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#4501 donquijote

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Posted 28 November 2004 - 04:32 PM

Well, NOT ALL HUMANS ARE PREDATORS. Actually it may only be a minority who are, so we must isolate them, punish them--and remove them from power where applicable.

This man wants to save the snail against man-made pollution. Perhaps this is the kind of people we need in power...;)

At One With the Snails

Sat Oct 30, 7:55 AM ET Top Stories - Los Angeles Times

By P.J. Huffstutter Times Staff Writer

PROTEM, Mo.-- More than 170 feet below the surface, Tom Aley feels his way through a pitch-black cave, searching for a blind snail no bigger than a grain of sand.

The air is dank and cold. Aley squeezes his 6-foot-3, 195-pound frame through a gap in the stone just wider than his thighs. Far ahead, he can hear the faint sound of water trickling through the cave, which stretches out for two miles. It's the underground creek that winds through Tumbling Creek Cave, buried deep in the lush rolling hills of southwest Missouri.

Along the creek, inside this cave he owns, Aley discovered what has become his obsession: the snail called Antrobia culveri.

There is nothing else like it-- it is the only species in its genus and so far, it has been seen only in this cave.

About 15,000 Antrobia culveri once flourished here. Today, fewer than 150 are left: Runoff from overgrazed pastures has washed sediment and pollution into the creek's once icy clear waters, and is thought to have killed off nearly all the snails.

Aley's attempts to keep this seemingly insignificant creature alive destroyed his first marriage, cost him $1.4 million and consumed 38 years of his life. The dwindling snail population exasperates him --he sees it as a personal failure-- but Aley refuses to stop.

http://story.news.ya...newiththesnails
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:00 PM

theres another example of thoughtless Europeans who care about nothing but money as they destroy the world. Good to see PapaNui giving us a break.
I recall a story some time ago of a NZ women who took on the
concern of the desert encroaching on good land in Libya and
managed to plant out substantial areas of trees that stopped the desert which somehow didnt seem to bother the govt but she could see what it was doing to peoples lives and land.
Similar a family in NZ whos father when young and single had worked on a Commonwealth project funded by NZ donations that created a water sourse for a village in Pakistan I think it was,
have gone back and restored it as it had never been maintained or repaired by the govt which didnt care about outlying areas where people are poorer and they had lost their good water sourse.
There are millions of non-Europeans living in European countries,
but I have yet to hear of one of them doing something for the
environment, nature, any social problem etc, and they are all over the place if one looks, they are all busy chasing afluence, yet Europeans are supposed to be the the bad people who only care about afluence and neglect the natural world.
Same as when you see photos in the news of big protests against
global meetings over the raping of the planet, its nearly all white faces.
Getting back to Papa Nui story, there used to be a large flightless bird like an ostrich in NZ before the Europeans arrived but got eaten out by the natives. In spite of NZ being are large as the British Isles the Papa Nui story is much the same as in terms of
conflicts over resourses, fueds, slavery and canabalism. And
Europeans spoilt this beautiful world with their "civilisation".
ITs amazing that all previous civilsations are exempt from accountability/judgement historically except when the Europeans become dominant and todays standards are applied backwards
to when todays standards didnt exist.
There can never be peace when they keep on sewing seeds of racial conflict.
Swop the the Papa Nui statues for highrise corporation buildings like finance houses and we have arrived at today.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 10:32 PM

World is very funny especially when one see the individual digging himself and from his free will, a grave. .
I talk here about Jew minority in Eastern Europe.
They today very actively try to destroy or divide Ukraine.
They are very vocal to put as a president member of nationalist type UPA organization. UPA it was Ukraine fascist organization who in the past supported and joined Hitler .
So in moment of removing Ukraine from Russia influence, Ukraine will support Germany.
I personally doubt if it will be beneficial for Jew or US.
But don
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 11:28 PM

who are the illuminati ? The same people that control the banks, insurance companies, big factories, big real estate.
The same people that control all the mass media in the NATO countries.
The same people that control the major christian churches, including the Vatican, since John XXIII, except for a short month (1).
The same people that are organised as a secret society in a pyramid of secrecy grades. A secret society from which, after the first grades, there's no escape.
- total control of the mass media and schools; MattMarriott http://engforum.prav...?threadid=97481


Today my question is ; When Illuminati start?

When Cleopatra VII ascended the Egyptian throne, she was only seventeen. She reigned as Queen Philopator and Pharaoh between 51 and 30 BC.

The demise of the Ptolemies power coincided with the rise of the Roman Empire.
Having little choice, and seeing city after the other falling into Rome's grip, the Ptolemies decided to ally with the Romans, a pact that lasted for two centuries.
During the rule of the later Ptolemies, Rome gained more and more power over Egypt, and was even declared guardian of the Ptolemaic Dynasty.
Cleopatra's father, Ptolemy XII had to pay tribute to the Romans to keep them away from his Kingdom. Upon his death, the fall of the Dynasty seemed even closer.

