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#4381 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:29 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
". Elitism was one of the rewards created by society in order to compensate
kibbutz members for voluntarily foregoing their personal interest, individual benefit, and
other mundane pleasures."



Memory of elite
SS abbreviation of Schutzstaffel (German:
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:38 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Better than kibbutz I see China economy.



Just a question, Woj, where would you rather live if given the choice b/ life in a kibbutz and life in a factory in China?;)
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:40 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
[B]Memory of elite
SS abbreviation of Schutzstaffel (German: ?Protective Echelon
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:54 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
Have you seen any kibbutz paramilitary forces? or viceversa,

Did the SS work the land and made things?;)



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Posted 19 November 2004 - 04:01 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Don-t ask me but Palestinians .
iDid Sharon ever work the land and made things in addition to the WALL ?



You are talking about the lion, Woj, not the lion-free kibbutz...;)
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 04:06 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
You are talking about the lion, Woj, not the lion-free kibbutz...;)



Is apple drop far from apple tree?
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 04:42 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Is apple drop far from apple tree?



It may have been used by the lion, but it's not a lion institution. Maybe they felt it was their only choice...

But I bet you they are they would be glad not to be part of it.
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:04 PM

Hi Harel
For some reason we exchanged links. Our organization, Justice for Peace, proposes ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY too. HAVING CHOICES, we say. And then, as you know, we use some imaginative language, or more precisely jungle language and food language, to reach the little people or little animals, those at the bottom of the food chain...

We speak about a MONOPOLISTIC LION who may rule either over a CHAOTIC JUNGLE or a DISCIPLINED HERD, but who sure HATES COMPETITION. His politics are really CAMOUFLAGE, no more than skin-deep. He's a HUNGRY LION who controls the WATERHOLE in the dry season. Well, who can't recognize the beast? But many people wonder, "what then?" Then we propose WORKING MODELS, particularly COOPS in competition with capitalist enterprises. Nothing to fear from something that works, right?:cool:

It's not difficult for the little people to realize they can only benefit from working together. After all, the little animals FIND SAFETY AND STRENGTH IN COOPERATION too. Even the lion fears a pack of well-organized wild dogs. But it's not about confrontation either, since we know the best solution is to have PEOPLE VOTE WITH THEIR FEET, another name for ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY.

Well, after handing out thousands of fliers, I tell you people love it. And the young ask, "when is the party?";)

http://groundaction....c.php?p=125#125
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 09:35 AM

Antonia Maria Costa, Exec-Director of UN Office on drugs and crime,
calls the dogs of war on to what the dogs of war restored - a
regime in Afghanistan that didnt stop the opion industry like the Talliban.
The stench of the Lion is overwhelming.
And $780 million expected to be spent by Washington on the war on opium. What is the CIAs real budget target?
Note the world govt mentality of the UN, calling in the Regulators.
Does that means the puppet govt of Kabul (forget it being govt over anything outside the capital) will not benefit from the
industry, just the globalists.
And the UN was the hope of peace. Fox guards the chicken house.

KIbbutz: people want freedom not fixture. The kibbutz looks good against the bad but that is a tricky ploy the majority will not fall for.
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Bader
Antonia Maria Costa, Exec-Director of UN Office on drugs and crime,
calls the dogs of war on to what the dogs of war restored - a
regime in Afghanistan that didnt stop the opion industry like the Talliban.
The stench of the Lion is overwhelming.
And $780 million expected to be spent by Washington on the war on opium. What is the CIAs real budget target?
Note the world govt mentality of the UN, calling in the Regulators.
Does that means the puppet govt of Kabul (forget it being govt over anything outside the capital) will not benefit from the
industry, just the globalists.
And the UN was the hope of peace. Fox guards the chicken house.

KIbbutz: people want freedom not fixture. The kibbutz looks good against the bad but that is a tricky ploy the majority will not fall for.



Well, if isn't the kibbutz, a community of like-minded anti-lion people, then what? Regulation?

Do not sink the ship before you got one that floats...;)
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Bader
The stench of the Lion is overwhelming.
And $780 million expected to be spent by Washington on the war on opium. What is the CIAs real budget target?



Chavez threatens U.S. influence more than ever
Published August 25, 2004

MIAMI - After handsomely winning a recall referendum last week, Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, has emerged stronger than ever.
So much so, that for the first time his much-questioned revolutionary movement begins to look like a serious challenge to U.S. influence in the region.

