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#3721 donquijote

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Posted 02 September 2004 - 01:41 AM

> > Again just go ahead and ignore the fact that so many parents are
> > irresponsible and unfit. Does that mean that their children must
> > suffer? OF COURSE the responsibility lies with the parents!!! BUT
> > THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT SO! That does not change the fact that some
> > parents are simply not responsible. So you are saying oh well those
> > kids are ****ed, too bad?? That is exactly what you and others are
> > saying. Not to mention the children that have no parents in the first
> > place. Many unfit parents simply cave into their childrens nagging
> > because they dont give a **** they just want to shut their kids up.
>
> <snip>
>
> I've long been an advocate of an aptitude test before one is allowed
> to breed. Call it totalitarian if you want, but how the hell else are
> you going to keep morons from breeding more morons?
>

OK, Dr. Mengele, what else you propose? Maybe using the poor as
Guinnea pigs? You sure are an animal lover...maybe a German Shepherd?
;)

> Regulating fast food TV commercials isn't the answer because after you
> do that, what's next? TV shows with too much violence (which the
> moron parents let their too-young kids watch)? Magazine articles with
> "unsuitable" content? Badmouthing of one's children? Alcohol
> consumption in any amount if you happen to be a parent? Unwed
> parenthood?

We should allow again cigarettes in the hands of children. Oh, alcohol
too. "Play hard, live short" could be the slogan...
>
> Idiots will always find a way to behave like idiots, often in front of
> their children. The only way you can change that is to have the
> government take total control of every aspect of child-rearing...i.e.
> put them all in orphanages.

And have them work 12 hour shifts so they learn the value of hard
labor.
>
> OR...you can expect grownups to take a little responsibility for their
> actions, and NOT give them some kind of whiney "out" by letting them
> sue every Tom, Dick and Harry for poor outcomes that they, the
> parents, ought to have been responsible for in the first place.
>
> Mark, MD

The parents don't take responsibility for their actions, but does the
government? Last time I heard they were blaming everybody but
themselves in having f***ed up in Iraq, not to name on every major
social issue right here in Amerikkka... ;)
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 03:31 AM

All Quiet on the Homefront

It could be very well be the name of this article in allusion to "All Quiet on the Western Front," the famous anti-war book by Erich Maria Remarque. The Iraqi front lives under the Law of the Jungle, and so does the homefront...

What's the Solution?

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=94678
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 06:00 AM

I got into the majority DonQ on that last one.

Why reform them before you arm the criminals? Bush wasnt.

Parents/breeding/the right to live-to eat etc:

Society because of the capitalist-debt money system, more than any other single issue, cant afford the cost of "inefficency".
If I can clarify what I mean by the money systems scourge: Its inflationary which means it erodes the value of currency/savings
etc over time meaning the standard of living must go down on that alone. Secondly the exponential growth of debt grows faster than any economy can over time which means the nation is fiscally on a hiding to nowhere- and will have to hand over real assets to the bankers major players (round one has already been completed in many countries). Thirdly the cost of playing the impossible catch-up with debt and financial costs while restricting consumers disposable incomes making it more impossible for industry to clear its goods putting every nation in the same impossible situation of trying to all sell and not buy.
The general outcome is that families suffer because the have the least power, as the individual.
I wont list all the social problems which include behaviour, housing, health and education etc but they all suffer and produce
huge costly problems which demand huge borrowing which society cant afford and no private investers are going to invest in.
As technology increases production and reduces wages (full employment) the means of clearing production/ the impossible trade/fiscal balance issue goes off the map.
So what has it come down to?
Abortion - kill your infants (eugenics practiced by Nazi and Jews and others?)
Euthenasia- get rid of the old and those who are a burdon because they cant slave away like the rest of us winners.
Put them in prison and throw away the key. US biggest imprisoning nation in the world. Pure role-model and is kicking to death other nations who "hate" freedom.
Fine parents or stop any benefits if their children offend, truant etc and they are aready poor, great idea when prisons systems are privately owned. Like beating people after the are already unconscious. How refreshingly intelligent!
Its class/social eugenic based on anger. Its sufisticated social terrorim. Its not about solving the problems its about eliminating the (social/politcal) problems Nazi/Soviet style.
I suggest we call it modern world canabalism - preying on the
weaker (inefficent) in society; or a revival of ancient
cults who believed in sacrificing people to their god. This time its the god of money.
Its only a good system as long as its happening to someone elses family. Like that man who only saw something wrong in young Americans dying for corporate profits in Iraq until his son was killed and then set fire to the vehicle of those who came to tell him.

