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Posted 16 November 2004 - 02:33 PM

"It is my big mistake that I have cooperated with FBI,"
"The FBI have already destroyed my life and my family's life and made us in a very danger position . .
Man Who Ignited Self at White House an Informant; Alanssi said he became a major informant for the FBI after the 2001 al Qaeda attacks on the United States.
He said he was paid $100,000 in 2003 but had expected much more and had not received the permanent residency status he was promised. ,
http://www.reuters.c...storyID=6822436

Educated experience. Individual who pointed Saddam sons to death also didn
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Posted 16 November 2004 - 03:25 PM

I like this assessment. The problem is the lion...;)

(BBC News)

The following comments reflect the balance of opinion we have received so far:

"There is not a finite list of terrorists with which you check off names as they are captured or killed. Every aggressive action by the US will have its corresponding reaction, which will be to create more people with ability to act in a terrorist manner. The leaders on both sides of this conflict have proven to be ineffectual in finding a solution. The insurgents with their barbaric beheadings of innocent people and the US lead force with its reckless bombings are examples of the negligence of both sides. We all need better leaders right now."
Dennis Dalesandro, Philadelphia, USA
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Posted 16 November 2004 - 06:09 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
Bader, don't get me wrong: Scandinavia is very good, so good that they #1 in the world, and just by being like some of them we would secure a much safer world.


Nobel for Kissinger and few more to like him, proposition for Palestinian statehood delayed to 2008. Now they can live in luxury not doing anything else.
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 01:21 PM

"The powerful are immune by definition," said Chomsky. "It
doesn't matter what the facts are."

It sounds to me like the lion has the laws made to his taste. But hey, EVERYTHING is made to his taste...;)

And the elections is sure one of them...

"The elections are run by the same guys who sell you
toothpaste and cars -- the whole system is based on deceit,"
he said. "It amounts to flipping a coin for king."


Chomsky Speaks Out Against Iraq War
Famed MIT Linguist Challenges America's Right to Preemptive
Strikes in Earth Institute Event
By Nick Klagge
[Columbia] Spectator Staff Writer
November 17, 2004

Seldom does a talk by a visiting linguistics professor draw
a standing-room-only crowd, including many who RSVPed weeks
in advance. But then again, it's not every day that Noam
Chomsky speaks at Columbia.

Chomsky, who first became known for reinventing the field of
linguistics in the 1950s with his theory of syntactic
structures, has since jumped quite publicly into the
political fray. Now at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, he is well-known as one of the world's most
prolific and outspoken leftist intellectuals. He spoke at
Columbia's Faculty House yesterday as part of the Earth
Institute's series of "Critical Lectures in American Foreign
Policy."

The 75-year-old Chomsky cut an unassuming figure, clad in a
grey sweater and holding onto the podium as though for
support. But his modest presentation belied a speech that
was an unabashed critique of American foreign policy from
the end of World War II to the present.

"No one would argue that Japan exercised the right of
anticipatory self-defense when it bombed Pearl Harbor," he
said. "But Japan had far better arguments . . . than Bush or
Blair ever concocted for Iraq."

Ever ready to challenge the status quo, Chomsky's speech
excoriated the notions that America has the right to launch
preventive wars and that Americans should be exempted from
prosecution for war crimes. While his speech was critical of
the current administration, Chomsky held true to form as an
equal-opportunity critic, lashing into Presidents Bill
Clinton and John F. Kennedy with the same unalloyed vigor.

Earth Institute Director Jeffrey Sachs, one of the
architects of the lecture series, introduced Chomsky to what
he called "a very hungry audience."

"We have to hear the critical voices, because the critical
voices have been right -- and uncannily so," said Sachs.

Chomsky traced the issue of American exceptionalism to the
post-WWII Nuremberg trials, where the definitions of war
crimes were, he said, "crafted explicitly in such a way as
to exclude the victors." He followed the issue through the
present day, saying that "every subsequent tribunal is
discredited by the same moral flaw" and pointing to the
current trial of Slobodan Milosevic, which excludes any
examination of NATO actions in Serbia.

"The powerful are immune by definition," said Chomsky. "It
doesn't matter what the facts are."

In keeping with his reputation for having diverse
intellectual interests, Chomsky brought his analysis to bear
on everything from the 1817 Seminole War to modern Haiti and
East Timor.

In a short question-and-answer session, Chomsky argued that
terrorism should be dealt with as a criminal act, citing
Northern Ireland as an example of the success of such a
policy. And despite his avuncular appearance, Chomsky
performed a deft bit of verbal jujitsu on a somewhat
belligerent Marxist questioner, offering to pay her cab fare
to the nearest union hall, where he said her concerns would
be better expressed.