As children, Cleopatra and her siblings wittnessed the defeat of their guardian, Pompey, by Julius Caesar in a duel. Meanwhile, Cleopatra and her brother/husband Ptolemy XIII were duelling, , over the throne.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 11:30 PM

In the middle of all this turmoil, Julius Caesar left Rome for Alexandria in 48 BC. During his stay in the Palace, he received the most famous gift in history: an oriental carpet... with a 22 year old Cleopatra wrapped in. She counted on Caesar's support to alienate Ptolemy XIII. With the arrival of Roman reinforcements, and after a few battles in Alexandria, Ptolemy XIII was defeated and killed.

In the summer of 47 BC, having married her younger brother Ptolemy XIV, Cleopatra and Caesar embarked for a two month on a trip along the Nile, aboard a legendary boat. Together, they visited Dendara, where Cleoptara was being worshipped as Pharaoh, an honor beyond Caesar's reach. They became lovers, and indeed, she bore him a son, Caesarion. In 45 BC, Cleopatra and Caesarion left Alexandria for Rome,
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 11:36 PM

Caesar's acts were anything but overlooked by the Romans. In 44 BC, he was killed in a conspiracy by his Senators.
With his death, Rome split between supporters of Mark Antony and Octavian. Cleopatra was watching in silence, and when Mark Antony seemed to prevail, she supported him and, shortly after, they too became lovers. Herod king of Judea advised MarkAnthony to kill Cleopatra.

Mark Antony's alliance with Cleopatra angried Rome even more. The senators called her a sorceress, and accused her of all sorts of evil. The Romans became even more furious as Antony was giving away parts of their Empire - Tarsus, Cyrene, Crete, Cyprus, and Palestine - one after the other to Cleopatra and her children.

It was the boiling point when Octavian declared war on Cleopatra, and off the coast of Greece in the Adriatic Sea they met in one of the most famous battles in history: Actium.
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 11:43 PM

Octavian waited for a year before he claimed Egypt as a Roman province.
He arrived in Alexandria and easily defeated Mark Antony . Antony was asked to be taken to Cleopatra. He died in her arms and was burried as a King.

Ocatvian entered Alexandria in 30 BC. Cleopatra was captured and taken to him, and the Roman Emperor had no interest in any relation, reconciliation, or even negotiation with the Egyptian Queen. Realizing that her end is close, she decided to put an end to her life. Many believe she used an asp as her death instrument.

With the death of Cleopatra, a whole era in Egyptian history was closed.
Alexandria remained capital of Egypt, but Egypt was now a Roman province.
The age of Egyptian Monarchs gave way to the age of Roman Emperors, and Cleopatra's death gave way to the rise of Rome. The Ptolemies were of Macedonian descent, yet they ruled Egypt as Egyptians - as Pharaohs. And, Cleopatra was the last Pharaoh.
http://ce.eng.usf.ed...story/cleo.html

Was it that time when Illuminati start?
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Bader
theres another example of thoughtless Europeans who care about nothing but money as they destroy the world. Good to see PapaNui giving us a break.
I recall a story some time ago of a NZ women who took on the
concern of the desert encroaching on good land in Libya and
managed to plant out substantial areas of trees that stopped the desert which somehow didnt seem to bother the govt but she could see what it was doing to peoples lives and land.
Similar a family in NZ whos father when young and single had worked on a Commonwealth project funded by NZ donations that created a water sourse for a village in Pakistan I think it was,
have gone back and restored it as it had never been maintained or repaired by the govt which didnt care about outlying areas where people are poorer and they had lost their good water sourse.
There are millions of non-Europeans living in European countries,
but I have yet to hear of one of them doing something for the
environment, nature, any social problem etc, and they are all over the place if one looks, they are all busy chasing afluence, yet Europeans are supposed to be the the bad people who only care about afluence and neglect the natural world.
Same as when you see photos in the news of big protests against
global meetings over the raping of the planet, its nearly all white faces.
Getting back to Papa Nui story, there used to be a large flightless bird like an ostrich in NZ before the Europeans arrived but got eaten out by the natives. In spite of NZ being are large as the British Isles the Papa Nui story is much the same as in terms of
conflicts over resourses, fueds, slavery and canabalism. And
Europeans spoilt this beautiful world with their "civilisation".
ITs amazing that all previous civilsations are exempt from accountability/judgement historically except when the Europeans become dominant and todays standards are applied backwards
to when todays standards didnt exist.
There can never be peace when they keep on sewing seeds of racial conflict.
Swop the the Papa Nui statues for highrise corporation buildings like finance houses and we have arrived at today.



