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#4201 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 02:20 PM

Ukraine presidential election on October 31.
Ukraine is cradle of Russia .
Ukraine capitol Kiev is known as the Mother of Russia .
The founder of the Rurik
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Posted 21 October 2004 - 06:04 PM

Howdy Woj:

The sacking of Constantinople looks like the same as today,
the banks, commerce and war are the most profitable mix.
And religion provides a convenient disquise, just like the Middle East since 1948.
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 02:46 AM

Howdy Woj:

I agree a country cant be jusdged by one or minority, but there
is a time limit, after which time the country is judged by whether it owns or rejects the offending individual/minority.
However I dont hold anyone like the Iraqis to wait and see if the British public deal to Blair before they start defending themselves against the invasion.

Why should anyone claim the Ukraine is western?
The UE will claim it because it's there and secondly that would mean it would have its own breadbasket and not depend on Nth America.
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Bader

However I dont hold anyone like the Iraqis to wait and see if the British public deal to Blair before they start defending themselves against the invasion.



Purpose of US/UK war on Iraq was Iraqi oil for Israel. When Iraq has about 10mln citizens, US 280 , UK circle 100 mln Israel infinitive number in their country and around world, she has no chance for defense.
Iraq looked very easy piece to consummate.
So far US/UK victory is every day further .
Hungry might move out of Iraq.
Oil is expensive, so might be beneficial for oil companies but citizens might not like it this situation at all.
Now Democratic Party try put poorest on middle class bill, but I don
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Bader
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The sacking of Constantinople looks like the same as today,
the banks, commerce and war are the most profitable mix.
And religion provides a convenient disquise, just like the Middle East since 1948.



Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra ordered the finance ministry to study ``reform'' of the Bank of Thailand's supervisory role, . The idea is to reduce the central bank governor's authority, splitting his role as regulator from that of deciding monetary policy.
Thaksin wrestling some control over monetary policy away from independent central bankers.
http://quote.bloombe...id=aDBGYgCaWjlk

The same situation is in Poland ; It is there an absolute dictatorship of minority representative , the Mr. Balcerowicz which allows to grab Poland by setting unreasonable high rate.
But that Bonanza will end in May 2005 on election day.
May might be very hot next year.
Time for change- this spirit is coming from every side of the world. :)
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Bader
However I dont hold anyone like the Iraqis to wait and see if the British public deal to Blair before they start defending themselves against the invasion.



Attack on Iraq is the good motivation for international nuclear general development .

....US frowns on reported European nuclear offer to Iran

The U said it would be "concerned" by Iran's acquisition of any new nuclear technology, signalling opposition to a reported European offer to give Tehran a light-water reactor it proves it is not secretly developing atomic weapons. "We fundamentally have concerns about Iran acquiring more nuclear technology and capability." "We don't see the economic or any other rationale for a country like Iran to try to generate power with nuclear energy
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 06:19 PM

The desire for more nuclear energy plants in Asia is prebably because it means they will be independant of the DOllar empire
and its pursuit of the control of oil. It may also be because the need for defence against WMD which the US has been using
along with its Israeli policy of pre-emptive strike which will probably secure world war three.
The zionist have pushed to tworld into an enpass, which they want.
It may look like Iran is going to get its green light for nuclear energy but every time one sign shows a break through it is followed by a reversal. They are all playing games and playing for time.
The US has invaded two neighbouring countries and pointed the bone directly at Iran. Israel wants them to invade it as the
zionist pressure groups in the US for sometime. She is entitled to want to have the means of deterring that and that may take nuclear weapons.
She would be wanting to use oil for export- foreign currency, for some time yet. In another ten years it will be a industrial giant
following India. Israel will want to destroy this.
In the meantime the anglo-saxons will remain the servants of the jews because of their debt.
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Bader
The desire for more nuclear energy plants in Asia is prebably because it means they will be independant of the DOllar empire
and its pursuit of the control of oil.



Either nuclear plants or ride a bicycle. The choice is yours...
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Here's a couple of sites that will explain the greatest game of all
of the jungle. Its the money game. A lot of what is said here I have already touched one more than once, but if you guys make a copy and spend time going over it until you grasp the enormity
of what ist all about, you will never look at the world the same way again:

www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/Kidd66.htm

www.devvy.com/notax.html


The second one is one of many of the click-ons in the body of the
forst one which consists of two pages.



'So what we have is a central bank issuing worthless paper "money" that controls our economy, our lives and our future. This private banking cartel was unconstitutionally granted this power by a devious, scheming group of senators back in 1913. In essence what they did was place the American people into indentured servitude by forcing The People to pay usury on worthless fiat currency (paper money created out of nothing), not to fund the government, but to enrich the bankers and fund wars in which America should never be involved. This system exists not to fund the government, but to allow the U.S. Congress carte blanche power to continue funding unconstitutional agencies and programs by providing them with a bottomless source of worthless ink.'