The final questioner brought up the issue of the
presidential election and what might be drawn from it.
Chomsky pounced on the question. "There are problems with
the election," he said, "but they have nothing to do with
counting the votes in Ohio." Instead of attacking Bush,
Chomsky took on the entire campaign system.

"The elections are run by the same guys who sell you
toothpaste and cars -- the whole system is based on deceit,"
he said. "It amounts to flipping a coin for king."
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 01:26 PM

Sunday is very important day for Ukraine.
YANUKOVYCH or YUSHCHENKO FOR UKRAINE'S is very important choice.
Yushchenko is favorite of the West.
He as a as a "bankrupt politician" , head of the National Bank and he would sell Ukrainian banks to the West.
It is happened in Poland during milk bond Kwasniewski and Balcerowicz.
. West spent a lot of many to push Yushchenko up front together with insinuation that he was poisoned.
It reminds only Putin election when West claimed that his political opponent was kidnapped when he was only more than legally drank and in hide from view.
Ukraine election is very important for independency of the Slavs. Slavs unite.
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 01:40 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
[B]"The powerful are immune by definition," said Chomsky. "It
doesn't matter what the facts are."[B]"

"The elections are run by the same guys who sell you
toothpaste and cars -- the whole system is based on deceit,"
he said. "It amounts to flipping a coin for king."



Not only Chomsky but Belarus also shares that opinion and
WITHDRAWS UN DRAFT RESOLUTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN U.S.

Belarus has withdrawn a draft resolution called "Situation of Democracy and Human Rights in the United States of America" from the 59th Session of the UN General Assembly.
The resolution urges the United States to improve its human rights situation.
"Everybody understands that the U.S.A.'s influence and pressure on all in the world has reached such levels that few countries would dare to vote openly for the resolution,. "
A global superpower, has a monopoly on criticism or should be excluded from the international monitoring of human rights.

Question is how to change this situation?
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 02:11 PM

Does Pope's mother Elsa Katz spirit decide the Pope behavior?

After about year long investigation based on secret accusation for pedophilic act of priest Jankwski brings to nothing.
But this patriotic priest Jankowski who in my opinion rightly criticizes Kwasniewski-Balcerowicz Polish government received church order to leave his church.

Pope blessed Bush, Kwasniewski, Alavi who have blood on their hands but refused to see Polish Patriot Priest .
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 05:28 PM

The US, Pope and the UN is immune by the definition 'powerful'.
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 12:52 PM

the greatest circus on earth...;)

Opinion: Democracy Hypocrisy

By Richard Stilwell

The U.S. appears to have an unlimited budget for "marketing" democracy around the world and an aggressive sales team to push the strategy. From the chickenhawks at the Project for the New American Century to the foot-soldiers in Falluja, the great American democracy road-show is due to raise the curtain in Iraq come January, 2005, and then, who knows, perhaps the caravan will be off to Damascus and Tehran.

But how much time, energy, and how much of our growing deficit is currently dedicated to making our own elections transparent and straightforward? Millions of post-election pundit hours are spent hand-wringing and parsing every quirk of each county's voting system after a general election---there are different registration rules, differing ways of casting your vote, different biases of different election officials; teams of goons are bused out to challenge felons and falsely registered voters---"suppressing" the vote is considered a standard tactic in the election day playbook.

Listen to a.m. radio and you'll hear the creed frequently confirmed that America boasts the greatest political system the world has ever known, and why should the facts get in the way of a stirring narrative? Notwithstanding Jim Crow, since 1946 the percentage of the voting-age population participating in U.S. presidential elections reached a high of 63% in 1960 and has been at or around 50% for the past 30 years. Among our western peers the democracy-loving Germans have kicked in at 80-90% at general elections; in Britain and France it's been at or above 70%. Even after the much heralded get-out-the-vote efforts this time around the total vote appears to weigh in at around 59%, meaning that George W. Bush's "political capital" amounts to about 30% of the plurality.