As for families, the state has over intruded and usurped
responsibilities and must share some of the blame and television
is a huge invasion of the family/parents influence by all sorts of values/cultures that in some respects is the equivalent of no drivers licences, number plates,
road rules or law; or liquor and drugs accessable to all,
and many other like comparisons.
There is no question that self-rightieousness outside religion is as dangerous as any inside despotic religion.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Bader
Abortion - kill your infants (eugenics practiced by Nazi and Jews and others?)



Hitler made abortion illegal.
What was more; he collected Aryan looking woman in Poland for forceful reproduction and child adoption in Germany, so don
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 10:05 AM

Iraq War, Once Bush's Re-Election Trump Card, May Be Liability
In May 2003, President George W. Bush stood before a ``Mission Accomplished'' banner on the USS Abraham Lincoln and declared an end to major combat in Iraq.
That month, 68 percent of Americans said the U.S. had made the right decision in invading Iraq,
As U.S. casualties mounted, to 971 killed and 6,690 wounded as of Aug. 27, and attacks and kidnappings continued, Americans changed their mind.
In another survey by the University of Maryland published Aug. 20, support for the invasion dropped to 46 percent.
Sixty-nine percent said the war had damaged the U.S. image abroad.
``It's been a stunning turn of events,'' `Bush gambled on the war in Iraq, and so far, it is not a winning hand.'' http://quote.bloombe...bvwo&refer=home

Maybe a siege involving 354 hostages at a school in the south Russia and the kidnapping French reporters were intended as a helping hand.
Perfect timing anyway .
French and Slavs unite !:)
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 11:37 AM

> > 'Cities are designed for automobiles, not for healthier ways of
> > getting about like walking or bicycling. "In fact, we've made it
> > *dangerous and unattractive* to do so," says Willett, recalling a
> > symposium on urban environments that the School of Public Health held
> > with the Graduate School of Design: "For the architects, designing
> > spaces to encourage physical activity wasn't even on the table."'
> > http://www.harvard-m...ine/050465.html
>
>
> Here we go again, blaming automobiles for every evil in the world.
> Cities are designed to make efficient use of resources - in other words,
> to allow the maximum number of people, while squeezed into the smallest
> amount of space, to get to where they need to go in the shortest amount
> of distance possible using the most effective means technology makes
> available (which these days is by car, train, or bus). Bike lanes,
> extra-wide sidewalks and buildings that give you extra room to run
> around would eat up too much space and reduce the number of people and
> businesses that a city can support, and would impact productivity in a
> negative way. The solution for sedentary lifestyles caused by this?
> Either move to the country or get an exercise machine.
>

No wonder we are in bad shape, and no wonder we went into war to get
more oil, and no wonder we are polluting everything just to please us
big fat Americans. Not a chance to introduce bike lanes or even safe
sidewalks, only SUVs cut it. And if you don't like it move elsewhere.
The problem, my friend, that's a recipe for trouble: and you may be
cooking in your own juice.;)
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 11:51 AM

<Put them in prison and throw away the key. US biggest imprisoning nation in the world. Pure role-model and is kicking to death other nations who "hate" freedom.>

Howdy Bader
I'm only going to pick on this issue. Hey, who said America is not #1? At least in prison population, it is...;)

Adult Corrections Population Hits Record
Jul 26, 11:23 AM (ET)
By CURT ANDERSON

WASHINGTON (AP) - A record 6.9 million adults were incarcerated or on probation or parole last year, nearly 131,000 more than in 2002, according to a Justice Department study.

