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#4481 woj1@cyberonic.

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Posted 26 November 2004 - 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Bader
1000ks north of Algiers, but it only functions at night time.



It would be an answer on question;
Did Illuminati participate in developing of AIDS in medical labs?

The Puzzling Origins of AIDS
Four rival theories provide some interesting lessons
How did HIV originate? Four ideas are under serious consideration. One is quite controversial
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 05:01 AM

Howdy Woj:
I am not up on the details. I have seen material which included DRs in relation to this subject. IF I remember rightly it was developed in the US, its a WMD, and allegedly it swas aimed at Homosexuals and blacks which is why it has a huge hold on Africa.
I think you may find that certain animal deseases are laboritory
mutated to attack humans. Forget little green monkeys etc.
Its the mutation is the key which means it is man made.
Sars is the same.
It was said that Israel thought this was the answer for them by designing one that would attack only the genes of Palestinians
but they found they were compatable, which raises questions about some "Jewish" origins.
There is too much to investigate so to speak, there is so much happening, so this is one subject I didnt deliberate on as I have other interests.
I am satisfied it is man made for evil purposes.

Regarding the other post you made recently saying it was the same as what I was saying, it was similar, but I havent heard
anyone saying that an objective was to capture Russias nuclear
weapons to depopulate the world.
I would think that famine and deseases and the numerous wars
with no end in sight would be better than contaminating waste areas which denies the conqueror from using it.
But the plans to depopulate and wind back industry etc is in the outcomes of the world summits and has been adopted by the UN.
Few people bother to scruntinise the hundreds of pages in these documents to work out what the fine-print is.
The world wont front the Bush crimes against humanity, its like a litmus test, so the worse to follow is in the clear, no opposition.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 08:03 AM

A Democratic philanthropist has offered this reward to anyone who can prove the Bush Admins explanation for the Twin Tpwers going down.
PLus a bunch of smaller prizes for runner-ups.
He has already spent one million on advertising and ha spent a further one and a half to blitz NY papers with the same.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Bader
1000ks north of Algiers, but it only functions at night time.



oh no!
not at all!
even in dream!
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Cowboy
don quijote:

Where I live - it's a free-market economy; folks don't like being told what they can or can't buy as if it were a command economy. Go bych to the auto manufacturers to improve efficiency, cause I sure as hell won't argue with you in that I'd love to get 40+ mpg instead of the 12 or so I see with my truck. See; you're directing your anti-SUV rant at the wrong crowd. Consumers will buy what they need or want, but manufacturers can do better with pressure in the right places.

#1: I drive a truck that has the same engine as a Ford Expedition, so what's the freakin' difference? Are you going to tell me and all the other millions of truck owners that we should go out and buy hybrids?? Try hauling a load full of grain in a shyt can Honda. The FORD F-150 is the world's best selling consumer vehicle; trucks get the work done in my town.

#2: If you live in a city or don't have kids; shyt, a Mini Cooper or Camry might do you good. That stuff won't work for me where I live and what I deal with.

Like Montgomery Gentry say: I ain't trading in my family's safety just to save on a little gas ................ YOU DO YOUR THING, I'll DO MINE!!!! [fuqing bad-azz song and it's how millions roll].

Like I said - you go voice it to the auto manufacturers and tell them I want the same truck, but with 40 mpg. You think I like paying $300 per month in gas??? Hell no, but I ain't about to drive no fuqing Jap car and a Ford Focus or Chevy Cobalt just don't cut it for me.



Cowboy, I don't have a rationing in mind, but the current level of happy-go-around waste is UNSUSTAINABLE.

But you know what is f*** wrong with the world (aka the jungle)? Not that you personally drive a truck, particularly if you need it, but that WASTING GAS IS GLAMORIZED. If you drive an SUV in the city (hardly a need for it) it signals "hey, I'm the king of the world, and f*** the world." Another thing is wrong with the world (or should I say America?) is that YOU DON'T HAVE CHOICES, but to pollute. I got 3 spanking new bicycles in my apartment that go nowhere. Why? Because it's a jungle out there. And being small gets you in trouble. Not even in a small car you are safe, let alone in a bicycle, on the chaotic American roads, where SIZE MATTERS. We need BIKE LANES but that's too much to ask in the land of super roads.