Is this the great political engine we're priming for export? The U.S. Constitution and its eccentric, archaic system of converting votes into representation is hardly going to be a ready fit for the regional, religious and ethnic striations of Iraq, a country whose borders were drawn by colonial fiat in 1919 after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire. The architects of the president's foreign policy likely have something else in mind, something not entirely distant from the candid musings of a senior British India Office official at the Treaty of Sevres: "What we want is some administration with Arab institutions which we can safely leave while pulling the strings ourselves; something that won't cost very much
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 01:21 PM

Half year before general election which president tries to postpone forever by organizing once more pope visit to Poland and European Union conference etc.
In addition to it the police and military get financial benefits. Wives will get the service money regardless of age to end their life and children to 18 or to 24 if study .. It is really the nice dealing with service men, but it is one problem that Poland is not in war with Afghanistan or, Yugoslavia or Iraq, and the money from Polish taxpayers are the gift for American master.
When Polish in 70% are against Polish participation in US wars it is correct to say that Poland is not democratic country and government doesn
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 01:51 PM

What do you like best about the circus?

http://engforum.prav...threadid=106063]
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 02:58 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
Democracy Hypocrisy

"What we want is some administration with Arab institutions which we can safely leave while pulling the strings ourselves; something that won't cost very much-under which our economic and political interests will be secure."[



But fortunately life is going unanticipated way. Hypocrisy demises hypocrites.

China plans to invest $19 bln in Argentina As the world approaches into the 21st century, the China-Chile economic and trade cooperation has grown with an amazing speed. China's steel giant, the Shanghai-based Baosteel, announced Wednesday that it will form a joint venture with CVRD, a leading iron ore exporter from Brazil, and Yongcheng, a Henan coal and electric power Co. Ltd. BEIJING, Nov. 18 (Xinhuanet) -- China has successfully launched another small scientific experimental satellite from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in southwest China's Sichuan Province, China Radio International reported on Thursday. China's economy to grow by 9.25% in 2004

Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke highly of his contacts with Chinese leaders in Beijing, noting that the contacts were "fruitful."
Chinese President Hu Jintao and French President Jacques Chirac held talks at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing Saturday afternoon, exchanging views on bilateral ties and international and regional issues of common concern.


President Hu proposes to promote Sino-French ties
   President Hu Jintao put forward proposals on promoting Sino-French ties in four aspects during his talks with visiting French President Jacques Chirac Saturday in Beijing.

Sino-Chile trade cooperation achieves dramatic growth ( 18/11 19:24)


Argentine, Chinese presidents have phone talks on bilateral ties ( 18/11 13:35)


Chinese president hopes to strengthen cooperation with Argentina ( 18/11 12:53)


China highly values ties with Latin America: 16/11 23:26)


China, Argentina sign 5 cooperation documents ( 17/11 10:29)



Chinese president ends state visit to Brazil ( 16/11 20:46)


Chinese president visits Brazilian space institute ( 16/11 03:57)


Brazil applauds market economy agreement with China ( 14/11 10:41)


China values Latin America's role in world affairs:

President Hu expounds proposal for ties with L. America ( 13/11 13:40)China aims to double trade with Brazil in 3 years: Hu ( 13/11 12:27)
Chinese, Brazilian leaders pledge to promote bilateral cooperation ( 13/11 03:27)Sino-Brazilian ties enter new era ( 11/11 11:00)
http://www.xinhuanet...sh/opinions.htm

but US and her allies ;
Thailand to hold military drill with US, Singapore
Japan's Kyodo news agency reportedly revealed on Sunday the country's Defence Agency will revise its security strategy based upon three hypotheses under which China could attack Japan.

Hypocrisy demises hypocrites. :)
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 03:35 PM

A Russian company has taken a lead in the race to manufacture flu vaccine without using chicken eggs.

The technique overcomes a big problem facing researchers working on a vaccine against avian flu: the virus kills eggs, making them impossible to use in the fight against so-called bird flu.
The cell culture technique offered the possibility of making new vaccines at short notice.
http://news.ft.com/c...000e2511c8.html
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 08:05 PM

"Afghanistan produces 87% of world opium, the UN says"

What it doesn't say though is who gets high on it other than the West. Maybe it's the wrong policy to ignore addiction while cracking down on the supply side. Isn't it a natural law of capitalism to meet demand with supply? Never mind, just keep pursuing stupid policies whose consequences don't affect you. Anyway the supply will never be too low...;)

"The opium economy in Afghanistan has to be dismantled with democracy, the rule of law and economic improvement - it will be a long and difficult process," Mr Costa said.

Yeah right, as if "democracy" dismantled consumption...:confused:

graph...

http://news.bbc.co.u...4022197.stm#map


UN warns of Afghan 'drug state'
(BBC News)

The UN has warned that Afghanistan could become a "narco-state" after opium cultivation rose by two-thirds this year.

A UN report released on Thursday urged the US and Nato forces to fight drugs as well as Taleban insurgents.