Put another way, about 3.2 percent of the adult U.S. population, or 1 in 32 adults, were incarcerated or on probation or parole at the end of last year.

A record 4.8 million adults were on probation or parole in 2003, about 73,000 more than the year before. About 70 percent of adults involved in federal, state or local corrections systems fall into this category. The states of California and Texas together accounted for about 1 million.

The number of adults on parole after serving a prison sentence rose by 3.1 percent from 2002 to 2003, to more than 774,500 people. That compares with an average annual rise of about 1.7 percent since 1995 for those on parole, a figure that has been increasing at a much slower rate than those in jails (4 percent a year), in prison (3.4 percent) and on probation (2.9 percent).

Since 1995, states around the country have increased the use of mandatory parole after prison release and cut down on use of discretionary releases overseen by parole boards, the report says.

The report, released Sunday, focused most on the characteristics of those on probation or parole. Its findings include:

_Almost half of all probationers were convicted of a felony, with 25 percent convicted of a drug violation.

_Washington state had the highest number of people on probation per 100,000 population, at 3,767. New Hampshire had the lowest rate at 426.

_Of the 2.2 million people discharged from probation in 2003, three out of five met the conditions of their supervision. Another 16 percent were jailed because of a rule violation or a new crime, with 4 percent becoming fugitives.

_About 95 percent of those on parole had been convicted of a felony.

_Of the 470,500 parolees discharged from supervision last year, 38 percent went back to jail for a new crime or a rule violation, with 9 percent becoming fugitives.

http://apnews.myway..../D842I40G0.html
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Bader
There is no question that self-rightieousness outside religion is as dangerous as any inside despotic religion.




Thank you TSCRYPTO for your quote; Best answer I see in Nietzsche philosophy. This German philosopher with Polish background (Necki) says ;
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

The last Christian died on the cross.

The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad

Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual.

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

Faith: not *wanting* to know what is true

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

The better the state is established, the fainter is humanity

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself

http://engforum.prav...?threadid=94708

Since there, now we can go
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 05:29 PM

President of all no Polish in Poland ; Mr. Kwasniewski and President of all no Mexicans in Mexico; Mr Fox, both have psychological problem with separation with their presidencies.
So they accidently both try to set their wives on Presidential chairs.
Poll immediately predicted in Poland winning Mrs Kwasniewska in election
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 02:41 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
President of all no Polish in Poland ; Mr. Kwasniewski and President of all no Mexicans in Mexico; Mr Fox, both have psychological problem with separation with their presidencies.
So they accidently both try to set their wives on Presidential chairs.
Poll immediately predicted in Poland winning Mrs Kwasniewska in election-..
When came question about business dealing suddenly Mrs Kwasniwska declared resignation.
It is very strange that Mrs Fox also change her mind about presidency. Mexico's First Lady, Marta Fox, finally announced that she would not be running for president.
The left-wing opposition was furious with the idea that a president could try to nominate his spouse to succeed him and they quoted the "No Re-Election" slogan of Mexico's revolution. http://news.ft.com/c...000e2511c8.html

Conclusion; Rye or Corn diet has no different in grasping the presidency status.:)



Howdy Woj
Good articles lately. Speaking of Mexico, I just saw a mini-series on Emiliano Zapata, the rebel leader who launched the agrarian revolution in the 1910s. Upon arriving in Mexico City, after military campaign he refuses to seat in the presidential chair. He says, "burn it, before it tempts anyone.";) Not many like that today. Zapata is considered much of an anarchist having been introduced to Kropotkin...