So sure we can put pressure on Ford Corportation to produce hybrids and complain all you want, and they should be doing much more by now, but in the meantime, I'm saying WE LIVE UNDER THE FOOT OF THE DINOSAUR. And the STUPID HUNGRY DINOSAUR, instead of coming up with something creative, demands to be fed at whatever cost.:confused:

(hey, you can sign something here);)

Climate Change Petition Online
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If the beast were smart, it could notice things like this...;)


Wind industry bids to win over doubters
Friday, November 26, 2004 Posted: 9:30 AM EST (1430 GMT)

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- The European wind energy industry, thriving as climate change tops the global agenda, says it could eventually supply all the continent's electricity, but must first overcome public resistance over eyesore turbines.

The European Wind Energy Association (EWEA), which held its annual meeting in London this week, projected that offshore "wind farms" covering an area the size of Greece could meet Europe's electricity needs with no greenhouse gas emissions.

But sceptics cite pollution of another kind with giant wind turbines scarring the landscape, or blighting the sea horizon, deterring tourists and killing birds with their whirling vanes.

"The argument is reaching ridiculous proportions. Most people don't understand climate change and they don't understand wind turbines," Alison Hill of the British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) told an international meeting in London.

She said her organization was mounting a major publicity campaign in newspapers, with billboard posters and a photographic exhibition extolling what she called the beauty of turbines to inform and win over people.

"It is a long standing case of Not In My Back Yard. Where people have knowledge they give support. In this case familiarity breeds content," she said.

With the Kyoto treaty on cutting carbon dioxide emissions about to come into force, signatory governments must seek clean and renewable sources of energy.

Wind farms are sprouting in fields, on hilltops and out of the seas around Europe with major projects either under construction or in planning.

The EWEA says it can hit the target of generating 75 gigawatts (GW) of electricity -- or 5.5 percent of demand -- by 2010, of which 10 GW could be offshore.

With initiative and government intervention to remove long term support for the carbon dioxide emitting fossil fuel power industry, this could rise to 12 percent by 2020.

"In the longer term, a sea area of 150,000 square kilometers ... could provide enough power to satisfy all of Europe's electricity demand," an EWEA statement said. He gave no timeframe.

But Rowena Langston of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds -- which says global warming must be stopped -- said development was being pushed ahead with scant reference to the impact on the local environment and in particular bird life.

"Until there is more robust information, we are not going to overstep our conservation brief and say a project should go ahead regardless," she told the meeting.

But renewabale energy specialist Bryony Worthington of pressure group Friends of the Earth countered that the climate crisis was now so grave that birds had to take second place to saving the planet.

"The bottom line is that climate change is happening, endangering us all. It is extremely scary," she told Reuters.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 06:11 PM

Howdy DonQ:

I have to admit Cowboy got it right. I could have said similar a long time ago.
People subject to the Law of the Jungle are trying to survive not trying to protect the Law.
The lion is not govt bureaucracy, thats just as subject to the Law as Cowboy.
And if you went to the manufacturer they would tell you the same story as it applies to them.
The universe is full of energy and its free. Thats why we cant have it, because the Lion wants to sell it. IF the US spent its defence budget on bike lanes it wouldnt change a thing.
Cowboy would toot as he passed you in a hurry everymorning in his ford because he has debts to pay because he has a business
and costs that shouldnt be but they are there until we all wake up to the game.
We are our own worst enemy, like animal farm, instead of being able to recognise a common enemy and work together, those we elect to manage the problem only ever manage us. Organise a
revolt and certain people types will come out of the woodwork to Run it for everyone and turn it into a comfortable little castle around themselves.
And change is almost impossible because we have been made dumb by the state education and it has been maintained by the media after we leave school. Crisis is the only answer to move people enmass in a short time (eg Sept 11) and thats what its all building up to.
But who is in charge of where we will be moved to?
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Bader
It was said that Israel thought this was the answer for them by designing one that would attack only the genes of Palestinians
but they found they were compatable, which raises questions about some "Jewish" origins.
There is too much to investigate so to speak...,



Neandertals were not us. That is, Neandertals were probably not members of our own species, judging from recent analyses of mitochondrial DNA Genetic material . They say; Neanderthals were different from us. But has anybody seen the human genome and as a contrast to the Neanderthals genome No? . Has anybody seen genome of main human groups? no.