It said Afghanistan now supplied 87% of world opium. In 2003, the trade was worth $2.8bn, representing more than 60% of gross domestic product.

One in 10 Afghans are now estimated to be involved in the business.

The UN said it would be an "historical error" to abandon the nation to opium.

'No silver bullet'

The UN Afghanistan Opium Survey 2004 said the drug was now the "main engine of economic growth and the strongest bond among previously quarrelsome peoples".

It said opium cultivation had increased by 64% compared to 2003.

Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said the report was a wake-up call to the world.

Mr Costa said the Afghan government was too weak to tackle the problem alone.

He called on US and Nato-led forces to carry out military operations against drug traffickers.

"In Afghanistan, drugs are now a clear and present danger," Mr Costa said.

"The fear that Afghanistan might degenerate into a narco-state is becoming a reality."

He said there was "no silver bullet" with which to tackle the problem.

"The opium economy in Afghanistan has to be dismantled with democracy, the rule of law and economic improvement - it will be a long and difficult process," Mr Costa said.

The UN report said opium production in 2004 was close to the peak of 4,600 tons in 1999, a year before the Taleban banned new cultivation.

The BBC's Roland Buerk in Kabul says it is easy to see why 2.3m people - a tenth of the population - is involved in opium, when a farmer can earn more than 10 times as much growing poppies than cultivating wheat.

Our correspondent says Afghanistan's Counter-Narcotics Directorate is calling for a "jihad", or holy war, against drugs.

Its head, Mirwais Yasini, said he would welcome military help to tackle drug traffickers and laboratories.

US prosecutions

The UN report came as the US announced a major new offensive against drug production in Afghanistan.

Washington expects to spend an extra $780m in the next financial year on measures including the eradication of poppies and alternatives for farmers.

US officials describe the new plan as a full-board commitment to support the new Afghan government in its battle against the growing drugs trade.

A senior Western diplomat in Kabul also told the BBC there were plans to take some of the largest drugs barons to the United States to prosecute them there.

Robert Charles, assistant secretary of state for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement, described poppy cultivation as a primary, if not the primary, concern for the country.

Aggressive eradication would be backed up, Mr Charles said, by a public information campaign, better law enforcement and, perhaps most crucially, real alternatives for farmers.

"You don't go in and eradicate in an area without making provision... for a marked up or added alternative development resources, or alternative livelihoods," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/4022197.stm
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Posted 18 November 2004 - 10:04 PM

"The fact that
membership of a kibbutz is a voluntary act and that every member is free to leave
prevents the use of any form of governmental coercion."

No lion, my friend...

Well, these are the rules of the game. If you have CHOICES, the chances of finding yourself working for the lion, are diminished. But if you choose to work for a lion, then it's your choice and nobody can "liberate" you. In other words, the people in the kibbutz got no lion and the people outside got no lion either if they can choose to join a kibbutz. Capito?;)

This is a great study on kibbutzim...:cool:

http://www.essex.ac....n/ws13/tsuk.PDF
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 11:42 AM

Originally posted by ALBatro
Capito...
Important experience and means to go beyond the MONOPOLIONCRACY :cool:
I downloaded the pdf file and, as soon as I've the required time, I'll study it carefully and, with the permission of the author, I'll translate into Italian, if there's not a good translation yet.

Alberto.



You got it. I'll study it too.

It seems at first hand that the more you keep it original the better. For example, JOB ROTATION is very important, and so is to keep it MONEYLESS. Those interested in hierarchies and money, outside please.;)

Bigger-scale Utopias are unlikely because of the unlikelihood of similar mentality...

"No money, no problem....the moneyless world"

The Problem:
Most of the problems existing today

The Social Invention:
What would get the best result out of anyone? working to make a living or working to support life? while everyone says it can't be done, i'm sure it can...utopia? maybe but at least the result will be way better than the mess we live in today.

A systematical distribution of work and luxury...favouring or discriminating no-one. Many of you might laugh at the following (but for those with a brain it will at least make some sense) Economy is only a dream; farmers are paid to destroy part of their harvest in times of abundance, oil prices are based upon how many barrels are pumped up...if you can't see the dirty game being played all around us, you must be choosing NOT to see. and if you're thinking such world is not possible i ask you this, do you really need to be able to prey upon your neighbour before you will support him?

A world without money...not all that impossible and NEVER worse than the present time but half of every achievement is desire
....or are we such a rotten breed?

some more comments...;)

http://www.globalide...php?ideaId=4120
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 12:31 PM

OK, I'll be making a few comments as I read.

So far, up to page 7, there isn't much worth translating but this note...