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Posted 03 September 2004 - 03:10 AM

The attack by the big lion on the small lion did't make the world any safer. Actually it made unsafer. Now the other little lions think that their best chance of survival may be in growing powerful teeths and paws.;)

Iran Sees Nuclear Lesson in Iraq, N.Korea
Sept. 2, 2004 --By David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration may think tough talk will discourage Iran's nuclear ambitions, but U.S. policy on Iraq and North Korea has left the Islamic state believing that only nuclear weapons can deter the possibility of U.S. invasion, experts said on Thursday.

Iran, which President Bush has branded part of an "axis of evil" along with North Korea and prewar Iraq, saw Baghdad fall to U.S.-led forces in April 2003, the same month that North Korea told the United States it possessed nuclear weapons.

Now, with 138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and North Korean diplomatic talks promising attractive benefits for Pyongyang, Ray Takeyh of the Council on Foreign Relations said the message to Iran was clear.

"You've got to become North Korea, or you will be Iraq," said Takeyh, the council's senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies.

http://www.abcnews.g...040902_456.html
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 05:17 AM

Howdy Woj:

Dont shoot first and ask questions later.

The line about eugenics had a question mark behind it. I hope you dont drive like you read and ignore the signs and what they mean.
Eugenics is about discourahing the weakers members of a race/ethnic group to breed or have children unless they are healthy and an asset to the race. This is about racism. It is not a distortion of fact as presented, both encouraged it.
It was put it after abortion because the fear of a incomplete/handicapped child is a common excuse for abortion,
which is a similar situation and I would expect one of the reason for promoting abortion and control of pregnancy is to keep down the numbers of the less efficient (lower socio-economic group) in society.
Then again the ability to look after and support children and their needs is so much harder because of the failure of the money/economic system as servant of society as a whole rather than an upper class. Thus this adds pressure to abort when a
economic democracy would be able to allow people to have the children they want and provide for them, and likewise the state regards health and education.
One doesnt have to go outside western countries to see what is happening in Iraq to see that the leaders are sick and deluded.
In humanity to man is everywhere. But then you are on record for cellibrating such. Until its your turn as I said last post, its all great as long as it happening to someone else in another country.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 11:26 AM

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Howdy Woj:

Dont shoot first and ask questions later.

It was put it after abortion because the fear of a incomplete/handicapped child is a common excuse for abortion,
which is a similar situation and I would expect one of the reason for promoting abortion and control of pregnancy is to keep down the numbers of the less efficient (lower socio-economic group) in society.
Then again the ability to look after and support children and their needs is so much harder because of the failure of the money/economic system as servant of society as a whole rather than an upper class.



School in Bieslawa is under Russian control. Maybe some bandits will get asylum in Denmark or UK embassy
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 12:04 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
School in Bieslawa is under Russian control. Maybe some bandits will get asylum in Denmark or UK embassy-Both these countries stopped to even try to pretend the human decency.



UN SECURITY COUNCIL CONDEMNS NORTH OSSETIA HOSTAGE TAKING
The UN Security Council met late on 1 September at Russia's request and denounced the hostage taking in North Ossetia, ITAR-TASS and other media reported. The council's statement called on all UN member countries to call for the immediate release of the hostages and to cooperate with the Russian authorities in bringing the organizers and perpetrators of the hostage taking to justice. "Vremya novostei" noted on 2 September that Russia did not seek similar international support during previous similar crises, including during the October 2002 Moscow theater hostage drama. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said "it is clear that the roots of these actions have an international character," the daily reported. He added that they were aimed at "the process of stabilization" in Chechnya by people who want to destroy the "establishment of peace and stability there." RC http://www.rferl.org...sline/1-rus.asp

Why it is no news in US or UK Media? :)
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 03:30 PM

<One doesnt have to go outside western countries to see what is happening in Iraq to see that the leaders are sick and deluded.
In humanity to man is everywhere. But then you are on record for cellibrating such. Until its your turn as I said last post, its all great as long as it happening to someone else in another country. >

Hi Bader
Yep, I'm afraid that's the way it is. And that's some nasty behavior that should be held in contempt along with terrorism...:mad:

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haps,it`s a pity that the countries you mentioned also support terrorism.Denmark.....Ferzauli,one of the Chechen terrorists got a shelter there.Zakaev was sheltered there too.when russia asked Denmark to extradict him,coz` he is wanted by Interpol,the latter refused.Moreover,US whispered Denmark to its ear that if it would dare to extradic Zakaev to Russia it`d have probs with USa.After that Zakaev could without difficulties to get political aylum in Britain as well as Bersovski,another man whose hands are in blood of innocent people in chechnya.He sponsored many teroristic attacks in chechnya.UK movie actress Redgrave is openly walkng with Zakaev holding him under his arm in British streets.
Nice examples how to cry to the whole world about struggling against terrorism........
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Howdy USSR
I came across this article that shines in some aspects and fails miserably in others (Bush speaking about the solution to terrorism).

"If an administration resorts to "an eye for an eye" law, which is the law of the jungle, things can go worse."

This could be true in Chechnya, but it's also true in Iraq. The Law of the Jungle is not sustainable anymore. We must seek JUSTICE AND FREEDOM FOR ALL...

"The world is divided into two camps: all who abhor freedom, because they only want it for themselves, are in one; those who love freedom, and want it for all, are in another"
-Jose Marti (1853-95)

(I have used some [?] in appropriate places)

Putin must win the hearts of Chechens
By Mohammed A.R. Galadari

2 September 2004

'ANOTHER hostage drama is unfolding in Russia. The fate of hundreds of hostages, a large number of them children, is in balance in the latest militant offensive in a region bordering Chechnya. How long can the nation be held to ransom? President Putin will have to seriously find out what is really needed to solve the problem in Chechnya.'

Dear readers, I have no direct knowledge of the real reasons behind the ongoing disturbances in Chechnya, other than what is reported off and on. So, when I recently had an occasion to meet the Russian Ambassador for UAE at a G-8 luncheon in the capital, I asked him what was this all about. Why was it that Russia was not giving independence to Chechnya, while it had allowed the separation of several provinces during the break-up of the once-mighty USSR. Many of these provinces that turned into independent nations in the Central Asian region are pre-dominantly Muslim. Religion didn't come in the way of their attaining the sovereignty. The Ambassador replied that, unlike the provinces that won independence, Chechnya is very much part of Russia, and that no nation can part with its own land and people.

But, the fact is that Chechnya remains on tenterhooks. It might have had an election, and the winner might be a man that Russia wanted to be at the helm there, but the basic issue-namely the demand for separation and independence-remains strong there. The violence, like bomb blasts, or the Kidnappings and hostage-takings, are the symptoms of an underlying malaise. You cannot have a healthy body if it is ailing inside. The illness has to be diagnosed and proper medicine administered or remedial actions undertaken. How you do it is your problem, but you have to do it in a way that there is minimum damage to your own body.

If an administration resorts to "an eye for an eye" law, which is the law of the jungle, things can go worse. I am afraid this is happening in Chechnya. If there are no issues to be solved, the problem cannot carry on for long. It causes disaster to both sides. Why do people risk their own lives and enter into suicide missions? There is an element of desperation in it. A responsible government will have to look into the issues, study the matters deep, and find a solution in a spirit of give-and-take.

Dear readers, let me draw your attention to Ulster, about which I had made a mention in this column the other day. The Catholics were a minority in Ulster, Northern Ireland. And a spree of violence demanding that it be reunified with the Republic of Ireland took many lives and spread mayhem even in London at a time. But, the scenario there dramatically changed with signing of the Good Friday agreement, through the good offices of the then US president Bill Clinton, in 1998 and the follow up measures at the hands of the British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Peter Mandelson. All efforts were made to make the Catholics, the indigenous people, feel at home, in the midst of the Protestant majority. The government gave equality of authority, and equal opportunities for employment for the minorities. People felt there was no discrimination, and the scenario changed for the better. Peace has come to stay in Northern Ireland.