I think that reason is only one; Abraham was s father not only son by Sara but the Egyptian Hager . Since Ishmael and Isaac are Abraham sons they are brothers.
The genetic similarity Jew and Palestinians Illuminati try to hide


Neanderthals evolved a more rapid rate of physical maturation in response to high mortality rates.
Astonishingly, the great majority of these individuals died before reaching middle age. . Neanderthals usually died young, then natural selection would favor individuals who grew up fast and bore their babies early. Earlier maturity among their offspring would shorten the period of vulnerable childhood
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 08:49 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
"The bottom line is that climate change is happening . ".



Ukraine Parliament Says Disputed Poll Invalid

Supreme court will rule.
And I think that it might be the correct way.
When you see Solana known from heating the Albanians against the Serbs in Yugoslavia , it is obvious that his purpose is to demise Ukraine as he did on Albright order in Yugoslavia.

Next is Adamcus
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:45 AM

Originally posted by donquijote
If the beast were smart, it could notice things like this...;)




When one, who consider himself as environmentally concern and fraudulently omit US criminal acts of DU bombing and he is silent about the tragic impact of DU on environment and human race should limit himself to looking for answer why elephants have big ears. :)
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Bader
Howdy DonQ:

I have to admit Cowboy got it right. I could have said similar a long time ago.
People subject to the Law of the Jungle are trying to survive not trying to protect the Law.
The lion is not govt bureaucracy, thats just as subject to the Law as Cowboy.
And if you went to the manufacturer they would tell you the same story as it applies to them.
The universe is full of energy and its free. Thats why we cant have it, because the Lion wants to sell it. IF the US spent its defence budget on bike lanes it wouldnt change a thing.



Howdy Bader
It makes sense that the jungle condemns everybody, except that a GOOD CHUNK OF THAT DEBT IS THE $30,000+ SUV. If there were bike lanes people could get away with bicicles, which is precisely why the government does't build them. He wants to be fed in a BIG WAY.;)

But if the bureaucracy is not the lion, then it's one of his associates in sharing the scraps. That's why they resist ANY change, except a raise in salary and benefits...:cool:
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 01:24 AM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
When one, who consider himself as environmentally concern and fraudulently omit US criminal acts of DU bombing and he is silent about the tragic impact of DU on environment and human race should limit himself to looking for answer why elephants have big ears. :)



Who you talking about?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 02:17 AM

Originally posted by donquijote
Who you talking about?



About the Illuminati; present and past.
Bader very precisely describes present horror of illuminati, and I will add a few examples from the past.

The answer for application of elephant ears is the following.
The elephants use them as fans to protect their brains. :)
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 02:28 AM

Howdy Woj:

If the Arabs are semites and the vast majority of Jews are Khazahs
(Ashkenazi) then just who is anti-semitic?

I dont know that Ishmael is viewed as the father of all Arabs by people in the Middle East. Perhaps that is being a little too simplistic. I wonder what happened to the half-Jewish Samaritans, and the Moabites and the Edomite Jews decended from Isau Jacobs brother, and there were others. Not least of all the ten tribes of the house of Israel after they were taken off into captivity? The word Jew is supposed to be attached to those who are descended from the house of Judah.
Needless to say the whole issue of the Middle east has been overcome by smoke and mirrors to hide the truth.
I dont accept the popular notion amongst Christians that the
"return of the Jews" is as cut and dried as they think, all the more so when the majority of them dont want to live there.
My personal view is that a state of Israel is necessary for an
Anti-christ to arrise. One merely has to contemplate it happening when there was no Israel. What better introduction than in a
time of crisis for "Israel". There are many interpretations and most people will be wrong on some point. If we all knew everything already there would be no need for faith. The birth of Ishmael is a classic case of getting it wrong.
Prophesy to my knowledge, which may not be great, doesnt make any indication that Ishmael would contend with Israel regarding blessing s and promises, it said he would be a difficult man whos hand would be against everyman which may be a key to why they cant unite, but it says that the Edomites, the descendants of Jacobs twin brother Esau who dispised the birthright would.
I do not see the Arabs as Edomite Jews. Some believe the Palestinians are the Edomites. However the character of the Edomites in the prophesy to Esau who begged for a blessing
hasnt corresponed to Palestinians in my view. (Maybe Im an Ishmaelite, who disagrees with everyone else! )
In terms of montheism Abraham is the father of the three but there is no question that the sons of faith are the true sons, Abraham was called Father of nations (gentiles) and Sarah ( not Hagar) Mother
of the same. Abraham not only wasnt a Jew but wasnt called father of Jews. The oldest son who didnt come by faith did not inherit the main blessing but received one just the same to honour his father and the fact he was his natural son. There was no stigma attached to Ishmael who wasnt Sarahs son. The son who came by faith (promised miracle birth) was the one who received the blessing which represents the heritage. Notice God changed Abrams and Jacobs names once they attained an acceptable level of faith. Their earthly fathers gave them there natural birth names, but when they become men of faith their spiritual father gave them a new name.
Scripture talk s of a Book of Life on Judgment Day. Those new names of all the sons and daughters of Abraham and Sarah (of many nations) are already recorded there Im picking. Thats where Slav should unite.
As powerful as zionist maybe and may yet get the sons of the flesh (who use force and intrigue) will not inherit the promises made to Abraham that can only come in time to the sons of faith ( of many nations, not one only made up of imposters)
The meek will inherit the world (to come promised to Abraham and his nations) not the terrorists and thieves.
If natural family lines is all there is to it, then jewish racism rules, the emphasis being on racism not jews as they are not exclusively descened from Abram, in which case why did God wait till Sarah was ninety year old, which she laughted at, to set off the family tree"?