Howdy Bader
Well said, all of it. Our highrises are the Moais (gods) of the Easter Island's aborigines. We worship now GOLD, everything else is the same...;)
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 09:03 AM

We have been over this previously Woj.

May the first 1776, (a year important to the USA founding.) in Barvaria.
A year later Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit Priest, the founder joined the Freemasons and started his infiltration scheme.
The forerunner to the Freemasons was the Knights Templers
which like the Jesuits were formed in the shade of the Roman Catholic Church, .
I think last time I gathered some information it included the relationship between Weishaupt and the Rothschilds.
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:03 AM

> > I thought you were anti-immigrant, but I didn't get the point about
> > inferior Finns. Well, for those who are anti-immigrant, they must
> > realize we got something in common in fixing the problems of the
> > Thirld World...
>
> 20% unemployed (defacto) and they say we "urgently" need more people.
> According to CEO of Nokia those (unemployed) are of inferior quality
> (inspite of high education) and we need to give tax-breaks those
> educated foreigners that are willing to move to Finland.

It sounds to me like Saudi Arabia...

What is good for GM...is bad for the American people, in light of so
many SUVs out there polluting and threatening others on the road.
Perhaps the same for Nokia?

Anyway if you got such unemployment, isn't it time cut down the
workweek?

>
> > Scandinavia went from being a poor emigrant place to a rich immigran
> > place. Sweden studied America in order to learn what to do--and what
> > not to do--in the 1920's and by the 30's it was already a model.
>
> Please. Sweden did not start mass-immigration until 1960. Wages were
> 3 times higher than in Finland (I was there -- as a summer-timer
> immigrant laborer). Downhill ever since, now Sweden is poorer than
> Finland with appaling third-world problems.

Well, the problem in Finland seems to have more to do with
globalization than with immigration. Sweden is another story, which
may prove the failure of socialism with people who don't share the
values (immigrants). I'd chose neither route: neither socialism nor
globalization, but ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY (mostly through competition from
coops), providing more employment with fewer hours and cutting down
welfare. Of course, those policies must be implemented first and
foremost in the countries that feed the immigrants to Scandinavia.

Scandinavia has its own system based on low corruption and high taxes
that may work best for them. At least it can't be called a jungle, and
it's #1 in most world rankings. For one the hordes of homeless, the
crime, the dilapidation you find in America are not found there...
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Bader
We have been over this previously Woj.

May the first 1776, (a year important to the USA founding.) in Barvaria.
A year later Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit Priest, the founder joined the Freemasons and started his infiltration scheme.
The forerunner to the Freemasons was the Knights Templers
which like the Jesuits were formed in the shade of the Roman Catholic Church, .
I think last time I gathered some information it included the relationship between Weishaupt and the Rothschilds.



This is yet to explain how the Jesuits built the Guarani Missions in Misiones, Argentina, that were so sucessful in challenging the lion (they worked only 6hours back then) that they were crushed. Is that why they were crushed under the blind eye of the Church?:confused:
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:17 PM

Originally posted by donquijote
[BWell, the problem in Finland seems to have more to do with
globalization than with immigration. [/B]



Kibbutz in Finland for Illuminati this is ta solution. .
They started in Bavaria and will finish in Finland.
Didn
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:26 PM

This Day in History 1947: United Nations resolution for the partition of Palestine
When a conference called in London in February 1947 failed to resolve the impasse surrounding provincial autonomy for Arabs and Jews, Great Britain
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Bader
May the first 1776, (a year important to the USA founding.) in Barvaria.
A year later Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit Priest, the founder joined the Freemasons and started his infiltration scheme.
The forerunner to the Freemasons was the Knights Templers
which like the Jesuits were formed in the shade of the Roman Catholic Church, .
I think last time I gathered some information it included the relationship between Weishaupt and the Rothschilds.]



I will set the stating Illuminati date with king Herod.
Herod was Roman-appointed king of Judaea (born 73 BC died 4 BC, Jericho, Judaea).
Heeod advised Mark Antony to Kill Egiptian Queen Cleopatra and he was the centre of political intrigues.
The New Testament portrays him as a tyrant, into whose kingdom Jesus of Nazareth was born. :D
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 02:42 PM

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov reported to President Vladimir Putin on Monday that Russia has successfully test-launched an anti-missile system in Kazakhstan, http://www.xinhuanet...lish/index.htm:)
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 02:45 PM

Originally posted by woj1@cyberonic.
Kibbutz in Finland for Illuminati this is ta solution. .
They started in Bavaria and will finish in Finland.
Didn-t Finnish supporter Hitler?
Illuminati on the top, but this time on North Pole.
Shoveling North Pole from snow would give Illuminati the eternal and prominent vocation. :)



So Finnish-Nokia lion, king of the globalization jungle, proposing to bring immigrants while there's 20% unemployment pleases you...

