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#3741 Bader

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 05:24 AM

That was great. Palast has a way with information and words.

So clever people work systems that the majority cant fathom and in the end the majority agree to give all to a system because they cant trust people. So we see again and again people being sacrificed to support systems, both capitalist and socialist and they cant see there is no difference.

Why do coops work. Because the system serves the whole lot.

There is no room for the rat, or the sleeping cat who doesnt want to know anything. But Dong you will find that people will
subscribe to the 'system over people' belief and you cant shake them while others, usually a few, will know the difference. It seems to be a natural disposition and it seems pointless trying to change them.
Capitalism v communism is phoney but this isnt, this is the real
divide. And its cuts across all the boundaries- religion, atheism,
capitalism, communism, etc so that the normal conception held by people are inconsequental thus making them unable to effect the developments and outcomes.-thus history continues to go in cycles- repeating itself. So the control of information is crucial.
Thus the net is a challenge to the zombies who think they are
the elite.
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 10:41 AM

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I said a while back the Chechen problem would get worse after the US/Zionists had control of Iraq. They will try and destablise both Russia and Iran, just as they did Jogoslavia.



Western subsidizing Chechen war against Russia , is de facto Western war against Chechen and strengthen Russia.
Chechen population is smaller than million, they will just naturally disappear as many nation of eternal wariors. . They can provoke some serious military exercises in Russia, but it is only for Russian benefit.
Russia ordered North Ossetia's borders closed while officials searched for suspects in the hostage-taking).
"One of the goals of the terrorists was to sow ethnic enmity and blow up the North Caucasus,"
10 Arabs were among 27 militants killed.
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Bader
history continues to go in cycles- repeating itself. So the control of information is crucial.
Thus the net is a challenge to the zombies who think they are
the elite.


I will add more relating quotes;

War is just one more big government program.

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Bader
That was great. Palast has a way with information and words.

So clever people work systems that the majority cant fathom and in the end the majority agree to give all to a system because they cant trust people. So we see again and again people being sacrificed to support systems, both capitalist and socialist and they cant see there is no difference.

Why do coops work. Because the system serves the whole lot.

There is no room for the rat, or the sleeping cat who doesnt want to know anything. But Dong you will find that people will
subscribe to the 'system over people' belief and you cant shake them while others, usually a few, will know the difference. It seems to be a natural disposition and it seems pointless trying to change them.
Capitalism v communism is phoney but this isnt, this is the real
divide. And its cuts across all the boundaries- religion, atheism,
capitalism, communism, etc so that the normal conception held by people are inconsequental thus making them unable to effect the developments and outcomes.-thus history continues to go in cycles- repeating itself. So the control of information is crucial.
Thus the net is a challenge to the zombies who think they are
the elite.



Howdy Bader
I'm glad you liked Palast. I think is more real than Moore, though they complement each other. I think Michael doesn't know--or doesn't wanna know--how the jungle works.

Now, for the people trusting the system, I'd say that after thousands upon thousands of leaflets handed out, the proles know what's going on by gut instinct and they absolutely recognize the jungle and the lion as their natural enemies. We just have to provide them with direction and purpose. Where I live there's a mixture of Latin American people who are all for this solution. People is making copies and making chains. Of course, part of it is due to my spycing up of the second sheet they get, which promises the BIG PARTY...:D

The Internet is a powerful voice we got, but we shouldn't forget the good old fashioned pamphlet...;)
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 06:55 PM

Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)
Date: Tuesday, April 08 @ 09:40:24 EDT
Topic: Persecution


Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)

(March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB(the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"?

CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reason they did that was to use the Transportation Departments budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need. The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies, etc. The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed. The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don't tell you what it is.

When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for. No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file. What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov. Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings. Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports." It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable.

When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed. What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports.

The irony is deafening. Old right wing farts -- turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening. Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government.He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'" In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it's the former head of the KGB, who is being for with taxpayers money from all the naive flag wavers out there. If you think about it how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov.Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service. You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps," referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He can't get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps. It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin.The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people. And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home.