Howdy Bader
Very enlightening. So it's perhaps like I said the other day: Currency could be ANYTHING (salt, banano dollars, say) so long as they are in short supply--enough to make the little animals CONTROLLABLE BY SCARCITY.

Then what we need is either a NON MONEY BASED SYSTEM (say kibbutz style coops) or a MONEY BASED SYSTEM in wich there's no scarcity, say having control of the mint BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE. Or perhaps, even better, we need a combination of the two. Makes sense?;)
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 04:36 AM

The choice between nuclear energy for electricity for example and riding a bike to keep warm in winter is an easy one.
Same with running a tv, a peddle powered tv would never sell.

The international banks want nuclear plants because they cost so much to build and to get rid of waste. Big business. Its not whats good for man its whats good for profits, just like war.
We dont need nuclear plants we just need Tesla's discovery to get power straight out of the earth. No big loans needed.

Regarding the quote you posted on the Fed banking system:

It writes it up so Congress are the villains. Congressman are the puppets, the bankers were the puppeteers who got the bank
that the US is servant to. The US public arent slaves to Congress. Neverthe less you can see govt isnt the lion.
Personal tax is to pay the interest and nothing else.
There should very little or no interest or taxes instead of the
rackets that rules at present.

We have already opted for economic democracy so it should be by the people and for the people. Not by private monopoly or state monopoly, but through an independant, transparent
system which can be watched by the public watch-dog groups, political parties, the media etc.

The other issue that I didnt like was that it said it was worthless money which isnt true. This is included as a ploy to try to justify gold, which is a commodity which can be subject to monopoly.
This is a difficult issue on its own and one me and Pliny couldnt
agree on. Even if all money was backed by gold the present problems would still be the same. The thing is not to try an get around all of it at once. Its quite a big and subtle subject. Hence their success at bewitching the public world wide.
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 10:37 AM

When one nothing offers, nil, zilch, zero can take back.
US is very upset that Byelorussia doesn
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 11:12 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it.
~Noam Chomsky :)



Really smart quote. Perhaps we are all part of it by vote or by indifference.
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 02:40 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
Really smart quote. Perhaps we are all part of it by vote or by indifference.


Statistically China with population of 1,298,847,624 people and India with 1,065,070,607, have the smallest worry about nuclear war. They can lost about 60- 75 % population to drop to level of US Population of 293,027,571 citizens. Perspective the nuclear war is not so very impressing for anybody any more.

In moment of death for people is absolute unimportant if they die from depleted uranium bomb or nuclear bomb.
I believe that French Queen Mara Antoine would prefer to die in nuclear war instead of guillotine when she lost in moment of death her wig.

Voting is not very reasonable when created only to destroy the country.
Voting to separate Kosovo from Serbian Federation might open way for election vote to Montana, Utah or Arizona to separate from Washington DC, US.
In this case should be taken only under consideration voices of Indians in reservation.
I think that it is the great idea, and should be wide promoted by all Slavs around the world.
Freedom for American Indians!. :)
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Bader
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Why should anyone claim the Ukraine is western?
The UE will claim it because it's there and secondly that would mean it would have its own breadbasket and not depend on Nth America.



Accepting the West government on Ukraine would mean open way for the West to pilfer from Ukraine big bucks.
So far Us paid big money for Ukraine mercenaries in Iraq.

In case when the Ukraine government would be subjected as Polish to the West , US would get soldiers free from charge, all on cost Ukraine together with medical treatment for depleted uranium treatment, medical attention until death, etc.

Next; Ukraine is not only bread basket, Ukraine has oil for its all in Drohobych area and has open way to the big oil coming to the ports of Caspian Sea.
I already can hear the Western voices claiming how undemocratic was election on Ukraine.
Return to the future by the West with Ukraine style. :) :) :)
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 03:45 PM

http://engforum.prav...657#post1101657
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 04:43 PM

Bader, I think we agreed on this before, didn't we?;)

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I purposefully say "No Lion No Problem!" in my webpage, but, of course, that's an oversimplification for slogan purposes. The real problem is...THE JUNGLE!

You get rid of the lion, and there comes another. It happened in every single revolution in the 20th century and before. For in the jungle you must either "kill or be killed." And cornering the lion is not a good idea either...;)

So we must GET RID OF THE JUNGLE and TAME THE LION.