Do you have in mind emigrating there?;)
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 03:09 PM

Originally posted by donquijote


Do you have in mind emigrating there?;)



Besides Sauna and Lahti- the skis resort - I don
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 02:04 AM

> > > > What else is an idiot to believe, that leaders of the world care about
> > > > the environment any more than their petty wars? :(
> > >
> > > Petty wars? Well maybe the war of Jenkins ear but I don't think that
> happens
> > > anymore.
> >
> > petty: Marked by narrowness of mind, ideas, or views.
> >
>
> So an opposite point of view or ideology is petty? Boy, you'll fit right in
> here :-)

Petty wars occur when the real motives of a war are faked, so to hide the fact that they remain good old-fashioned plundering and pillaging.

'I typed this message espically on a japanese keyboard because quite frankly it sickened me the other day whilst in my hotel room i turned on the T.V (thats not the only revelation) but it sicken me to what i heard and I can say this until the cows come home The 2nd Gulf War is nothing compared to vietnam and that is what sickened me i may not be a racist or politican but i am a patriot and i respect my own and my allies countries and the fact that a "petty war over oil" can be compared to the sheer horror of vietnam and i want to close by saying that it is un4exceptable and that this is the kind of slander that needs to go from our lives not violent films etc.

I just want to display my point of view.'
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 06:51 AM

It looks like people from poorer nations target those counties with
good social policy, like flies following their nose. Looks like the UN wants every nation to become bogged down in social and racial problems. Bit like the case where certain fireman have become arsonists to promote their emplyment and importance.

The starting point of illuminism:

According to a book I have, written by two Masons, who claimed that under King Herods temple was a another temple which was
copied in the building of a freemason hall in Scotland and may well be a model that has been copied all over the world.
The Crusades ( under the influence of the Knights templers) could have been principlly about capturing Jerusalem for the purpose of search and escavating of occultic 'treasures' which would be then used as previously by those involved in the secret societies.
I think you will find that the line goes from Babylon to Egypt and
from Egypt to Jerusalem and Greece, and from Greece to Rome.
There was also suposed to have been a secret temple/chamber under the sphinx, this may have been the one the Jerusalem one was modelled on.
So ancient Babylon could be said to have never died. I expect that weishaupt was actually making a revival of something long 'lost'. Thus you are probably right WOJ in not accepting that it actually began in 1776. The authors of the book also referred to ancient powerful knowledge once known within the society but somehow 'lost' and there obviously was a search going on which I guess fits the theme story of the search for the Holy Grail, an English version of the same. King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table may have been an English faction that was trying likewise to connect with the past. I have never done any reading on them.
THis is why I previously said after the plundering of the Bagdad
museum that it was probably some interest after select items which if put together with others in a seance hoping to create a 'breakthrough'. I would expect that certain artifacts held by the vatican could raise quite a eyebrows around the world.
I guess we will never know what items 'found' by British
archaologists in Egypt and the Middle East when they ruled there that never got to the British museum but to certain Freemason
lodges.
I came across some information recently which showed that a Bishop in Alexandria was appointed to Rome and he took the
Pontifex Maximus title with him from Perganon in Asia Minor.

Perganon was apparently an illustrious city and referred to in Revelations as "the seat of Satan". It was to Perganon where the priest system of Babylon fled when they were conquered by the Persians. There was an obligation attached to taking the title, but I cant remember if he had to also become King or claim to be god. This may be how the title of Caesar arose and the origin of "Czar", "Shar" etc. Later the Bishop of Rome took it over after the fall of pagan Rome.
The Pope of course claims to be the rep of God on earth. Thwe historical record does nopt support their claim Peter was the first Pope (Bishop of Rome) and it is clear in black and white that Peter was an Apostle to the Jews. Paul was the Apostle first appointed to the gentiles and went to Rome. This is on a par with Bushs claims on Iraq. Its incredible how they get away with it.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 07:14 AM

There is a British and American Business Round Table. There is also one in NZ and probably elsewhere. Members are corporate types and promote economic/political ideology that suits corporatism and the free market. The freemaisnt just economics its an ideology that is intended to change culture as well abd in this it is a revolution in that it is about permanent change of society/ a cut-off from the past, past beliefs and values etc.

I dont know where they started but one wonders if the Knights of the Round Table are their ancient model and maybe they are all Masons. But in 1919 they held a meeting in Paris and formed the Royal Institute of International Affairs in Britain and the
Commettee on Foreign Relations in the US which go way beyond business interests and global as well.
Little wonder govts around the world are all subject to informal
global regimes.
The ensignia of the CFR is a naked man on a horse giving the ant-christ salute, which both Bush and Clinton I think is was who have been photographed giving that salute in public.
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