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Posted 04 September 2004 - 07:09 PM

<Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)>

Good article. Big Brother all over again...:(

Big Brother takes grip on America

The US's response to 11 September has been an unprecedented clampdown on the rights of its own citizens, reports Paul Harris in New York

Sunday September 7, 2003
The Observer

The message of the posters on the walls of Skokie library is plain: Big Brother is watching you. The signs, put up by librarian Caroline Anthony, warn of the radical new laws that have given the American government power to monitor the reading habits of its citizens without telling them.

Now the FBI can also secretly record what websites people look at. And what books they buy. Or videos they hire. 'Libraries are all about freedom of knowledge and not having Big Brother watching you. We had to warn our users,' said Anthony.

She believed Skokie was particularly at risk. The Chicago suburb has a large population of immigrants, including many from countries such as Iraq and Iran. Two years after the terror attacks of 11 September, 2001, Anthony and many others think America is in the grip of a frightening extension of state power.

At the centre of it is the Patriot Act, rushed through in the wake of the attacks to give authorities the legal weapons they needed to fight the 'war on terror'. Instead, critics say, those weapons have also hit at America's own civil rights and freedoms.

The act allowed the FBI to pull records from libraries and bookstores, defined 'terrorism' to include direct action by protesters, widened the use of wire-tapping on phone calls and emails and paved the way for the mass internment without charge of several thousand foreign nationals. The most vulnerable are Arabs, Asians and Muslims. 'Essentially this is the most massive case of ethnic profiling since the internment of Japanese Americans during the Second World War,' said David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor and author of a forthcoming book on the subject, Enemy Aliens .

The government refuses to number the amount of foreign nationals it holds without charge. But even those released and deported are still victims. The shadow of being detained for suspicion of terrorism is not easily lifted. Certainly Akil Sachveda is suffering. He is now a part-time pump attendant in Toronto. He used to own a petrol station, a bar and a pool hall in New Jersey, until one day the FBI came looking for an ex-employee who was a Muslim. The man had left but they arrested Sachveda instead on suspicion of Islamic terrorism, despite the fact he is a Hindu. He was held for five months and given no access to a lawyer. Prison guards threatened his life. Eventually he was deported to Canada. He was never charged, but he had lost everything. 'It is so painful. It was terrifying, but you can't fight the government,' he said.

Sachveda now can't get a full-time job. His spell in prison puts off employers. 'You either don't get an interview or they let you go as soon as they find out. But I never did anything wrong.'

The extensions of state power go beyond round-ups and the Patriot Act. The FBI has secretly recruited campus police officers to monitor students and academics. The scheme was only uncovered after the interrogation of a Sri Lankan campus union organ iser at the University of Massachusetts. Yaju Dharmarajah had applied to help with a state emergency co-ordination agency as part of plans to become an aid worker. But his Asian name and accent instead brought the local campus FBI officer to his house. 'They thought I wanted to video their work as part of a terrorist plot,' he said.

'I am lucky. I have a white American wife. If she was Sri Lankan like me, I wouldn't have said anything for fear they would deport us,' Dharmarajah said.

Others are also afraid. Last year Sister Virgine Lawinger, a 74-year-old Milwaukee nun, was travelling to an anti-war rally. But she was on a list of people considered too dangerous to fly and was stopped from boarding her plane. She believes her politics were to blame. 'People should not be naive. My experience just raised the stakes for me. It shows we have to be even more alert to protecting our democracy,' she said.

Jan Adams, a journalist on the anti-war San Francisco newspaper War Times , has also been stopped at airports, as has her colleague Rebecca Gordon. New York lawyer Barbara Olshansky, who is involved in several anti-Patriot Act suits, is stopped almost every time she flies. She is frequently subjected to strip and full body searches. She now fears to leave the US, despite being an American citizen, out of concern she will not be allowed back. It has made her angry. 'It is becoming an awful witch-hunt. At first I didn't believe it, but now it is just horrifying to me,' she said.