And taming the lion need not be confrontational or even depend on his good will: The little animals can unite--for STRENGTH IS IN NUMBERS--and build their own WATER WELL, in which case the lion will have no choice but to get TAMED BY COMPETITION.;)

And the beauty of it is that the solution would be very "Darwinian"...:cool:
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 06:26 PM

"To attract companies like yours- we have felled mountains, razed jungles, filled swamps, moved rivers, relocated towns- all to make it easier for you and your business to do business here."
-Philippines government advert in Fortune, placed in 1975

Well, most don't say it, but that's what they do to please Big Business. Corporations are pitted against corporations, and not all stay on top. What's wrong with some predatory practices on the weakest links of the food chain? Only SOCIETY loses, but, hey, life is harsh in the jungle, right?;)

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Rule of the Market, by the Market

Neoliberalism, an economic theory which is the latest incarnation of capitalism, means rule by the market. In other words, the market should be the predominant arbiter of all the decisions in a society.

The central fact of our time is the upwards transfer of power and wealth v never have so many been governed by so few. The economy has globalized but in this new world order there is no room for people. We are ruled over by transnational corporations and the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund; our lives can be ruined at the whim of the financial markets. In their view, a deregulated, privatized, corporate-led global "free" trade regime is the answer to humanity's problems.

But "free" trade is on an inevitable collision-course with democracy. For history shows that the exercise of genuine democracy will always act as a brake on the free market. The dawning of the twentieth century saw --along with deepening democracy and universal suffrage-- an increase in social safety nets for the working poor. All this has been rolled back since the 1980s by the advent of neoliberalism. As economies are liberalized and public assets sold off, political freedoms are increasingly curtailed and the state is employed in keeping down the objections of its own protesting populations. The key decisions of our lives do not belong to us. We are the uninvited, standing on the peripheries as others shape the world in their own image. We are disconnected from what we produce and what we consume, from the earth and from one another. We live in an arid, homogenized culture.

Neoliberalism achieves this by use of its two most potent weapons. Firstly, messages of prosperity --we can all have what the rich have, as long as we keep our heads down and keep working. Secondly, when this doesn't work, economic muscle. Between 1990 and 1997, "developing" countries paid out more in servicing their debt than they received in loans --a transfer of $77 billion from South to North, through the machinery of the IMF and the World Bank-- organizations which ensure the continued dominance of the rich nations. Meanwhile, ironically, those rich nations are being "structurally adjusted" too, as the World Trade Organization rolls back democracy in the name of trade, unraveling decades of social progress.
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Posted 23 October 2004 - 10:28 PM

Originally posted by donquijote

So we must GET RID OF THE JUNGLE and TAME THE LION.

And taming the lion need not be confrontational or even depend on his good will: ..:cool:




French set an official case against Pinochet for disappearing and killing the two French citizens.( Kissinger finally might find himself in hot water bath.)
Killed was French doctor Georges Klein Pipper, who was the doctor of Chile president Salvador Allende . They both died in military assignation under order of Pinochet on September 11 in 1973 http://info.onet.pl/:)
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 04:23 AM

Bader, this is confirmation of your worst fears...

Thursday 21st October 2004 :
109 Italian Soldiers Dead So Far From DU In Iraq

According to the Italian Military Health Observatory a total of 109 Italian soldiers have died thus far due to exposure to depleted uranium.

The observatory stressed the fact that 41 pct of active personnel casualties relate to disease. According to Domenico Leggiero at the Military Health Observatory, "The total of 109 casualties exceeds the total number of persons dying as a consequence of road accidents.

Anyone denying the significance of such data is purely acting out of ill faith, and the truth is that our soldiers are dying out there due to a lack of adequate protection against depleted uranium".

Leggiero pointed out the fact that the Senate has to date failed to establish a probe committee on this matter: "it is proof of a worrying lack of oversight on matters which are frankly dramatic".

Members of the Observatory have petitioned a urgent hearing "in order to study effective prevention and safeguard measures aimed at reducing the death-toll amongst our serving soldiers". (AGI)

http://www.rense.com...eral58/frff.htm

http://bellaciao.org...id_article=3873
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Posted 24 October 2004 - 11:20 AM

Originally posted by donquijote

Anyone denying the significance of such data is purely acting out of ill faith, .....



A Russian-made Soyuz space capsule landed safely in Kazakhstan early Sunday, carrying a three-member Russian-US crew back to earth from the International Space Station(ISS).

The Soyuz TMA-4, with American astronaut Michael Fincke and hisRussian colleagues Gennady Padalka and Yuri Shargin aboard, touched down at 4:35 a.m. Moscow time (0035 GMT) near the city of Arkalyk..Since NASA's Columbia disintegrated in February 2003, killing all seven crew on board, the Russian Soyuz crew capsules and Progress cargo ships remain the sole means of transporting to the space station
http://news.xinhuane...ent_2131831.htm

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