When Chavez was briefly ousted in a civilian-military uprising in 2002, the State Department gleefully welcomed his removal, only to watch Chavez retake power within 48 hours.
Last week Washington looked on helplessly as Chavez romped to victory by 59 percent to 41 percent in a recall referendum.
While it's no secret that the Bush administration loathes Chavez. For the time being, the region continues to dance to Washington's tune. But Chavez now talks of harnessing the hemisphere's oil and gas reserves into one giant economic machine he likes to call PetroAmerica.
.dadams@sptimes.com


A prosecutor pressing charges against backers of Venezuela's failed 2002 coup was killed by explosions as he was driving through the capital, http://news.yahoo.co...ezuela_attack_5

Connection that Chavez threatens U.S. influence more than ever?
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 03:59 PM

Just imagine, the little animals living better than the lion. Where else the poor can afford swimiming pool and horseback riding? Only in a kibbutz...;)

Woj, not even the greedy Chinese can live this good.


Cultural Life
Cultural life on a small, isolated desert settlement is mostly what you make it. In addition to informal social interactions, we invest considerable time and energy in holiday celebrations and "home-grown" cultural activities, which utilize the various talents of those who live here.

There is also a wealth of activity at the regional center, a ten-minute drive from Ketura. The regional auditorium offers a varied schedule of plays, dance performances, movies and concerts by Israel's best-known entertainers, who come from hundreds of kilometers away to perform in our hall. The regional center also sponsors ongoing groups who study ceramics, dance and movement, film, theater, and sports, as well as an outdoors club that spends weekends exploring the hidden wonders of the desert. They subsidize a variety of arts and recreation clubs, and host the annual Israel Independence Day celebration for the entire region.

Back on the kibbutz itself, we have a music room, a darkroom, and a ceramics studio. For recreation we have tennis courts, a swimming pool, a soccer field, and a stable with a small herd of horses available for riding. The Culture Committee sponsors guest lectures and performances within the constraints of its budget. AIES (the Arava Institute for Environmental Studies) also offers lectures and events in English.

Located as Ketura is in the middle of the desert, forty minutes from the nearest town, an active local cultural life is essential. All Jewish holidays are marked with some cultural activities, in addition to the traditional synagogue services. Holidays not appearing on the Jewish calendar, but which are celebrated on Ketura, include: Chag HaMeshek, or the kibbutz's birthday; New Year's Eve; and Ice Cream For Breakfast Day, which falls on the first Shabbat in February.

Ketura's cable TV system features thiry-five Israeli and international channels, as well as a closed-circuit channel that features an electronic bulletin board.

http://www.ketura.org.il/culture.html
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 07:16 PM

Kibbutz are rafts not ships. Its one thing to create a lifestyle
micro-community, its another to build a nation, and Russia as the
title-case in point is not a micro-sized entity.

Woj what is the refrerrence to the post you made about the US trying get Japan to devalue?
The US economy is a hot subject on another thread and that would be relevent as Europe are expecting the US to devalue
apparently.
I run into Pliny again on that thread.
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Kibbutz are rafts not ships. Its one thing to create a lifestyle
micro-community, its another to build a nation, and Russia as the
title-case in point is not a micro-sized entity.



Rafts are important when ship is sinking. Perhaps big ships are difficult to sail, and not necessary at all.

Small community is the solution. The water well is better than the dam...

Isn't this life?;)

http://www.tilda.edu...vulot/pool5.jpg
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 10:46 PM

I can see who the lion-side is while the natives live amongst the rubble, thanks to the UN.

I guess you go along with the break-up of Jugoslavia and the same attempt on Russia, DonQ.

Slavs unite (coop)!
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 10:57 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
Well, if isn't the kibbutz, a community of like-minded anti-lion people, then what? Regulation?

Do not sink the ship before you got one that floats...;)



Propaganda says ; Nonviolent resistance to British colonialism under Mohandas GANDHI and Jawaharlal NEHRU led to independence in 1947.
But it is only part of the truth. . Independence was brought by Siikh political party in India and Sikhism, a religion of India.
The Sikh state in the Punjab had been built into a formidable power by the maharaja Ranjit Singh, born 1816, Punjab, India
- died 1885, Burma [Myanmar who ruled from 1801 to 1839.

The maharaja Ranjit Singh was Sikh philosopher and reformer and the first Indian to use noncooperation and boycott of British merchandise and services as a political weapon.
Akali was first applied to suicide squads that appeared in the Sikh armies .
They have distinctive style of wearing the turban (bound straight across the forehead.
Nonviolent resistance led to independence, but it was preconditioned by much violence and blood. .
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Posted 20 November 2004 - 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Bader

Woj what is the refrerrence to the post you made about the US trying get Japan to devalue?