But there is a growing movement to try to roll back the act. It is gathering support from across the political spectrum, including such notable Republicans as Idaho's Senator 'Butch' Otter, who has led an effort in Congress to curtail some of the act's powers.

Across America more than 150 cities and counties have passed local legislation 'opting out' of the Patriot Act. In Boise, Idaho, a Republican stronghold, a group calling itself the Boise Patriots is hoping to force the city council to add their city to the list. They are a diverse group, including anti-abortionists, women's rights groups, environmentalists and pro-gun lobbyists. 'If enough communities join this effort, we can roll this law right back,' said founder Gwen Sanchirico.

The movement has become so powerful that Attorney General John Ashcroft has embarked on a nationwide tour to promote the Patriot Act. But it is already too late for some. Sachveda is not adjusting well to his newfound poverty and exile from his adopted home. 'I lost everything. It would have been better if I had never come to America,' he said.

http://observer.guar...1037090,00.html
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 09:59 PM

Lessons from the jungle:

1. The lions feed conflict...the little animals put the victims;

2. Terrorism is a desperate weapon of the weak;

3. The hierarchy of the victims matter;

4. JUSTICE CAN BRING A SOLUTION, or at least stability;

5. THE JUNGLE IS THE PROBLEM.;)

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There will be another Beslan

In asymmetrical war, the most vulnerable will always be on the frontline

Isabel Hilton
Saturday September 4, 2004
The Guardian

It descended into blood, panic, violence and tragedy. None of the children, parents and teachers killed and wounded in Beslan deserved this barbarism. The children who set off for the first day of school on Wednesday, wearing their new clothes and holding their balloons, could not have been a more innocent target, the anguish of their teachers and parents more undeserved.
Beslan is an extreme example of what is rightly seen as a depraved military tactic. But the equally unpalatable truth is that hostage taking is also a rational tactic in the desperate context of asymmetrical warfare. Despite the likelihood of a bloody end to most hostage situations, they are likely to grow more, rather than less, frequent.

At first sight the appeal of hostage taking is questionable: the hostage takers rarely achieve their stated objectives and often die in the attempt. There is nothing in Putin's record or in that of his security services to suggest that a peaceful solution in Beslan was likely - or that respect for the lives of the hostages would predominate over the political need to end the crisis quickly. Preserving lives takes time. Putin's interest, as it has been in Chechnya, is to create an impression of overwhelming force to pacify domestic anxiety. The hostage takers knew from the outset that they were likely to die.

Hostage taking has not always been so unrewarding. In November 1986, an American hostage was released by an Iranian group that had held him captive for more than 17 months. His release had been bought by the Reagan administration with the transfer of military spare parts for Iran. Despite official denials, governments from Washington and Bogota to Paris have sometimes found it convenient to negotiate the quiet release of prisoners. In doing so they created a double bind. Negotiating improved both the life chances of the hostages and the leader's image: a return in triumph was better than a tragic outcome. But rewarding hostage-taking also raised the incentives: as long as something could be gained, the practice was risky, but in some sense profitable.

Today's hostage-taking, though, from Iraq to Ossetia, is more savage, born of the spread of asymmetrical warfare that pits small, weak and irregular forces against powerful military machines. No insurgent lives long if he fights such overwhelming force directly. His tactical success has always been in surprise and in picking his target. If insurgent bullets cannot penetrate military armour, it makes little sense to shoot in that direction. Soft targets - the unprotected, the innocent, the uninvolved - become targets because they are available. If the hostage-takers in Beslan knew they were likely to die, they also knew they would die with the world's attention upon them. Had they died in a regular firefight with Russian forces, we would neither have known nor cared.

In asymmetrical warfare everyone is involved and anyone is a potential victim. To promise that security in such conflicts will result from the deployment of large military machines is a sham. To fight asymmetrical war with tanks makes as much sense as trying to shoot mosquitoes with a machine gun. The result is counter-productive.