I think the Russian government should do something on the same lines. Rather than fighting people, it should make an earnest effort to endear the people. Afterall, they are their own people. Putin must work for peace and strive to strike a deal. Peace is in Putin's interest as well. Once a settlement is reached, the people of Chechnya can proudly say, "We are Russians". Putin, on his part, has not had a long political grounding before he took power. He was KGB chief, and those who functioned as officials always may not look at issues from the people's point of view. [?] But, Putin has grown with the years at the helm. And he would grow in stature as time passes--and in esteem if he takes the right steps to settle his country's problems.

The media, that acts as a corrective force in other societies, [?]may not have the freedom to speak out the way it wants in Russia. Complaints from the Chechen side are many, and they mainly relate to the high-handedness of the Russian Army. People are upset over the atrocities and rapes that the army is said to be inflicting on the population. They feel humiliated and frustrated, the levels of which are evident from the way young men and women form part of suicide squads. How can a person in a normal situation think of blowing himself up the way these men and women do? As president Bush said, and I respect his good sense, that the problem of these men is that "they have no hope for the future" , and "we feel they have no freedom and democracy". [?]

Putin is still youthful and has many more years left for active political life. He has a long way to go, especially in the kind of system that is operational in Russia. He should have a broader perspective of things, and of what benefits his nation and his people in the long run. No one have ever thought there would be peace in Ulster. But it is a reality today because of the good steps that the governments concerned have taken at the right time. There is no reason why Chechnya should continue to be a pain in Russia's neck.

http://64.4.30.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_...> ion%3dcomment
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 04:42 PM

Which economy do you expect to be biggest 75 years from now?
The U.S. 32 %

The European Union 6%

China 62%


http://discussions.w...inside_today_us


So US dream came out; Dream of Russians and Slavs nonexistence.:)
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 05:04 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Which economy do you expect to be biggest 75 years from now?
The U.S. 32 %

The European Union 6%

China 62%


http://discussions.w...inside_today_us


So US dream came out; Dream of Russians and Slavs nonexistence.:)



Of course, OURS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE DREAM, but Europe's dream is far ahead of America and, needless to say, China...;)

The European Dream
The new Europe has its own cultural vision -- and it may be better than ours
By Jeremy Rifkin, The European Dream
September / October 2004 Issue

The set of beliefs we call the American Dream underlies one of history's great success stories, an unbroken cultural ascent lasting more than 200 years. But how well are we doing today? In this selection from his provocative new book, social thinker Jeremy Rifkin argues that the American Dream has turned into a liability that has us clinging to an outmoded past. Meanwhile, a different vision of life that's now emerg-ing from Europe could be the world's best hope for negotiating its shared global future. -- The Editors

What really separates America from all earlier political experiments is the unbounded hope and enthusiasm, the optimism that is so thick at times it can bowl you over. This is a land dedicated to possibilities, a place where constant improvement is the only meaningful compass and economic progress is regarded to be as certain as the rising sun. We are a people who threw off the yoke of tyranny and vowed never to be ruled by arbitrary elites of any kind. We eschew class distinctions and the hereditary transmission of status, embrace the democratic spirit, and believe that everyone should be judged solely on merit.

Americans have long been aware of our special circumstance. We think of America as a refuge for every human being who has ever dreamed of a better life and been willing to risk his or her own to come here and start over.