"climate change is happening"
So is fashions, thinking and freedom we once knew.
It isnt "the bottem line" for me, which suggests we dont bother the think about whats really happening, just jump together, but who is in charge of where we jump to?.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 03:44 AM

Originally posted by Bader
"climate change is happening"
So is fashions, thinking and freedom we once knew.
It isnt "the bottem line" for me, which suggests we dont bother the think about whats really happening, just jump together, but who is in charge of where we jump to?.



We are. We are the lion slayers.

Who can we trust otherwise?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 04:32 AM

Hack the Vote: Ukrania or USA?

http://engforum.prav...threadid=107525
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:27 AM

And the tyrany of the jungle will go on until the last dollar is repaid.
And that last dollar will be a borrowed one like all the rest.
Perhaps Woj can quip a proverb that covers that delemma.

Why dont they try hacking into the debt and wipe it out, while they are running the country by hacking?

Just imagine if the arms industry hacked into the armed forces
inventories and every two months show they were out of ammunition!

Getting back to cycle-world DonQ, can you picture bullet-proof
bikes in a presidential bike-cade? Dont you think you are asking too much, peddling the wrong solution?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Bader
Getting back to cycle-world DonQ, can you picture bullet-proof
bikes in a presidential bike-cade? Dont you think you are asking too much, peddling the wrong solution?



Yeah, but remember the SOLUTION IS A MATTER OF CHOICES, getting rid of your particular lion(s). SUVs driven reckelessly on American roads are the lion, and they prevent me, the little ant, from using any roads. It's a dictatorship of the big predators, I'd say...;)
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:32 PM

> > "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
> > intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
> > -Charles Darwin
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> (cut)
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> Let's see ... humans can adapt to live underwater, on land, in arid regions,
> in space, etc. Unless humans run out of energy, I suspect that they will
> continue to thrive. If humans *do* run out of energy, look for the ****
> roaches and ants to fill in the void.

I can see a bright future...for roaches and ants. ;)

Humans though can live on land for quite a while (maybe 100 years) but more difficult to live under water or up in space (maybe some months at most).

The scenarios of destruction can be multiple, but it can most likely descend into chaos and war due to scarcity of resources and/or environmental catastrophes and/or injustice. We can see what's to come by learning from the past...

A Recipe for Disaster?

Easter Island is the perfect precedent of what will happen to the world--if we don't stop it on time. The most valuable resources are being diverted into EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS and WARS, while the REAL ISSUES--environmental damage, injustice, etc--are ignored. The WATER WELL IS DRYING UP before our very eyes. A recipe for disaster, I'd say...

'The little spot of land in the middle of endless sea is more-or-less in the same situation as our lonely little rock in dark cold universe, and in the ecologically induced class struggle between "Long Ears" and "Short Ears" we might see reflection of the escalating conflict between rich and privileged states of the First World and numerically increasing yet constantly impoverished multitudes of the Third World.'