As the drama of Beslan was entering its final hours, George Bush was bidding for re-election on the promise of security to the American people, a security premised on the willingness to use overwhelming military force. It was the same promise that Putin gave to the Russians and Ariel Sharon to the people of Israel. All three have used violence freely in pursuit of electoral reward: Sharon's provocative visit to the Temple of the Mount that triggered the second intifada, Putin's reckless adventurism in re-launching the Chechen war in 1999, and the Bush invasion of Iraq. None has produced the peace or security that was their justification; all have generated more violence and widened the circle of killing far beyond the formal engagement of armed men on both sides. Now the most likely victims are the poor and the helpless, as collateral damage, bombing casualties or hostages.

In Iraq last week, the resources of the French state were, rightly, mobilised to try to save the lives of two French journalists who are now as familiar to everyone in France as Terry Waite was in Britain during his ordeal in Lebanon. But the names of the 12 Nepalese workers gruesomely murdered last Tuesday have not even been published in most of our newspapers. In hostage-taking, too, there is a hierarchy of importance.

The Nepalis were victims twice over. They came from one of the world's poorest countries, which suffers the legacy of a rapacious aristocracy who built lavish palaces while denying even basic education to the majority. Today a tiny elite still dominates business and commerce while the mass of the people suffer the familiar catalogue of deprivation. To add to the country's misery, Nepal is in the grip of its own "war on terror". An increasingly successful Maoist rebellion now operates in 73 out of 75 districts in Nepal in an insurgency that has cost 10,000 lives in eight years. When the Maoists declared Kathmandu under siege, nothing moved. When they order foreign businesses to leave, they obey in increasing numbers.

The government has responded with force, but there is no military solution in this war on terror, any more than in Iraq, Chechnya or Palestine. An outright victory by either side in Nepal could only come at appalling cost and would presage further suffering. If Nepal is to have a future, it must be a negotiated one - and one which addresses the Nepal's extremes of social injustice.

For now, for Nepal's poor, the best chance of escape from this misery and violence is to find work abroad, legally or illegally. Women are trafficked into the sex trade, men recruited into international labour gangs that service the lifestyles of the well-off. The 12 victims of last week's atrocity were poor: cooks and cleaners, recruited by an agency in Kathmandu that told them they were going to Jordan. Once there, they were ordered to Iraq.

The Nepalese government has no troops in Iraq and has banned its own citizens from going there. But the ban is gesture politics. The realities of Nepal are what counts. According to recent reports up to 15,000 Nepalis have gone to Iraq, some recruited by agencies in Kathmandu, others through Indian operators in Mumbai. In the final video, one of the men, a US flag pinned to his chest, read out a statement that accused the US of using deception to recruit them. "We ask anyone who wants to come to Iraq not to be cheated by these high salary (sic) because they are false and America is lying," he said.

Nepal has no troops in Iraq and the Nepalese government was given no chance to negotiate. The US was at one end of the long chain of lies that brought the men to Iraq, their miserable conditions at home at the other. The men who murdered them picked them not for their connection to the US, but because they were unprotected and their deaths would be a warning to others to stay away. In Nepal, it will probably work. For the hostage-takers, that is enough.

http://www.guardian....1296959,00.html
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)
Date: Tuesday, April 08 @ 09:40:24 EDT

Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)



You are wrong.
Primakov is Giorgian Jew.
Russian spent time and money on French Riviera.
Even Brezniew was not Russian only Ukrainian. :)

Donq.; @There will be another Beslan. @

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:16 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
You are wrong.
Primakov is Giorgian Jew.
Russian spent time and money on French Riviera.
Even Brezniew was not Russian only Ukrainian. :)

Donq.; @There will be another Beslan. @

Don-t count on it too much.
Citizen Police will take under control their security.
Citizenship from ex Russia republic will be shut down.
Driving of diplomats and members of foreign press will be limited. It might help. :)


If not there, some place else. The lion feeds the violent monkey and the violent monkey feeds the lion.;)

