<Paradize betrayed, the Wall has gone and now the future. Nostalgia in East Germany probably comes from not having any idea about what could be done, so they look backwards to what the thought they knew, which is the rosy part as Woj has pointed out but back then they knew that life could be much better
because their relatives had it on the other side of the Wall.>
<"elites and neoliberal globalisation"
as DonQ posted covers it- the Corps have to grove profit or be eatten, one can only grow fat if another dies because the
environment is finite. At the lower level one gets a big salary and another gets unemployment so the one in management can be paid more. The other workers work harder to keep their jobs and carry the short staffing.
Inflation helps to grow figure as well so they monitor it and control it.>
So THE JUNGLE IS THE PROBLEM. If forces the lions to be predators. Even them suffer the jungle. Hey, I hope we don't find any resistance from them in coming out of the jungle...
<Using the words 'anarchism' and 'humanism' may be a similar case
of going back to past thinking if we cant see clearly the way forward.>
You got a point here. Anarchism can scare off people but Humanism is hardly heard of, unless you are into religion and are told that God is more important than man, and that Humanism is paganism or something. But there's even a Christian Humanism...
The Roman Catholic Jacques Maritain tried to formulate a new Christian humanism based on the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas. The American Humanist Association, which grew out of the Unitarian movement, holds that human beings can satisfy religious needs from within, discarding the concept of God as inconsistent with advanced thought and human freedom. In recent years, fundamentalist Christian groups in the United States have declared their opposition to "secular humanism," an antireligious ideology that they believe pervades American society, including the major churches, and that they blame for its moral failings.http://mb-soft.com/b...xn/chrishum.htm
<I prefer 'economic democracy', not new but I dont see it being used mainstream and it says something important and doesnt sound aged or leftist or Right etc. We donrt want people to presume any negative and vote with their feet needlessly.
Anarchism is anti-lion but what hapens after the lion is gone like the Wall. What next?>
True, what next, and I do like "economic democracy" (that's what it is), but it only talks about one dimension: the economic. I like the original Humanism...
Humanism, an educational and philosophical outlook that emphasizes the personal worth of the individual and the central importance of human values as opposed to religious belief, developed in Europe during the Renaissance, influenced by the study of ancient Greek and Latin literature and philosophy. Humanism thus began as an educational program called the humanities, which inculcated those ancient secular values which were consistent with Christian teachings. The Renaissance humanists were often devout Christians, but they promoted secular values and a love of pagan antiquity.
< I cant see how one can promote coops and use the word anarchism along with it as it looks like a
Coops and anarchism are NOT in contradiction, as anarchism rejects hierarchy, which is very much in line with the principle of "one man one vote" of the coop and above all because it makes the state largely unnecessary. Of course, you can live in a coop without ever knowing of anarchism, but we should not deny its roots...
"Anarchism has been written off time and again by politically-minded people as a quaint historical anachronism, irrelevant as the century turns. But the politicians themselves are living out the final sentence of George Orwell's Animal Farm, where the poor creatures out in the yard peered through the windows of the farmhouse, looking from pig to man and from man to pig, but found it impossible to say which was which.
In real life this leads to apathy and resignation as well as to the rise of demagogues and dictators. But if people had faith in their capacity to make decisions, it could be changed by an upsurge of popular self-organisation and inventiveness. Probably every generation has to learn this." http://www.circlealp...ism_future.html
<There is much we have discussed, some important stuff when Pliny was with us, which Alberto hasnt seen, so we have made more contribution to a solution than he is aware.
I am not saying we got division, I am saying that until members in the pool agree on language and the nature of the problem it become hard to unite (division being the lack of unitedness) or clarify a solution.
I dont agree with simplistics like 'cooperation' and 'competition'
as being the solution even though they are important. Like I agree good health is important for quality of life but a solution to modern society isnt 'good health' anymore than 'cooperation'.
We are not going to get into constitutions but that really is the basis upon what people should build a society but the philosophical issues upon which a constitution is built is a matter that one would start with. We have done so to a certain extent indirectly when we talk of a public-user-friendly-non monopolistic water well, havent we. This is more specific than a single word like anarchism which can frighten anyone away.
Philosophically I cant accept the tropical jungle jungle anymore than a savanah one. A jungle is a jungle.>
I know, and don't like them. But we must make room for those who preach the law of the jungle on equal terms. Pliny was one of them.
But since we propose ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY there's room for both, right? I favor that both COOPERATION and COMPETITION are available to all. And I see the distinction as important. WE NEED BOTH.
<What Canak describes happend to Cuba is much the same as the Soviet Union, is it not. The principles/philosophy etc it is all based on is wrong so it couldnt escape its 'genes'. This relates to the point I been saying above. Because it doesnt meet the test of time they 'go back' to aspects of capitalism to improve things, just like the nostalia thing. Unless one appreciates the genetic composition of the social 'organism' it will die and become an 'organisation' that will revert to self preservation by tyrany.
Thus Fidel is still alive but Cuba dead.
The US started out a free society-organism. Its now an
organisation going into tyrany to preserve/increase the power of the organisers.
The UN is working night and day to turn the world into an organisation.>
The lion always rises from among the little animals. That's why cooperation is the natural choice of the little animals. It's the only defense they got.
Canek wasn't born to be a lion, and he was a rebel in Cuba as much as he's in the capitalist jungle of Mexico. We need people like him.
<I think it would be stretching it to think Kibbutz people are anarchists and I wouldnt expect that anti-state feelings would rate in the main motives people choise to live by Kibbutz.
I expect they are all sanctioned by the State. It may have served
a purpose in easier and quicker settlement of new lands and
also forms a basis for defence in the circumstances in the Middle East but putting that aside, it provides a degree of independance with dependance you can help control plus if they can provide
life supports it saves the State providing them and thus the lesser need for taxes.>
I'm pretty sure they reject the State whether consciously or not. They are free among equals, and they do cite they join because they don't have a lion boss in there. They must serve the army for probably they feel that only the State can guarantee them that lifestyle. If the Arabs also lived in kibbutz, I doubt they would be willing to fight them.
<AFter the Wall is finished Israelis will start to argue amongst themselves because they live in peace. They will get sick of disagreeing and develop nostagia for the good old days before the Wall when they were united because of the Palestinians!!!!>
That's true. The outside lion is always handy to the inside lion...