RAPA NUI (1994)
reviewed by
Dragan Antulov

The plot of this film is based on the legends and historical speculations about Easter Island in Southeast Pacific, the most remote part of the world that was ever settled by human beings. Dutch explorers, upon discovering those islands in 1722, found impressive statues but the the local population, made of stone-age cannibalistic savages, seemed incapable of erecting them. The movie tries to give the explanation for this by setting the story few decades before the arrival of Europeans. The island is so far away from the other lands and that the descendants of Polynesian settlers forgot their roots and believe that they are the only people in the world. Lack of external conflicts doesn't mean that there aren't tensions within the community - the society is divided into two classes based on racial features - aristocratic "Long Ears" and plebeian "Short Ears". The class and racial tensions has begun to escalate because of the population explosion; the island is simply too small to provide the needs for the people. Old and senile king Ariki-mau (played by Eru Potaka-Dewes) is less concerned with those problems, because he thinks only of erecting bigger and bigger statues in order to placate gods. His grandson Naro (played by Jason Scott Lee) has other things on his mind, since he fell in love in "Short Ear" girl Ramana (played by Sandirine Holt). Love that crosses class divide happens in worst of all times, since "Short Ears" like Make (played by Esai Morales) are less and less enthusiastic about "Long Ears" rule, which slowly but inevitably paves the way for brutal civil unrest.

RAPA NUI definitely belongs to the same category as multitude of other films with strong environmental message, which used to be made during the zenith of Hollywood's "political correctness" in early to mid 1990s. What distinguishes this film from those films is the manor in which the message is delivered to the audience. Namely, filmmakers wisely chose to set the plot in a time before arrival of Europeans, thus sparing the viewers from "politically correct" cliches of evil European civilisation destroying the nature. RAPA NUI shows that less advanced native cultures, which are supposed to be more "in tune" with the nature, can be equally or even more deadly to the environment than their modern-day equivalents. What is even more remarkable about this film is the fact that the whole story can be seen as powerful allegory about the current state of human civilisation as a whole. The little spot of land in the middle of endless sea is more-or-less in the same situation as our lonely little rock in dark cold universe, and in the ecologically induced class struggle between "Long Ears" and "Short Ears" we might see reflection of the escalating conflict between rich and privileged states of the First World and numerically increasing yet constantly impoverished multitudes of the Third World. Unlike other films that try to shove the Message down our throats by, RAPA NUI successfully shows how greed, ignorance and unbalanced approach towards environment can bring down entire civilisation.

Unfortunately, most of the viewers have to digest this message in the context of plot, characters and situations that sometimes look too cliched or simplistic, or simply out of place. One of the examples is the triathlon scene, which looks like it was added into the film only to provide some testosterone- filled action in otherwise depressive movie. The writer and director Kevin Reynolds nevertheless manages to keep things under control, helped by ethnically diverse and very capable cast. Despite many flaws, RAPA NUI is a film that can leave a strong impression on any viewers, and after WTC bombings, when the future of our world seems so uncertain, this impression is definitely going to be even stronger.

more...

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Posted 28 November 2004 - 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Bader
The meek will inherit the world (to come promised to Abraham and his nations) not the terrorists and thieves.
If natural family lines is all there is to it, then jewish racism rules, the emphasis being on racism not jews as they are not exclusively descened from Abram, in which case why did God wait till Sarah was ninety year old, which she laughted at, to set off the family tree"?

"climate change is happening"
So is fashions, thinking and freedom we once knew.
It isnt "the bottem line" for me, which suggests we dont bother the think about whats really happening, just jump together, but who is in charge of where we jump to?.




Did dinosaurs drive SUV? Scientists provide data prooving that during Jurassic Park era , in atmosphere were 23% oxygen when now is only 21%.
Warming is good for Poland, number of vegetation days increases about 4 days per year.
I privately hope that country like Holland in depression (below see level) will disappear; wouldn
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 04:05 PM

"Across its range, this magnificent animal is being poisoned, electrocuted, blown up by land mines, trapped, snared, shot and captured"

Funds to save the tiger are short; funds for war are plentyful. Welcome to the land of the human predators...:(

Conservationists call for more funds, commitment to protect tigers

Fri Nov 26, 7:56 PM ET Science - AFP

HANOI (AFP) - A large injection of funds and commitment from the international community is needed to prevent the world's critically endangered tiger population from dwindling any further, conservationists warned.

Out of the eight sub-species of tiger that roamed the earth's jungles and forests 60 years ago, the Bali tiger, the Caspian tiger and the Javan tiger are now extinct, while less than 20 South China tigers remain.

"Across its range, this magnificent animal is being poisoned, electrocuted, blown up by land mines, trapped, snared, shot and captured," according to global conservation organization, the WWF.

http://story.news.ya...rs_041127005644
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