And the little animals? They provide the victims...:(
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:53 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
The lion feeds the violent monkey and the violent monkey feeds the lion.;)


Russian nation is not black and white.:)
And what you call monkey and lion are all the same kind. :)A
nd this is success of Russian federation.
Russians are practically one blood country and this creates solution to the problem.
Russia is not melting pot or mosaic,
but true one monolithic Slav country. :)
Slavs unite!:)
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:56 PM

ZOGBY POLL
US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks
Tue Aug 31, 2004 02:35
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Released: August 30, 2004

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 12:55 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Russian nation is not black and white.:)
And what you call monkey and lion are all the same kind. :)A
nd this is success of Russian federation.
Russians are practically one blood country and this creates solution to the problem.
Russia is not melting pot or mosaic,
but true one monolithic Slav country. :)
Slavs unite!:)



Woj, HIERARCHY AND DEMOCRACY are opposite, LION AND LITTLE ANIMALS are opposite, and hierarchy (lion) is the problem. REAL DEMOCRACY by and for the little animals IS THE SOLUTION.

If you don't believe me, stick your head in the mouth of Polish lion...;)

"The reason the world's only superpower is stuck in the mud in Iraq is the same reason Xerox got into trouble with accounting, why Wall Street analysts and investment bankers didn't blow the whistle on WorldCom and Enron, and why much of the magic has gone out of Disney's Magic Kingdom... [They] have many of the same characteristics at the top: an overemphasis on hierarchy and orderliness..."

War Management Follows the Wrong Corporate Model

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, May 12, 2004; Page E01

There are lots of ways to explain why the Bush administration has made a hash of its Iraq policy. To my mind, however, this is fundamentally a story about management failure and a corporate leadership style that the first MBA president and his crew of former CEOs brought to Washington.

Or think of it this way: The reason the world's only superpower is stuck in the mud in Iraq is the same reason Xerox got into trouble with accounting, why Wall Street analysts and investment bankers didn't blow the whistle on WorldCom and Enron, and why much of the magic has gone out of Disney's Magic Kingdom.

Such generalizations are dangerous. But over the years I've noticed that companies that get into trouble, or lose their edge, have many of the same characteristics at the top: an overemphasis on hierarchy and orderliness; a penchant for secrecy and keeping decisions closely held; an instinct to discount information or dismiss views that don't comport with the company line; a habit of pronouncing rather than engaging intellectually with those outside the inner circle; an unhealthy arrogance and sense of entitlement.

When something goes wrong, the all-too-typical corporate response is to downplay its importance or bury it in bureaucratic processes. And if that doesn't work, the next line of defense is to pin it all on a few "bad apples" and move aggressively to "put the issue behind us," without ever really admitting serious error.

That should sound familiar to anyone who has watched Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and John Snow on C-SPAN, or read Paul O'Neill's account of his ill-fated attempts to warn of the budgetary fallout from a second tax cut, or heard what Richard Clarke told the 9/11 commission about warnings of terrorist attacks that fell on deaf ears. It also describes to a T the process by which the administration has dealt with Iraq, from the original decision to go to war to the handling of the prison scandal.

Here's a little test: You are president of the United States and revelations about abuse of Iraqi prisoners has created the biggest crisis since Sept. 11, inflaming the Arab world, undercutting support at home and undermining our moral authority in the world. How do you spend the weekend?

If you answered "spend it at Camp David as planned, then drop in at the Pentagon on Monday to praise the defense secretary for doing a superb job," you just flunked, along with George W. Bush.

Noel Tichy, a management expert at the University of Michigan, notes that when Jack Welch faced a crisis when he was chief executive of General Electric, he would drop everything he was doing, scramble his audit team and descend on the problem unit. Over a weekend, he would conduct his own detailed investigation. And on Monday morning he would show up personally at the Pentagon or the SEC with a report on what went wrong, who would be fired and what he was going to do to make things right.