That's why it saddens me to say that America is no longer a great country. Yes, it's still the most powerful economy in the world, with a military presence unmatched in all of history. But to be a great country, it is necessary to be a good country. It is true that people everywhere enjoy American cultural forms and consumer goods. America is even envied, but it is no longer admired as it once was. The American Dream, once so coveted, has increasingly become an object of derision. Our way of life no longer inspires; rather, it is now looked on as outmoded and, worse yet, as something to fear, or abhor.

more...;)

http://www.utne.com/...mo/11349-1.html
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 05:16 PM

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Posted 03 September 2004 - 06:59 PM

I said a while back the Chechen problem would get worse after the US/Zionists had control of Iraq. They will try and destablise both Russia and Iran, just as they did Jogoslavia.
The success of UE will depend on taking Russia, because until they do they have a confined space, you cant live in the Atlantic.
And Chine wont be isolated.
The UK and the US remain as long as the banksters want their currency to stand. They can fold them anytime and the Euro will
rule.
The concern of an independant Chechnia is that it will become an antiRussian base. The Israelis are training Kurd commandos for operation in the surrounding countries, Jugoslavia all over again,
so the same one way or another will go on until Russia's forces are under Nato.

The IRA never actually surrendered. They were financially sunk,
at the start of the Terrorist war, Jerry Adams had to disappear
off the world stage overnight, because he was the US fundraiser
for the IRA war against Britain. Blair and Clinton both condoned catholic marxist terrorism, hypocricy has ruled for a long time.
We can guess where Chechen funding comes from.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 08:14 PM

I know you are going like this, Bader...;)

President Declares "Ownership Society"
Tells Convention He's Ordered Invasion of Social Security Trust Fund
by Greg Palast

September 2, 2004 17:06

[New York] Of all the bone-headed, whacky, breathtakingly threatening
schemes George W. Bush is trying to sell us in his acceptance speech
tonight is something he and his handlers call, "the Ownership Society."
Sounds cool, "ownership." Everyone gets a piece of the action.
Everyone's a winner as the economy zooms. All boats rise.

Sure. Behind the hooray-for-free-enterprise crapola is that dog-eared
game-plan to siphon off Social Security revenues to pay for making
Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent.

Here's what the President has in mind. Social Security is an insurance
plan. You pay in, you get back. But it's hard to get your money back
when there's a war where the Clinton surplus used to be. It's not the
war on terror, or the war in Iraq, though Lord knows those have cost us
a bundle with nothing to show for all the lost loot. I'm talking about
the class war that Dubya and his Dick Cheney have waged on the average
working person.

We're talking an economic Pearl Harbor here. While firemen and
policemen went running into falling buildings, the Bushmen were preparing to
relieve some gazillionaires, such as say, the Bush family, of the need
to pay the taxes that the rest of us pay. Work as a teacher, you pay
Social Security and income taxes on every darn penny. Sit on your yacht
and speculate in the stock market casino and you are off the hook on
taxes on the "capital gains."

Bill Clinton proposed putting his big surpluses into a Social Security
"lock-box" for that predictable rainy day. But tonight, Bush instead
proposes to give the stock-options class a boost by lopping off a chunk
of Social Security insurance revenue for gambling in the stock market.
He had this same idea in 2000. If he'd had his way on his inauguration
day, the average "owner" in America, investing in the stock market,
would be 7% poorer, many flat busted. Some "security." Happy elderly
"owners" would be hunting for lunch in the garbage cans under Madison
Square Garden.

Here's the latest report from the front lines of the class war: The
World Bank reports the USA has more millionaires than ever -- we'll see
them at the Garden tonight. Median household income's down -- most of us
are median -- while the bottom has fallen out for those at the bottom.
Our poorest 20% have seen incomes drop by a fifth. America's upper one
percent now own 53% of all the shares in the market.

And now the uppers want to crack open your retirement piggy bank, cut
some of your retirement benefits, then "allow" you to give them the
remainder of your money to fund their latest stock float schemes.

If betting trillions on stock market ponies doesn't produce a big win,
what does Mr. Bush propose to do with all the hungry old folk? I
think I heard George say, "Let them eat Enron certificates."

And the future market fall, Mr. President, is a slam-dunk certainty.
Let's do the math. OK, class, we all buy stock this afternoon to fund
our retirement. In fifteen years, baby-boomers are ready to kick back,
take it easy and retire on the stock they're about to sell. Did I say,
"SELL"? And HOW. Around 2020, tens of millions of "owners" will be
selling their shares
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