"identified
with the ideas underlying the kibbutz v ideas such as the fulfillment of Zionism, the
return to working the land, the Socialist ideal of a society based on labor free of
exploitation, and the solutions created by the kibbutz for such problems as isolation in an
alien environment, the dearth of means in a society of immigrants and uprooted people,
preparing land for agricultural use, etc."

No idea of Zionism, of course, concerns us, but living in a society free from exploitation does. Living free from the lion is our goal. So they are fitting to us.

Also living "in an alien environment" is synonymous with living under the lion. So they too come handy here.

It seems though that as the environment outside becomes less alien, they lose some of their appeal. But their goal may have been reached, ie. the taming of the lion. At that point, you can choose b/ the two--society or kibbutz--the same way you now vote for Democrats or Republicans, but making a real difference in your life. And so this difference must be preserved, not watered-down, in the kibbutz, adhering to the original ideals of the movement, free from contaminating capitalism.:cool:
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 12:53 PM

pages 9-10

OK, here's the workings of it. Real democracy at work on a regular basis over real issues, not once every four years over vague promises.:confused:

'The characteristic integrative partnership of the kibbutz, which encompasses all spheres
of human activity and life, makes the a priori assumption that the majority of the
members will be involved in all spheres, and not confine themselves to the decisionmaking
or election process. The egalitarian foundations of the kibbutz also dictate the
desire to achieve equality in terms of power and social influence; once again, this cannot
be ensured merely by passive --or even active-- participation in the general meeting, but
through active participation in all manifestations and spheres of activity on the kibbutz.
The "general meeting," which typically meets once a week, functions as the
quintessential manifestation of this democracy, symbolizing the overall character of
kibbutz life and the cohesion of the different aspects of life and the different internal
authorities. The general meeting functions as an integrative framework balancing the
principles that guide the various spheres of activity (such as economic considerations
versus social or educational ones), or the interests of distinct social or organizational
groups. The constitutional function of the general meeting is reflected in policy setting
and in developing the principles that guide the different spheres of activity; in approving
the economic and work plan; in determining the expenditure budget and investment plan;
and in discussing cases that raise important precedents. The general meeting also fills a
communicative and social function as a social encounter of all the strata on the kibbutz.27
The organizational structure of the kibbutz is based on committees responsible for
addressing different spheres of life, and on a system of "branches" (work groups). The
committees are devoted to specific spheres (culture, health, education, etc.), or to
coordination between spheres (the kibbutz secretariat, the economic committee, and the
work committee). The principal officials are: The secretary, who is responsible for
coordinating social activity; the economic coordinator, who is responsible for
coordinating economic activity; the treasurer, responsible for the financial system; the
work coordinator, responsible for the allocation of personnel to the various branches,
services, and other spheres of activity.'
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:49 PM

page 12

This "glory"--indigence and poverty--is no good and would only lead to disaster. Perhaps good in Gandhi's times but not now. We need to emphasize QUALITY OF LIFE, ABUNDANCE and FUN, to attract both the family and the young. Of course this "abundance" won't encourage consumption, but rather GOOD FOOD, and THINGS COMMUNAL, which otherwise could not be afforded individually. For example, a kibbutz can own a sailboat, something unthinkable for the average Prole out there...;)

"The perceived glory of indigence and poverty and the view that the
egalitarian meek were superior to those who are not "allies" developed in a natural
manner. Elitism was one of the rewards created by society in order to compensate
kibbutz members for voluntarily foregoing their personal interest, individual benefit, and
other mundane pleasures."
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:13 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
"The fact that
membership of a kibbutz is a voluntary act and that every member is free to leave
prevents the use of any form of governmental coercion."

No lion, my friend...



Better than kibbutz I see China economy. The dollar's 4.3 percent drop against the euro this month is front-page news as investors finally realize a U.S. current account deficit approaching 6 percent of gross domestic product is a problem.
Now US try to put their deficit on Asian and European Union account.
China is untuachable because Yuan is peg to dollar . It means where you are Cojus (dollar) going that there I am Kaya (yuan) as well.
Now US have only Japanese to press it

By holding down the Chinese yuan, Japanese yen, South Korean won and other currencies, Asians indirectly boost the euro. `
US try now to push Japan to devaluate Jen by selling Japan currency. Only when Tokyo lets markets set the yen's value will China and others follow suit.
If global policy makers ( read US ) want to fix things, ``they need to deal with Japan,'-
' If Europe works together, it may be able to force change in Asian currency policies.
If so, the global economy ( read US ) might be better off.

Question is only why the real world should pay American debts?
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