Something like that would never occur to Bush. His view of the leader's role is to set broad goals and vision, delegate everything else to trusted subordinates and stay the course when things don't go exactly to plan. But as Michael Maccoby, a Washington psychoanalyst and management consultant explains, it is that unwillingness to get into the details and the lack of interest in hearing divergent views that create a kind of ideological rigidity, rendering Bush incapable of admitting mistakes or considering changes in direction.

The Bush team likes to crow that it brought disciplined, private-sector management to government. But as Joshua Marshall wrote last year in the Washington Monthly, theirs turns out to be a largely discredited, old-economy management style -- one better suited for the cartel-like oil, drug and railroad industries they came from than the messy, fast-changing realities facing the government of the United States.

http://www.washingto...-2004May11.html
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 01:03 AM

Howdy Woj:

So Primokov is a Georgian Jew, his rank and profession is what was referred to and why he was contracted.
Bush isnt an American he's Texan.

"Russan nation is not black and white" may mean you think they are other than what they like to appear.
Thats the issue behind the X-factor. Is the tight-rope walk a role or the real thing?

Howdy DonQ:

another Beslan is as likely an another xmas.

"terrorism is a desperate weapon of the weak" (also may be applied as - of the WEEK in todays world)
Is not just a desperate weapon of the weak but also of the Lion to create the demand for a world govt and a global police/anti
opposition force.
The Lions sollution, Lions Justice, which ultimately will become
a demand at the price of freedom, will provide a semblance of security of the pawns. Classic demonstration of the policy is in the US as revealed in the recent posts)
The jungle isnt the problem. its the manifestation of the policy (outcomes) of the Lion.
The Lion feeds the conflict all right. Currently by feeding terrorism
and feeding the war on terrorism- dialectic materialism.
Black is white and left is right, inspite of the masses wh9o line up
behind the puppets as in the US pres. race.

One thing about terrorism that isnt recognised yet is that its tactics are the same as those it fights.- Based on colateral damge.
Notice journalist still talk from the point of view of state forces-
orthodox forces as though only fighting against other orthodox-uniformed forces in which the professionals die in the fighting and
only the odd occasion certain by-standers/isolated civilians caught up are killed. Those days are long gone, terrorising the civilians
and collateral damage are part and parcel of war by states. They merely try to hide this by the hear-no-evil-see-no-evil type journalists who only recognise this as used by terrorists, with the implication of who and what is evil and who and what are good.
Black is white.
Terrorists, whether of the Lion or authentic are at war. It is good military tactics to fight by what methods will win against the forces opposed/occupying. And War has been analysed as-
Policy by other means.
Not many nations would volunteer for anti-national world govt,
so it cant happen by sales talk and bribing as few at the top.
It requires the policy to achieve such to be achieved by "other means".
Beslan will give votes to Bush. It will give support to the Patriot Act.
Already US civilians are being refuse airline fight boarding due to
their private sentiments on polical issues, such as attending an
anti-war rally or the like. State terrorism of civilians.
This is new territory for US state dept, so you contract the experts from abroad. They could have contracted Israelis of course but think of the obvious fall-out from that. However if
a private firm was the medium of the contract one could met several possibilities.
See what observing preditors does to ones mind?
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#3754 donquijote

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 02:50 AM

<Is not just a desperate weapon of the weak but also of the Lion to create the demand for a world govt and a global police/anti
opposition force.>

OK, like with the aggressor, we must make a distinction b/ the little animal--the weak--and the lion--the powerful. They may have different motivations...

<The Lions sollution, Lions Justice, which ultimately will become
a demand at the price of freedom, will provide a semblance of security of the pawns. Classic demonstration of the policy is in the US as revealed in the recent posts)
The jungle isnt the problem. its the manifestation of the policy (outcomes) of the Lion.>

The lion is both the predator and the victim of the jungle. Suppose you weren't "tough" enough, how long will you last?:confused:

<The Lion feeds the conflict all right. Currently by feeding terrorism
and feeding the war on terrorism- dialectic materialism.
Black is white and left is right, inspite of the masses wh9o line up
behind the puppets as in the US pres. race. >

Exactly, the puppet show and all the spectators who do the "bravo!" encore. Then the puppeteer goes on with his show behind curtains for four more years...

