To The Israel Agenda and it means not for Kerry as a president either. :)



Australians Unite!:D
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