US try to have the both way;
Bush is Committed to `Strong Dollar to pay oil and all imported goods and immediately debts and the same time US want the low dollars to makes their products winning price competition. Lower dollar in debts makes debts smaller as a part of increasing value of Japan Yen.

It was on blomberg, but it is gone. Now I see the different money analyses. .http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=ah05dLpNiv1w&refer=home.

Anyway it called rather for upgrading Yean and Yuan than devaluating.
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Posted 21 November 2004 - 12:03 AM

An ape that lived 13 million years ago in what is now Spain may have been the last common ancestor of all apes, including chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and humans" This probably is very close to the last common ancestor of great apes and humans,"
About 25 million years ago, old world monkeys, which now live in Africa and Asia, split off from the line that eventually led to apes.
The great apes -- orangutans, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas and humans -- are believed to have branched off from the lesser apes such as gibbons and siamangs about 11 million to 16 million years ago.
Humans branched off from chimpanzees an estimated 7 million years ago.
http://story.news.ya.../science_ape_dc

So the aunt Lucia were to be common ancestor in Africa might not be not common ancestor after all.
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Posted 21 November 2004 - 01:16 AM

"Arafat is taking with him to the grave the secret of the bank accounts, much to the dismay of most Palestinians," said a Palestinian editor in Ramallah. "This is a tragedy. The Palestinian people are among the poorest in the world, while their leaders are among the richest."

Take this with a grain of salt (coming from Israeli sources), but it goes to show NO ONE can be trusted in the jungle. Arafat is reported to have been running a very profitable enterprise. But the Israeli lion bear some responsibility on it...

Lions create resistance, and resistance creates leaders, and leaders become lions. Lions feed lions.

And look at his "poor" widow...;)

SUHA ARAFAT, who is already believed to be one of the wealthiest women in the world, has access to some of the money, but even she does not know all the ins and outs of the secret accounts. Until last year, she received a monthly stipend of $100,000 from the Palestinian coffers. The sum was later reduced by half, prompting an angry Suha to accuse some of her husband's cronies of seeking to "destroy" her.

This year, French prosecutors began a money-laundering inquiry into transfers of $11.4m. into her accounts from Swiss banks. The decision further enraged the "first lady of Palestine," who rushed to accuse Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of standing behind the investigation into her financial conduct.

"This woman is worth tens of millions of dollars," said a senior Fatah official in Ramallah. "Before she married the president she was not rich. This money belongs to the Palestinian people and she must return it."

http://www.jpost.com...p=1074657885918
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Posted 21 November 2004 - 01:36 AM

Kibbutz is best hope to the jungle. No leaders, no lions...

And it offers best ecological hope.

"Where modern consumerism and capitalism armed with the latest technology are creating a wasteland unfit for human habitation, we have a task to create a new society, one which will use the technology available to us, in a spirit of cooperation, to create communities which will be sustainable and live lightly on the land."

The Greening of the Kibbutz

Samar is a very radical community. One of the stories that circulates around the Kibbutz Movement about them is the story of their common purse. They used to have cash freely available in a basket in the dining room, whoever needed any could go and help themselves. This wasn't actually denied, but I saw no evidence of this basket when we had lunch together there. However, they do set their own budgets, both of money and of labor days, and the different members differing needs are respected and catered for. They are not strong on committee work, preferring to give themselves an anarchic freedom to do the things that seem best to each one. And they keep themselves solvent, generating a profit each year to invest in projects of various kinds.

(snip)

But the lion threatens their lifestyle...

On the way home on the early morning flight I reflected on what I had experienced over the last few days. I had been privileged to visit a group of communities who were looking to the future with an earnest wish to create a culture and a lifestyle that would be sustainable and kind to the natural ecology in which they found themselves. This desire to give something worthwhile to the future was so in keeping with traditional kibbutz ideology that here indeed lay the future of our movement. We were founded upon a desire to build something for future generations, and much of this has been dissipated in the fast paced modern life we find ourselves in, compounded of intrusive western dreams of consumerism and competition. The task of the Green Kibbutz Group became quite clear to me, to find this concern in every kibbutz in the country, and nurture it, helping it along to make the kibbutz movement once again a leading social experiment. Where modern consumerism and capitalism armed with the latest technology are creating a wasteland unfit for human habitation, we have a task to create a new society, one which will use the technology available to us, in a spirit of cooperation, to create communities which will be sustainable and live lightly on the land.

http://www.ru.org/artkibb.html
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