<One thing about terrorism that isnt recognised yet is that its tactics are the same as those it fights.- Based on colateral damge.>

Exactly, somehow the big ones spare each other. Only occasionally one little lion or another pays the price of competition, which is not allowed under the rules of the law of the jungle.

<Notice journalist still talk from the point of view of state forces-
orthodox forces as though only fighting against other orthodox-uniformed forces in which the professionals die in the fighting and
only the odd occasion certain by-standers/isolated civilians caught up are killed. Those days are long gone, terrorising the civilians
and collateral damage are part and parcel of war by states. They merely try to hide this by the hear-no-evil-see-no-evil type journalists who only recognise this as used by terrorists, with the implication of who and what is evil and who and what are good.
Black is white.>

Of course, who pays them?;)

<This is new territory for US state dept, so you contract the experts from abroad. They could have contracted Israelis of course but think of the obvious fall-out from that. However if
a private firm was the medium of the contract one could met several possibilities.
See what observing preditors does to ones mind? >

The governor who came out of the closet in NJ had hired Israeli lover as "homeland security expert," even though the guy--or gay--didn't know a thing about it. We are in good hands...:confused:
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 04:52 AM

This interesting article (of which I only reproduce the conclusion) argues the "big difference" b/ anarchism and libertarianism, which it aptly explained. I'd argue though that they both compatible so long as they respect each other--basically both recognizing the value of cooperation and competition--and accept competition. Their rejection of the authoritarian lion can make the "miracle" happen...;)

Conclusion

There has, of late, been a profound confusion in the minds of many, who have mistakenly described the Libertarian Party as being "anarchist." It has been the aim of this essay to clarify the specific nature of this erroneous comparison.

This confusion, however, is interesting, in and of itself. It is rooted in this society's general acceptance, as an objective reality, the presence of a fairly powerful state. We, the American public, have been lulled into accepting an image of politics wherein we see our options only as "moderate democracy," "extremist dictatorship," or "chaotic anarchy." Government, to the average American, is a bit like the porridge that Goldilocks sampled in the house of the three bears: "too much government," "not enough government," or "just the right amount of government." "We're losing the ability to differentiate between politics and economics, and what different governments really stand for. This is not simply sad, it's dangerous.

The Libertarian Party is seen as anarchistic only because, today any group which advocates a drastic reduction in State power of any kind, regardless of economic policy, is interpreted as "anarchist." This would not have happened a century ago, in Europe or America. These subtleties were much more clearly understood and delineated. They knew the difference between anarchism, (State) communism, and Libertarian (laissez-faire) capitalism. The differences were important back then. Now we are out of practice, and it is difficult to distinguish them. It is the sincere wish of the author that the "landscape" graph will help facilitate the reattunement necessary to recognize the genuine positions of present and future political/economic groups. The author has personally found this graph invaluable in that regard.

Bakunin once wrote that, "[L]iberty without socialism is privilege and injustice, and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality."43 It has been the goal of the author to illustrate that, in Bakunin's words, the Libertarian Party represents "liberty without socialism," and therefore, "privilege and injustice." The final assessment is ultimately yours.

http://www.geocities...65/between.html
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:30 AM

Sort of targeting below the belt isnt it.
Who recommended him?

Came across an interesting quote, although I think I have seen it before.
By David Ben Gurion, first Israeli Prime Minister, taken from Look
magazine 16 Jan 1962.
"With the exception of the USSR as a Federal Eurasian State, all other continents will become united in a world alliance at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be
abolished and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem the United Nations ( a truely United Nations) will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents, as
prophesied by Isaiah."

Notice the exceptional position of Russia, which it holds today.
Also the world is already divided into trade/financial blocks under the banking system, NAFTA etc. The non-conforming nations who breach the
global union are currently getting belted and more on the way so by the time Uncle Sam has finished abusing its village bully role
the world will be ready to see all nations disarmed and the UN
put in the village bully role instead.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:50 AM

Howdy DonQ:
I rate Steven Pearlsteins account as on a par with the naive.
It amounts the same as Kerry's fained opposition. Like maginfying the daisy the Lion crouchs behind.

I agree with the argument that anachism and libertarianism are not the same.
Libertarianism is privilage and injustice, which represents the US
in relation to the rest of the world, thanks to the International Bankers not the Americans people.
The Libertarians accept a miniscule govt, so others son, eg the sons of the families who are subject to the injustice to go to war in govt uniforms to defend the privileges of the Libertarians. No more and no less. Thats a far cry from anachists.
The difference is in the fact that one will accept a form of govt, not
the characteristic regarding privilege and injustice. With even less or no govt (anachism) these factors would increase to the point of the law of the jungle which would then cause most anachists to suddenly see the need for govt to save them form extreme injustice. The alternative is to form gangs and "territories"- tribalism.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy Woj:

So Primokov is a Georgian Jew, his rank and profession is what was referred to and why he was contracted.
Bush isnt an American he's Texan.

Beslan will give votes to Bush. It will give support to the Patriot Act.
See what observing preditors does to ones mind?



The clock is running out on a highly publicized prediction that a major earthquake will rip through Southern California by Sunday.
The public forecast of a quake in southern California shook up the world of seismology where reliable earthquake prediction was largely discredited after the 1980s when another big prediction embarrassingly fell flat.
, seismologists agreed there was only a 2 percent chance of the quake now striking in the predicted time in an area comprising the Mojave desert, Palm Springs and San Bernardino.
"I'm sure he (Keilis-Borok) is not happy if his prediction is not fulfilled because he sees this as crusade against the skeptics who have been digging in their heels for decades."
Seismologists noted however that one of their biggest challenges was predicting which of the 35,000 earthquakes that occur every year in California would cause vast damage.
"We don't know how they start, or how they stop, and how they stop determines how big they are.
"Even if Keilis-Borok was perfectly correct, there is not much you can do with this information," Vidale said that even if there were a quake on Sept. 10 in the predicted area, or a big quake in Los Angeles tomorrow "technically that would be a miss."
http://www.reuters.c...77&pageNumber=1


Would be California earthquakes vast damage give votes to Bush or Kerry?

Jew would be never president of Russia, thought Primakov might be better president than Jeltsin
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by InsideInte
It did not take but one man of peace named Daniel, to stand with a lion. It did not take but Christ to win the love of God for all who come unto him.
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Sure enough, but we need to tell the sheep of their power, and shake off all the indifference, the lie-on that have made the Law of the Jungle possible...:(


The tragedy leaves more questions. There will hardly be one right answer. But I think one answer I have - we all, every one of us is a contributor to what is happening in the world. Do we know the world we live in? Do we care about the Kurds fleeing their homes, the Sudanese escaping genocide, the Ethiopians dying from hunger, the Iraqi and Afghans running away from air raids, the Palestinian children fighting tanks? Have we ever thought of all the victims of the terrorist acts in Moscow, New York, Jerusalem, Bali, Madrid or Belfast? Did we all care about the Chechen war before this tragedy?

It is the 10th year of the war! We all use lie, we all feel envy, hatred and anger, we all live with prejudice and stereotypes, we all are ignorant of our environment, we all want more and we'd never stop to achieve our goals. I cannot see when we all are going to change ourselves. Do we need more lives to change the world for the better?
Petr Vinokurov, Yakutsk, Sakha, Russia

http://news.bbc.co.u...int/3624494.stm
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by USAPatriot
Both left and right in the Western World are controlled by the same people. Elections are a farce pulled on voters to make them believe they actually have a say in how their country is run.
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Good point. The hungry lion eats them both at tax time. What they say is irrelevant; they both feed the lion.
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